* Posts by Mike Moyle

1715 publicly visible posts • joined 8 Feb 2007

Fatties are 'destroying the world'

Mike Moyle
Devil

Re: Odd

Don't think of it as "overeating" -- rather, we are doing our part to help the world by sequestering more carbon than skinnies and should be applauded rather than vilified.

Germany reveals secret techie soldier unit, new cyberweapons

Mike Moyle

Re: Weird morals...

You're apparently confused because you're conflating two issues.

1 -- "it's normal to research and plan for a war where you'd flatten a country with explosives, tanks and nukes," so that you are READY to fight that war when the civil authorities DECLARE war and ORDER you to fight it.

2 -- It is NOT (or, at least, SHOULDN'T) be normal for a military to initiate offensive actions (physical or otherwise) against across national borders WITHOUT the civil authorities' declaration of a state of war.

One is POTENTIAL action; one is ACTUAL. One places the military in a SUBORDINATE position to civil authority; one places it ABOVE civil authority. See the differences?

The German army's new HYDRA corps (Sorry... That was my first thought when I saw the headline.) has been operational for 5 years and the civil authorities -- quite rightly, IMO -- want to know whether they have planned POTENTIAL action outside of Germany's borders or taken ACTUAL ones without civil authorization.

HBO wants royal price for Iron Throne

Mike Moyle

Hmmm...

7 x 6 x 5.5'...

Well, I suppose if you can afford $30K for a chair, you can afford to have all of the doors widened so you can get the thing from the driveway to the living room.

Not for renters, then...

Touchscreens to get finger friendly

Mike Moyle
Happy

@ auburnman

Admitting that you might have overreacted in an El Reg forum post...?

You're not from around here, are you? <gr>

Leaked Apple inventory list hints at new non-iOS hardware

Mike Moyle

Re: Price comparison

Sorry -- don't know when the "WTF" icon got clicked. That wasn't intended as an editorial comment Mr. or Ms Walrus.

Mike Moyle
WTF?

Re: Price comparison

The Dell defaulted to NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295 w/256 MB -- I didn't change that, the Mac has an ATI Radeon 5770 w/1 GB. Curiously, the HP was one of several on the page that has "not included" in the graphics card space.

The ATI has a faster graphics clock and more memory; the NVIDIA has faster shader and memory speeds and NVIDIA's apparently (anecdotal -- haven't dug deeply into it) shaky record with drivers for OS X.

Mike Moyle
FAIL

Re: Does Anna have some overwhelming need to insult Apple users?

"She's just pointing out that the biggest Apple is terribly overpriced and underpowered and that there's about $7billion of people out there willing to part with their monies for that."

Apple'3 Mac Pro ($4,999):

12 cores (2.66 GHz Xeon), 6 GB RAM, 1TB HD

HP's Z820 Workstation ( $4,999):

8 cores (2.0 GHz Xeon), 4 GB RAM, 500GB HD

Dell's T7500 Workstation ($5,524):

12 cores (2.66 GHz Xeon) , 6 GB RAM, 1 TB HD

(All sourced from the manufacturer's sites)

WHO'S "terribly overpriced and underpowered"?

Lard-busting specs trick snack-happy Japanese

Mike Moyle
Coat

Does these work on anything...?

Makes things in the wearer's hand look bigger... Tricks the wearer into feeling more full...

...Any chance of buying a pair for the girlfriend?

LOHAN sucks Reg reader's instrument to death

Mike Moyle
Coat

Re: The ubiquitous bricks

"'use some different bricks for a change, for the love of all that's holy.'"

The bricks aren't holy enough for Sr. Eloy? They look quite hole-y enough to me.

Samsung snafu grounds blue Galaxy S III

Mike Moyle
Devil

"... a newly invented blue colour and special hyperglaze material"

So bow Samsung is copying Apple's overblown marketing verbiage, too?

Trekkie wants to build USS Enterprise … in twenty years

Mike Moyle

Re: Hmmmm...

