He knows about Magna Carta - no wonder she won't let him in!
Controversial US DJ Michael Savage has loudly declared he will sue UK home secretary Jacqui Smith after appearing on a "banned list" of 22 people unwelcome in Britain for "fostering extremism or hate", as the BBC puts it. Savage, described as "conservative", objects strongly to finding himself alongside two members of a …
He knows about Magna Carta - no wonder she won't let him in!
that they've banned what sounds to be some twit with a big mouth and inflated ego and have probably left off genuine undesirables.
As for the legal action, hahahahaha..... I laugh in your face, whatever your unmemorable name is, I can't be arsed to go back and look it up.
Is best viewed as a comedy of manners.
Maybe that's Dear Jacqui's real calling in life: the protagonist in a series of surrealistic comedies.
Or perhaps she could move to the US (if they'll let her in) and join Michael Savage on his shock-jock show as a straight man for his jokes.
If you create a list of 21 people and say "these people don't live by our ideals" doesn't that imply that everyone not on the list gets a thumbs-up? Seems like there might be better candidates than some moronic radio personality.
Ah well, the case might be good for some laughs at the least.
let him lay charges in the US, and apply to get her extradited ... I would die laughing as she's hauled off by plod with no warrant, and no recourse to the UK courts ....
if there's a God, please, please, please ....
As much as I hate to agree with anything Jackboot Smith says, this retard deserves to stay in the US.
The guy sounds like a Grade A right-wing nutjob (after all anyone that describes our borderline-fascist Home Secretary a 'liberal' is obviously several books short of a bonfire). Everything I have read about him seems to indicate that he is a decidedly unpleasant and frankly deluded individual.
Having said all of that he does have a point.
No chance of any legal action getting anywhere as far as I can see, but on some level I really wish it would. If freedom of speech only applies to people that say things you like or agree with that isn't freedom at all.
"while exhorting his millions of listeners to boycott the UK. ®"
Thank God for small mercies......
Having read some of his views on the War on TerrorTM, I would have though he and Jaqui Salad-Dodger would have got on like a house on fire!
He can object all he wishes, the real question is whether he is seen as an undesirable or not.
Still what do I know, maybe UK courts hand out payments to those offended as easily as the US one do ?
Problem goes back to the Pinochet case. Licking his homicidal arse created a precedent which we are to deal with for centuries to come. We should have let the Spanish get him (ditto for some Israeli government members).
Anyone should be welcome to come, but anyone should be eligible to be sued as per British law or the law of EU/Other country Britain has legal assistance treaties with. The current idiocy where Britain does not extradite even to countries which it has treaties with should stop.
...the secret 6 are moslem? Publishing the full list would upset the rather tidy (more or less) 50/50 split between isamic extreemists and other nutters on the list. I suppose it wouldn't be in the public interest to know that the list was targetting one group of nutters more than the others...
>>"banned list" of 22 people unwelcome in Britain for "fostering extremism or hate"<<
And even that seems an overestimate - but great nonetheless! Wacki can take their DNA, tap their internet connections, give them ID cards etc and f*&% the hell out of the rest of our private business and save a few hundred billion to boot!
We've got enough extremist looneys of our own without importing them as well. Lunatic witch is pretty spot on, though.
Jacqui Smith said "If you can't live by the rules that we live by, the standards and the values that we live by, we should exclude you from this country"
Most of the British have standards and values that include freedom and personal privacy. So why has she not put herself on the list? I'd love to see her nip off on a junket and be refused re-entry...
Hoist by her own retard?
No such luck - she'd just appeal to the home secretary to block the extradition!
"Hello me. Please block the extradition" "ermm, well it's highly irregualr... but OK!)
It's nice to know The Powers That Be don't credit us with enough intelligence to dismiss his lunatic ramblings ourselves.
Paris, because she's welcome any time.
Can't they both lose?
