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Steve Jobs — no, not the one in Cupertino, the one who blogs — is ditching his iPhone, going Googly, and venting his spleen. "Goodbye, Apple. I'm ditching my iPhone. Seriously, I'm gone," writes Newsweek senior editor Dan Lyons on his Newsweek blog. In his alter ego of "Fake Steve," Lyons also comments on all things Apple on …

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  1. ultranote

    i vs A

    Everything in Apple is about trying to avoid the need to guess how something works whilst Google still has the rtfm stance beneath the lipstick. I doubt engineers inside Google get it, it feels like they could use some industrial designers.

    AT&T is a US problem, Android is still inconsistent. Having Flash compatibility is a joke. Especially on a mobile device. Try it, enjoy the slow mess.

    Then there's this disturbing attitude of Google criticising Apple but copying everything they do, screaming that they are "open" but mostly to put all your data on their servers.

    Actually, Nokia with the N900's Maemo Linux platform has more credibility at openess.

    Apple in denial of Android gaining attention? They know that with all their competitors fighting back using Android, they will have to share the market.

    Android is the most likely to fill the low-end market, share the mid-range market with the biggest fight at the top. Google's lead there is far from certain, outside the IT crowd:

    Apple: ease of use, design, great UI, integration

    vs

    Google: me-too OS, fragmented choice, find-that-buggy-app-yourself

    1. James Billingham

      Flash is fine, got great, but fine

      Why make statements that flash on a mobile is a slow mess? I have a HTC desire and while the framerate of the flash iplayer embeds on the bbc news site are not as fast as on my laptop its very watchable. All flash websites are navigable and perfectly usable -- so its perfectly feasible to use flash on a mobile -and its apparently only a beta so it will get better.=

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    3. MnM

      I should go out in the sunshine

      but cannot before registering that ultranote makes me want to puke.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      FAIL

      @ i vs A

      Apple: Closed. What Steve Says You Need. The Past.

      Google: Open. Choice. The Future.

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      or

      Apple - propriety, locked-in, out of touch & dull

      vs

      Android - flexible, open & way out in front

    6. The Original Steve
      Grenade

      Wrong, wrong... briming over with wrongability

      You simply haven't tried a new high-end Android handset.

      Borrow a HTC Desire and give it a try. Flash runs a dream - I mean so well that you don't realise it's flash on the page you a viewing.

      I think there is a manual for the Desire - think it's only online though. I haven't read it. The navigation is the same as for the iPhone. It's VERY user friendly and people just know how to use it off the bat. No manual required.

      Buggy app...? Yeah, there's loads about. Difference is that I can chose what app to put on my phone, and the PEOPLE judge if it's buggy / acecptable or not... not some faceless non-descript bullshit 'policy' drones. If your app sucks then people uninstall it and rate it as bad.

      Freedom to chose with the occasional buggy one, or being told what you can use by some 3rd party... I know what route I'd take.

      And I'm not sure what data your talking about. My phone only passes search items to Google - nothing else gets sent to them.

      Get your facts right. Android allows installation of any app - not just pre-approved Steve Jobs apps. I have removable storage - so can swap handsets should it fail, perform backups, up my capacity, swap mass quantity of data without cables / bluetooth etc. Whenever I want. I have 5 home screens, can use folders and can completely customise my whole handset to how I want it to be. I carry about a charged spare battery in case I forget to charge my phone 2 nights in a row. I've changed various parts of the system with alternatives as it suits my needs better. I sync my music using a tool / media manager of MY choice, and in the next few months with 2.2 I'll be syncing wirelessly too. I can tether my handset to my PC and surf the web using my 3G connection. When I brought the phone, I could use it straightaway - didn't need to install anything on a PC, or "register" my phone after it was delivered. And some sites use flash that I want to use. I'd rather them use HTML5 of course, but flash runs FINE on the handset.

      So remind me again... why the iPhone with it's "special" plans and overpriced cost?

    7. Tzael
      Grenade

      Re: i vs A

      This isn't really an Apple vs Google thing, is it? Don't answer that, it's intended to be rhetorical.