"...what sort of font it's supposed to be, etc."

It's Microgramma Bold Extended.

(Trek geek AND font geek. I believe that I still have my original Franz Josef Trek Tech Manual with the type specs around somewhere.)

US mayor and son charged with hacking into opposition site

Mike Moyle

Re: You've GOT to be trolling.

Well, they say the devil recognizes his own...

"The normally apathetic middle class in the US has woken up since 2008 and is taking more of an interest in their government than ever before, and generally they are against handouts and subsidies (staples of the Democrat election process)."

Or if you're not trolling, perhaps you meant "The normally apathetic middle class in the US has woken up since 2008 and is taking more of an interest in their government than ever before, and generally they are against handouts and subsidies to the rich (staples of the Republican election machine)."

What's copying your music really worth to you?

Mike Moyle
Devil

Re: Economic harm?

@ John Sturdy:

<i?"I'm pretty sure that musicians ate before the recording industry existed, and will continue to do so if the music industry disappeared.

I think I may even have seen old (possibly mediaeval) paintings showing musicians eating even before there were any recording technologies"</i>

...If they were eating in the paintings, instead of playing how do you know that they were the musicians...?

Road deaths spark crackdown on jaywalking texter menace

Mike Moyle
Devil

Re: Darwin Rules; also Re: Had to break suddenly just the other day

@AC 14:46 "...iZombie pedestrians.:

@cornz1 "...Podestrians...

Y'know -- if more Android smartphones are sold than iPhones (as Android fans gleefully chortle about whenever the subject comes up) then, without actual numbers being presented, we have to assume that, statistically, the majority of people texting in traffic are DroidDroids rather than iZombies.

@AC13:39 "...iSuppository device...

Is that what one uses when one has a major case of And-rrhoids...?

ARM creators Sophie Wilson and Steve Furber

Mike Moyle
Coat

@ breakfast -- Re: IBM ROMP vs. ARM

Ah...! You're thinking of the ShortARM™ project.

How politicians could end droughts forever But they don't want to

Mike Moyle
Coat

Re: Math error: I saw the New

"I saw the new about that on the TV"

...And did you call the Missus to tell her "The news are on"?

'Apple will coast, and then decelerate' says Forrester CEO

Mike Moyle
FAIL

Re: I agree with the premise, but not the reasoning.

"In reality, Apple will fade once people realize that iFads are bloody expensive toys, not actually useful work platforms."

Curious... I've been doing useful and reasonably well-remunerated work on them for over 20 years.

Have you considered the possibility that your conception of "useful work" is in error?

LOHAN ideas..

Mike Moyle

Re: Launch condition optimisations

If you're worried about pendular swing, the easiest solution would be to damp it by hanging a weight from the bottom point of the whole megillah (from the bottom of the backplate?), using a long cord of a different length from the main balloon tether. A long, thin fiberglas rod with a weight on the end, hanging from a swivel shackle off of the backplate might be even better -- you just want something with a different period from the main tether and any oscillations should damp each other. You could even use two rods, of different lengths shackled together with the weight hanging from the bottom of the lower rod to really break the rhythms up, but that may be overkill. Of course, this DOES add weight to the ascender, but has the advantage of NOT adding significant complexity.

Mike Moyle

Backplate/Rubber Bumper

On the diagram, you show a rubber pad on the backplate -- presumably there to keep the nozzle /tail from getting damaged by bumping into the aluminum plate. (If this assumption is incorrect, you can probably ignore the rest of this post.)

I might suggest -- either along with or in place of the plate-bumper -- a stop on the launch rod designed to hold the plane away from the plate. Two possibilities that occur are:

1 -- a ring with a set-screw (so that you can adjust its position on the rod, then lock it into place) with a cushioning pad between the ring and the launch-glides, or;

2 -- a segment of the same tube used to line the launch-glides, sufficiently long to rest on the plate and to hold the tail of the rocket away from it, glued onto the rod.

