2021 posts • joined 3 Sep 2007
chicken, egg, etc.
I'm not sure if the effort should be admired or ridiculed. I guess Samsung is really not happy to be dependent on Google.
I wonder why they are going for Russia first. Maybe that is considered an easier big market where Microsoft is not already trying to grab whatever's left after Android and iOs…? I'm not sure it helps finding developers, though.
Re: Price of iron?
Unless people like Google have found out how to build thousands of powerful servers much more cheaply than experienced manufacturers like IBM. If so, they could indulge in vertical integration and make their own servers instead of buying them.
Unless I'm mistaken, Google (and Facebook, and Amazon, and Microsoft) have been doing that for years. This is not necessarly because they have more knowledge than IBM, but because they have very specific needs, and can take some very specific shortcuts.
One example is that IBM servers, even when built for racks, seem to have graphic cards. I would be extremely surprised if cloud giants bothered with such a thing for machines in their data centres.
However, the A29WP will not be producing any such guidelines for search engines.
Do they plan to contribute at all to the process of figuring out what is the so-called right to be forgotten? Or do they want Google to keep blundering in the dark until they get sued again, and a new ruling of the ECJ adds one more data point?
Sorry, but no. That is incorrect.
If there is a web page mentioning John Smith and Joe Bloggs, and Joe Bloggs asks Google to remove the link from search results for his name, the web page will still show up when searching for John Smith, as it will for any other queries that are relevant, such as "bothering a goat" or such.
Re: The polluter pays...
The analogy is poor on multiple fronts. On one hand, this is blaming the river for being polluted. On the other hand, what they call "pollution" is what Google thinks people want to read. The reason the links appear in results is because users liked them, and have clicked on them.
By just calling it pollution and blaming it on Google, the ICO are avoiding their job, which would be to define what is pollution in the first place…
But hey, if they want Google to decide what is in the public interest, they only have to say the word. I'm sure Google will be very happy to go back to displaying everything like before the ruling happened.
Re: Why have I vanished?
The warning shows up for practically any search result that looks like a name. This is Google's way to "be transparent" and warn users that the "pure Google results" may have been tampered with, without actually pointing the finger to the individuals who asked for results to be removed. They tend to act a bit like a Prima Donna on the subject.
But despite the warning, chances are nothing has been removed at all from results when you search for your name, and in the unlikely event that it has, it would be for articles that are about the other guy who has the same name.
Isn't that the reverse?
The way it looks to me, it's not that Almunia finds Google's proposition insufficient and is giving to Google yet another chance. It's rather that every time he declares himself satisfied, and every time he faces a barrage of complaints through every channel asking him to demand more from Google, or if possible, drop the whole settlement idea.
What is happening now is not that Google gets another chance to revise its offer, it's that the competitors get another chance to complain. Almunia has not even asked Google to change anything at this moment.
And the fun part is that even though this has been four years, it is the fast process. If Almunia eventually decides to go with the flow and start an antitrust investigation of Google, we'll still be waiting for the end in ten years.
Feels like déjà vu
Seems like every few months, it is announced that Almunia, under pressure, will reexamine once more the complaints of the competitors. As if there was anything new to the debate. So far, he's always decided to go ahead, though. It's impressive he's still willing to fight for this settlement, considering the quantity of people, regulators and politicians, who dream of sticking it to the Google.
"disrupt the process"
I think the only thing Google has to do to disrupt the process is to say: "We are looking forward to implement the rules exactly as you gentlemen will agree them to be." Chances of the countries agreeing on small details is practically nil.
Maybe we will end up with some links removed from google.de and google.fr, but not google.it and google.co.uk, because minority persons are granted an additional 3 points of forgettability, but only in countries where the minority group is officially recognized as such...
Re: Verizon can STFU & FOAD, Kthxbai.
I sense much anger in you!
Re: Now ? @Ratfox
Yeah, well, the law disagrees with your humble opinion there. Even criminals have rights. Their mugshots may be public, but their image is still their property to defend.
Re: Now ?
Things like that can and have been done. One famous case is Roman Polanski suing in UK Vanity Fair (published in US), without ever leaving France. If Call Of Duty is sold in Germany or some other country with strong privacy laws, then it might well be possible for Noriega to sue them there and win.
+1 for numbers per manufacturer. Apple has very few models; in fact, it has only two new models, and the older ones serve as cheap options. Samsung has many different models, so it makes sense that none of them would be top seller.
But more importantly, it would be nice to have actual numbers, instead of just a ranking. As of now, the iPhone 5S could sell ten times more than all other phones combined, or 1% more from the second ranked… As it is, I find the report next to useless.
Re: slagging off the competition
I don't think Samsung invented this kind of ads… I remember a series of ads from last decade, comparing a cool young guy who was buying from a trendy company, and an boring old man who was buying the "standard". I think the second guy was a "PC", and I can't quit remember what the other one was…
Google getting involved in car making is likely as popular in Detroit as the Chocolate firm’s decision among handset makers to buy Nokia’s phone business... which is to say, not.
You mean Microsoft, right? Or Google buying Motorola, maybe?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
If I had to code that ping thing, I'd hack it in a scripting language like python, for minimum amount of coding time and risk. If you manage to write a ping program that crashes the machine, you have no business being a programmer anyway.
Now, trying to write a ping program in C so that it is the most efficient possible sounds to me like a waste of engineering time, make it more work to maintain, and in the end you are if anything more likely to have a memory leak.
"extended stay in shelters.”
The thing is, Israelis hardly need to stay in shelters. Whatever rockets the Hama's is throwing at them has a miserable effect. If you live in Israel, you have orders of magnitude more chance to die of cancer, in a car accident, or of old age than from terrorist attacks.
