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The personal details of English Defence League supporters have been stolen in a hacking attack on its website, it was reported today. The far-right group's leadership emailed members in recent days to warn them of the breach, the Daily Telegraph reports. "As you may have become aware the English Defence League clothing site …

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  1. TeeCee Gold badge
    Coat

    "....items from the clothing site."

    Let me guess, a natty line in black shirts......right?

    1. Loyal Commenter Silver badge
      Troll

      I Call Godwin!

      Possibly on the first post in this thread, if only it had referred to brown shirts...

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Black Helicopters

    No such thing as coincidence

    This is becoming a bit sinister.

  3. Ian McNee
    Coat

    As we all know...

    ...the EDL is not a collection worthless racist thugs and there will be no correlation between their current membership list and that leaked from the BNP in 2008. As if!

    Mine's the one with the swastika armband and a copy of the Daily Mail in the pocket.

    1. Giles Jones Gold badge

      EDL

      EDL were formed by a football hooligan.

      I guess he was missing the violence and thought of a way to carry out some violence without involving football.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        @Giles Jones

        >EDL were formed by a football hooligan

        What's your point?

        The early years of Amnesty International were formed (note: not founded) by an ex-Chief of Staff of the IRA. So I guess it's just an organization for protecting the rights of terrorists:

        Or possibly past associatons can't always be relied upon to predict future behaviour.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    WTF?

    The strange thing is....

    The violence at EDL demostrations , only seems to have when the Unite Against Fascism, whats even stranger , is that when the press mention who gets arrested, if its an EDL person thats noted, otherwise its just a number of arrests.

    Ah well nothing like unbiased media.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      FAIL

      Suggestion for your next subscription

      After the EDL please also join the ELDL (English Language Defence League).

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Happy

      Your English is terrible.

      I will not defend it.

    3. Richard North

      Veiled threat?

      So, Mr Astroturfer, what you're saying is that if nobody opposes you nobody needs be hurt?

      Thought so.

    4. Shakje
      Thumb Down

      Even stranger...

      that all the BNP nutjobs ome out of the closet and post their rubbish on here. This is a place of, generally, intelligent, well-educated people. The only thing you achieve by posting your paranoid bollocks is to give the general readership a good lunch-time laugh.

      1. Not That Andrew
        Joke

        @Shakje: Strangest of all...

        Is that you think the usual commentards around here are "intelligent, well-educated people." You haven't been here long, have you?

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Flame

      You are Richard Littlejohn

      and I claim my five pounds

    6. MonkeyBot
      FAIL

      Defence?

      I'd have preferred you to defend my council tax by staying at home the other week.

      Although, I did find it amusing that the march started at the football ground and ended a few hudred yards later at the magistrate courts.

      1. nichomach
        Thumb Up

        Plus 1

        They weren't wanted in our neck of the woods either; generally we have pretty good relations here. Despicable bunch of thugs.

    7. Anonymous Coward
      Big Brother

      The lessons of history...

      Obviously, this guy has never heard of Cable Street.

    8. Dazed and Confused

      Any excuse for a riot

      I remember sitting in a pub back in the 70s when there were a series of riots between the NF and the Anti Nazi League. The table just behind was full of a group of Yoooofs who were discussing which side they were going on for the next days planned riot. They were debating which side would give them the best chance of giving a few Coppers a good kicking. Politics is immaterial to some people, they just want an excuse for a fight.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    HAR, HAR!

    That is all.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I wonder where the list will get posted

    now that wikileaks/anonymouse are busy picking fights with everyone they can.

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
      Grenade

      Probably

      ...to a TSA recruitment site.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      WTF?

      wat

      I'm looking really hard for some relevance in your comment but....

      Anyone?

  7. Arnold Lieberman

    They're both scum

    I've no time for either the EDL/BNP or their leftie counterparts in the ANL, they're all the same really, all just out looking for a fight. When I were at Uni in the early 90s, I got really fed up with tossers from the Socialist Workers Riot Division causing mayhem, giving the BNP etc. loads of ammo to use against the other (peaceful) anti-fascist organisations. Should have kept those copies of Searchlight...

    1. Suboptimal Planet

      Right wing?

      Not sure about the EDL, but there's nothing "right wing" about the BNP.

      They are National *Socialists*, who like the idea of a big state that meddles in economic matters, supposedly in support of British Workers.

      1. Noviz
        Headmaster

        Hmmmmmm

        Erm you obviously never took a history lesson. Look at the Nazis in Germany. The NSDAP were originally socialists but look at where they ended up...

        The BNP is really not a stones throw away from the beginnings of the NSDAP tbh.

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      3. Magnus_Pym

        What ever I say I am. That is what I am not

        Democratic Republic of Germany, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, National Socialists, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Peoples Republic of China. Need I go on.

