730 posts • joined 17 Jul 2007
Re: OS 7
There are quite a lot of things that haven't made it into OS 10 from the earlier versions, yet.
Such auto power on. Phonetic keyboard input for other alphabets, coloured LED flashing,etc.
Hopefully they will return them.
Also it would be nice if Blend could be used without special software through a lan. Perhaps a simple webapp generated by the device? Plugins for Thunderbird and outlook would be nice too.
I have an NFC blackberry and an NFC Bluetooth audio adapter. As yet I haven't bothered to try NFC to connect. I would have to switch on NFC, and physically go to the device, as opposed to simply connecting to it from the phone screen.
I can see that a similar idea would be sensible for free wifi. They seem to want phones registered, presumably if something illegal happens they can tie the MAC to the SIM etc.
But I have never seen it offered.
Right about needing a standard boot system.
I'm certainly of the opinion that the reason the IBM compatible became the main device in use, against far nicer systems (RISC OS. Amiga, Atari ST, Mac) was down to the ability to interface in a standard manner, allowing multiple vendors to produce equivalent devices. The BIOS being one of the most important, but ISA, and all the standard connectors used on the peripherals was important too. (Just look what happened when IBM tried to kill the royalty free clone market. OS/2 and PS/2)
Perhaps the no password option option should only be offered with control (without diving into config files) for the local subnet, and then only if the host is in a one of the private ip ranges.
Re: Apple phase out support for older OS's a hell of a lot quicker than MS do.
The problem isn't so much the change of operating systems on Macs, the changes tend to be relatively small from the user perspective, and upgrades normally work. (I have an install that went from jaguar on a G3, to leopard then tiger, then moved to a G4, then a G5 iMac then to leopard then to a G5 tower.) They also tend not to be ridiculously expensive. (The latest upgrade is the 'right price' if you have suitable hardware.)
The issues are getting stuck on an old OS because either you have software that doesn't work on the newer OSes, or because apple drop support for your hardware (either because of a change of processor architecture G3 > G4/5 > x84 > x64 or because they decide older models are too slow.)
However on the upside I doubt I'd be typing comments on the reg at home from a Dual Processor G5 tower, had they not dropped support for it.
opportunity for a product.
I am surprised that products such as scriptlogic don't include the functionality to remove all the metro garbage and restore the start menu, so that windows 8 looks and feels like Windows 2000, XP, or 7.
I am making the assumption that this facility isn't already explicitly, (obviously with a bit of time it could be contrived by a good sysadmin) built in and they just decided to keep quite about it.
Oh, and they could put back the old XP style corporate login, while they are at it.
Re: It's also a phone!
Alternatives to Dom Joly mode:
Wired heardphones with mic.
I would never buy a tablet device with cellular radio, that was unable to make calls and send sms.
Why would I want something that big, and STILL have to carry a phone?
A phone with a market.
I'm pretty sure this is a clever move. Probably something that Nokia had in the pipeline, and the sale included the rights to brand it as Nokia.
Ideal for people who want a simple phone, or to use one where a smartphone would be frowned upon.
What is the betting that the numbers of phones sold won't be broken down into dumb and smart phones, in their sales reports?
Re: it's the only OS to fully support touch and gesture based controls
Android, iOS and BB10 don't?
re: redundant within 3 months
A good point.
Maybe BlackBerry could prove this isn't the situation by finally giving BB10 all the features that it is missing, that BB 5 and 6 had, which really annoy me, given how good the rest of the system is.
The ones that currently annoy me: Alarm that works from powered off, auto power on/off, coloured indicators, phonetic non latin keyboard, UMA, ability to switch to 2G manually, and a usable mail editor (I have to use K9 mail). I'm sure there are others.
Re: Citation needed?
I think you'll find the sales figures for Windows 8.x provide all the citation needed.
Especially when the general (techie) opinion (mine included) appears to be that if you remove the 'broken' UI you get left with the best OS they have produced.
Re: Are people actually installing Vista
I did, on an old machine with a Vista license that I was given.
I suspect quite a few people will have done the same, (not that I switch it on very often, but when I need windows for something, it is better having a system that is still being given security updates)
A modification to how windows works could stop this.
