677 posts • joined 17 Jul 2007
Why is it such a big deal to make a specific tizen phone?
Tizen, Android, Ubuntu, Firefox, Sailfish etc are all Linux based, why is there an issue? They should all run the same drivers. (Or at lease very similar ones)
That would be 20 Amps at 5 Volts.
Impressive with such a thin cable.
That sort of cable would make wiring ovens easy.
BB10 is nice.
It will be even better when the remaining important features finally make it over from BB7.
(Cyrillic phonetic keyboard layout for example, no good being able to switch to Russian, if you have no idea where the letters are.)
I really like the system, but it really annoys me, the things that it can't do that even BB OS 4 could.
(Like timed power on/off, and delete original message, in replies.)
It is a really good media player, and web browsing is pretty good. The Q5 was certainly worth the £185 I paid for it unlocked new from Amazon, and I'm very glad I couldn't bring myself to buy an Android.
It really would make sense if BB could replace all the high end BB7 phones with dual boot BB10/BB7 devices.
VK dropped support for Jabber about 9 months ago
Since then my total use probably adds up to about the same as a couple of typical days before this braindead move.
I noticed jabber stopped working for me on FB a few days ago, I had assumed it was because I'd disallowed app integration on websites, (a bit odd I thought), but perhaps they just turned it off.
I think my facebook use has been halved.
I expect that the portfolio contains a couple of rock solid patents that would be tricky to work around, a few more that are solid but easy to work around if needed, and several hundred weak patents that wouldn't stand up to any serious scrutiny.
No-one is going to make a fuss about the weak ones when they are in a bundle with the strong ones, that is sold for a reasonable price and to anyone.
Re: I really can't see the point of this.
Because if they release a new faster Pi, it will be a simple upgrade for any kit based on it. (Assuming they don't do anything stupid.)
I suspect this is brinkmanship.
What dropping support actually means is that Patch Tuesday (13th?) May 2014, will not support XP, so until that date, (unless there is a hideously bad vulnerability discovered) there is no difference from before.
This is an extra month to play with, (providing you are willing to take the small risk of serious vulnerability.)
My expectation is that when MS don't backtrack, then they will roll it out over the next few months, but they are hoping for a U turn, so they don't have to.
Re: But BB10 is still catching up with BB7 features.
Yes. That is the main thing I dislike about the Q5. Other than that it is a great phone.
Where OS 4 - 6 (never tried 7) are better.
1. Far better autocorrect.
2. Phonetic Russian keyboard.
These two are very strange omissions, because surely they are simply data structures that could be re-used from the old OS.
3. Plain text setting for email accounts.
4. Delete quoted text from reply to email.
5. Timed on/off.
6. Alarm works if phone is off
7. Volume control acts as a cursor (OS 4) or there is a proper cursor.
At least when the version of WP becomes obsolete, hopefully you will be able to keep the device current with a cyanogen mod.
Re: IS MICROSOFT AN INNOVATOR?
Their innovation was to create the expectation that computers require lots of maintenance and are quite unreliable.
Simpler solution for audio
I have just got a bluetooth adapter for my hifi (digital out, to high end kit) and I am really pleasantly surprised by the quality. I was expecting it to merely be a convenience, however I am now seeing it as a serious source. (flacs playing on a Q5, maybe the qnx core is really makes it low jitter)
Re: That has got to be embarrassing for Microsoft
Because it was close enough to being a monopoly to make little difference.
Because the replacement was so poor and so incompatible (you couldn't install a vista machine on an AD with lots of policies and expect it to work properly without a lot of changes) that users avoided it.
The replacement for Vista, although a good version of windows, still had the same issues with migration.
And the replacement for that, although probably the soundest core ever for windows, had a UI that was a showstopper.
My opinion is that whenever they fix a bug that dates back to XP, they should fix it for XP too.
If it has a bug then they have sold a faulty product, and should fix it. If they fix it for other versions of windows, then they are pointing out a hole for malware authors to use. This is very close close to blackmail. (Of course many domestic users will just say sod Microsoft and buy an iPad or Nexus)
... rely on you having auto-update turned on in the first place?