Moronic hatemonger banned by lunatic witch - it would all be vaguely amusing had these two clowns not somehow become a prominent celebrity and home secretary of the UK respectively. Much though the world would be a better place without the likes of Savage, it seems he's right for once. Trust our very own Wacky Jacqui to outdo such a worthless specimen of humanity in the idiocy stakes.
The UK has no First Amendment.
So why was Abu Hamza et al let in? This guy may be a right wing nut job but I don't think he's advocated blowing us up anytime soon...
It would make a great series of Big Brother.
Except the 6 who can't be named, of course. Keep them out. We don't want people like that in the country.
...in the US.
"lunatic witch" does kind of make sense with all the other crap that she's been getting upto lately!
On the one hand, free speech means that you don't persecute people based on what they say. On the other hand, this twunt has said things which could have encouraged others to commit violent acts, which is surely a good thing to stop. I think I'm inclined to the former option, having the mental disorder of liberalism.
On a related note, I did a search for Stormfront, which according to the Home Office press release was a website set up by one of the people on the list, and an Apple reseller of the same name was the third result.
The Magna Carta was originally a charter between King John and the barons and nobles. So as and when what's-his-name gets a peerage he can invoke the Magna Carta. Until then .... see figure 1.
And, is it possible that the Mayflower was an early version of the B-Ark?
Mine's the one with the velum bound copy of HHGTTG.
Too bad you guys won't let it in, then refuse to send it back.
The sad detritus of the Rethuglicans' War On Brains(TM) is evident in this rather...interesting...bit:
"Savage has threatened to deploy 'top **First Amendment attorneys**' to represent him 'in a major international case'."
Duh. I never realized that Britain had signed onto our Constitution. Apparently, Savage is in posession of...intelligence...to the contrary.
You guys need a dunce cap icon.
Firstly i think this is a disgrace Micheal Savage seems like a great guy i have listened to his radio shows before. he should be welcomed into this country with open arms, and invited to fix this mess that the government has got us into.
secondly. if there is a list of banned people why the hell is it only 22 people i can think of tones of the top of my head that should be banned. i bet you Bin Laden isnt even on it!!!
As a resident in the US (and US citizen), why do we have to be the ones stuck with this overinflated sack of ego (and all of his listeners, who undoubtedly also live here)?
If the UK tells that other shock jackass -- Howard Stern, I believe? -- that he can't come in, perhaps my wife and I will try to move across the pond! She's always wanted to see Wales...
IGMC - it's rainy in England, innit?
This guy is everything you hate about the US. You know about Sarah Palin, George Bush and maybe even Rush Limbaugh. But this guy makes all of these look like cultured humanitarians.
His viewpoints include the belief that the US can do as it pleases in the world and we should be grateful for it. All Muslims are terrorists, as are homosexuals and immigrants (legal or otherwise).
He believes in free speech for himself and those that support his extreme right viewpoints, but not anyone who dares to criticize or challenge the validity of what they're saying.
There is an extremist minority here in the US that listens to his racist diatribe daily. And yes, he stirs up hatred and violence.
People that listen to his show have recently committed murder, claiming they did so because they were so upset at what the current democratically elected President is doing to their country.
They couldn't get at the President so their nutter-logic said that made it okay to kill two police officers or commit mass murder in a church service.
This is his version of free speech and democracy, where the extreme right may do as it pleases in response to anyone who dares to do or say things they don't approve of.
....He has described the Koran as "a book of hate", most autism as the behaviour of "a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out" and Liberalism as "a mental disorder".
Well I agree with one out of the three. Does that mean I get banned from 1/3 of the UK?
This here the same turd ?
In the US "Liberal" means anyone who wants greater government spending. Often the ideology comes with intolerance for any criticism of certain protected groups (racial/ethnic minorities, the poor, sometimes even avowed enemies of the nation). The definition of a liberal is much more narrow than in other countries. Often I find that in some respects, American conservatives (at least those described as conservative on fiscal issues, not on cutural ones) are often more similar to British and European liberals than conservatives.