      It's not about who has the better phone. It's about which phone manufacturer will allow you most freedom to do what you choose, not what they think you should do. It doesn't get any more complicated than that. Both Google and Apple are guilty of forcing features onto their products that work in a contrary or convoluted way compared to what we would expect.

      I think the significant difference between Apple and Google is this: Apple wants to know what everyone is doing and so forces everyone to do it the same way. Google on the other hand wants to know what everyone is doing but instead of forcing everyone to do it the same way they implement loads of obscure ways of monitoring everyone's actions.

      Both Apple and Google are unfortunately two of the worst offenders in terms of forcing an Orwellian society onto us. Big brother tells us what to do and how to do it, and if we don't follow their instructions we get monitored secretly anyhow. Privacy is dying rapidly, and a lot of the blame for that can be placed squarely at Apple and Google's feet. Probably more Google's feet, but just because Apple hasn't been offending us with privacy invasions for as long, doesn't excuse them from following Google's lead. Apple could have retained some principles, but they chose to emulate some of the worst elements of Google.

      They're both as bad as each other in my book nowadays.

    8. rcossebo
      Jobs Halo

      i vs A

      I have to agree with you! If one is not within the IT circle, Android and it's hardware is a mute point. It doesn't have the style the iPhone does, not even the newer HTC submissions.

      If one doesn't know C++ or other languages used in Open Source what good is the Droid? I have to add that there is ONE APP that the Droid has that is awesome and I would love to see on the iPhone; LOCALE! This App blows the iPhone out of the water and is the ONLY reason I'd even think of jumping ship. I have several friends that have Droids that are standard users not the programmer power user type and they say it is ok for what they use it for. They aren't app freaks, so none of the bells and whistles people are shouting about mean anything to them.

      The first submission of the Droid was a little shakey. One of my friends had to take his phone back for a replacement because the OS was glitchy and the hardware non-reponsive. With the new Droid and the old software, he is happy, I'll have to see what he thinks when he upgrades to the newest version of Android.

      So far I'm staying with my iPhone. Waiting and watching since HYPE is merely empty words, I'm in the frame of mind; SHOW ME THE MONEY! Show me WHY the Droid is better than the iPhone with tangible, everyday uses for a regular user NOT a power user who is an IT GEEK and loves to tinker and program for themselves.

      Two different camps, two differnt platforms, two different services (GSM/CDMA) which is better???

      Thanks for your time and input! I look forward to it!

    9. HollyHopDrive
      Linux

      easy tiger

      You can't deny, the iphone has brilliant marketing, like all apple products are very nice to touch and have appealed to a previously unaware audience of how cool technology is.

      But its all a bit like your first car. Yes, you can get some pretty stickers and funky cloth seats, but its still a small car. And there are a lot of people who still love their small cars and will never move on. (and there is nothing wrong with that)

      And I bet most of us started in a small car. Then we discover bigger, faster cars, that come with satnav, air con and a more 'stuff'. Yes, the dash has a few too many buttons, but we grow to love the extra buttons.

      And that is where android fits it. Its not as pretty to look at, but it goes faster than the others, and can be used for more things without a jobsworth telling you what you can and can't use it for.

      I take your point about buggy software, there is some, but those don't tend to last long as the good stuff floats to the top.

      I think you are perhaps feeling a bit hurt by the fact you are stuck with your iphone after jumping up and saying how good it is, and just watched the competition overtake.

      Mine is the one with the HTC g1 in the pocket, and I'm going to use my free google sat nav to get me home :)

      1. Will Leamon

        Not just smartphones.

        The Flash playback on my Samsung Rogue (a 'feature' phone - free with my contract) is just fine as well. It looks like crap in a HT sense but for on the road use it is more than just adequate.

        I don't think one phone will ever really 'rule' the market. People are just too diverse for one phone to really satisfy all needs. I think what we're seeing now though is that the iPhone's crowd once seemed rather large and perhaps dominating. But with the passage of time we're beginning to see that it's not that large after all. Hence that bogus 'larger installed base' line. All that means is "We have saturated the market for our product and our competitor's market is growing."