Using a segment of the tube glued securely onto the rod -- but ONLY at the base near the backplate -- could have a secondary advantage: Since it appears to be reinforced with spirals of stiff filament or wire, then there should be some mechanical friction if the ends of two sections of tube should butt against each other, somewhat in the manner of lock-washers. This rotational friction between the ends of the buffer tube and the launch-guide tube, and the resistance of the reinforcing spiral fibers to uncoil may (I think!) serve to damp some of the swing of the plane on the launch-rod that seems to have so many commentators concerned. Attaching the buffer tube at the base, while leaving the end free to rotate slightly, then to "recoil" from the increased tension in the spiral filaments, should tend to resist the airplane's rotation and to push it back to a "neutral" position on the rod.

'Attitudes to robot sex will change'

Mike Moyle
Coat

Re: Nothing for the girls?

"No an(as in male)droids?"

Are you kidding...? You'll get the best of both worlds: You'll have a mobile Android with an iPud.

(If it counts for anything, I'm really very, very sorry about that one...)

Gemini outs trio of budget Android 4 tablets

Mike Moyle

Re: dozens...

"I asked for a similar product round-up some months ago and Reg delivered(...)"

I was thinking a couple of weeks ago as I was looking into low-end-tablets (being a cheap bastard) that, with the field changing so quickly, it would be extremely useful i some enterprising tech site (hint, hint...!) would do, say, a quarterly round-up/comparison of what's available at the top end of the low end. Maybe pick an arbitrary price point -- half the price of a base-level of the latest iPad iteration, maybe, as a floating target to account for inflation, and see what's the best below that price point (Today: $250/£156).

Austrian village considers a F**king name change

Mike Moyle

Oh, great...

"Consequently, Fucking's frustrated burghers are considering whether to substitute a g, or even two gs, for the crucial ck sound."

Well, I suppose that at least they'll limit the sign thefts to sniggering Norman Mailer fans.

Apple trails behind world+Microsoft in 'Flashback' malware debacle

Mike Moyle

Re: Hah! - Do you really expect all MacOS users

"For the slightly more sensible of that crowd, assuming always that they exist outside my increasingly desperate fantasies..."

Not to put too fine a point on it but, considering the number of sensible Apple users -- including, I would like to think, myself -- who post on this site, it seems that your "increasingly desperate fantasies" may revolve more around your own arrogant expression of your oft-stated antipathy to Apple and its users than around the users themselves. Like the true troll, you seem to be able to ignore any evidence that doesn't fit your preconceived notions. Many of us use Macs, Windows, and Linux machines interchangeably; besides the Mac that I normally work on, I have a Windows box sitting directly to my right, for those times when Windows Server and OS X can't agree to play nicely together. I haven't actually had to turn it on in the past couple of weeks, but it IS there, because I tend to be a "belt-and-braces" kind of guy. This is also why, despite the -- historically -- general dearth of malware for OS X, I have used Sophos anti-malware software on my machines for some years and occasionally double-check them by running ClamX-AV software on disks that Sophos says are clear.

"Besides which, and speaking as a working IT support professional, I don't want ex-Apple-zealots for users! Christ almighty, I'd rather support an old folks' home -- while probably not any more familiar with the equipment than, say, a graphic designer would be, older folks are at least somewhat likely to recognize the uses of politeness, and I'd rather listen to a codger's stories than a crayon-pusher's any day."

As a working graphic designer -- who not only supports/upgrades his own Macs, at the office and at home, but is the first person that the folk in the office (a large-ish municipal government department) come to for assistance with workgroup printer issues (hardware and software) and problems with their Windows machines, before even CONSIDERING putting their request into the MIS helldesk queue -- I don't find your attitude "professional" at all. Your "...somewhat likely to recognize the uses of politeness..." is particularly laughable, considering your own apparent inability to grasp the concept.