I don't think Savage is a liberal by any definition. Regardless of her other beliefs, Wacky Jacqui would have definitely been considered a liberal in the US after she banned Geert Wilders from Britain for his criticism of Islam.
Many correspondents here engage in "hate speech" against Microsoft and Apple. You even have an icon for it.
Is that the sound of jackboots? I'll use the back door, ta.
"Coming to this country is a privilege. If you can't live by the rules that we live by, the standards and the values that we live by, we should exclude you from this country and, what's more, now we will make public those people that we have excluded."
WOW. What about the masses of immigrants that decide that they dont want to live as we do?
And that we should bend over backwards.
I am no expert, but I thought Savage was all for ripped up and throwing away Magna Carta in the USA, so as to keep prisoners forever in places where they could be tortured for (apparently) the pleasure of the guards. Magna Carta doesn't cover free speech, and we don't have a First Amendment, although he may be surprised that US law, like US dollars, isn't a universal currency.
As he preaches on a pro-torture, anti-law, anti-gay, anti-Muslim, anti-woman, well, really, anti- anyone but chaps like himself platform, where rights should be removed from all those he detests, then I am glad to say that he doesn't fit here. I am reluctant to support bans on free speech, but there are limits to everything. Just as (I hope) as as a group would protest and silence some nutter in the same room who began spewing anti-semitic or racist garbage in our presence, so we as a society say 'not at our picnic, thanks all the same', especially as it is a bit tough on the victims of the hate speech to have to tolerate being called horrible things without let-up for the greater principle of free speech. If you have ever been on the receiving end of a vicious hate speech, as I have, you know that it is 'assault' in the legal sense of the word, and feels it.
What I hate is the implication that if we somehow need protecting from his views - let him come over the Atlantic and we'll all turn into bigoted, autist-bashers. A moron's a moron, where-ever he's standing and I'm still going to ignore his right-wing nonsense, wherever he says it.
Being allowed to say and think what you like, so long as you don't cause actual harm to others? Clearly a British ideal Jaqui doesn't share, so perhpas she'd like to add herself to the list?
The government is banning people now too. Well at least we get to see _this_ list, oh hang on, no we don't, half the list is secret, FFS!
For the love of god, I've met plenty of people in the pub with heinous terrible ill informed hateful ignorant opinions, they are not going to infect me with their idiocy because they are idiots. I can hold my own against idiots, I can hold my own against Nick Clegg or whover the cheif idiot is these days. Banning these people means we don't get to publicly rip their stupid opinions to shreds, correct their fallacies, humiliate them in public and discredit their 'teachings', instead it empowers them, giving credence to the idea they are an actual threat to us rather than the pitiful big gobbed sad cases they are, it gives them a reputation and they can legitimately claim they are being discriminated against - do we want that?
If they've been convicted for serious crimes I believe we have the option of denying them entry already, if they're just a chauvinist douchebag with some unsavoury opinions then let 'em in, it's not like we don't have those already, it not like Rabies, just let 'em in and let them spend their money, shoot their mouth off and fuck off again, god knows the economy could use some tourist dollar & maybe, just maybe, their big mouths might get 'em a well deserved kicking!
Has anyone in the UK government actually listened to Dr Savage? I listen to him every night during my commute home.
According to the BBC Dr Savage is a "Controversial daily radio talk-show host. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred which might lead to inter-community violence.
His views on immigration, Islam, rape and autism have caused great offence in the US. "
Since I have been listening, he has NEVER once encouraged his listeners to engage in criminal acts. In fact the opposite is true. A few weeks ago a caller asked Savage if he would lead the next revolution in the US should criminal politics come to that. Savaged responded that he is just a radio talk show host and not a revolutionary leader.