But XP would miss out of course.
If Scotland leaves the UK...
... I would hope it would put paid to any stupid ideas of leaving the EU.
England, Wales and NI outside the EU (and especially if Scotland remained inside, which is most likely) would be a very weak entity, and hopefully enough little Englanders may actually face up to this.
And given the choice between Scotalnd being part of the EU or part of the UK outside the EU, which would they choose?
So why don't they have a simple web interface for devices without apps?
I'm glad I don't have any Sonos kit.
This is just the sort of attitude I don't want.
If I had kit like this, repurposing old kit as remotes would be part of the purchase decision.
It has certainly reduced the odds of me ever buying any.
> It's just common sense
Common sense in government policies IS revolutionary.
The normal practice of government is to correctly identify an issue in the way they do things, then come up with a solution that makes things worse, because they haven't thought it through.
It will hit Microsoft, not because the big office suite replacements will be alternatives, but because they won't be forced to happen.
If a new computers appear with a newer version of MS Office, the documents will still be compatible, the change won't be forced. (Although technically Microsoft didn't force it, because converters for the old versions are available. Did you know that Word 97 and Powerpoint 97 work quite happily with the 2007 converter pack? Excel doesn't though, presumably due to the larger sheet support).
With the way governments procure, this may not be such a big effect, but once industry in general starts following, it will be.
the poorest version of Skype is the one Microsoft produces for its own Windows Phone.
Is this literally true?
The recent OS X version are vile and the BlackBerry version is very poor too.
If they aren't the worst then I pity and WinPho users having to use it.
re: simply a ruse
Probably not simply a ruse, probably something they though would earn them some money, if Microsoft didn't buy them, but with the bonus of making that far more likely.
A bit of a poison pill though.
So Nokia (phones division) have pulled the plugs on or are doing so to:
WIndows Phone 7
How many customers and devs will that have pissed off?
The devs who signed up to X after the previous burnt platforms must now feel like Charlie Brown landing on his back after Lucy pulls the ball away, after yet again promising she wouldn't.
Different passwords for different uses of the same account?
I find it strange that the same password is used for an account with multiple functions.
For example, if a social network has a chat system and you are able to access the chat facility externally (jabber, or via 3rd party sites for example), then why doesn't it allow you to set a separate password?
Then if it compromised, your entire account isn't gone, (OK your friends will be inundated with spam, but they would have been anyway), you can reset the password from the main account, apologise to your friends and everything is back to normal.
(I believe facebook has a poor version of this, where it generates passwords for such a use, but not ones that can be remembered easily)
The recommendations seem to be good, so if Microsoft has people who can use common sense, why didn't they ask them to make the decision as to whether Windows 8 shipped with an on/off switch for Metro?
The start screen is a pile of crap on a big screen.
It slows you down because you have to move the mouse too far.
It makes sense on a small touch screen.
Re: One of the reasons I moved away from my Mac
> was the worry that if it broke beyond repair then I would have a helluva lot of money to spend for even a simple means of accessing my data in a meaningful way.
Presumably you weren't using any Mac only programs (because you would have the same problem migrating.)
So the problem would be disk format. The Mac can use FAT and NTFS media (some versions need an add-on to be able to write to NTFS). So Backing up to an external drive would be no issue and be accessible.
Unless you were using Time machine. In that case, if your Mac failed you would need to restore to a working Mac. However, the likely failure is either the harddrive or something else (i.e. not the hard drive *and* something else). So if it is the HD, you just replace it and restore, if it isn't you remove the HD and put it in a USB enclosure and access it via Linux.
The problem seems very artificial.
Re: BBC and YouTube without Flash?
I have a rather nice G5 which obviously has no current flash support (though there is a current firefox port, called tenfour fox)
This (plus grease monkey) allows me to watch youtube on it:
An excellent system
But I'm not quite sure why it needs a Pi.
Surely a simple timer would be cheaper?
Re: none of that 'jarring' you've described
I just had a quick go on a windows 8.1 system.
The start tile is horribly jarring, more so than on Windows 8, because it doesn't disappear when you click on the background of the other screen like it does on Windows 8. (Though I'm sure there's a way to fix this.)
