On one hand, removing features with an upgrade is totally out of order.
On the other hand, it sounds great, I want the same to happen to my Win 10 pro
1007 posts • joined 17 Jul 2007
On one hand, removing features with an upgrade is totally out of order.
On the other hand, it sounds great, I want the same to happen to my Win 10 pro
I believe they are pragmatic enough that they would go with an off the shelf EEA/EFTA deal. It would have the benefit of business pretty much as usual and preserve the rights of their citizens. It would also have the benefit of retaining our economy in the bloc, while getting rid of our government's whiny disruptive presence.
Am I the only Brit who is embarrassed by our government constantly asking for special deals, while the rest just get on with it?
But what does that actually mean?
The question asked only mentioned the EU, it made no mention of any other European organisation.
Since originally joining the then EEC involved leaving the EFTA, a reasonable interpretation would be rejoining the EFTA, which would be a means to remain in the EEA.
If we remain in the EEA then it is pretty much business as usual (except for farmers, fishermen and UK based EU funded projects, but the latter .)
Leaving the EEA is what would make our economy go TITSUP.
I have also noticed a lot of post referendum promises that would seem to be impossible without remaining in the EEA (some could alternatively be met by the breakup of the UK).
The NI-Eire border being the most obvious one. (If the UK left the EEA it would become a customs border, because there would be no free trade agreement, so how could it be completely open? i.e passports won't be needed, but goods would need to be checked.)
Of course it could mean the whole UK leaves united or not at all. (And to be pedantic, Britain only refers to England, Scotland and Wales. And even more pedantically, it can mean simply England and Wales, i.e if it is not used as an abbreviation for Great Britain.)
I just downloaded the iso and tried booting a Dell XPS laptop that works fine on Windows (including 64 bit 10) fine on ubuntu/mint and fine on regular android x86.
It just hung on the splash screen.
"Perhaps you may have a point. I just fail to see how the UK continuing to pay for access to the EU, even more bureaucracy for our business people (think import/export paperwork), potentially the same deal vis-a-vis immigration, and absolutely no say in euro rules; could be seen as an improvement to matters"
Are you sure being in the EEA would mean more paperwork? That would defeat the point of a free market.
The gross amount would be lower, (hopefully) the net amount would be similar to the present situation. The difference is instead of having urban regeneration schemes and scientists funded by the tyrants at the EU, we would be able choose to spend that money on the NHS or tax cuts for the rich.
We wouldn't be bound by as many laws as present. And the English and Welsh people obviously believe that we can trust our own government with those needing replacing. Contrary to popular belief EEA members do get consulted on those EU laws that they will need to abide by, however they do not get the final decision. However, since we are mostly represented by UKIP MEPs I don't see this as any change.
Given that our government keeps watering down or vetoing laws on the environment or regulating banks and such, the EU will be far better off without us having the disproportionate influence Thatcher negotiated for us.
Since the people have decided that the UK government will better represent their interests than the EU government, then my opinion is that England and Wales should return to the EFTA and remain in the EEA. The peoples of Scotland, Gibraltar and NI should be given the choice as to whether they wish to join England and Wales or not. And if their preference is Europe rather than England (which I would think sensible), then England and Wales could quit the UK and no article 50 would be needed. (So you might have Britain = England and Wales, UK = united kingdom of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar, which would solve the UK/Britain/GB problem on drop down menus)
Of course they won't. They will simply downgrade their headquarters to a regional office. As will any other multinational with an HQ here and a bigger market in the EEA than the uk. Obviously subject to brexit referring to the EEA rather than the EU. (If brexit means rejoin the EFTA and remaining in the EEA then the whole thing is a storm in a teacup, if it means WTO rules, then we will see the predicted problems.)
Seems very strange to abandon your secure partially android compatible platform (especially when each release improved the compatibility) to try and fix android.
I have given up with smartphones now. The Q5 will never be complete. (Just like the N8).
I now have a 10 inch tablet phone, which I only carry when I am expecting a call (or want to use as a tablet of course)
Rather than Android on an expensive phone.
I've given up with smartphones now.
No, what they would do is to make it too expensive for the poorer 40-60%
Yes, yes and WTF? It's scarcely any different to mint. That's why I quite like it. I'm already prepared to jump to mint as soon as they do something I really don't like.
