When too much information becomes the weak point....
The US Transportation Security Administration has done a backflip on a policy of adding people who had forgotten their ID to its database of suspect fliers. The scheme kicked off in June, according to USA Today, the same time the agency officially declared people could not board planes in the US unless they showed ID. At the …
>> Being added to the database, effectively meant that innocent but absent-minded
>> fliers in the US would find their IDs slapped in a database with everyone else the
>> TSA decided was an undesirable, including people who breached flight securities
>> regs or acted suspiciously. Or are foreign. (We’re just guessing on that last one.)
I don't think you would actually need to be 'foreign', having a 'foreign' appearance should suffice.
Mines the black Bisht cloak.
as in "I can't remember where I was when they was robbed guv"
The real question is whether the risk from terror outweighs the cost in terms of restrictions of civil liberties and general aggro/ privacy invasion
Personally I think no but that's because all this terror mularkey p**ses me off especially at the heel holes that are our airports, but I'm in no position to judge the terror threat.
I reckon it's a lot less than the government reckons though, and it's just a handy excuse to line their and their mates pockets with my hard earned
... At least, no *less* reasonable than the original idea. After all, what's the point of a no-fly list if you can circumvent it by saying "Sorry, I forgot." at the check-in? Even someone stupid enough to get a job as a suicide bomber can be taught to say *that*.
Of course, the real question is not "Are you a dangerous terrorist?" but "Have you come under the influence of someone who is?" and for that you need to check IQ, not ID.
They can't add you to the naughty list if they don't know who you are.
They can't be certain who you are if you don't have ID.
OK, try again:
If they add you to the list, it means they think you're not who you say you are.
The name in the database is who you said you were.
So this is a list of people who might have been impersonated by other (unknown) people?
I always get subjected to the "extra security scan" at US airports. I makes no difference whether or not I have my ID and/or passport. I speak my mind when I have something to say and I am not afraid of what anyone thinks about it in return.
We are talking about the USA here.
Maybe if I didn't post things like this online I'd have less problems traveling, but then again this is the "Information Age" and I want the people in charge to know what I think. Since they'd never bother listen to me if they even if bothered to come to my local pub, I say it in places like this instead.
For more info on the title of this comment see:
Coat, Hat, Pub.
>on a policy of adding people who had forgotten their ID to its database of suspect fliers
So you turn up with no ID and they ask, "Who are you?" To which you reply, "George Bush", and they add you to the no fly list.
The only surprise here is that someone noticed the flaw and revoked the policy.
So they are unable to confirm your ID because you've forgotten your documents. They are going to add you to their database which is guaranteed to cause you trouble when you travel in the future.
Clearly any sane person who has forgotten their documents will claim to be someone else. Anybody else. The database will be even less useful, as time goes on.
Why do they think that being dodgy about ID means you are a terrorist? Terrorists usually have the best ID, their own. As for probing for weak points, why would they bother there are plenty of well known ones and you won't need to worry if you've your own ID. If they are at the airport it's really too late. You need to catch them well before that. The TSA conducts its own tests and they often manage to sneak things like guns past security points. Get the handcart ready and set the SatNav to 'Hell'.
TSA is a bunch of freaking rejects and that agency is damn money pit for the US tax payers. Most of the goofs checking people at the gates are x-criminals. They can't even do a proper background check.
Sometimes I wish I lived in the Europe/UK with you guys/gals.
Your now labeled a terrorist for writing this.
Surely if a terrorist wanted to probe for a weak point all he'd have to do is carry ID?
Anyone in any kind of security position should know that the biggest threat comes from (trusted) inside, not (untrusted) outside your borders.
The more you rely on data as a source of information the less able you are to react flexibly on that information. You become predictable and that is a weakness.
This is where I add would a snide comment about our own ID Card proposals, but, you know, choir, preaching and all that.
Do these cretins know how counterproductive it is to have a database of false positives? Not only does it mean those not flagged get an easier access, but that people learn to distrust the database and any information it contains.
Its obviously not fit for purpose. Its also obvious the TSA is managed by buffoons.
If they want to be efficient, if not politically correct, then simply make a database of known muslims and check them AND anyone looking like they come from a muslim country. Far higher probability of detecting a bad guy - not that any security screening has ever caught a terrorist.
I wonder how on earth I'll ever be able to get into the jail system over there to visit my friends. It's like the dumb insolence infraction in the army - you can't win. As with Pinochet, you must not only say and do what the authorities demand, you must also smile and show enthusiasm while doing it.
Next thing you know they'll be covering you with electrodes and sweat sensors to check if you're feeling icky about what they're doing.
Think I'll go to Canada, walk across the border in some forest, and hitch down to LA.
(Paris cos she's in LA but doesn't have to bother about this shit...)
TSA won't have to worry about me bombing a plane anytime soon. Thanks to their own terrorism of American consumers, I will never step on an airplane. Hopefully I'll never have to hear "Papers, please" while driving down the Interstate.
Paris, because I heard she forgot her I.D. once and was frisked for hours by security...
....it's going to be unlawful (in USA and UK) to be forgetfull. Imagine:-
Policman: "OK, lets have a dawn raid on Joe Bloggs..."
PoliceWoman: "What's he done, Sir?"
Policeman: "he forget to empty his wheelie bin yesterday. A full survailance team watched him forget!"
Policewoman: "The Bast**d! I hope the'll throw the book at him!"
Policeman: "Yeah....now where's my notebook.....Arhhh....!
Policewoman: "Ya nicked, sir!"
It seems likely they are safer than average to fly at subsequent times than those who have not been checked to that extent.
Odd, really. I'm glad I don't have to run or invent a workable system that makes good sense though.
I thought those ID's were called passports?
And if they are letting people in/out without them.. think I might of found where there going wrong!
But I'm guessing their database of suspect fliers is probably filled with Americans' - well they do cause alot of problems for the American government so you woudl see why they would target them.
*\. Taking mine off why the sound of a rubber glove goes on in the background.
Seriously, the TSA makes a load more sense as a covert operation to reduce people's willingness to fly then it does as a security operation. Aviation is a very obvious source of CO2, although rather smaller than cars, electricity generation, and probably several other fields. The Bush Administration clearly can't say out loud that they want to shrink the aviation sector, but it's clearly a benefical side-effect of the TSA.
It's looking more and more appealing to eventually get my jet rating, so I can just fly myself. Commercial airline security is getting silly, but the TSA hasn't yet caught on to imposing the same restrictions to general aviation. And GA is the one thing that isn't yet ruined here in the US.
you mean they WEREN'T requiring ID for internal flights before? How long have we had such a requirment in Europe? I can't fly from London to Edinburgh without a Passport, Driver's Licence (photocard version only) or other approved ID. How did they actually know who's been flying all this time?
The whole thing is poorly thought out and full of holes. Always try to check in on-line because if it won't let you, it probably means you've been randomly selected for an airport check-in and a date with the TSA special grilling squad. Yes, it happened to me once, hence the AC this time. Can't go around giving away secrets, after all.
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