        If a leadership feels the need to state a political or cultural belief in the title of their organisation it probably means that is what they want people to think despite the glaring inconsistencies in their actions.

      4. Suboptimal Planet

        The BNP's socialist manifesto

        Here are some snippets from the BNP's 2010 manifesto:

        - The BNP will ensure that the National Health Service is used to serve British people and not used as an International Health Service.

        - The BNP will reverse the budget cuts on education and prioritise this sector as vital to the rebuilding of our nation.

        - The BNP will offer free university education to deserving students who have completed their period of Community Service.

        - The BNP will make rail travel affordable once again by reversing the disastrous privatisation process which has grossly inflated ticket prices.

        - The BNP would take some of these savings and invest them in rebuilding British industry and skills through an active protectionist policy as many other European nations already do.

        - The BNP will therefore introduce legislation to ensure that a foreign acquisition of any significantly-sized British company is judged to be in the public and national interest before it can proceed.

        - The BNP will oppose the privatisation of natural monopolies such as Royal Mail.

        - The BNP will reinvigorate the IT sector in Britain with massive investments in technology universities.

        - The BNP will institute a policy of protectionism for the local IT industry and jobs.

        - The BNP will nationalise the telecoms infrastructure to enable the creation of a not-for-profit 100Mbps broadband service across the country.

        To be honest, their manifesto is a bit of a handbag of unrealistic populist policies (including 200mph maglev trains). Not all of it is socialist, and some of it is sensible, but it's clear that they believe in a big, redistributive, interfering state. They favour protectionism, nationalisation, and welfare (for those who meet their definition of British), rather than free trade, privatisation, self reliance, and genuine charity.

        To characterise the BNP as "far right", as if they are a little bit further along Lady Thatcher's road, is grossly misleading. They have a lot more in common with Old Labour.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    I expect the site site will be down for a while

    "The EDL would like to apologise for this security leak. The leadership is doing everything they can to understand how this occurred so it can never happen again." - no time soon then

  9. Elmer Phud
    Pint

    Foreign Invasion - No Defence?

    It's all down to a combined attack by Commies, Eastern Europeans, Africans, Indians, Pakistanis, Students, the entire Musilm faith, Jews (just in case) etc. etc.

    And has nothing to do with the coincidence that the English Defence League has no defence against invaders.

    I have a head filled with snot and a raging temperature but this has made my Christmas for me.

    Santa (foreign bastard that he is) has come early.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    "far-right" is a lazy piece of journalism

    "Far-right" really doesn't mean anything. It's shorthand for "polite people don't share these views, and while we're at it why not smear the Tories, UKIP, and all for being on the right and therefore a bit like far-right-lite".

    Call a spade a spade, but don't just parrot this nonsense, please.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Sir,

      I think what you mean to say is that "Far-right" doesn't mean anything *to you* which, in my ever so humble opinion, is a problem with you and not the rest of us who know very well what "Far-right" means.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        FAIL

        of course its meaningless

        @Lee

        "Far right" is invoked to denote extreme libertarianism - small state, deregulation, open borders but no benefits etc.

        "Far right" is also invoked to denote heavy regulation (generally based on some notion of 'race'), and all the very interventionist policies of the BNP.

        The term means contradictory things, ergo, it means nothing.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          What?

          far right used to denote "small state, deregulation, open borders but no benefits"? In some parallel universe perhaps. Centre right is closer to what you define but absolutely no group defined as "far right" matches that description.

          It may mean nothing to you, but that is simply because you have invented your own definition in order to [erroneously] prove logical fallacy and therefore claim whatever you wish.

          "Far right - you keep using tha' word. I no think it meens wha' you think it meens"*

          *With apologies to Mandy Patinkin

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      right and left

      Right and Left are pretty poor descriptors now days.

      When people use them they attach differing concepts depending upon their own view point.

      Those who idealise the "left" believe it represents wealth redistribution, civil liberties and, fairness.

      Those who idealise the "left" then in turn believe that the "right" stand for "stamping on the little guy", fascism and, injustice.

      Those who idealise the "right" believe it represents self improvement, civil liberties and, fairness.

      Whilst viewing the "left" as "Inspiring people to be dependent upon the state", authoritarianism and, state control.

      Both try to cling to either a redistributive economy (those who earn the most pay a higher level back while those who earn the least receive additional benefits) and on the other side a view that reducing redistributive burden leads to greater growth and opportunity (somewhere like Hong Kong).

      It is of course nonsense, on both sides.

      The old compass is a better way of really getting to grips with these things (liberal/authoritarian and free-market/managed economy) Though it could probably do with a 3rd scale... something around traditionalism maybe.

      If you look at immigration, a supporter of free market economies would be all for it as it increases the potential labour pool and adds consumers.

