147 posts • joined Tuesday 11th September 2007 17:14 GMT
I'm sure that the 100m sales figure in no way reflects the number of w8 installs in use. I also think it is a total dogs dinner of an OS designed by marketers @ the finance department.
However, from MS's point of view money has been exchanged for those licenses. What counts for them is that investors see sales & profits. Of course how those sales were achieved and the consumer perception of the product may eventually hurt their bottom line.
The real messages MS are trying to convey here are...
To the investors: We can release a total pile of crap to market & we still get 100m sales!
To the consumers: How can windows 8 be shit when we have managed 100m sales?
Re: Coeliac sufferers are special needs
In the UK / EU the limit used to be under 200ppm could be labelled gluten free, however that definition was changed in 2012 I believe to match the US definition of <20ppm.
However I believe NZ or AUS use <6ppm
It sounds ghastly
If they write into stone the idea of yearly updates they will then be under pressure to release something whether they have it or not.
This means arbitrary UI changes or a new colour scheme or some stupid widget that inserts a twitter feed into your word processor or into media player so you can look at baby pictures while you work.
Since stable functionality is often critical in business situations they will need to come up with a system for refusing updates. ooh How about a running task which constantly pops up a full screen providing you a list of cryptic codes for the current updates you haven't installed each with it's own paypal button. Once a day?
Just imagine if this is how they had deployed the metro gui?
Personally I would prefer to choose whether I want to buy into Microsofts flavour of the month, rather than have them foisted up on me or having to jump through hoops to avoid them.
Re: Spearchucker Jones
Just wanted to say I installed Mint ( version 12 it was) which is based on Ubuntu on an old sony Vaio we have and it installed no problem, no driver issues. Never tried the wireless though - it is cabled to the network.
Re: Microsoft's conceited arrogance... @Ragarath
>"It seems to me it is the person that is lacking if they cannot work it out. "
That works both ways.
oh and it is visual CUE btw
Sirius Cybernetics Corporation
First against the wall when the revolution comes....
Re: Microsoft's conceited arrogance... @Ragarath
"Why is telling you about it not enough? Is your memory that bad?"
Actually yes - why should I be discriminated against?
"Also why do you expect underlines, colours, animations, boxes etc. to actually do something? Can you tell me why? Yes, that's right! At some point in the past that is what someone decided would work and everyone else learn't it."
And all those thousands of experiments in a field called HCI (Human Computer Interaction) conducted since the mid 1970's.
Re: Form over substance
Wish I could multiple up-vote!
"Pretty stuffed now if half a tower block in Yorkshire are using the same ip to download pirate material."
...except they won't be able to accept incoming connections for p2p
Re: Try looking at Plusnet www.plus.net
"Try looking at Plusnet www.plus.net"
Plus.net are owned by BT I believe.
I just cancelled my Be service yesterday
also due to the lack of FTTC offering. It has been available on our street for a long time now. With ADSL2 I only get around 5mb / 1mb the line estimate for FTTC is ~40bm / 20mb
The cost is only a couple of quid extra.
I have had great service and support from Be since they started locally. However recently the service has been a bit more variable and the above numbers were just too much temptation.
re; Sean Timarco etc....
"Why on earth anyone who considers themselves any kind of expert or advanced user still drags their mouse pointer all the way down to the bottom-right corner in this day and age escapes me"
Not all shortcuts are easy with one hand, and I like to hold my cock in the other.
Mines the one with the pack of tissues in the pocket.
Re: Ribbon confused users!
"Do you honestly have no f'ing clue about product development that you think they havent been working on Win9 for the last year."
Is that why they didn't finish W8 then?
Another problem is the modern phenomenon of utter crap build quality. Most consumer items are not made to last more than a couple of years, so it certainly isn't worth buying a pre-built performance machine at a premium price if your the sort of person who replaces the whole thing when something goes wrong.
My machines morph over the years gradually evolving by having various bits upgraded when necessary. Only once in the last 12 years have I constructed an almost totally new machine & obviously I bought all the bits separately. Even then I I never by the latest model of CPU or GPU as they are usually several hundred quid more than the model they replace adn I know I will eventually upgrade to something faster for less than the just released premium price.