The UI is inferior on the desktop to windows 2000, so while, overall unhacked 8.1 may be better that unhacked 8.0 it is certainly nowhere near as good as Windows 8 play a start menu add on with all the touch stuff removed.
Please note: I am ONLY referring to desktop use.
Re: the move from 3.11 to 95
But that was an improved interface. (Seemed a lot like RISC OS, but with some of the best bits missing).
It was also appropriate for the systems it was shipped with.
And it was relatively easy to use to old way of doing things. (Which is pretty much what Windows 8 is like when you remove the metro stuff).
I expect Windows 8 to work well with a tablet instead of a keyboard, with a regular screen. However on a regular desktop, it sucks, badly. Why they didn't simply have an off switch for the touch stuff, I really don't understand. Without it, it is quite a lean fast system, exactly what many Windows critics have been crying out for.
Re: The niche market that Windows 8 appears to have been designed for.
> maybe you should try using a Windows 8.1 tablet before you comment at such length!
Why? I made no criticism of the use of W8.x as a tablet. My comment was that my expectation was for it to work well for the reviewed device.
My criticism was the use of this chimera on the desktop. Please could you point out where your second (full) paragraph is at odds with my post? At least the implication is that it is a counter argument, whereas I find it totally consistent.
I haven't actually seen 8.1 yet. There was one machine that someone upgraded at work, but it caused so many problems it was quickly reverted back. But given the lip service they paid to the Start Button. They literally put it back, but not the menu which was what people actually missed, I will take nothing on trust. Is it on a par with de-Metroed Win 8?
(By the same token, I didn't actually accept that out of the box Windows 8 was as bad as everyone said, until I tried it.)
Is there a trial version available, like there was for 7 (I liked that, but not enough to pay what they wanted to avoid reverting to XP, it after it expired) and 8?
The really stupid thing is that Windows 8 after removing metro, is probably about the best version of Windows I have tried. (I wish had had the information to do that when the £30 upgrade was still around).
The niche market that Windows 8 appears to have been designed for.
Using out of the box Windows 8 in a few configurations.
Single screen desktop/laptop config.
Jarring and cumbersome. (Certainly justifies this quote from the BBC website: "Windows 8 is as charming to use as a second-hand toothbrush" ) The jumping from a windowed environment, to a full screen app reminds me of Windows 3 or GEM switching to and from DOS applications (though in that case it was a step forward, not back). The screen being touch enabled doesn't really help, it is slower to move your hand from the keyboard, and I'm sure long term use like this would result in RSI. Not a system I would want to live with.
Dual screen desktop.
Much less jarring, since jumping to full screen only obscures one screen. A big enough improvement to remove the desire to throw the machine against the wall. Still not as good as a single screen machine with all the touch stuff removed though. Could live with though.
I have never used a W8 tablet, but I have no reason to believe it is any worse or better than the established mobile platforms.
However, the behavior does make me believe that the original plan was (as suggested in a reg. comment a while ago) to have a tablet that runs mobile apps as a tablet, and sits in the place of a keyboard for desktop use. (My theory is that whoever though this up, forgot to tell anyone else, and left).
The flaw in the design is that the thing would be horrible to use for desktop apps without the desktop screen. (Easily solved if they logically split the screen, which ought to be do-able in the driver.)
Seem a strange niche to bet the company on. Unless they they were hoping to copy the success of the iPad. (However, that product wasn't being sold at the expense of a huge existing product, it was not a risk for early adopters, because it had a decent ecosystem already, and was probably a success, in part because it allowed people to do 80 or 90% of what they used a computer for without all the bother of a computer, meaning the bother of windows in most non techies' heads .)
Re: No Sympathy
> You conveniently forgot to mention that 20 years ago Linux was a baby OS
Totally irrelevant in this case because the NHS used to use Novell. They only signed up to the total Microsoft monopoly relatively recently.
Having two competing suppliers is fine. Having one is not.
Are any of the patches for serious flaws that also affect XP?
Because when that happens XP becomes a problem. Until then, it is no different from before, other than the possibility of this. (Inevitable, eventually, I think, unless MS blink first when it happens).