Since "Mac's" is actually an abbreviation of Macintoshes, I don't believe it is incorrect.
> Nope, we have up to 2 years to invoke Article 500
We can do that when we like. (Assuming 500 is a typo)
> and the renegotiation can take 2 years more
After two years we are out on WTO rules if nothing else has been agreed.
The question was whether the UK should remain in the EU or not. No mention of the EEA.
Since 48% obviously supported freedom of movement/EEA membership because that is part of EU membership, it means that if less than 24 in 25 exit voters support leaving the EEA then there is no mandate to leave the EEA.
They won't be able to assume that will carry on because of the drop in the Pound vs the Euro.
Also quite a bit of that may relocate back to the EU.
I think the EU will suddenly decide the Crimean Plebiscite was valid and they can be friends with Russia again, and they'll take up the slack.
Basically you think our government are wrecking the EU, and it would be better off without us?
Then they wouldn't have to settle for watered down laws that help Cameron's mates, at the expense of ordinary citizens.
However that ignores the risk of a chain reaction and the whole thing fragmenting.
That would put us back in the old situation of Euro-squabbles escalating, which the EU has managed to do a fine job of preventing.
And a few years down the line someone will probably try to unify Europe again, by the old methods.
Please don't play the BS democracy card.
Despite voting in every General Election since I was old enough, my vote has NEVER counted to elect anyone who votes on my laws.
However my Euro MP votes do.
So how would I get more democracy by losing the latter?
On the upside, Brexit would be good for the environment.
Britain is the country that keeps vetoing and watering down EU environment regulations.
Currently there are 28 Countries with compromised regulations. After Brexit there would be only one.
It would be good for the environment, just not ours.
Still more representation than I personally get from voting in Westminster Elections.
So therefore I totally dismiss all sovereignty arguments as completely irrelevant.
However there are much more important reasons to stay.
Freedom of movement and the fact that the EU prevents the national bickering between countries escalating into something more serious are the primary ones.
If we end up in the EEA, that would be fine, and the irony of the position we would be in being exactly what the UKIP falsely claim we are in currently would amuse me.
That wouldn't work. (Unless they campaigned for the English to vote leave and the Scots to vote remain.)
The only way the validity of their recent plebiscite would be undermined is if they UK as a whole votes to leave, but Scotland votes remain, and the vote is higher than the vote to remain in the UK. (Which seems likely at present.)
Anyone voting to leave in Scotland would be voting for the whole UK to leave intact.
Anyone voting to stay is voting for the whole UK to stay.
A solid vote to stay in Scotland but an overall UK leave vote would undermine the referendum, because of a material change.
They would then have to be asked if they wish to be an independent state within the EU, or to remain in the UK but leave the EU. (Or alternatively, PM Boris could send the tanks in, of course.)
because we don't know how it will pan out.
We don't know if the UK will survive intact.
We don't know if we will be in the EEA or not.
(If we were to be, then Brexit wouldn't really bother me.)
Will we get a deal at all?
Will the EU actively help businesses to relocate to remain within the EU?
Will it be Cameron or Boris negotiating?
Will there be a snap general election?
Will the rest of the world spring to our rescue, or take advantage of our situation?
It seems to me about as good a move as Nokia ditching their own systems for Windows. We could all see it was a likely train wreck, but they still did it.
Actually they both were.
Of course they would keep the pound, have you never seen Scottish bank notes? The question really was whether both versions would be linked. When Southern Ireland left the UK, its pounds were linked to ours for decades. Even to the extent of having the same size coins.
The EU would not have wanted to lose territory and citizens. It would not have been in the remainder of the UK's interests to have it on the outside. Any technicalities would have been sorted out.
And if we wanted them to stay in the EU, we could easily have managed the situation. (Dissolve the union, so that either we were all out or none out.)
I will take it lightly because of the following.
I have voted in every election I was able in the last 34 years.
Never has my vote contributed to any MP who votes on the laws my country makes.
However in the EU elections it has.
Therefore I get more representation with the EU than without it.
I don't see any reform in the direction of more democracy and accountability coming from Westminster in the foreseeable future.