Although I do a fair bit of graphics processing, 3d modelling and software development as well as some gaming I'm not a slave to having the very latest, fastest components.
could be more than virgin
I am on BE (subsidiary of O2) and various video streaming services (iplayer -particularly bad, 4od and Dave also poor performance) have been dire lately. I know they have had problems in the past with a peering provider.
Watching these services through a london based vpn server was a great improvement.
I tend to have rather more exciting things to be getting on with when gadding about than interacting with government websites.
>'A DWP spokesman told us that "the first part of the project is done" and added that, as with the private sector, different people are needed at different stages of an IT programme.'
On anything I've ever worked on it has always turned out to be critical to have someone who knows the design & implementation inside & out long after the project is deployed. You can't consider the project completed until the system has been actually operational for months.
That attitude goes some way to explaining why most gov IT projects are text book examples of how not to do it. I suppose it's nice that they provide so many negative examples for students in the field to study.
Re: Metro in business? Why?
I think the idea MS are aiming for is that you use a seperate win 8 machine running metro for each app.
Say one lappy with vis studio open, another with spec docs open for reference, another with your UML graphing app open, another for your e-mail. You might need a bigger desk though.
Re: Google's search results have gone downhill
I agree. Google are just as bad as the rest now. They seem to have defaulted to an OR search on multiple keywords instead of an AND
I don't thikn Google really care that much about search anymore. They when they have ad-words, analytics, personal and corporate gmail, drive, maps,calendar etc... to mine data from the drones?
I think in part though, the web is begining to suffer from ubiquitous use and commercialisation. There is so much noise out there that general searches are much less effective.
Once upon a time the web was a majority of porn, academia and geeks which suited me just fine. Now it is shopping, propaganda, scams, every possible flavour of opinion, ghastly celebrity tossers covering contentless rumour sites (I'm looking at you Dail Mail!). At least there's still porn, although even that is homogenous and unimaginative crap.
Things were different when I was a lad
Re: im guessing you are far younger than my 39 years...
The problem with Eve is the point & click flight interface and the rock - paper - scissors combat system.
I started playing Eve in 2003 purely because I thought it might give me that Elite hit I was after - it didn't, even after playing for years. CCP are now more corporate & less focused than they used to be and Eve is suffering. I am no longer subbed
The other problem with Eve is once you have a large player base with long established assets you can't make any radical changes without upsetting pretty much everyone, no matter how necessary it is.
I would love to play a modern version of Elite, but I wouldn't be interested in an MMO aspect. Although I wouldn't mind being able to invite a few friends to my universe for a bit of co-op or head to head play.
I blame Mozilla's ridiculous 6 week update cycle. I do not want my gui & functionality changing every 6 weeks especially on the sly. The ESR version is better if you can find it.
But even then, as others have stated FF is getting slow & bloated and has been a memory hog for ages.
Re: Oh and Linux has similar available too.
I should have added...
User configurability is the key.
If I could by Win 8, but skin the gui to look and behave like any of the following (whether that ability was supplied by MS or purchasable from a 3rd party supplier)
TIFKAM (I can't think of it as any other name!)
Some other GUI or paradigm.
I wouldn't hesitate to purchase one or even two copies.
But i'll stick to the various perfectly functional existing OSs used in our house
(2xMints, 1xXP Pro, 1xXP64, 1xWin7, 1xUbuntu[non-unity])
Oh and Linux has similar available too.
"Apple are the good design gods - they have hot corners too. Oh and Linux has similar available too."
I don't know about apple but the key word in your linux statement is "available", you could add as an option to make the point abundantly clear.
This is what pisses me off as a developer. MS could have easily achieved their 'touch first' design goal, their new minimalistic style goals in many no-brainer methods which don't fly in the face of 30 years of HCI research.
You could write an eassay on the obvious and logical ways in which MS could have done this. As such it makes it obvious that the whole design has been skewed to a high degree by a bullying business and marketing philosophy.