And, BTW -- Pen/brush and ink, Photoshop, InDesign, Freehand/Illustrator, SolidWorks and Blender for 3-D, OpenOSX Grass for GIS (when I don't feel like booting up the Winbox to run ArcView), HyperEngine-AV/Premiere for video editing, and... Oh, look... Buried in the bottom drawer of my desk... I *DO* have a box of crayons... one that I bought to keep the office-mates' tykes amused for "Bring Your Child to Work Day" some years ago and haven't had need for since...

So in all fairness, given that I *DO* have a box of crayons in my desk and they *HAVE* ended up getting "pushed" to the back of the drawer over time, I suppose that I MUST allow you one point in the accuracy of your screed. Other than that, however, it's appears to be all fail.

'Unibody' iPhone 5 said to debut in October

Mike Moyle
Coat

"(...) any attempt to reach Foxconn's HR headman about the October rumor would be futile. They tried and were rebuffed – he had gone "on vacation", they were told."

"...on vacation..." I'm not up on the latest PRC-speak: Is that the current term for "sent for re-education" or for "taken out back and shot"?

Hacktivist 'Hardcore Charlie' claims China military hack

Mike Moyle

Re: Re: Lukk- I kan spel funny tou.

It helps if you read it in Jar-Jar Binks voice.

Google shows off Project Glass augmented reality specs

Mike Moyle
Coat

Re: Project Glass?

"They should have pissed everyone off by calling it iWindows."

Either way, it'll be a pane.

Mike Moyle

These could be very useful...

Because I ABSOLUTELY want Google to be able to pop a banner ad or an "important" alert up in my field of vision while I'm walking down a flight of stairs. The money will come in handy for my next of kin.

OTOH, to be fair, a simpler version of this could be REALLY useful if, say, I could have a manual hanging directly in front of me WHILE I'm looking into the guts of whatever it is I'm trying to repair/upgrade (I'm not a hardware person by either trade or inclination; I'm just a cheap bastard).

Arizona bill makes it illegal to 'annoy or offend' online

Mike Moyle

Seems pretty clear to me...

If you threaten or abuse someone IN PERSON in Arizona -- where they have "Stand Your Ground" and essentially-universal "Concealed Carry" laws -- they can legally shoot you. They can't shoot you over the interwebz for doing the same thing, and that is simply unacceptable!

...I begin to think that we can add Southern Californians, Arizonans, Texans, and Floridians to the list of "mad dogs and Englishmen" who spend too much time in the midday sun.

UK government says no to turbo e-bike

Mike Moyle

Doesn't seem too unreasonable to me.

If you want to go more than 25 MPH under powered drive alone, then they want you to have a license, etc., since what you have at that point is a motorized vehicle.

You are still allowed to go over 25 MPH on a motor-ASSISTED vehicle... No one is stopping you except for a lard-assed inability to pedal at 10 MPH.

Also, at a quick glance, the proportions on the Specialized bike don't look THAT different from a standard bike with a tire pump attached to the frame diagona. Thus, while it's pretty obvious when some idiot is riding a moped or scooter under power on the sidewalk it would be less so with one of these. (I'm going on the, perhaps unwarranted, assumption that the penalties for riding a bicycle on the sidewalk -- usually a local ordinance, if it's prohibited at all -- are different from driving a motor vehicle there.)

FBI nabs AWOL soldier for stealing Paul Allen's debit card

Mike Moyle
FAIL

Re: Bah!

"(...) scaredy-cat legal beartraps."

So, if you were arrested and charged with a crime (let's go for broke and say kiddy-fiddling), you would be happy with all the news articles referring to you as "child molester <Stevie'sRealName>...", rather than pointing out that you're only accused and haven't been convicted yet...?

Plastic that SELF-REPAIRS using light unleashed by prof

Mike Moyle

Re: they may have shafted the DOD...