      2. Kevin Bailey

        You're slightly missing the point RE how OSS works

        'If one doesn't know C++ or other languages used in Open Source what good is the Droid?'

        The point is that because the code is open source *someone* will be able to fix/enhance stuff.

        So - there's a feature that you want or a fix which you need. As the code is available it's highly likely that some talented people somewhere will provide the code.

        Without the code being available you're reliant on the company who supply the software to assign someone to carry out what you want - and them being able to carry it out.

        Also, peer review of OS code keeps the code higher quality - all kinds of bloated chaos is allowed to exist out of sight in closed source companies.

        This why the ms-dos box on Windows 7 *still* can't resize it's width by dragging the border.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          RE: You're slightly missing the point RE how OSS works

          "The point is that because the code is open source *someone* will be able to fix/enhance stuff."

          Or alternatively, find a backdoor and write a virus or worm, then trick users into downloading it.

          "Also, peer review of OS code keeps the code higher quality - all kinds of bloated chaos is allowed to exist out of sight in closed source companies."

          Most of the companies I have worked for have been closed-source.

          We still send finished code to the other devs for peer review...

          "This why the ms-dos box on Windows 7 *still* can't resize it's width by dragging the border."

          Don't try to pick flaws in Microsoft's software. We could all join in and we'd be here all day!

      3. DrXym Silver badge

        @The Original Steve

        I wouldn't say Flash runs "a dream" but it runs and acceptably so. The version in the HTC Desire puts weedy little scrollbars on oversize content and the pinch to zoom is messed up. I also suspect video is software only. If those issues were fixed by integrated Flash in Android 2.2, then Flash will work just great both in the browser and as a platform for apps.

        Even in the HTC implementation it provides ample proof that most of the excuses trotted out by Apple apologists have been wafer thin or nonexistent.

        So far I'm extremely happy with my HTC Desire. It's extremely usable, open, runs Android, supports development out of the box and adheres to standards. I do think that if someone ran objective usability comparison between the Desire and the iPhone that the latter might come out on top but only by a slim margin. Certainly not enough reason to negate its massive disadvantages.

      4. Anonymous Coward
        Happy

        why

        iplayer is fine on iphone, as is tvcatchup, youtoob, etc

        No problem with anyone wanting an android lets not pretend this is a huge improvement for the mobile landscape, and everybody else who has froyo suggests that even on wifi the choppiness is noticeable.

        2.2 looks good as it has 450% speed improvement, but most of this is invisible in standard usage and it seems the whole performance improvements are down to google wanting to get flash working by improving speed elsewhere, but on the nexus one, from people who have tested it:

        "We have to say, it's really something to have a mobile browser that doesn't pop up little cubes with question marks all over the web, but we found that rediscovering Flash was much like reuniting with a high school friend; at first you've so much to catch up on, but then you realize how far you've grown apart. Adobe's pre-vetted list of Flash-enabled sites do a good job of showing off the technology, but we still can't help but think the interactive elements still have a lot of catching up to do. As for video, the stream is good quality but gets fairly choppy -- especially when you check out something "not optimized for mobile viewing." Some of the HTML5 footage we've seen via the same device shows up in crisper detail and fluidity. Battery and heat are also of concern: the pre-release beta we have, according to Adobe, lacks hardware acceleration. Ergo, our beloved handset got piping hot after about 30 minutes of heavy video watching, and the battery indicator in the upper right had a sizable dent."

        In fact this kind of reminds me of the desktop pc world 10 years ago, every year people would buy the latest processor/video card to squeeze an extra 10fps out of their pc. People who think that by having froyo on their hero (just read blog comments and forums), they are gonna gain are deluding themselves.

        to run the full 2.2 experience you are going to need a desire/n1, next year when 2.4 comes out you will need the snapdragon 1.5Ghz processor, etc. This is usually great for the techies (like i was 10 years ago), who want to get the latest device, or overclock, etc, and android will take a decent market %, apple will of course release a phone every year for the latest fanbois, but the differences in hardware will always be much lower.

        Two different target markets, can android pull people with its better browser support/flash support/ui over itunes/appstore/ui?