When they threaten Israel, Hamas really underscore how much they are powerless.
Re: Idiot's Solution
To top it all you can even charge the batteries using the internal combustion engine for maximum inefficiency!
As opposed to using your brakes to generate useless heat? You have to look a bit further than your nose to solve complex problems. E.g, band energy and peak energy don't have the same worth.
You think all the taxis are switching to hybrids because it looks cool? They looked at the average consumption of a Prius, and they know how much they are saving.
Will have to remove the bloat first
I'm afraid Microsoft has forgotten all how they managed to make us buy new computers in order to
runcrawl their latest OS.
…to switch to Linux!
I vaguely remember a time where there was basically one way to watch a movie, or perhaps two until Betamax died and VHS reigned supreme. Now, it seems like there are a dozen different options with attached trade-offs and lock-ins.
Why did we end up in this situation? Or maybe I am wrong in regretting the good old times? Were we getting fleeced by the monopoly offer?
That I don't live in the US, I mean.
"I’m baffled as to why you’d elect to take so moral a tack, which is, in and of itself, morally suspect. As the pornographer in this conversation, I should be the one surrounded by an air of moral turpitude."
Truly, this paragraph is full of win.
There's no such thing as bad publicity. Thanks to this lawsuit, thousands of lawyers are going to know she exists. Few of them are above making a silly lawsuit for a big splash of fame.
Notably missing from the "Tech Giants": Oracle, Apple, Microsoft, Samsung…
The next world war will be a patent war.
Re: what's missing?
If data is not on Google, you can hope another search engine will find it. If nobody can find it, then the data might as well not exist…
Mostly due to the disparity in job applicants, but can still do better.
The Reg shan't reveal any details, in line with the BBC's plea to keep the scripts under wraps.
You guys rock!
You've got to be kidding me
First, Google is told it is illegal to keep links that are irrelevant. And now, it is said to be illegal to remove links that are relevant?
This would mean that no matter what it shows, Google can be sued for showing or not showing what somebody does not like? And the right to decide what is correct belongs to the courts?
No wonder they are complaining like hell about it.
Re: Asking for a court order
Given Google were specifically ordered by the ECJ to examine requests themselves first, asking every time for a court order would likely get them attacked for being deliberately obstructive, wasting taxpayer money and trying yet again to avoid following the law.
I'm not sure either why you get the idea that the courts would be able to handle the load of requests. The numbers quoted give 50'000 requests in a month. You think the ICO can handle that?
Normally, people complain that Google are ignoring regulators; but here, you are complaining Google are doing exactly as they were told.
Soon, people using Tor will automatically be suspected. A bit like any bit torrent activity is supposed to be pirating.
You don't produce breakthrough technology by only relying on what's already available, I guess…?
Re: Prius attracts ridicule?
Yes, it's especially great for taxis, which tend to get stuck in the traffic. Not sure what the spite is about? Must be an Australian thing.
The taxi industry is overregulated to protect the incumbents. If the cabbies think Uber is making too much money, they should join.
Coming soon: exciting new developments in wearable computing!
Re: To what end?
In the first place, this can only work if people are willing to forget. It is enough to have one enemy who writes every month about you, and you will never get rid of your past.
The right to be forgotten only works for people nobody cares about… Which sounds about right.
Damned if they do…
I really would like to point out that if Google bounced every request to the ICO, they would automatically get attacked for bogging down the system and trying yet again to worm their way out of obeying the ECJ's ruling. I'm sure the last thing Google wants is to piss off the European regulators some more.
Ten says the user saw an incomprehensible email about banking stuff, and reported it as a phishing attempt!
Re: re: Because, yes, other people created better browsers.
Firefox has a market share that is comparable to IE, and they got there without using a monopoly position in anything.
Re: Google in a nutshell.
You seem to imply that Google in effect steals its weather data from around the web… However, a bit of searching reveals that Google gets its data from Weather Underground: http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/features_list.html#weather
It is reasonable to assume that they do pay for it.
This is not the issue. The issue is, should Google show data on top of the page, or should it have the user click on one of the result links? The first is easier for the user, and the second is better for competition. But in the end, the reason competition is considered good is only to ensure the user gets good service. This is why Almunia said once "My mission is to protect competition to the benefit of consumers, not competitors."
Read the article
Actually, as explained in the article, this is not yet a crime. As opposed to murders, which are already a crime every day even though there are no specific laws for each day.
Re: Can't see the gray area here
I understand that the laws of some States make such restrictions illegal… So, just because something was signed or agreed to does not means it is legally binding.
E.g many of the T&Cs of popular web services contain stuff that would not be upheld by a court.
There wouldn't be many interesting analytical articles if they were only allowed to predict what happened in the past.
Re: Eventual forced replacement?
"Existing users with the app can continue to use it, but no features will be added and new users will not be able to install the app"
I'd assume that installed apps stay installed after updates…? But let's say that in three-four years, it will simply stop working properly with Android Popsicle.
Re: More "management versus labor" mentality
I've never met an employee with kids that does more hours than an employee that doesn't have children
You might not have looked closely; it's called confirmation bias. In any case, as a different data point, the guy who works the longest hours in my team is a father.
OT, I can believe that having some leeway makes you more happy and productive. However, I'd say that working at home full-time (the way it was accepted at Yahoo before Marisa Meyer) only works well for very few people in a small number of positions.
What about North Korea?
I'd have thought it was ranked even lower…
I don't get it
I thought Aperture was a successful product. Why are they axing it? Isn't Apple's general strategy to offer quality software to get people to buy its hardware?
Yes. That why they wrote "it's not reasonable".
Also, Amazon is making a profit on this.
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