"I bet a £ to a penny that its not ever going to be quick enough for battlefield use. They are not going to discard something in the arena that will fix itself for the enemy to come along and pick up."

OTOH, not everything gets abandoned on the battlefield; some equipment DOES get taken back to a repair depot. I suspect that in the future the equation will be roughly the same as it is now "How expensive/critical/replaceable/repairable is this unit? Is it too damaged to be worthwhile sending back? If some parts are self-repairing, that could change the equation.

Tiny pile of Windows 8 ARM slabs slated for October

Mike Moyle
WTF?

Re: The El Reg Bubble

...blink...

I'm sorry...? Did I miss something...?

Where did Mr. Clarke make either of those claims in the article that you're commenting on...?

...Or are you one of those random-word-generating spambots?

Mike Moyle
Coat

I can see the advertising now...

Apple had "I'm a Mac."

Microsoft followed that with "I'm a PC and Windows 7 was my idea."

HP (I think...?) went with "I'm [Name] and this is my PC."

The Arm-based tablets will have "WOA is me!"

Viewsonic Viewpad 10e tablet

Mike Moyle

Almost there...

I could probably live with the battery life and the no-usb charging -- how big/heavy is the charging unit...? If it's a bitty iPod-sized one then that's not too bad for occasional carrying around. (And how come I never seem to hear anyone ranting about non-user-swappable batteries being deal-breakers anymore, now that Apple's not the only one shipping them...? <gr>)

For me, the problem is the 4GB storage. Sure, you can add SD cards, but as long as there are apps that won't run from SD cards, then they're not *REALLY* as useful as having on-board storage.

Still, they ARE getting closer to what I'm looking for; they're just not qu-i-i-i-i-ite there yet.

Lawyers of Mordor menace Hobbit boozer

Mike Moyle

Name change

"The Habbit"

The advertising fairly writes itself: "Get in The Habbit", "Make (Whatever) Night a Habbit", etc.

...Or just pronounce it with a broad "a", as in "To-MAH-to"

EC: Apple claimed Motorola demanded ALL ITS PATENTS

Mike Moyle

Re: Hmm

"I have no idea what size Apple's non-SEP portfolio is..."

According to the US Patent & Trademarks Office site, Apple has a total of 4649 patents awarded and 2945 pending. Unfortunately, they don't separate out SEP patents. The list also, I believe, only lists patents initially assigned to Apple directly and may not include those that Apple received through acquisitions or swaps or patents on which Apple is a co-holder (h.264 through its membership in MPEG LA, I think...?). Further, some number of those listed are design patents (the infamous "rounded rectangle" that so many fume over) and some are technical patents ("Method and apparatus for improved duration modeling of phonemes in a speech synthesis system," to pick one at random). What the split is I don't know.

I think that it may be the design patents that could be the sticking point. If Google owns Motorola and Motorola has access to all of Apple's design patents, this would seem to imply that Motorola could make and sell under their own label a tablet, say, that looks identical with an iPad, with a UI that looks identical with iOS. Now, it seems unlikely that Moto WOULD do that under their own brand, since it would be a tacit acknowledgement that they make "me too" products. OTOH, it appears that there would be nothing stopping them from setting up a new division with a new marque selling to the low end of the market with all that that implies -- resistive screen, bottom-of-the-line processor, cheesy build quality -- running an iOS-skinned Android on an iPad-looking device.

Build it like a Coby Kyros and sell it as "just like an Apple iPad" and I doubt that the fallout would take any gloss off of Motorola's reputation among the general public as much as it would off of Apple's ("If this is just like an iPad, then what's all the fuss about?"). And with the depth of Google's pockets subsidizing this, such a product line could survive to erode Apple's image in the mass market for far longer than a less cash-rich company could manage.

I dunno, but that's what I might be be thinking if I were a cynical sort of individual (...which, of course, I'm not...! ;-) ).

Stolen iPad leads to 780lb crystal meth seizure

Mike Moyle

Re: Once a crook......