      5. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        hmmm

        On froyo?

        " trying to get hulu and other sites to play movies fullscreen is an excersize in futility. Same for most of the flash games on kngregate.com"

      6. Anonymous Coward
        Grenade

        Cars

        Another anology might be apple = Skoda, Droid = Cateram

        My Skoda starts every morning, I didn't have to build it myself, it spends more time doing my stuff than me doing stuff to it, it's easier to drive (even though outright performance is down), I don't need to service it myself etc etc.

        Yes I'd love a Cateram too for the odd occasion I'd really want to "drive", but frankly, I'm getting old, and I just want a hassle-free phone at the end of the day. When I leave work, I want my technology to be "transparent", because after a 9-10hr day staring at code and fixing crap for muppets, I want a break.

        Yep, Skoda for me please. And slippers. And a pipe. And a hot chocolate at night before bed. Which is at 9pm. Just call me Ned Flanders.

        Doesn't matter what I say - the mac-haters will only read this as "fanboi material" and vote me down anyway. The Mac-haters are as bad the fanbois, frankly.

        1. James Hughes 1

          Age..

          is not a good reason not to have a Seven.........and they can be used as everyday transport, as long as you don't play golf. (and why would you)

          Oh, were we talking about phones?

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Jobs Horns

          Funny

          I haven't had to 'build' anything for my milestone. It works as it should, everything is straight forward and easily accessible and it worked out of the box with all the functions you expect without having to buy additional apps. As for any extras that I do want, click market, select app, download - wow that was difficult wasn't it.

          I don't program and wouldn't know where to start fixing a buggy app but have never had to. If something is buggy I just rate it as poor and add my comments so other people can read about the problems I had and the developer can either choose to fix it or have nobody use it. Then I uninstall it and pick an appropriate reason from the nice easy screen that asks me why I am uninstalling.

          As for servicing it myself - doesn't happen. It automatically checks for updates then asks me do I want to update if it finds one. It does it all over the air too, I don't need to hook it up to my PC and use the appalling pos that is itunes just to update so that seems much easier to me than the apple way of doing things.

          I haven't had to root my phone in order to install something that isn't in the marketplace either - the nice tick box to allow non-market apps did the job just fine. What is nice is that it trusts me enough to give me the option. I don't need Steve to hold my hand and tell me what I can and can't do - for my own good of course

      7. Simian60
        Headmaster

        i vs A

        Moot, you donkey, moot. Not "mute".

      8. Anonymous Coward
        Jobs Horns

        HYPE is merely empty words

        And yet you still bought an iphone?

        So the Apple marketing team hype an inferior product and it's the best thing ever. It took 3 releases before it could even match the capability of phones that were 5 years older than it.

        Android has been hyped mainly by the people that use it and without a multi million advertising budget and has been tweaked and improved based on user feedback rather than the whims of an almighty overseer who decides what features you can have and when and you don't think that is better?

        Sounds like your still smarting after paying all that cash and then finding out it wasn't quite as good as you were promised by his Jobsness but you have to convince yourself it was worth it.

      9. Anonymous Coward
        Stop

        RE: Flash is fine, got great, but fine

        "Why make statements that flash on a mobile is a slow mess?"

        ...because Flash on a desktop or laptop is a slow mess...?

    10. PaulK
      FAIL

      You iz a fanboi.

      Apple: censored content and no subsidy.

      vs

      Google: Superior OS, open platform, subsidised handsets

    11. Zobbo

      Re: i vs A

      "fragmented choice".

      I will translate for non-Apple people: "choice".

    12. David Simpson 1
      Flame

      iDiot

      iPhones have very publicly reported connection problems on O2 in the UK as well, it was widely reported to be Apples poor hardware implementation of always on internet that was causing 3G network bottlenecks on both AT&AT and O2.

      I especially love your "inconsistent" jibe without any other description, have you ever even used an Android phone ?

      Google is open because I can do whatever I want to Android since it is open source, I can also customise my phone in anyway I want including replacing ANY built in app/software with a 3rd party alternative. If I don't like my HTC I can buy a device from Samsung, Sony Ericsson, Motorola or any of the other multitude of brands offering Android devices.

