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The Hamburg district court has slapped an injunction on German ISP CB3ROB (Cyberbunker) and its operator, demanding that the outfit refrains from plugging The Pirate Bay into the internet. According to a statement (pdf) issued by the Motion Picture Association of America yesterday, if the defendants ignore the court order they …


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Waste of time!

All a big PR exercise and a waste of time. The AA's really that bothered, they should start looking at USENET, IRC, any number of private trackers, Rapidshare, MegaUpload and dozens of other file holding sites!

Oh no, thta would involve some proper investigation work with very little PR for their cause.



last time I checked the EU was not the USA. Please go away.

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oh dear

CB3ROB strikes again. Or not. For those not in-the-know, be glad. He may be highly intelligent, or maybe not so much, but he hides it very very well by doing extremely stupid stuff and calling everyone and everything else stupid, obsolete, or whatever else pops up in his mind.

That "cyberbunker" is actually a cold war bunker in the Netherlands, though he claims the thing is outside Dutch jurisdiction, while dear Sven is playing "ambassador" to his own country (that bunker) in Berlin. Only he forgot to make sure he's accredited as such, which is a bit of a requirement in international law. That doesn't stop him from claiming diplomatic immunity to try and get out of drunk driving charges.

If this is indeed about that cyberbunker I'm a bit at a loss why the court in Hamburg thought it had jurisdiction, since that cyberbunker is well outside German borders, but maybe the injunction is against Sven himself. Still and all, the address he's registered his domains to is outdated, according to Sven sometime last year. That might explain why he hasn't received the injunction. Or not. The article is a bit low on details.


The court in Hamburg....

There is something you need to know about that district court in Hamburg...

It isn't made clear in neither this article nor the press release, but I guess that it was the media/press/journalism law chamber of said district court that issued the injunction.

This chamber has an extremely bad reputation because it bends the law to the extreme and quite regularly even beyond breaking point.

In german law, there is a very strict principle about which court is responsible for cases; that is always determined by the court's catchment area and area of responsibility. In layman's terms, a court in Munich will never hear cases that happened in Berlin or Hamburg or indeed at the wrong end of Munich.

This principle applied to media (offline and online) means if a newspaper is sued over content, it must be sued at the local court, whereever that newspaper is published.

The press chamber of the district court in Hamburg, however, operates on the fiction that online media (basically anything that's on the internet, regardless whether it's a blog, a homepage, a tweet, or a proper news website) can be sued in Hamburg .... because Hamburg has Internet and you can read that online media in Hamburg. That is obviously b*llsh*t because then you could sue a newspaper published elsewhere in Hamburg, because somebody could bring that newspaper to Hamburg and read it there - but that's not the case.

Secondly, the press/media court in Hamburg made itself a name for very often putting out very biased rulings, almost always against the media, upholding claims that would be thrown out within minutes at any other press/media court in Germany.

This has led to a situation that now everyone who wants to shut a website (blog or press company) and in fact any newspaper too (because they have websites) up on something goes to the Hamburg court to get it done, especially if it's about something where they would stand a chance at another media/press court in Germany.

While it is debatable to take that line in relation to german websites, the court is clearly taking matters too far by also ruling on websites that are not German and not located in Germany.

The higher court above the Hamburg press/media chamber regularly overturns rulings - unfortunately not all of them are bought in front of the higher court, so many rulings stand.


I do realise that all of the above will sound strange to U.S. readers because their district courts clearly are the policemen of the world (and regularely decide cases that happened outside U.S. territory between non-U.S. entities) but over here in Europe, we have proper countries with proper rule of law - and therefore courts that only decide on cases within their area or responsibility.

Boot note:

there is a website set up that traces and exposes the mis-rulings of the particular judge that presides the press/media chamber of the court of Hamburg - that's a one-of-a-kind thing in Germany.....

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excelent job

nice info good to know,



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Pray tell

What did you do there, anyway? What are they doing there, except for watching bunnies? And, where does that bunch get their funding?

Me, I only "know" dear Sven from IRC, which is really more intimate than I care for already.

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They hadn't done /what/ to you? "gotten"? Is that a word?

Really, gentlemen. It's time to pull your socks up.

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