We had a case some years ago where a State Trooper driving down the highway saw a rental truck being driven by a guy wearing (back then) Walkman earphones. He pulled the truck over and was gently explaining why this was unsafe when, it being a warm summer's day, he noticed a sweetish, greenish, resinous-ish aroma coming from the box of the truck. Getting -- grudging -- permission from the driver, he opened the back of the truck to find it filled floor to ceiling with black trash bags full of recently-harvested marijuana.

Lesson: If you're going to break the BIG laws, make sure that you always obey the LITTLE ones while you're doing so.

Wacom Cintiq 24HD interactive pen display

Mike Moyle

I have lusted after a Cintiq for years...

...and they're still out of my price range.

Back in the late '80s I did tech illustration for a (now defunct) computer company that was a beta test site for a company called Qubix Graphics Systems. Qubix had a pen-based "draw on the screen" UNIX-based workstation that was an illustrator's/draftsman's dream. The Qubix system was also fully adjustable from vertical to horizontal to mimic the illustrator's preferred drawing board set-up (Of course, since this was a honkin' big CRT screen back in the day, the adjustment was accomplished by an electric motor in the pedestal!). Ms Orr is correct -- there is NOTHING like the immediacy of working directly ON your image. Having to go back to drawing with a mouse on a horizontal surface while watching a vertical screen when I left the company was a wrenching experience.

Qubix, of course, got leapfrogged in the vector illustration market and put out of business by Adobe Illustrator and Aldus Freehand going directly to the personal computer which were, if not as exceptional an experience as the workstation, good enough and cheap enough that most everyone could get in on it. Coincidentally, the company that I was working for was heavily into the "mincomputer" business and ALSO got bypassed by the PC explosion and is no more. There's an irony there...

Audi shows off OLED-illuminated concept R8

Mike Moyle
Coat

Re: naff

"if i saw a car with the animated lights i would deliberatly ram the car. see how much that costs to fix! ha"

...Or keying, if one happens to be a pedestrian...

(Not that I would recommend anything illegal, of course... *a-HENH*!)

Linux PC-in-a-stick to cost coders £139

Mike Moyle
Devil

Re: Re: HDMI-powered?

...Should've gone Thunderbolt.

(Runs away...)

Dell: 'Now they see they HAVE to consider working with us'

Mike Moyle
Joke

Since it's Dell...

"There is no pull back and Dell has well over 700 people in Europe to service the channel."

...presumably, they mean "service" in the same sense that cattle farmers do.

Child abuse suspect won't be forced to decrypt hard drive

Mike Moyle

Re: Re: Re: I don't get it...

It should also be noted that -- at least in the Florida case -- the prosecution was trying to gather evidence to present to a Grand Jury, whose job it is to look at the evidence and see whether there is enough to warrant holding the accused over for trial. The (apparent) fact that the prosecution felt that they NEEDED whatever may have been on those hard drives in order to bring the case to trial implies that they really may not have had a very solid case at all and were going on a fishing expedition.

Once they had the drives in clear, there was, AFAIK, no limit to what they could look for -- they weren't limited to looking for child porn but could use anything they found (records of unreported freelance income, say) with which to pile added charges on. Too many prosecutors get ahead by following the policy attributed to Cardinal Richelieu: "Give me ten lines written by the most pious of men and *I* can find something with which to hang him!"

Xeroxiraptor: Boffins to print 3D robot dinosaur

Mike Moyle

Hmmm...

"The boffins will also be using the 3D printing technology to create a "virtual zoo of cretaceous New Jersey""

They're too late. "The Jersey Shore" has already been done.

Hey Commentard! - or is that Commenter?

Mike Moyle
Joke

Re: I am a commentard.

"(W)hat does offend me is that there's not nearly enough Autism related jokes out there..."

Well... there are, but you just aren't getting them...

(Thank you folks; you've been a lovely audience! We'll be here all week.!)

