Meanwhile, here in the UK.....
.....we let anyone in, pay for their house and upkeep, and all the rest of us lose our jobs, rights & identities. Cheers.
Europeans and other potential enemies of the US are to be forced to deposit their personal details on the Department of Homeland Security’s computer system 72 hours before they get anywhere near the place. The new rules will apply to citizens of the UK, and other countries whose citizens can travel to the US under the “visa …
That if UK/EU turned the tables and said any US visitors had to pass us all their details a few days in advance - to stop the terrorists of course - that it would somehow be "anti-competitive"?
Assholes. GF has been banging on about going to LA next year, but it sure ain't happening with all the BS rings you gotta jump thru.
Wouldn't mind so much if you could easily (and cheaply) get to other places on the American continent (yes, US residents, there are other countries in America) without changing in the US - should a trip to Canada require your details to be registered in the USA? I was under the impression that if you didn't pass through customs, you didn't officially enter the country, so therefore shouldn't have to register, but I may be wrong (in which case it's a stupid system).
Hmm this is getting silly, we have no control over our own borders, but must conform to EU rules. Perhaps the EU should impose the same criteria on US travellers to the EU, if they bring a laptop, we should copy the harddrive, get their personal details 72 hrs in advance, fingerprints & DNA on arrival. Ask them silly questions, about moral turpitude, ask if they ever donated to NORAID etc, and setup our own Guantanamo in the Falkland islands for any US citizen we don't like the look of!
All for Justin Case you understand, we won't look for commercial advantage in any of the data oh no.......... it's a security thing!
Well I hope it's a reciprocal arrangement, that applies to all persons traveling to Europe from the USA. Including the CIA and the military. Won't bother me, I gave up going to the "Land of the Free" when they started to fingerprint all entrants and stopped being the "Land of the Free".
They can damned well introduce what they like, I'll not be setting foot in the dump again anyhow......
Can someone tell the Septics that they don't need to keep coming up with these "we're gonna make it dang near impossible for you commy bastards to enter our glorious country" measures, as most non-yanks are now so fed up with this crap that we don't want to bother any more anyway!!!
The important question is, when are the rest of our nations going to have the balls to insist that Americans go through the same crap when THEY travel abroad?
"Previously, the consensus was that the little paper entry cards you filled out on arrival in the US were sent to a physical warehouse and consigned to oblivion."
It is a widely believed fact that those cards are mashed down, mixed with water, and used to repair the scorch marks that keep appearing on the box containing the Ark of the Covenant.
I thought everyone knew that?
Mines the one with the snakes - why did it have to be snakes - in the pockets.
Just one more reason the avoid the place. all the crap you have to go through just to take your kids to Florida? No thanks.
What's the betting that soon they will have a huge tourism drive as the numbers are (inexplicably to Washington) down?
Land of the free*
*subject to change, mangle or otherwise be open to abuse by those in power.
So the 'merkins are allowing brits to travel to the USA without a visa, provided they apply in advance for a document that allows them entry. Don't most countries call that a 'visa' ?
Remind me, is this to stop terrorists or is it 'for the children' - I lose track of which justifications are used where these days.
Capt. Vasili Borodin: I will live in Montana. And I will marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and she will cook them for me. And I will have a pickup truck... maybe even a "recreational vehicle." And drive from state to state. Do they let you do that?
Captain Ramius: I suppose.
Capt. Vasili Borodin: No papers?
Captain Ramius: No papers, state to state.
Capt. Vasili Borodin: Well then, in winter I will live in... Arizona. Actually, I think I will need two wives.
Captain Ramius: Oh, at least.
It took only 18 years for that quote to change from funny to sad.
Managed to hit the states quiet a few times before most of this junk went down. I've seen Florida and Miami before 11/9 and was in Seattle and L.A. a year afterwards. Seen NY last year witch unfortunately meant I had to have pointer fingers 'printed... Shame I had burned them welding a few days before hand... yeah... shame...
Really cant understand why they keep doing this, well, I can but just dont believe it. They really must want "their" country secure then. I mean, all the terrorists must be coming in right on the planes and not sneaking at all... No thats crazy talk.
Guessing my trip to NY will be the last time I set anything over there. Lets make the sod's reg the same details with us, you know, "for the children terroirsts" or some such...
No AC as well, meh, *finger to the states*
I made the mistake of travelling on a plane that had a refuelling stop in the USA, so had the "privilige" of having my (at that time two) fingerprints taken by border guards wearing Black shirts, who told me that it was all for my own protection! At that point I concluded I was never go back to that place again. Shame, because the people seem to be quite friendly, its just the stinking government that they choose for themselves.