At that point moving to VIsta, for machines with both licences, or dual booting Linux mint would appear to be sensible.
Since the phone knows your location....
Why doesn't it remember the location of networks and only try and connect when it is in the correct area?
All it would then leak is whether you have been there before.
Noscripts, if you *actually* need java
Noscripts also stops plugins, so using this should provide a good level of protection.
Security risks will usually come from java apps running slyly in the background, rather than (reputable) apps you actually want to use.
Limiting its execution to where you know you want it used is a sensible precaution.
Re: Let them come
Since when were Apple devices poorly built?
I can see how Vista would increase its market share by users with dual licensed machines doing a factory re-install.
Maybe the increase in XP is old machines that have been given away, coming back in service?
I like the look of it.
As long as it doesn't share the Q5's poor text selection. (Cursor keys would solve that). And lack of phonetic non latin keyboard layouts.
Re: drastic fck-up
Probably far closer to the truth.
As has been pointed out, the idea is good, the implementation isn't.
Were I to make the rules, I would combine NI and income tax. Tax allowance would be scrapped, and something similar to the basic income scheme would replace it, and most benefits and state pension.
The amount would be based on the number of years paying into the tax system. (years in secondary school would count too). 5 years needed for the minimum amount, after 10 years it raises to standard amount, and after 50 it raises to a pension rate. For disabled and sick people this rate would be adjusted upwards, to reflect extra expenses and reduced earning capability.
The amount would not be enough for most able bodied people to live comfortably on, and so job centres would provide guaranteed paid casual work and training.
Obviously there would still need to be some benefits, for those who don't fit into the above system, and during the transition.
(This is a slightly bluer version of the Green Party's basic income scheme.)
Re: chip-making facilities.
> nowadays there isn't really anything but high-end.
I don't know what facilities they have in Russia, but even if they have few, and are blocked from importing the facilities, due to the Ukraine situation, I'm sure they have enough resources to produce something considerably more powerful than the strongarm relatively quickly, which with a decent OS would allow them to replace a fair chunk of their x86 kit. The high end stuff would follow later.
It is a bit odd that they haven't already mandated a home grown Linux or BSD to replace Windows, though. If they did that right, then changing architecture after would be a lot more simple.
Re: chip-making facilities.
It is worth pointing out the Arm chips were designed not to need high end chip making facilities.
When the design was produced by a company with high end facilities, the Strong Arm was produced, which when dropped into a Risc PC for a while gave one of the most powerful workstations available. (Despite the bottlenecks caused by the internal buses being designed for a machine 10% as fast).
Intel soon caught up and then acquired the strong arm and let it stagnate for a few years, while their own designs overtook it.
It is also worth pointing out that the Russians have a lot of money.
Don't forget, a Raspberry Pi with an efficient operating system would be enough to replace the majority of PCs.
And unlike us, the Russians appear to believe it is a good idea to educate their people, so I doubt they would have a serious problem.
If Putin thinks it is a good idea, then it is highly likely to happen.
Love my Q5, but.
It has some very annoying omissions compared to the 9700 it replaced. Had I known about them beforehand, it may have lost BB a sale. (Because I wouldn't have know how good the rest of the system was.)
However it has some really nice features, too. Music sounds excellent, for example.
However, I don't think it will win over BB7 users that well because it doesn't use the same BB infrastructure, so if you are a corporate, you have to upgrade it and it doesn't run the same apps.
They should make all new high end phones dual boot.
I've had Amazon Appstore on my Q5 for ages.
Since a few days after Android support arrived.
Just a case of a search, download, allow it and it works.
Of course it does mean that there is something subject to the Patriot act on the phone. (But then simply having Skype or an American mail service or chat installed would do the NSA almost as well).
It would be nice for it to be official, and presumably Amazon would be allowed as a second trusted source, without opening up the phone completely.
It would be even nicer if Amazon had a service to auto convert apps to BlackBerry format, so they would work on the Playbook, but that's probably far too much to hope for.
> having to wipe the phone if you change the SIM.
I have swapped mine around a few times. Never had this issue. (BB 4, 5, 6 and 10). I know some phones offer this as an optional security feature. (I haven't *noticed* it in the BB options, though.)