--------------------

As to the original article -- "Give me 'Commentard' or give me death!" (Or, for the more current take: "They can have my 'Commentard' when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!"). It has always reminded me of the French "Communards" -- another group full of sound and fury, accomplishing... pretty much nothing.

...So it has precedent and ironic aptness, if nothing else.

Proview wins new Chinese IPAD ruling as Apple threatens to sue

Mike Moyle

Re: Re: If Apple loses their appeal to the high court...

It all rather depends on whether this is officially-sanctioned criminal activity or not. While it LOOKS like it might be, given the court's seemingly skewed reading of the sale agreement, it COULD just be Beijing going along, rather than being an active participant.

Even if it is, if the head of ProView isn't tight with Li Keqiang and Xi Jinping (widely expected to become premier and president, respectively, this fall), then whatever ProView's status re "official crime" is now could change radically, particularly if Apple mooted the idea that $2 billion would go a long way towards setting up manufacturing lines somewhere like India or Thailand that already have tech manufacturing infrastructures in place and could use the jobs.

Mike Moyle

If Apple loses their appeal to the high court...

...then the solution seems clear.

If, as it appears from the documentation, ProView's "Taiwan division" did in fact sell something that it didn't own -- i.e.: the China rights to the name iPad -- then they committed fraud and should be charged criminally as well as sued in civil court in both China and Taiwan. Since I'm assuming that both countries have laws that prevent profiting from criminal activity, PeoView's putative $2 billion AND the original sale price (plus court costs, etc.) should be at risk.

IANAL, but that's how the situation reads to me, anyhow.

Iranians get some services back

Mike Moyle

I don't understand...

Where are Anonymous, LulzSec, Assange™, et al...?

Isn't this exactly the sort of stifling of free expression that they say they're against?

IT guy answers daughter's Facebook rant by shooting her laptop

Mike Moyle

Re: Did she learn anything?

Well, she doubtless learned that the proper response to a public tantrum is an even bigger public tantrum...

She doubtless learned that the best way to show your love for someone who is dependent on you is with public humiliation...

She doubtless learned that it's safer to bury any feelings that she might have from her over-reactive father than to deal with them openly...

She doubtless learned that the only rational, adult response to adolescent venting is gunfire...

...and, presumably, if her father is ever job-hunting in the future, she will then get to learn the dangers of posting video on the web which demonstrates that you can be an absolute fucknuckle when you are frustrated.

Revealed: Apple's plea for fairness in mobile patent war

Mike Moyle

Re: You lost me in the third paragraph

"The Coca-Cola bottle was specifically designed to be different and distinguish it from other products."

And if you look at a history of tablet computing, like this one: http://www.pcworld.com/article/188223/the_long_fail_a_brief_history_of_unsuccessful_tablet_computers.html

...or this one:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/history-tablet-pc-photos_n_538806.html#s77827&title=RAND_Tablet_1964

...you will see that Jonathan Ives' minimalist design WAS intended to be different from anything else that had previously been put forth as a tablet computer. Trade dress does not *have* to mean "the most decorated", it just has to be sufficiently *different* from anything that already exists in its market. Ives' design clearly met that criterion. Had Samsung been first to market with its tablet, then *its* trade dress would be the one that competitors would have to work to avoid appearing to imitate.

"If I was selling shoes and chose to sell them in a plain white shoebox should I qualify for a design patent?"

You would presumably have to show how your plain white box >>differed in an immediately obvious way<< from any other white box that had been used for shoes. If its design was distinctive enough -- if its appearance did not too closely resemble "prior art" -- then you possibly could. At that point, all the decision would mean is that no one else could deliver shoes in a box which looked like your distinctively-designed one. Other white boxes, as long as they were clearly designed NOT to look too much like your design, would likely be allowable.

I'm not saying anything about whether your shoebox example, or the Apple/Samsung decision is right or wrong; I'm just explaining the concept and the current law, as I understand them.