      Apple is closed because you have one boring UI and layout with no alternative to built in software without jailbreaking, and they even chase jailbreakers like they are criminals. I'm not even trusted to change my own battery !

      You make a good point about Google having people's data on their servers but then doesn't the iPhone use Google search, Google maps and Gmail ? And in fact Apple's whole MobileMe service is run on Google's servers.

      My Hero has had flash lite since launch it runs stuff fine, Steve doesn't want flash because it will kill his App store with FREE apps and games. You also seem completely unaware that Android predates the iPhone, it was first developed by the people behind Danger (sidekick) before being bought by Google. The whole industry has been moving towards mobile for years, LG managed to beat Apple to market with a touchscreen phone and it has more to do with the price of ARM chips and touchscreens dropping than it does any actual R&D innovation on Apple's part.

      Same old arguments as any iDiot so just come back in a year and see what your install base it like then.

    13. Matt Piechota
      Pirate

      RE: i vs. A

      It's what you get used to. This last week I was working with both iPhones (3GS) and a couple Android phones (Hero (1.6), my Moto Droid (2.1), and a Nexus One (2.1)), and I found the iPhone hard to use. Another developer has been working with iPhones all along and found the Android harder to use. Just like it is with Linux vs. OSX vs. Windows, you get to know one and the others become obtuse.

      I'm curious: have you used an Android phone for more than a few minutes? I don't mean that as an indictment, just wondering if you're mistaking the initial learning curve that any device has with actual user interface issues. For instance, I *like* have individual home, menu, and back buttons. On the Apple I'm never quite sure how to back up in an app, although I'll bet that with more time I'd get used to it.

      I'm not sure I follow your logic on the low-mid-high markets though. This really does appear, as the author points out, set up like computing in the 80s. How many people are going to stick with Apple once the market shifts to Android (all those low and mid devices are going to draw developers in)?

      As for 'find it yourself' apps: yeah, it's pretty though to tap the search button in the Market App (installed by default on most phones) and type in some text. :)

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    Lyons' article is a mess

    His article is full of errors. He supposes that it was because of Jobs's control-freakery that Apple lost the lead in the desktop wars, when in fact it was the backstabbing of Microsoft and the managerial idiocy of Scully. In fact, by the time those wars really got going, Jobs had already ben ousted from Apple. It takes a special kind of guy to believe Microsoft was more open.

    It's funny to see all of these pundits rushing into the arms of Google, all crying out "open open open". Say what you will about the restrictive policies of Apple which, as a consumer, I have no real problem with: no Flash no problem, it's a piece of shit, in fact, I look forward to the day when I don't' even need to install the goddamn plugin on my desktop.

    But those people are going to have a real nasty wake-up call when Google has taken over everything. Schmidt and his cronies have already demonstrated how they feel about ordinary people, and their privacy. Is this the company you would like to hold up as a beacon of freedom?

  3. GeorgeTuk

    Really?

    Do people really get this excited about phones?

    Yeah they are cool and all that but fake blogs and Operation Chokehold?! Very odd people out there.

  4. abortrephrase
    Go

    Fake Steve is right

    I came to a similar conclusion as Fake Steve. Each software update has made my iPhone slower and less reliable so I was already looking around at upgrade options.

    The control-freakery -- particularly on the content side -- pushed me over the edge and I went for a HTC Desire.

    And you know what? The user interface isn't any less elegant than iPhone OS. There aren't as many apps (yet) but most of what I needed was there. It's snappier, more reliable, and chewing through less battery on an average day.

    I'm pretty happy with my decision.

  5. Maliciously Crafted Packet

    Glass beads

    Not satisfied with knowing just about every search you have made. Not satisfied with knowing what website you have visited over the last 10 years. Or for that matter the contents of everyone of your Google Docs and every Gmail that you have sent and received. Not to mention your calendar appointments. Google have developed the ultimate Big Brother device in the shape of Android.