But if you don't do updates, then dropping support would make no difference anyway.
Indeed - MintPPC FTW!
Is that still up to date?
I notice the latest post on the homepage (other than about the forums) is from November 2011.
"That's probably because you need to sideload an app like Snap first"
Have I missed something?
My Q5 loads android apps quite happily, (and some of then even work properly), I've never sideloaded and app like snap.
I just downloaded the amazon store app with the browser and everything was fine.
The android stuff is a bit glitchy and clunky compared to the native stuff, but not unusably so.
I had to replace my BB9700.
I needed a phone below £200 unlocked. (I was given about £160 insurance payout).
Nokia - no chance, ever, I loved my N8 (apart from text input, hence my having a BB too.) To abandon such a good phone before it was properly finished. Grrr. (Didn't even need WP to put me off, which would do the job too.)
I needed either a keyboard, or a huge screen.
All the likely candidates were too expensive, but the Asus Fonepad was in budget, so I seriously considered it (the processor was what put me off), but then I found a Q5 for £185 unlocked on Amazon, so I took a gamble.
I am happy with the phone, it looks great (best looking BB yet, much nicer than the Q10) a decent keyboard, no BIS, (used to be of benefit due to the price, but now with standard access as cheap, the limitations are a show stopper). Works well with Bria for VOIP (and Skype too). Nice media replay facilities (flac for example). I have just installed Amazon App store, which works. (not as smooth as the Native system, but not annoyingly sluggish). It even has a torch function built in to the UI.
There are a few niggles. cursor keys would be nice. The email editor is not as good as on BB6, nor is the keyboard layout support. Hopefully these will be fixed in future versions.
My suggestion would be to try and find a cheap BB10 device (Q10s look a bargain, for those who don't mind lack of keyboards), and give it a try.
(And I got a second hand playbook for £50, which works well with it, had they bothered to put BB10 on them, I think they would have been worth closer to the price they tried to sell them for.).
And by implication the death of S40
So another non US controlled phone operating system bites the dust.
Be amusing if Jolla rush out a version of Sailfish for them. (Assuming there is any of the internal design remaining from the past.)
An N8 version would be nice.
That windows tablet is a fully fledged PC in your hand.
But surely when you are running fully windows programs, unless you have a keyboard and mouse, they will be horrible to use. (Having tried citrix on a playbook).
(Or possibly a big screen plugged into it, and use the tablet in place of the keyboard).
As a tablet it will be a second rate device. (Bigger heavier, possibly poorer battery life. And as yet a poorer selection of apps.)
I can't see it being a better option than an android/ipad/playbook and keeping the old laptop or desktop for occasional legacy windows program.
Will all the poor WP7 users be left out?
Re: Lenovo experience
I don't think that anyone disagrees that Windows 8 with the metro UI garbage removed and start menu re-instated is a good system.
The problem is that corporates cannot rely on a bit of freeware that might stop working with an update. It needs to be like that with no additional software.
So windows 7 gets rolled out, despite being inferior.
that they've dragged the desktop GUI back to Win 95 levels of sophistication.
Windows 95 has a somewhat better UI than windows 8 on a desktop machine.
I think Windows 3.1 is a fairer comparison.
How do the more popular Linux setups approach this?
Linux mint looks more like XP than Windows 7 does.
An XP user would have as little trouble moving to it as they would to windows 7.
(And far far less than to Windows 8)
No help if you are tied into Windows only software though.
Surely multiple OS choices for one handset would be the answer?
Since Tizen, sailfish, firefox, ubuntu and android are all linux they would all be able to use the same or at least similar drivers, surely?
Presumably android would become a premium option due to the Microsoft patents, (unless there were a cut down option too)
Perhaps they should get the manufacturer to provide the drivers as a separate module with a defined interface, and then android would talk to this, (and be the same code on all handsets).
Much like the old DOS/BIOS situation.
Re: Any ancient MS Office-saved file can be opened in any version of Office
If the version is too old, then you have to be careful the convertors are installed. (doesn't happen by default).