      While a supporter of a managed economy would be against immigration as you need to find somewhere to make use of the additional man power and it means more mouths to feed.

      People on the "far right" actually tend to be authoritarian left, as they believe in jobs for everyone of the correct colour (managed economy) they also tend to be strong believers in state control. State control is of course easier in a managed economy. The more GDP the state controls the more power they have over the population (as they employ more people, take a greater wedge of your earnings, possibly own your home/power supply/etc.)

      Not that there are no authoritarian right, it's just more complicated, basically it only makes sense if you're rich.

      Not that extreme authoritarians are blessed with much sense.

      1. Suboptimal Planet

        Left and Right: The Prospects for Liberty

        <i>"Right and Left are pretty poor descriptors now days."</i>

        I agree wholeheartedly.

        The history is complicated, and Rothbard's 1965 essay "Left and Right: The Prospects for Liberty" makes interesting reading.

        http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard33.html

        We'd be better off avoiding these terms altogether, but we must loudly protest against suggestions (either careless or cynical) that right-wing Conservatives and libertarians are in any way supportive of fascism. On the contrary, we believe that the state should never have that kind of power.

        Daniel Hannan highlighted a particularly bad case of it on Sunday:

        "On Radio 5 live yesterday, David Baddiel described the Freedom Association, a libertarian campaign which, in the 1970s and 1980s, led the battle against the trade union closed shop, as being “a very, very right-wing, kind of sub-BNP, slightly posher version of the BNP organisation”."

        http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100068889/bbc-the-freedom-association-is-a-kind-of-sub-bnp/

  11. nichomach
    Happy

    Couldn't have happened...

    ...to a more deserving bunch of fascists; I hope that it provides yet another tidbit for WL to post.

  12. MattWPBS

    Looking forward to...

    Cross match of this to the BNP list. Anyone want to guess at crossover percentages?

  13. Cazzo Enorme

    How about ...

    ... someone publishing the ANL membership list as well.

    A few years ago I got caught in the middle of a fight between ANL and BNP thugs as I made my way home from work. This was close to Waterloo station in London, and something to do with a gig nearby featuring a skinhead band from what I understand, Take away the different badges each side wore, and you wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between them - I came close to being belted round the head by one ANL'er who accused me of being a neo-Nazi because I was wearing a leather jacket. Twat.

  14. Mark Olleson
    Thumb Up

    A perfect opportunity for the police...

    To get a look at the membership list themselves.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      re: A perfect opportunity for the police

      To see how many of their mates are on it?

  15. multipharious

    Now that they have the names...

    Did anyone ever read the book "Porno" by Irvine Welsh? One of Simon "Sick Boy's" scams involved nabbing the names and account numbers of a football fan club. The re-use of very obvious passwords/PINs were the key to the scam...well...ahem...one of the keys to the scam.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Police are investigating"

    Yes, I'm sure the police are leaving no stone unturned to find out how hack the website of the same thugs that were throwing bricks at them a short while ago. One word with regards to the stolen names...Wikeleaks!

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Now...

    ...if someone would leak the Tea Party members details, they're pretty much the same thing.

  18. Anotheroneforthewaspfactory

    Hang on

    Am i the only one who thinks that its a bit odd and quite funny that such an odious organisation has a clothing line? (their clothing site was hacked/whatever). What's on their rack; camo trousers, camo jacket and balaclava, one size fits all?

  19. Anotheroneforthewaspfactory
    Joke

    hang on 2

    As their clothing site got hacked I just had a thought for a new Gok Wan show:

    How to Look Good Racist.

    HA HA HA

    (I just can't see beyond the absurd world we live in that the EDL have a clothing site. Clothes about/from the EDL. Who buy's that stuff? Who is stupid enough to buy that stuff from the EDL website?)

    1. Just Thinking

      That is funny on so many levels

      Well actually only on one level, racist sounds a bit like naked.

      But still very funny.

  20. Is it me?

    Now there is a picture I didn't need

    A thug dressed by Gok Wan.

  21. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    EDL

    shit - I think i switched my electricity supplier to them

    1. Alan Bourke
      Thumb Up

      Even better

      than when I heard it on The Now Show.

  22. veryconcerned
    Badgers

    Please take note

    Can people please STOP referring to this list as a membership list. Last week my workplace began receiving hate mail because I am supposed to be a member of the English Defence League. i had to look them up to find out who they are. After checking through all my accounts I eventually found a one pound paypal donation. I believe but can't be certain that this was from a support the troops button linked to a story about a poppy burning protest.

    Clearly I am STUPID but I'm not a fascist. Whoever is sending out these emails. Can they pack it in before their mother finds out.

    .In the meantime I shall be asking paypal for my pound and asking why they hand out shipping addresses to what appears to be a charitable donation.

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