    Android will give Google a realtime feed of where you are and will tell them where you have been, the people you have called and even the music you have listened too, I could go on. When cross referenced with the personal data they already have, there will be nothing left to hide. Today this information is used to profile you for advertisments. Tomorrow who knows what it will be used for.

    In the days of empire the British used to dupe the indigenous peoples into exchanging vast tracts of land for a bucket of glass beads. Google has adopted this ploy and perfected it for the 21st century. Be very wary of those bearing gifts and of what they may want in exchange, the price may be higher than you anticipated.

    Apple looks pretty benign by comparison.

  6. Waffles666
    FAIL

    looks like we got a reply

    Steve job in disguise at his deluded best?

  7. John Moppett

    Hmmmm.

    I am at the point of upgrading my phone. I have had mobiles since the early 90's, and always Nokia. The iPhone does not appeal at all, but I was thinking maybe Android this time, until I read the Reg article on power management.

    Surely power management is far more important than all the bells and whistles which seem to be the buyer benchmark for most people these days?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Up

    alas it was not to be

    here an example of what could have been, with hardware already built from really skilled innovative long term thinkers and doers, Dr. Peter Kittel, Dave Haynie, Andy Finkel etc.

    credit were its due and all that.

    http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/pios/pios1.html

    "...

    Mac & Amiga: Unified against the WIntel threat!

    The initial plan was to launch several variations for the Macintosh and Amiga market. In an attempt to discover a 100% Amiga compatible OS, PIOS delayed the launch of the TransAM (aimed towards the Amiga market), and launched several Macintosh clones, such as the low-end Maxxtrem and high-end Keenya. Negotiations were planned with Viscorp to port the OS to PowerPC.

    By mid-1997, several manufacturers had signed for a Macintosh license. However, the Apple management were having second thoughts about the licensing agreement. In a contradiction to their previous agreement the company requested licensees to pay higher royalties or, in some circumstances, refuse to enter into new agreements for MacOS 8. This was followed by the cancellation of the cloning programme, due to third party competition effecting Apple sales. The PIOS One machines no longer had a market to compete in.

    The PIOS One was dead in the water. Without Apple or Amiga to provide an OS solution, it could only rely upon Be or Linux. However, Be were also suffering in the PowerMAC market and were preparing to migrate to the x86 platform. It appears that the 'creative concept' was over......"

  9. Gil Grissum
    Grenade

    Keep believing that.....

    Sure. Stay in denial. The iPhone did fine without competition. Let's see if it can continue to trick the stupid fashion conscious wannabees for very much longer. Apple with no competition is one thing, while Apple with competition is becoming something quite different. We've already seen this movie before and back then, Apple almost destroyed itself. It's only a matter of time and time is something that simply isn't on Apple's side because now it has competition. Better hope RIM doesn't pull it's head out of the sand too because then Apple will be fighting more than just Android. Apple's only real hope is to negotiate deals with other vendors because AT&T doesn't impress everyone in the US.

  10. DZ-Jay

    The same conclusion that many users...

    It is important to note that the "many users[...], developers [...] with whom The Reg has spoken," is a drop in the bucket, and that the mainstream media and regular consumer is still enamored of Apple.

    It is equally of note that, for all the talk of rage and disdain against Apple and Steve Jobs in the Internet, it is still just the very loud voice of a few making a lot of noise within its echoing chambers. The world at large does not care much about this. For instance, tell me again about the grave and dangerous threat that "exploding iPhones" pose to the consumer, or about how the 27" iMac is going to be the downfall of Apple because of a (very) few defective incidents.

    Android and Google maybe the darling of the techie-kind right now, but--as the iPhone and now the iPad have demonstrated--the world does not revolve around geeks any more.

    -dZ.

  11. Edward Clarke
    Jobs Horns

    US Problem....

    "AT&T is a US problem."

    It surely is. Their network is awful - customers with iPhones have to go up to the front of my bank and stand next to the window to get a signal while other phones just work. This is going to translate into the opinion that "Apple phones suck" with customers in this area. The problem for Apple is that the people who live around here are venture capitalists and investment bankers who work on Wall Street.

    Steve Jobs can give presentations showing that his phone is magnificent but when the guy gets home and his wife tells him that she missed an important call because her iPhone didn't work...