In my experience it isn't always perfect. In fact (with most files), openoffice does as good a job as the wrong office.
Is it common knowledge that word and powerpoint 97 can use the office 2007 compatibility pack? (excel doesn't work before 2003 sp3) (Never tried 95)
I bought them a new Windows 8 box instead.
You must really hate them. (Unless removed all the metro stuff and installed classic shell, in which case it's about the best windows I have seen.)
complaint about Windows 8 were the metro UI. As of Windows 8.1 that complaint is obsolete.
Does 8.1 address the horrible jarring jumping to full screen issues? (That is the show stopper, though I think non-techies don't like the loss of the start MENU, anyone who remembers Win 3.1 and DOS can handle that)
As far I am aware, the changes are that it allows you to start on the desktop and replacing the hot corner thing with a button.
But it is the *same* core. If it weren't, then security bugs would not affect XP and later versions.
And that were that the case, dropping support would be far less of a problem, because if a patch came out for a bug in Windows Vista-8 the same vulnerability would not exist in XP and cyber criminals would not effectively be given information for breaking into XP.
Re: Where's Linux and MacOS on the graphs?
OS X was released about the same time as XP, and it is on the 10th version. I know of users of 10.4, 10.5, 10.6 and 10.8. If all the users are as spread out amongst the versions as those I know, then it will be spread out to insignificance, when you are differentiating on point versions. (Linux has no chance at all with such measurements)
Re: people just simply like the XP interface.
I prefer the windows 2000 interface. (My favorite interface is the RISC OS one)
Windows 8 with classic shell and everything that jumps to full screen removed, would seem to be a quite acceptable system. However, when Microsoft were offering it at a sensible price the horrid interface seemed intrinsic, so I didn't buy, and so I have prepared a Linux Mint Boot drive for my PC.
Re: MS took that to heart and people still complain.
"security had to be designed in, not added on in patches."
But how is Windows 7 or 8.x any different from XP in that respect? it is the same core.
They would need to do a redesign as big as between 9x and the NT families.
Re: let the site owners know that
I do quite often let them know, if they have an email address, and one ticket site actually fixed the problems, so they won't lose further business from me. (The problem was actually with the card authentication, so I guess they moaned that they were losing custom.)
From 13.3 million units in 2012 to 30 million last year.
Doesn't look good compared to over 100 million the year before anyone talked about throwing their existing popular system and it's planned phased replacement in the bin.
I suspect the profit per unit was better then, too.
I also suspect that a fair chunk of the cheaper sales are at the expense of S40 feature phones. My parents almost got talked into getting a pair to replace their S40s.
Apart from the lack of a physical keyboard (a showstopper for me personally) and a reduced battery life, I don't think anyone could seriously say they were inferior to a featurephone.
I suspect this is the market Microsoft will go for. Replace the Ashas with dirt cheap windows phones. (Maybe keeping the name, if it comes in the deal).
The only real fly in the ointment would be if someone brings out a similar priced range with keyboards.
Microsoft haven't lost out with their $1 billion payment to Nokia to scrap their own smartphones.
looking at the figures here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone#By_operating_system
It looks to me like Symbian was doing quite well (even though Android was growing much faster). It was growing the couple of years before the platform burning, and even that took quite a while to kill all its sales.
As far as I can tell, Android (mainly Samsung) took most of the lost Symbian market, (of the N8 users I know, I still has it, 2 now have Samsungs and 1 has a Sony, admittedly too small to be very representative, but it fits in with these figures.)
If Microsoft got 200 million extra Android royalties of $5, then their investment has broken even. Looking at the figures, they could easily have gone well past past that. (And that is ignoring any brownie points they got from the NSA for removing a non American controlled smartphone platform from the world, and majorly setting back its planned successor).
And then they get to buy Nokia's phone division at a knock down price. (Taking over another previously non American owned phone platform).
I think the Nokia situation is a big win for Microsoft. (Not as big a win as if the Windows phones actually sold as well as Symbian did, of course.) The losers are of course Nokia (self inflicted I think), all the Symbian and Meego users, and Microsoft's corporate ego (which will be crying all the way to the bank).