So when they started taking all ten finger I felt completely vindicated. And now, heartily relieved that I will never need to worry about them selling the information to anyone else, because there isn't much of mine amongst it.
One day it will get better, but not in my lifetime.
I don't think Oz is so paranoid about Terrorists, but you just try to get into the country with mud on your boots!!
I like the Visa scheme they have in Turkey. Fly into Istanbul airport, pay £10, have the nice man stick a visa into you passport and stamp it no questions asked.
You may be a terrorist but a slightly poorer terrorist, Capitalism at it's best.
First of all a few things to note.
@ first comment-Kevin
This is the way of the world. Now, dont blame others for coming to your country and taking your job, the simple fact here is that they can only take your job if you are worthless and if you are complaining about it the chances are that you are just that. Be good at what you do and you will have a job no matter what.
As for the other people saying we should do the same to americans, i only can wonder why. At this time you dont wanna make it hard for americans to come to europe. On the contrary you wanna make it easy. Let them all come here and let america rot. The ones who will manage to come to europe will not be useless rednecks for the most part. We will acquire their brain power and their workforce and leave america with inbreds. Why would you want to prevent that?
And I’m not talking about the US measures; I’m talking about most of the posters here. Virtually everyone buys their ticket more than three days in advance, so for most it surely isn’t a problem.
So you have to give your name, passport number and place you’re staying in the US on a form that takes a couple of minutes to fill out.
Sure, so many hoops to go through! Obviously a much greater effort than lugging the kids around Disneyworld for two weeks would have been.
So much anti-US feeling might just breed a little paranoia in Homeland Security.
We all keep banging on about how the Mercans should be treated the same as they treat others: I know a place where they do!
Brazil. You got to love their immigration policy....
When the US put the visa fees up.... so did Brazil (Exactly the same fee!)
When the US started to fingerprint non-US visitors, Brazil started fingerprinting... US Citizens.
Nothing like sailing through the queue (I'm a Brit, married to a Brazilian), having filled out the form my tourists visa, no cost, stress or hassle. Speak a little Portuguese and they're even nicer to you.
Meanwhile... the Americans 'guests' have to pay through the nose to be treated like criminals on arrival.... sound familiar? (They didn't look happy)
Why can't my country have some balls (like Brazil) and treat US citizens the way the US treats my fellow countrymen? Naa. Better roll out the red carpet - they're obviously above all that... of course terrorists only come from outside the US.
Mine's the anonymous coat, cos you never know where the black CIA helicopters will turn up.
BTW Brazil is beautiful. Everyone should visit at least once... and no fingerprinting (unless you're from the USA.... ha ha)!!
Welcome to my Nighmare. The GF not only wants to go to the US, but he's from the US, so the likleyhood of me having to once again be fingerprinted / scanned / probed and, more importantly, treated like I've got a very large chunk of C4 up my arse every time I fly into Newark is great.
How did that saying go, treat people like children and they'll act like children? Nice affect on the world this will be having, treating everyone like terrorists.
The business points are right also, we travel at short notice for work so we'll just be registering most of our company's employees details in January for some serious data-mining.
This does lead to one story of greatness from US Border Control however. When travelling to see the GF...
Border Control :: So is the trip for business?
Me : No, I'm going to visit the GF
BC : She lives here then?
Me : Yes
BC : You are gona take care of business as well then!
Fantastic. Paris because she always requests the the body search
"the vast bulk of whom will have committed no crime other than wanting to go to Disneyland"
That's enough of a crime in my book.
Also @Graham Marsden's comment: "Why don't they just build a big wall around the country and save us all the bother?"
Make sure it's water-tight and we can fill it with water. Half the world's problems solved.
Now if we can just convince the French to do the same.
On a serious note, I shall not be travelling to the States unless I have to (and I may, as my boss wants me to go on a training course there... May have to look for another job). And I do think we should return the favour. All US citizens wanting to enter the UK must supply all their details, a sample of blood, urine, faeces, hair, their finger/hand/foot prints, bra size/dick length...
I never understand why people get so sensitive about this stuff and talk about retaliating. If the Americans don't want us to come, we won't go. Easy.
If they want to come here and pay vastly inflated prices to stay in London and gawp at things built before 2003 they're quite welcome to. Sure they can be annoying, but why would we stop them from subsidising the public services that they don't benefit from?
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