They don't seem to understand that it is also possible to attract and retain customers through pure exellence rather than using restrictions and bullying which is only possible because of their dominant pre-installed OS monopoly.
They really should start considering changing their name to the Syrius Cybernetics Corporation.
Re: General Computing Device
er... I was talking about GUIs not the technology they are built with. It wouldn't matter to me if they used win32 libraries, C, C++, winforms -whatever as long as it is fast and doesn't get in the way of what I am actually using the computer for
Except when using not-metro there are times wen the desktop suddenly needs to appear and vice-versa - which is why I called it unfinished.
General Computing Device
I think win 8 is a big mistake although none of us can be sure until we see take up (and discard) numbers. It does seem as if Microsoft are trying to emulate apple by creating an eco-system rather than an operating system. In doing so however I feel that they are in danger of discarding their USP.
The very reason I use both linux and windows at home is because of their versatility. Because they enable your computer to be a truly general computing device not a media consumption device. I do of course use my machine to surf the web, communicate with family. play music, watch movies and play games of course. I also use it for programming, database design, db server, webserver, graphics design, 3d modelling, as a recording studio etc... etc...
Sometimes I even do some of these things at the same time.
It is precisely because the hardware & OS are so customisable that I choose these over apple. However if I did actually want a more locked in eco-system then I wouldn't choose windows 8 because apple already does it better - they have been doing it for ages.
The main problem with win 8 is that it is unfinished. If they had got to the point where you could spend all your time in the desktop or all your time in Metro and effectively never ever encounter the other unless you specifically choose to I don't think it would have been a problem.
I can't understand why they don't architect the OS to allow the user to choose a GUI paradigm which suits their workflow. Windows would be undisputed king if the user could choose from multiple GUIs to suit their style in linux fashion.
Business would be happy, power-users would be happy, consumers would be happy. Apple would be sad.
Microsoft have never really got their heads around the concept of enticing customers with excellence rather than forcing customers to accept mediocrity.
er.. hasn't microsoft always owned the PC gaming market? For me & all my friends my age it is what drove us into the PC market from the 486's onwards. I certainly don't remember anyone buying a mac to play F1GP, or Doom or Duke Nukem 3d, or Quake etc... etc.... etc...
At least from where I am sitting, the early PC gaming domain was the main driver for consumer ownership of PCs. Before ubiquitous internet connections it was pretty much the only reason a PC ever made it into the home.
Maybe I have missed the point though?
Disclaimer: I am very hungry but don't want to do the dishes before making lunch :(
It's not illegal because they are not monitoring YOUR connection. They are merely connecting to a swarm. If you log all the ip addresses your torrent client connects to is that illegal? Nope.
After applying the update 3 times flash player still says it is version 11.3.300.270 instead of 11.3.300.271
Maybe thye need to patch the patch?
Surely the same place as the court drew it?
The fact is that Telefonica has blocked www.thepiratebay.se as they were ordered to. I believe there are still plenty of smaller ISPs who have not been legally obliged to block access to this URL. So changing your ISP is a perfectly valid, if long and tedious and potentially 'workaround'
However it is no different semantically from the other ways in which you can easily circumvent this block so surely you are put in the same legal position?
As far as I know know one has said it is illegal to discuss alternative methods of arriving at TPB, if they have please share?
I would have thought that The fact that the cleanfeed block can be circumvented instantly without any use of proxies or VPN would be newsworthy in itself?
Perhaps you should be writing a scathing article on the uselessness of even using DPI to block the site due to the fact that certain essential internet technologies exist to prevent DPI? This is supposed to be a technology site after all right?
Instead you increase the level of censorship on the internet in the UK when you are too scared to publish opinions and perfectly legal discussion on the subject.
It makes a mockery of your stance on the Great Firewall of China and other censorship issues.
Have you spoken to a lawyer about the legality of publishing readers methods of reaching TPB? Perhaps you could at least publish an article on that, or ask outlaw.com? You seem to get the rest of your legal news from them
So apparently this perfectly legal 'workaround' is let past by the moderators, but the other perfectly legal 'workaround' that I posted isn't?