Re: If Windows Phone was made by anybody else, it would have failed long ago.
If Windows Phone was *bankrolled* by anybody else, it would have failed long ago.
All my free minutes and internet access vanished.
It's all back now.
Prevented me making a couple of calls, so I used email.
Cut off from the world on the train, so I watched a video.
Made me realise exactly how crap "The Cloud" wifi STILL is.
Why does a hotspot network need you to log in more than once (per device)?
If McDonald's can get it right....
Canadian owned. What are the security implications?
2) Yes if you cannot learn new things.
I can learn new things, but if they are inferior, I want to be able to revert.
'modern' (if modern is the poorest end of the choice in 1990) interface is bloody awful. Things jumping to full screen is horrible.
Example. click on a music file.
Result - a black screen with a triangle in the middle. (fine on a touchscreen that can be held in one hand.)
The last time I remember behavior like that would be on a 386 running GEM in the early 90s, but in that case it was a step forward from running everything full screen.
All this metro stuff would be fine if it worked in a window on the desktop. (Even DOS apps could do that on a windows desktop back in the early 90s)
It would be such an easy design fix.
Microsoft deserve all the lost sales (more even) by being so stupid.
Requiring 3rd party apps to make a NEW system as usable as the old one, then blackmailing people into migration; not acceptable.
(I use the term blackmail, because fixing decades old bugs in newer versions, and not XP is little else.)
Re: The NSA only lets Obama use a Blackberry after they harden it themselves
But what does their hardening do?
Most organizations would block the ability to install things that would compromise the system.
Does it involve the SIM which apparently has enough of an OS to have security issues?
Re: I wouldn't say BB10 is a flop, I would say it's a slow burner.
I would agree. The Q5 is excellent, I'm very pleased I bought it.
There are still enough BB7 owners who will love BB10 to recover. (Now the price is right).
Of course they'd not be in the dodgy situation, had they handled the launch better.
They should have started with a device like the Q5 that could dual boot to BB7 or 10.
Re: It's hardly NSA-proof if the President of the USA uses one.
But the controlling BES would be American controlled in this case. The obvious implication of the comment would be for anyone outside America. (And isn't it homeland security for spying on themselves?)
Re: Ohhhh and NSA-proof!
I think resistant is probably more accurate.
I think a properly controlled corporate device would be pretty hard for them to access, I would think an out of the box device would also be hard to get into, but once apps have been installed all bets are off.
Obviously Skype, Facebook, whatsapp, googletalk etc, would give them a level of surveillance, just from the service end and since they are American owned, what is to stop the NSA ordering one of the companies to issue you a trojan update? (I use all of these on my Q5, but were I a CEO or in a position of similar sensitivity, I wouldn't)
But obviously the situation is much better (or worse from the NSA's POV) than where the OS is controlled by an American company, they can just order a trojan update targeted at any person of interest. (And that is assuming they've not required a backdoor shipped in all versions.
I had wondered why Skype was a bit clunky compared to all the other apps. I had assumed it was Microsoft Quality control.
Do they expire on April 8th or something?
If Windows can bounce back, why can't BlackBerry?
Re: hold 25% of a film.
There won't *need* to be a new format.
It is quite possible to compress a 1080 movie to about 2GB and still have a good picture. 4 times this would still fit on a dual layer DVD. Even a single layer BD would allow far lower levels of compression and decent audio.
(Of course what you say will probably turn out to be true for commercially released formats.)
Re: Mod is now normally used as an abbreviation of 'Modification'
Makes sense to me, you need to mod the system to make it useable on a single screen machine that isn't a tablet.
I don't believe they are selling the data to government.
I seriously doubt they get any more than reasonable expenses, maybe not even that.
After all they got let off that nasty antitrust case.
Re: Yes, just look readers...
Try Amazon for cheap BB10 devices. I am typing this on a Q5 that cost £185. It's far nicer than Android. They seem to be a little more expensive due to Christmas, than a few weeks ago.
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