Savage preaches Border, Language and Culture. Border - enforce our sovereign borders to prevent the likes of Mexican Swine Flu infected illegal immigrants from spreading diseases. You wouldn't let diseased meats into the food supply would you? Prevent illegal aliens from getting free health care that the states taxpayers have to pick up the tab for. Language - if the US were to have a common language, it would become a stronger country without the communication barriers of having so many languages. Culture - having a unified culture would also make the US a healthier nation.
Al Franken ACTIONS greatly offend me. So do the ACTIONS of criminal politicians in both parties - both nation and local - robbing this once great country blind through bailouts. Why aren't they on the UK ban list?
Dr Savage is a logical man. He has reasons for his beliefs. In the US we have the Constitutionally protected right to free speech and free press. I don't agree with all of his views but his positions are well reasoned and thought out. He is not some raving mad lunatic hater. He is in a completely different class than the murderers and scum on that list.
His transgressions are ideas and words, not actions.
Jaqui herself has caused 'great offence in the US" by putting Dr Savage on this list. By that measure shouldn't she be on the list herself??
Better look out - the thought police are on their way and the will take us ALL away if we aren't careful!
(PS you can listen to him on the web if you are interested in getting the real story)
let Savage in. And keep him -- we don't want him on this side of the pond.
I for one had never heard of Savage, nor did I know anything of his views of messages, until The Lunatic Witch (I rather like that) stuck her oar in.
Does anyone else think that she's rather missing the point about modern communications? It is no longer necessary to get to Speakers' Corner in order to get your message to the masses, nor even to be in the country.
Oh, well. Another Epic Fail for our noble and righteous Government....
Paris, because we might as well have something decorative to look at as our nation goes down the toilet.
Michael "Savage's" real name is Michael Wiener.
(Hence his nickname among the non-retarded section of the American public of "the Savage Wiener").
Fire that intern!
So is he going to sue in a US court or a UK one? Any US judge worth his gavel would probably say it's out of his jurisdiction, any UK judge would hopefully invoke the Streisand effect and throw the case out - had he not made a fuss about it, I suspect that most of us would have cheerfully forgotten him within a week. Or perhaps find in his favour and award him a penny in damages but not costs.
...is one of the most despicable, wretched ingrates I have ever had the displeasure of listening to (I believe at the time he was saying that anyone who isn't a fundamentalist Christian should be kicked out of the US) but banning someone from a country because he's an asshole is a pretty stupid use of political power.
It may not be a bad thing for Mr. Savage to never enter the UK, although as a US citizen it's somewhat depressing as it lowers the chances he'll leave. But the implications of and precedents set by the UK's banning anyone it doesn't like, for a vague set of random reasons, are alarming indeed.
He thinks she's too liberal because she doesn't respect his rights enough? How does that work?
These two probably can't see how similar they are.
In the States, Mr. Savage is undesirable, though not necessarily *an* undesirable.
If you could please let him in, THEN put him on a terrorist watch list, we'd be most grateful.
Hey, the man is overworked. He needs a (perpetual) Caribbean holiday.
Posting as Paris, since Michael and Jacqui have just enough brains between them to match hers..
Savage is a blowhard, plain and simple. For my friends on the Euro side of the pond who likely don't have much to go on about him, save what's been written about him, let me add that Savage is really just a radio personality with strong opinions. He's not a lot different than many of the commentators on our News/Talk TV channels, people like Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow. They all come with sharp tongues, strong opinions and broad political agendas. And they're all in the business of attracting a crowd, so they (or their employer) can charge advertisers outrageous sums of money. I've seen Arbitron reports from several markets around the country and for several different ratings periods, and there's no debating the fact that Savage has pretty damn good listener share and audience numbers.
Personally, I think Savage should be sending the 'lunatic witch' a nice fat gratuity checque, rather than threatening her with civil action. In the radio business there's a expression to describe events such as this whole flap - IT'S FREAKIN' RATINGS GOLD, BABY; RATINGS GOLD!
... furitive phone calls from the concrete donut (yes i spelled it right) to washington, and mr Sauvage is being made an offer he can't refuse.
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