  12. Bugs R Us
    Thumb Up

    @ultranote

    Have you tried Flash on a device powered by the Snapdragon processor and hardware assisted graphics? It's pretty damn quick.

    Software "openness" has nothing to do with where one stores one's data. In practical terms, no one really cares all that much about the openness of the OS itself - on any platform - OS developers are a smaller, much smarter community of the whole smartphone user base - it's app developers that make or break a platform. And, this is where Google will win. Unlike Apple, it's no hold barred approach will allow anyone to develop any kind of app and serve any kind of content (adult smut included - and we all know smut can make or break a platform too).

    What is more amazing about Android is the pace at which is has evolved. The iPhone is on it's 3rd generation and still lacks features that even Windows Mobile has had for many years.

    It's entirely true that the iPhone is aimed at idiot consumers who don't know how to work modern gadgets by themselves.

    Apple: Mobile Phones for Dummies

    va

    Google: Mobile Phones for Intelligencia

    1. ThomH Silver badge

      Fake Steve _is_ right

      But try as I might, I just can't find enough to like in Android. I guess it's because I'm part of the casual target set who buys apps like Angry Birds and Grand Theft Auto. That said, if Apple are forced to be more open then it'll be good for everyone and if the iPhone is toppled entirely I won't be too upset.

    2. MnM
      Thumb Up

      @John M

      Agree with you perfectly, I'm stuck on the E71. The battery WILL NOT DIE. It's a shame that it doesn't have many useful apps available as I'd like to use it for UPnP AV control at home - if it could do that, I'd have no reason to upgrade.

      If something more businessy than the N8 comes out with Symbian^3, and it looks like I could squeeze in most of an 18 month contract before anything good comes out on Symbian^4, and battery life isn't compromised, I may upgrade. That article made me think twice about Android though.

    3. Kevin 6
      Thumb Up

      @ the smut comment

      I tend to agree way back when the Compaq Ipaq 1st came out I knew a guy that blew $650 on one JUST so he could watch pornos while on the shitter at work.

      1. abortrephrase

        Locale

        The app that finally helped me make my mind up was Locale. In part because it's just so great -- for example, it turns wifi on my phone on when I'm home, and off when I'm not -- but also because it's precisely the sort of useful thing a motivated developer can do on Android that they can't do on iPhone.

        With the iPhone you're stuck waiting for Apple to innovate. With Android, any random developer can replace parts. There's a danger in that, certainly, but I think it's the model more likely to produce good results in the longer term.

        Fair dues to Apple though, the iPhone forced mobile handset manufacturers to think about interface design in a way they hadn't bothered doing before. Without Apple's work in the area we'd all still be stuck with Series 60 as the pinnacle of user experience...

        1. David Beck
          FAIL

          Nothing wrong with S60 UI

          Just to point out that there are those of us (currently about 40% of the market) that chose the S60 UI since it works for us. My daughter just renewed her contract and decided to keep her old phone as the carrier was only really offering touch screen phones which she has tried and returned. I need a keyboard since I refuse to use two hands to use a phone, or have to look at it to make a call.

          Despite the euphoria for touch phone UI's even within the "smartphone" world (whatever that is, the Nokia 6700 isn't one, just look as the spec and tell me why not) then I'd say a lot more than 50% of smartphone sales are NOT touch screens, but until Apple produces one of these the hype will have to wait.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          FAIL

          "waiting to innovate"

          Are you by any chance also one of those people that is clamouring for Flash on the iPhone (even though you'd probably never buy an iPhone)?

          If so, I find your statement about "waiting for Apple to innovate" curious, even spurious.

          Also, given that Android is just a washed-out copy of iPhone OS, chances are you will be waiting for Apple to innovate anyway, before you'll see the fruits of that innovation on your freeloading Android.

    4. SynnerCal
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      @John M

      "Surely power management is far more important than all the bells and whistles which seem to be the buyer benchmark for most people these days?"

      Well that makes two-Nokia owning Android prospects who are concerned about power management. I can't see much point in ditching my current N95 for any device that needs charged more often, (3 times in 2 weeks for my N95 - unless I start using it to watch 30 minute cartoons).