You should at least be consistent in your moderation. Already this thread contains methods x,y and z but apparently method y is censored?
Re: Still accessible for me
Well today is yesterday's tomorrow & it is still working this morning. Maybe they did just go for DNS poisoning (I use alternative DNS servers), or they failed to successfully implement their block.
Re: tell you tomorrow
they could do if they wanted, they don't host any content. The entire contents of the TPB would fit at least 4 times over on my shared hosting.
The point is the possibility exists for companies to get sued for blocking access to non-censored site.
I'm pretty sure the banks and online retailers would fight that, although maybe they will introduce a system of authorised only encryption tunnels anything else gets you 10 years in jail in case you're a kiddy fiddler or piwate.
It is obviously a clever scheme to increase the technical knowledge of the average UK internet user, including all the paedophiles who can now almost legitimately ask in forums how to evade a Cleanfeed block without being identifiable as a kiddy fiddler.
They obviously didn't think of the children when they ordered this.
tell you tomorrow
I am on Be - they will be implementing the block overnight tonight.
Blocking the IP would also block any other sites hosted on the same server and spoofing the DNS is trivial to circumvent & against the RFC.
Apparently VM used Cleanfeed to filter the url, not sure how this works maybe DPI to filter the URL?
Re: Windows 8
"....it has ALWAYS been felt that the desktop itself is a rather clunky way of providing content to the end user, which is - after all - the purpose of computing devices, be they traditional desktops, laptops, phones, or even set-top boxes."
This ridiculous statement is the reason for the Metro problem. Delivering content is only one small use of a computer, albeit one that makes a lot of people a lot of money. I don't see content delivery as the primary function of an operating system though.
Many people want to continue to use their computers as general purpose, programmable tools for problem solving, content creation, data organisation and analysis etc...
The vast number of ways in which people can make use of computers can't ever be encompassed by a single non configurable UI paradigm. A highly configurable environment must surely be better for general purpose computing?
However there is another problem here. If a large OS making corporation were able to make the perfect OS interface, what would they do next? The primary focus is not to create the best OS in the world it is only to make money. Sadly for them and us making money relies on people consuming, and SW companies have to find ways to make us consume more frequently to keep the money machine turning over.
For MS as long as the OEM's pay to pre-install the OS on boxes, they have made their money.
I moved my aging parents to linux a couple of years ago and have had a much quieter life since - although I had to switch them from Ubuntu to Mint when the unity nightmare automatically installed on their machines. They need the discoverability of a menu / window driven interface. They are not inclined to try swiping the mouse in various parts of the screen experimenting to see if it makes the computer do anything.
Even someone with no qualificattions or experience in UI design can see that there are many situations and users for whom Metro is utterly unsuitable.
How is it for accessibility BTW?
As an avid F1 fan
On GP days I find myself using i browser window for the driver tracker, a second for the in-car view a third for the pit-camera and a fourth for the live timing screen, all across my dual screens, whilst watching the TV coverage on er...the telly.
Can someone from microsoft tell me how I will achieve this under metro?
It doesn't just relate to cookies. Calling it the cookie law is deceptive because it applies to any data placed on the client's machine by a website for the purposes of identification or tracking. Someone could create a different implementation and call it 'crumbs' but if it stores anything client side for identification or tracking the PECR still apply.
As far as I know Google have been utterly silent on this and since our government is one of only a couple of countries dumb enough to write this into law they may well just ignore it until the whole thing implodes and is forgotten.
Re: Is this legal?
It has not spoken to me since...
Re: Is this legal?
Sorry about the typos. I introduced my desktop to 250ml of sparkling water last Friday and 20 years of touch typing doesn't really prepare you for a little x61 keyboard. :/
Re: Is this legal?
The law isn't actually reall about cookies. It is the storing of any sort of data client-side (I believe ) that allows the tracking of the user.
It sounds like your code is..
1) an essential part of the service being provided to the user
2) not storing tracking data on the users machine.
So you sound fine to be.
The best thing to do is go to the ICO, read the reams of vague non-technical advice. Read how they may or may not prosecute you on a whim and then come away probably knowing no more than you do now.