It's hard enough
It's hard enough to suspend disbelief that episode 1 is a good film. '3D' will make it impossible.
Lucasfilm has finally announced that all six Star Wars films will get the 3D treatment, starting with Episode I: The Phantom Menace, due to hit tridimensional screens in 2012. John Knoll, visual effects supervisor at Lucasfilm's Industrial Light & Magic, insisted he's "committed to ensuring that the 3D conversion delivers …
It's hard enough to suspend disbelief that episode 1 is a good film. '3D' will make it impossible.
/mines the long black one
there's still life in the old milking cow.
Paris, 'cause she's partial to the odd milking.
So will the 3D version actually just be the 2D version with some superimposed flies buzzing around in the foreground?
I watched Avitar in 3D because my misses wanted to. I watched Resident Evil in 3D because there was no 2D. I've watched 3D videos before, and they are impressive, but 3D films just seem to be hollywood wanting to stamp 3D all over it.
The whole fight between the robots and Jar Jar's people is pure CGI, so easy enough to re-render in 3D.
The classic ones will be harder, unless they filmed the original scenes in stereo vision. They can re-do the space battles and the walkers, but the pub scene in 4 won't benefit much, unless they use your fly example.
There is a lot of crap out there being marketed under the 3D banner but turning out to be a pile of crap (eg The Hole)
Adding 3D is just another way of turd polishing. No mater how good a shine, its still a turd.
...makes some forms of piracy harder. But other than that, it's headache-inducing shit.
As they say "If you can't make a good movie, make it 3D".
If you're talking about people who take video cameras into the cinema, surely the only change they'd need to make is to stick a polarising filter over the camera lens. Given that they hand out these filters to everyone who goes to such movies, this can't be much of an expense.
If they have to do this shit to Star Wars, best to start at the beginning and Do Ep4 first. Who the feck wants to see a Naboo fighter in 3D when Star Wars 3D should be all about X-Wings and TIE Fighters? And they're more likely to raise money with a 3D Ep4 than Ep1. I suppose as long as they cover the 3D'ing costs, the second will follow on, and by the time they get to Ep4 the process will be polished...
The problem with 3D'ing a 2D movie is that it looks like several layers of 2D images at different depths, rather than a 3D image. How are they going to get around that?
I reckon the main reason for rehashing I-III first is precisely because it's hard to 3D an already 2D live action film. Episodes I-III are pretty much entirely green screen with no real stage to convert. 2D actors in a 3D virtual stage is probably quite easy to achieve - we don't tend to perceive minor differences in Z-depth that people would produce.
Agreement there is. Pile of steaming space-ostrich crap redemption by addition of 3rd "D" not possible is.
Suggestion: Start by removing all the "improved" footage from Star Wars (no part, no subtitle), then reprocess to enhance into a 3D version of that.
Or better still, don't bother. Just use the money to make something original and watchable, and hire someone who knows how to write dialogue this time.
I called this back in August!
Beer. For me, not for Lucas.
Why would they try and measure success by using the worst and most disliked movie in the series to test it.
Also, I can't wait to see what the next excuse will be to rehash Star Wars.
If the worst movie drags people to the box office the other ones will be sure-fire winners for them. Lucas is probably bank-rolling this one himself, but if it works he'll be beating investors off with the proverbial sh*tty stick for the others.
Next excuse for a rehash will probably be the digital download version, but that will have to wait until the current format wars settle down first, at the moment each service and format is pretty much tied to one supplier.
The Star Wars franchise is to video what the Beatles franchise is to audio - you can be fairly sure you'll see it on any new format once the format is sufficiently established.
...Worst film? Surely not.
Lucas's love scenes from episode 2 and the wonderfully designed costumes that look only valugly OK when ripped lots... they win the crown for the next one.
Unless hordes of folk turn up for the first one, they will have nearly no one show for the 2nd.
The last word says it all
I think I would rather clean Jabba the Hut's toilet bowl than pay good money to see The Phantom Menace at the cinema again, 3D or otherwise. I'll wait until 2014 when the second trilogy will likely rock up.
Yoda's childhood pod-racing, maybe?
I have to say, before I clicked on the link, I had assumed it was ep. 4 that they were putting on 3D first. My mouth was agape in 1977 (I was only 16) when that opening shot of a federation battle cruiser closing on Leia's ship occurred. That, in 3D could be good. Really not sure about putting the earlier episodes (later films) is at all a good thing.
Federation battle cruiser?
Surely ye mean Imperial Star Destroyer, not? :)
Getting your memes crossed another rebellion against a dictatorial regime?
Blake's 7 was 6 months later.
That said, the only thing the Star Destroyer needed was a really big screen - things that of gone out of fashion with multiplexes, I fear.
Down and safe....
... is a smart decision. If they started with the best and people felt it wasn't worth it, they wouldn't go to see any of the subsequent ones.
A bad movie in 3D is still a bad movie. I really, really wish Lucas had stopped with the original trilogy, which is a true classic. The Phantom Menace was barely watchable (the worst thing is, it destroyed the majesty of The Force by the inane midichlorian explanation), and its successors went steadily downhill from there.
But at least the Na'vi weren't JarJar Binks.
Who cares about the Star Wars Menace in 3D?
What I want is the Pinchcliffe Grand Prix in 3D.
(Now THERE's a movie with proper race scenes, not some silly pods wobbling about)
Well, that looks like six films to avoid next year...