> the SIM being linked to Blackberry rather than your telco so data capacity paid for can't simply be transferred to another phone.
Do you mean the requirement for BlackBerry services rather than standard internet? That is just a service the telco provides. True, it can't be used by a normal phone, but it also can't be used by a BB10 device, which needs standard internet. It used to be an advantage for domestic use, because it was cheaper, now there is no difference (t-mobile in the UK) There was a disadvantage in that the phone became almost useless on wifi abroad, (which sent me back to Nokia, reversed later by Microsoft.)
> I dislike the (to me unnecessary) corporate level security stuff which just hampers normal use
I'm totally at a loss to understand this, unless your phone is a company one.
Since no modern amphibians have wedding tackle*, either;
1] this must be parallel evolution
2] reptiles didn't evolve from amphibians, but legs came about by parallel evolution
3] the ancestors of current amphibians evolved away the wedding tackle.
* (sorry Miss Piggy)
Simple solution - dual boot.
All they need to do is make the high end devices either dual boot, or easy to swap system. Perhaps the OS on an extra microSD, (it would be nice if there was a software interface on board, similar to how a BIOS worked in DOS, etc.)
They could sell the device with a full android ROM (as in paying Royalties to MS, Google etc.) and a free Tizen ROM. Cheaper devices could come with a Tizen ROM and perhaps an Android lite ROM (without the bits that cost).
If Tizen is any good, it would catch on, if not, it wouldn't.
So it is only the controller that is missing?
So why don't they allow the unit to ship in a pre-release form using a standard controller?
But in fairness..
if you didn't look odd at a Numan concert, you'd look odd. (Though if you want really odd, try a John Foxx concert.)
Re: Exactly what don't you like about it? Serious question.
I think what everyone else hates are the things you refer to as niggles.
The thing I absolutely detested about it, was the jumping to full screen design. I didn't like that behavior in the 90s. It is like using a DOS program under GEM. (Which was a step forward, when it was current).
All the swipey stuff is annoying too, (on anything with separate screen).
I gave the demo a try (with a view to buying it, was it £30?) but it was so bad, I didn't bother.
Had I known that there are simple procedures to remove all the garbage, I probably would have gone for it.
But I'm certainly not paying the price they want for it now. When I need a PC compatible at home, I'm sticking to Mint, and I have a chuck out Vista machine for the occasions windows is needed. (It doesn't seem so bad after Windows 8 ).
The loss of the start menu doesn't bother that much, although the panel they replaced it with is awful. (though the hybrid thing I have seen pictures of looks ok). It is just like going back to windows 3.11 (however it may not be so nice for those not familiar with the command line and shortcuts).
Had they allowed the metro apps to run as desktop widgets or programs in normal windows, made the start menu an option instead of the panel, and chosen different defaults for tablet to laptops and workstations, then the story would have been very different, I think. (It may have helped if they had made the same metro app work across all the systems, rather than needing 5 different versions.)
Re: More fun with the Oric
A poke to turn off the keyboard
A ping using a random number
go to the previous line
Can't they all just make their customisations into an app that is loaded onto vanilla android?
Then there would be no issues, and anyone who didn't like it could uninstall.
re: make sense and look aesthetically OK on a Mac but it is horrendous on Windows.
Doesn't feel horrible and the tabs now match thunderbird. (Snow Leopard) Also feels a bit less glitchy on nasty pages.
But isn't the whole point of windows modern UI to look horrendous? (Or are you still using 'dated and cheesy'?)
Was word perfect 32 bit?
I seem to recall that at least one of the major competitors to MS Office was 16 bit.
(Was it Lotus or WPOffice or both?)
16 bit programs generally turned Windows 95 from a nice OS to a hideous pile of cack. (Office 4.3 didn't seem to for some strange reason.) And the program I'm thinking of was no exception.
DOS programs however, generally worked really well under 95. WP 5.1 generally was great on it.
Re: Not just a blow to Microsoft's attempts to assure non-US customers
I'm typing this on a non American smartphone. A BlackBerry. Certainly much nicer than a Samsung. And better sound quality than an iPhone.
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