the definition I would use
If it can easily run multiple applications at once, I would define it as a smart phone. If it can only single task, I would call it a feature phone.
I wouldn't call the early iPhones smart phones.
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Quite how they expected to retain Symbian fans, I totally fail to see, when the OS obviously targets the iOS market.
But of course don't Microsoft get a nice patent income from Android, that they didn't from Symbian?
They probably do better from that than pushing out No-Win with a partial (?) subsidy.
Quite simply it's because of the way they pulled the plugs on Symbian. (It is No-Win I specifically hope will fail.)
Windows phone is a non starter for me because it is locked to an apps store (just as iOS is).
I bought the N8 for the SIP VOIP features and the GPS. I have found the camera and the media replay facilities fantastic too.
A Windows phone is in no way a replacement for a Symbian phone. It may be a replacement for an iPhone.
So I'm hoping the new BB10 is good or Tizen happens, otherwise I will be down the android path.
> They weren't making very much profit on their Symbian phones
And they are on the Win phones? I notice the quality drop with the windows phones compared to an N8. Downgraded camera, lack of SD support. I'm pretty sure they lack the connectivity too. So if they wanted to make bigger margins, they could have done the same. Quite frankly the first range of Lumia phones were pathetic in comparison to the N8, when I asked questions at a stand the rep seemed quite embarrassed about the answers he had to give. Perhaps the newer ones aren't as bad.
> Could Symbian have survived the £100 Androids, some of which are now quite good?
Why not? It's not like they need to pay for it. Win Phone has little hope.
> It's even possible that Elop could have beaten up on middle management and got some of Nokia's great R&D through the production pipeline and got Symbian up-to-date by now. He obviously didn't believe that
And of course we all believe that too.
So providing they haven't got any prejudices against NoWin. (e.g. upset about a previous OS being dropped like a hot potato) there could be a market, and given how bad things are for Nokia smart phones, any market has to be good.
Otherwise they will just wait a few weeks until an Android firm does the same.
If they had have done they, they might still have some credibility left. When they pulled the plugs, Symbian was on the way up. The N8 was a very popular phone. It has its flaws, but they surely wold have been fixed far more simply than throwing away your most of your market and starting chasing a different one.
WP is more akin to iOS, due to its lockdown. Symbian is more akin to Android.
There are 3 type of buyer. Nokia fans. They will keep them. Symbian fans, they will go to Android. And general users. If they lose their apps, are they going to stay with the company that caused it? (Especially since the new OS comes from a firm with a proven history of abandoning phone OSes, and i heard a runour the WP9 is on the cards soon.)
The N8 was a really good hone. I can't really see any phone other than the 808 being anything but a step down in many ways.
I don't watch enough TV to justify a colour licence. I had a b/w portable, for the odd occasions.
I didn't bother to renew it when I realized the TV hadn't been switched on for over 3 months, and I wasn't going to be home for the next few months. And also it had become very difficult to purchase a b/w licence after the contract went from the post office.
I got so many letters accusing me of being a criminal, I simply got rid of my (b/w) TV, and then threw them in the bin.
I have a monitor on the DVD/media player.
I quite often legally use iPlayer for offline programs. Had I not been accused of being a criminal by letter, I would have made the effort to buy a b/w licence, because I consider that a fair price for my consumption, however since it is not a legal requirement, after that they can get stuffed.
Had they not made it so hard to purchase a b/w licence I wouldn't have even thought about doing without TV at home in the first place.
I use it quite regularly.
I have multi messenger programs.
I log into MSN, Yahoo, Skype, Gtalk, ICQ, Myspace, and VK at present.
Gtalk is most used, then MSN, then yahoo, then skype. ICQ has been a long time quiet and I don't think I ever had a conversation on myspace. I only just replaced facebook with VK. But it seems quite well used.
Having just disabled my FB account for a bit, and having finished listening to the Michel Thomas method Advance Russian CDs, I thought I'd give it a try.
It actually seems far better than facebook. (A bit like facebook was before it went crap, but with sensible search facilities.)
If only it had some users I know.
It sounds like the best chance of a suitable replacement for Symbian, given the reports I have heard of the N9. Though the new BBOS also sounds interesting.
Wouldn't Samsung be able to offer the same phone with Tizen or Android (or Ubuntu even)?
I wonder how many of the MS (and other) patents are essential and core functions?
i.e. could they offer a free Android, with an enhancement pack sold via the store.?(Which would be included in the higher end phones, already)
It's probably cheaper to build a w3c compliant accessible site in the first place, than some of the messes that are out there.
But fixing them? Probably better to start from scratch.
It would have been better to have mandated that all *new* work to be up to scratch, a while ago. (New sites, and new pages on existing sites.)
A dyslexic or illiterate person.
A technophobe with a partner who isn't but has poor eyesight.