Make the 3d version of the The Phantom Edit or the Phantom re-Edit or whatever they were called. I'm fairly sure there was a poll that quite favoured them over the original mostly due to removing Jar Jar Binks and other tat.
God help us all. If this is anything like any of the other 3D movies I've seen it'll be a complete waste of time.
Just bring us a decent HD remastered set of the movies and leave it that eh?
>I expect this to be as much fun for people that have not experienced Star Wars as it was for people who were there in 1977 staring at the screen with mouth agape.<
Except, it won't be the star wars released in '77 but the crappy trilogy that came after the seminal original films. So assuming two years between releases that means 2018 before 'A new hope' gets 3D'ised. Also, that frenetic flight thru the city and the later pod race will be vomit inducing in 3D - unless all the CGI shots (ie 98% of the film) are going to be redone.
Southpark kids crying over how Spielberg and Lucas raped Indiana Jones - lol.
But is is the first film in the series. Or the fourth, depending on how you regard it.
Like a lot of geeky parents, I am still torn as to whether to show my offspring the films in the "Episode IV, V, VI, I, II, III" or "I, II, III, IV, V, VI" order. I'm actually warming to the idea of just going with IV, V and VI and pretending that the other three films don't exist.. just in the same way that they never made a sequel to The Matrix, and there are only two films in the Alien series..
only two, maybe three Terminator movies, depending on your PoV of T IV
I am in the same boat as you are. My son isn't 1 year old yet, so I have time before he'll watch those movies, but I already did a bit of research into it. Someone online suggested the following order:
A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith
Return of the Jedi
Doing it in (movie) chronological order spoils the fun (you know about Luke & Leia being siblings, that midichlorians are the source of the force, etc). Doing it in (release) chronological order hurts all over as you know well. The order above seems to be a nice compromise.
"only two, maybe three Terminator movies, depending on your PoV of T IV"
TWO! There were only ever TWO Terminator movies. God help anyone in my vicinity who tries to claim otherwise.
When you start making gay/wonderbra jokes with walking killing machines, you have officially fucked up the franchise.
Why does George L keep abusing us?? I await the digitally remastered version with the entire cast digitally replaced by Ewoks.
Having just watched the new one's again it's just shocking how useless drab flat and unimaginative they are. Will 3D make any difference?
still one good thing to come of this garbage was the following which are more entertaining than the film's ever could be.
Why? Why? Why?
Well, other than the money of course.
Phantom Menace the worst? Not by a long shot. That's got to go to Attack of the Clones, which - while some of the battle scenes were good, and the Obi-Wan/Jango Fett story line was excellent, was dragged into the realms of the dreadful by the tawdry and turgid "love scenes" between Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman.
In fact, on much the same grounds, I would say that Revenge of the Sith is a credible candidate for second-worst. By contrast, The Phantom Menace has the least overplayed acting, and the best relationships between the characters of the prequels.
Accordingly, The Phantom Menace - which is a proper kids' movie - is only the third worst.
And I wonder how long those of us who enjoyed the Star Wars movies AS children will continue to cling onto the notion that they're the very best of all time, in consideration of the fact that there are better movies coming out of studios like Pixar. George Lucas has made a biblical quantity of money through the marketing of rose tinted glasses.
Milk milk Mr Lucas
...as long as the effects in the older 3 films are updated to match the recent 3.
3d really sucks, and the studios are just using 3d as a way to justify huge price hikes and eventually a way to force us all yet again to replace all our audio/video equipment and repurchase all our media by blocking what we already own.
oo 3d star wars, when is the 3d special edition, & 3d directors cut going to be released fu***ng corporate c**ts double, triple, quadruple dipping.............
the 3D movies ive seen so far are more concerned with elongated scenes that are put there to exaggerate the effects of 3D & have ruined the flow of the films, im not buying into that thanks MPAA (Sony, Disney, Fox(News Corp), Warner, Universal).
3D will be short lived with a peaceful lull back to normal 2D until the next 3D technology comes along and it all starts up again.
Personally I find the "wow" factor only in the first 10 minutes of a 3D film. After that my brain settles down and there's no more wow, my brain is focused on the story. As one of my eyes is slightly lazy I find 3D films a bit blurry compared to normal 2D.
I will not be going out to see any 3D Star Wars films. Can't Lucas use his money to instead write and produce Episode VII? Surely there is room for another story?
Leave it alone! Stop breaking it you muppet!
'people who were there in 1977 staring at the screen with mouth agape.'
wondering, presumably, how this trite storyline with its many contradictions (advanced weapons you have to target by hand, explosions in space making a noise etc. etc.) could have been considered interesting enough to make a whole series of films out of.
Still, I understand some people like them...
George Lucas has discovered another way of getting even more money out of his Star Wars franchise by re-releasing the same films he's re-released several times before in 3D.
Money grabbing, no more, no less.
Dear god, *another* version of Star Wars? Put down the stick, George - the horse is well and truly dead. Someone really ought to enforce Mr Lucas's retirement - no amount of re-hashing or technology of dubious value can hide the fact that it's been a long time since he's done anything even vaguely decent.
Just. Leave. Them. Alone.
Hasn't Lucas got anything better to do? Why not film the last three instalments? Why not - gasp! - do something new for a change. I want to see the Stainless Steel Rat on screen.
A Stainless Steel Rat film would be most awesome, I loved those books.
As long as they drop the entire Esperanto-push, anyway.
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