20 posts • joined 20 Jul 2007
we're safe here in the boonies
I understand it's going to be very dangerous in the future if we hand over control of too much. But rural areas will be safe, because we can't get online much anyway. The machines won't be able to control us. Dial up is still with us. When it works.
Well done Margaret Hodge, I watched the full hearing and she just kept coming back at them again and again but she still couldn't get answers. BT was shown up for what it really is. Let us hope she continues until its all as transparent as she wants it, and lets hope she doesn't let them class everyone as having 'superfast' unless they really do. Let us hope she can prise out of the councils the figures for the areas not covered, as I think they will be vast.
Let us hope that no more public money is wasted in this way, and government now channels it into altnets who can deliver more bang for our buck and help the people who are desperate for connectivity instead of just making a few who can already get a service go a bit faster.
Cabinets and copper are so yesterday, I know they will extend the monopoly for another decade so you can't blame BT, but what politicians can do is expose the truth. It isn't fibre broadband unless its fibre to the home. Our dial up comes from a fibre exchange... so does your fttc. a few more metres more of fibre feed doesn't make a lot of difference, its still coming through a victorian phone line to you. Ofcom should sort it.
It was a one horse race
The tenders were skewed to favour the incumbent, nobody else ever stood a chance. They will deploy their cabinets in lucrative areas and the digital divide will grow ever wider. Poor old blighty. We need a dads army to lay fibre to the rural areas and stop this monopoly wrecking what could have been a digital nation.
Considering that most people look for the cheapest deal, it stands to reason most people are on the cheaper packages, so the headline should have been 'BT continue to throttle and cap their customers unless you pay more' ???
fast train for a few or ubiquitous for the country?
Instead of a train saving a few minutes of a journey for a few, far better to get proper internet for all. It would save the government a fortune and easily pay for itself in the ROI. It would also save citizens a fortune too. It won't really work until everyone has access.
fibre is the answer for rural areas
a wireless or mobile cloud needs a fibre feed to function properly, so no rural areas will have that, and if they did then its a simple enough job to do fibre to the homes and businesses, and wireless and mobile could complement and sit on top of a real internet connection. Trying to substitute expensive alternatives won't work. The whole job will be to do again.
'upto' or 'downto'
I just hope ofcom sort out the telcos too, they should not be allowed to advertise 'upto' speeds that the majority can't get. Cabinet broadband should be advertised as 'down to 5 meg' and not the 'up to' 80meg that only people close to the cabinet can receive.
total rubbish BT and you Know it.
local monopolies are the competition BT need. They must be running scared of them to make an outburst. Usually they just ignore everyone. I would have thought they had conned enough councils into their superfast copper not to worry any more? I do wish they would stop calling it 'fibre broadband'. It isn't fibre unless its fibre to the home.
My dial up is fed by fibre from the local exchange. Superfast it ain't.
Cabinets are not the future. They are a stopgap to bring faster speeds to a few next to them, and to keep everyone tied to an old phone line.
In another few years everyone will realise this country has been held to ransom by a telco as we lag further behind the countries who have migrated to real fibre connectivity.
JFDI Power to the People
Well done, you are a true Jedi. You now get a better connection than more than half the people in so called digital britain. Proud of you.
reply from the inside...
http://localdata.citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/?p=351 I hope Eric has time to read this link, its a brilliant post from people on the inside...
infinity is a con
all infinity does is fibre to a cabinet, the broadband still comes through the old copper phone line. It means it isn't fibre broadband at all, but everyone has fallen for the con. It will mean a larger digital divide opens up, as the signal doesn't travel very far before it drops off, and so even more people will have rotten connections. Liv Garfield from BT has publicly stated that any areas getting Fibre to the Cabinet will not be upgraded. Another few decades stuck in the copper slow lane. Infinity my arse.
the fact is that small community networks have been built to provide connections for people in notspots with no broadband and have been under the radar. Now they will be taxed and will fold, as no profits are made on them to start with and are nearly all run by volunteers. That is why the blogsphere was up in arms last week. Do get a few facts together before you write them off as eejits. In this case it is you who is the eejit. sos.
I got a screen grab
I have the evidence it was trending even if twitter chooses to ignore it!
fibre is cheaper than copper
fibre is the way to go, the sooner the better. Copper is ok for phones. Real broadband needs fibre, what passes for broadband in this country isn't the real thing at all. Soon people will realise this. If the economics of FTTH isn't a sensible one to recoup investment then either the govt should build and own the infrastructure or they should stop saying we have broadband in this country cos we don't. Certain areas might have it but the vast majority get under a meg, and lots of people can't get even that, there are still many notspots. AQA say 44% of internet users in the uk are affected by their ISP not living up to connection speed claims. 63336.com
go for it
at last Europe may Do Something Useful
Ofcom haven't done anything bordering on useful in their entire existence. They have let the incumbent telco get away with passing off an obsolete copper network off as broadband, and the government have believed the job is done. Fibre to the kerb is an absolute minimum if we are to compete in the world economy. Fibre to the home would cost a fiver per house. The Government have their heads in the sand and I hope the commissioner makes them listen to sense instead of the jobsworths they listen to at ofcom and BT.
actually they are a bit stupid...
Most of the people in govt are stupid. Most of the people in BT just do their job and don't think, and pay fat cat wages and dividends to shareholders. That is their job...
Fibre to the home would cost an extra fiver on current ISP charges if it was rolled out to EVERYONE ie not just the 30p to the home townies.
The apps are out there, they just won't work here, so we stick with apps that do.
Since we lost our industries, (coal, clothing, steel, cars, farming etc etc) we have become a service country. To do this job we will need telecom infrastructure. The incumbent is not providing it. It says it is (21cn haha) and the government believe that what they are providing is broadband. It isn't.
try the community broadband site
cbncan dot co dot uk - info on the swedish project on there
every cloud has silver lining
Yes Mark, and it may also open up the eyes of government who believe the porkies BT tell them, such as 'the job is done' and 'broadband is available to all'. What a joke.
If the Iplayer is a success then every exchange in the country will fall apart. All BT care about is milking an obsolete copper network for every penny they can get from us, they put nothing back and pay out for fat cat salaries and advertising.
Nothing will work until they light the fibre and provide fibre to the home for everyone. This will cost less than a fiver to every home. Will they do it?
Not until they are forced, so lets hope everyone uses Iplayer....
We told you so...
We have been saying this would happen...
UKplc has obsolete infrastructure. 21cn will be no better.
Light the fibre.
(You must live in Nomansland)
I don't live in No mans land
I live in a rural area, close to a city and lots of people round here can't get even half a meg through the obsolete copper.
there are many people in this country like us, read the notspot survey to see how many.
BT is letting the network go to the dogs. FTTH can be done for less than a fiver per home.
They would rather milk the obsolete copper network for a few more years then they will hand it over to the government and say 'you upgrade it' and the shareholders will be very amused.
and very rich
what passes for broadband in this country should be free as it doesn't cost them much to provide, so once we have paid our line rental that should cover it.
Fibre is worth paying for, because that is real broadband.
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