      Maybe what's needed is less focus on "look, very thin shiny-shinies" and more on letting some "pork" be added to the form-factor to incorporate a larger battery. I'd be quite happy to have a 1-1.5cm thick device if it only needed charged once a week.

      User-changeable battery, memory expandability and freedom to install apps are the features I'm looking for, and it seems I'd get those with Android, but not iPhone. Yes, I know iPhone has that massive iTMS advantage, but it's lessened if - as has happened with the iPod I've got - that I'm going to purchase an app, only to find that it's been voided by Apple the following month with no reason given, nor refund offered.

      Oh, and surely HTC's, Motorola's, SonyEricsson's technical support can't be any worse than Apple's? "Genius Bar" - ha!

      I'd love to stay with Nokia, since all the phones I've liked best have been from them, but the software support for Android means I'm going to have to look elsewhere. Unless Nokia decided to do an Android phone too ... nice idea in theory perhaps, but I can't see it happening.

    5. Anonymous Coward
      FAIL

      @Bugs I eat

      Comments like those you make are made by people really full of themselves. They create two simple groups, one good, one evil, place themselves in the good group and everyone else in the evil group, and declare themselves to be better than everyone else.

      What a simplistic view of life, and offensive at the same time. FOAD!

    6. The Bit Wrangler
      Pint

      Thing is...

      The non-geeks won't know that the HTC Orgasm (I want cash if you use that one HTC) or whatever the next gen handsets are called AREN'T iPhones. The fact that the newer Android phones have a similar user-experience means that while Apple can be happy that the term "iPhone" will become the "Hoover" of Smartphone it'll probably actually refer to HTCs, Samsungs, Googles etc.

      Soon to be overheard conversation in a pub... "I just got the new iPhone, oh no, not that one, I got the one that runs Locale..."

      1. CD001

        'bout right

        Already happened with iPod...

        "What's an MP3 player?"

        "Your iPod is."

        "Then why didn't you just say you were getting an iPod?"

        *sighs*

      2. Levente Szileszky

        RE: Things is...

        ...it sounds like your circles are apparently way too stupid, even to read the brand on a phone - that's well beyond an average person's normal digital illiteracy - are you older than 60 or do you work for the Gov?

        "The non-geeks won't know that the HTC Orgasm (I want cash if you use that one HTC) or whatever the next gen handsets are called AREN'T iPhones."

        Stop making up silly ideas based on your 'analphabet' friends...

    7. Anonymous Coward
      Jobs Horns

      Errr...no

      I don't HAVE to use gmail, or docs or google search on Android if I don't want to (and I don't). It's very easy to turn all that off. I sync my calendar, contacts and retrieve my mail from Exchange and Google never see it. Thanks to a nice easy tick box, I don't have to use location services either so no worries about tracking my every move - at least no more than my mobile operator can already do by mapping which masts I connect to. Another tick box allows me to turn off the option of any app, not just Googles, from sending any data in the background.

      While I do know exactly what Google want to get out of releasing Android (as much info as possible to tout to advertisers), they don't force me to provide it. they give me the choice. Should that choice ever be taken away then I would move away from Android, it really is that simple.

      Apple on the other hand dictate everything you can and cannot do. Their whole business plan is to tie you into their eco system as completely as possible until you reach the point that you feel you have invested too much money in it to ever move away

      1. CD001

        You forgot your tinfoil hat...

        Sensible answers like this negate the entire purpose of "teh intawebs" - seriously.

        It's a Google OS - therefore it MUST secretly dial home in the background sending every nuance of data that can possibly be gleaned from the actions on your Android handset to GooHQ irrespective of what you've "ticked". The open source part is a smokescreen, they've only opened up the bits they WANT people to see, what actually gets installed on the phone is subtly different - it works in the same, the APIs are the same but is has a secret spy program in there the tell GooHQ everything about you!

        Just wait until they have fingerprint locking on the phones like they do on some laptops - ur fingerprints will be belong to GooHQ!??!

        ... and so on and so forth.

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