It would be nice if they pushed for w3 compliance as a recommendation, as well as no requirement for javascript.
(Though I must say, I make a point of trying UK government sites with Netsurf and they usually work fine.)
I did. The demo completely failed to install on the PC I tried. (It now has mint on it.) And I tried it in a VM on another PC, and found it so awful to use, I'm not prepared to pay the £30 or whatever.
It is dreadful, I thought we'd left that sort of stuff behind with the demise of windows 3.11
The x86 tablet/ultrabooks being advertised seem to be a flop waiting to happen.
They won't be as good as a W8 tablet, because they are heavier. They won't be much good as a laptop because of windows 8. Their battery life and available applications won't compare well to iPads and Android devices.
And RT seems like it will be another non-starter, and given Microsoft's history of abandoning ARM based systems when they falter and lack of compatibility/upgradibility between generations (WM6, Kin, and WP7) who would take the risk? And what happens when someone sticks a Raspberry Pi in a tablet or netbook form for a quarter the price?
At the moment I don't want my Pi to act as a media player. However once multiple boot is simple without unplugging SD Cards. (The is supposedly going to be a Linux loaded from RISC OS), this situation will change.
Ultimately I would like to boot in RISC OS, and then have the option of loading RaspBMC, Raspian, Android, PupPi etc.
If the USB drivers get improved then a second Pi could find its way into my hifi system, but it would need to work as well as the Asus Oplayer.
I have seen several reports that the USB is inefficient. Some blame the driver, some the chip, some both.
My experience the the Pi XBMC would support this. It plays compressed 1080p content fine (e.g. a 4GB 2 hour file looks great) but less compressed content (i.e. 20GB for a 2 hour movie) keeps pausing, and is unwachable. An Oplay (or an Hisense 1080) plays the same media fine.
Hopefully there will be new drivers sometime.
But it's only £30 quid
On one hand it is a very cheap way of being online.
On the other handwithout it, most apps are cut off the internet, even if you have wifi available.
The time it went down, I lost a day's work because I didn't get a message,
When I went to Belgrade, there was free wifi everywhere, but the BlackBerry was cut off from BIS, because it knew I was in the wrong country. Fortunately I had a few apps that could use wifi directly, but the big loss was Google maps. (One of the reasons I now have an N8 as well, downloadable maps.)
If everything fell back to wifi (or APN, if wanted) when BIS went down, then it would be a really good system. But as yet, most of it doesn't (The facebook app does though.)
I quite often use my Symbian phone to make sip calls just for the same reason (and because it's free). (On a good day it logs in automatically in a few seconds).
Skype isn't quick enough for the time available.
If they have some lame web based login screen (like wetherspoons have) then it would be completely useless, rather than just fatally overpriced.
From the stability point of view. It is always freezing for seconds, sometimes tens of seconds. I have to reboot it daily. Build quality is pretty good.
The only ay I can see myself staying with BB (I also have an N8 that I am moving over to.) is if they provide an OS update to the new OS for my phone.
I doubt that will happen.
The earlier chips were cloned by various manufacturers without any licences. (i.e. they were different internally, but behaved the same.)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2001/mar/08/onlinesupplement5
"Originally, Acorn planned to use Intel's 286 chip in its Archimedes computer. But because Intel would not let it license the 286 core and adapt it, Acorn decided to design its own. "
Surprised the article didn't include this.
If it is anywhere near as good as it is on an N8, why the hell is it free?
If\when I move to Android, I would quite happilly pay £20 - £30 for something that works the same as Nokia maps on the N8. (Free updates, free downloadable maps, works offline or with only wifi).
Giving it away is a stupid move, as far as I can see. (Though less stupid that killing your cash cow, of course.)
I'd heard of it, and it looks very good. But it's free and online, and not an app like Nokia maps on my N8.
I don't need an internet connection. (Google maps was useless on my Blackberry in Serbia, despite free wifi everywhere. Hence going to back to Symbian.)
And how will giving away the only thing they have left help them? They need to sell it.
It seems strange that the one thing they have left, is being given away free.
With how good it is, a few years down the line, when sticking to Symbian becomes unsustainable, and I have to move to android (or jolla or tizen), I would be prepared to pay a reasonable amount to use Nokia maps on it. (It's not good enough to make me go to windows phone though.)
I would think it would be a viable product on iDevices too.
The destruction of Symbian and Meego in Nokia is a win-win situation for microsoft.
Obviously in the unlikely event that WinPho captured most of the former Symbian market, the win is obvious.
However Android is a more logical step for Symbian fans, the other is to hold on to Symbian as long as possible and hope one of the Meego resurrection plans works.
The figure imply that those who have given up on Symbian have mostly gone to Android. Which is still a win for Microsoft, because of all the patent revenues.
Of course whether he was a Trojan or not is a matter for the Finnish Government to investigate. I would think Hanlon's Razor is probably worth remembering though.