"If the UK was to reach the end of the two year period specified by Article 50 without
having reached an agreement, and if any of the 27 other Member States vetoed an extension
of this period, this would lead to the UK leaving the EU with no immediate replacement
agreed, without any protection under EU law for the rights of UK business to trade on a
preferential basis with Europe or the EU’s free trade agreement partners, UK citizens to live
and work in Europe, or UK travellers to move about freely in Europe."
And grudges, it would be easier to ask which countries haven't. The whole point of the EU was to set aside all the historical garbage that has caused problems of varying degrees in the past. If we pull out, especially since it will cause them some damage, it will resurface.
The most obvious one is Spain, with Gibraltar.
Large contribution to the EU budget with nothing in return. Requirement to enact the majority of EU rules and laws without any veto or voting rights. Freedom of movement, with less opt outs than EU members.
I can see the Brexiteers loving that.
On the upside, Britain is usually the country vetoing or watering down good laws. (Protection for steel, anti-corruption powers, etc.)
No. They vote on the laws. They don't propose them.
That is one thing that could seriously do with changing,
But it's certainly not a good enough reason to leave.
No. If that happens after 2 years we are out with no agreements.
My guess is the only way such negotiations would go smoothly are if either:
1. We go for Norway style EEA membership.
2. Scotland votes to stay in the EU, and subsequently to quit the UK and the negotiations include sorting this out (The Auld Alliance would help this I think.)
Otherwise I would predict stalling by any nations holding a grudge against us.
I also predict EU compensation for any businesses who move to remain within the EU.
So for all us contractors out there there will be two years of solid work, before the bottom falls out of the market.
I think it refers to free expansion of the market, not what we already have.
Poorly worded, I grant you.
The Norway option is in reality pretty much what the Brexiteers claim our situation is at present.
I think this is why Putin will be pleased to see us quit.
We won't be able to afford to keep the sanctions, if we don't leave the 2 year negotiation period with an agreement. (And the period can only be extended with unanimous support, somewhat unlikely I think)
Anyone else reckon that all the old historical disagreements will come back to haunt us during this period?
My guess is Spain will block everything unless we give them Gibraltar.
Time to start learning Russian seriously, I think.
They could issue a new service pack for windows 7 that is the 10 core with a Windows 7 shell. They could then drop support for Regular 7 very quickly.
However I suspect they will probably drop Skype support for Windows 7, or something similar.
and even beer mats.
(It occurs to me that a certain pub chain who specialise in undercutting the prices of others would not be disadvantaged much if the average Brit's spending power was decimated. They would just inherit the customers from more expensive pubs. The end of cheap booze runs would not hurt them either. And if it were a little harder to go to Euro matches in person, then their pubs would be fuller on those match days.)
By slipping Nokia a bung to kill their own systems, they alienated a large chunk of Nokia's smart phone customers. (Of the four former N8 users I know, 2 have Samsungs, 1 a Sony and the other a pureview.)
Techies will be aware of Microsoft's history of pulling the plugs on non x86 systems. (And incompatibility of hardware and software between major Win CE/pho versions is effectively the same).
Non techies will be aware of the amount of work required to keep a Windows PC running smoothly and the phone will be associated with that reputation. (Despite the fact that the windows core itself must be pretty damn good to even work at all with amount of garbage they load it up with by default).
And because each version is a new platform features and apps are lacking.
However, I do not see it as a total loss for them, without them killing Nokia phones and gifting their market to Samsung, Symbian might have held onto its market share (since each new version fixed more niggles) and so Microsoft would have missed out on lots of Android patent use royalties.
Lloyds bank works fine without it.
I am extremely irritated by smoking, but I have no problem with people using unflavoured vapes right next to me, however the flavoured ones are often close to as bad as real cigarettes.
At least for a couple of months, until England votes to leave the EU. :(
It prevents all the silly squabbles between the different EU nations from escalating. (Trade wars, hundred year wars, world wars, etc.)
It seems to me that there are only two likely outcomes of the two year exit negotiations. (To extend it beyond that requires unanimous agreement of all states, which would seem unlikely).
A complete exit with no agreements. This will result in the obvious tit for tat regulations and actions (perhaps the £35K rule for foreign workers which would then apply to EU workers, might be adopted by the EU for English/UK workers in the EU). Any EU country with an issue with us would be free to screw us over.
The other option is England becoming simply part of the EEA. This would mean business as usual, (except that we would not have to meet so many environmental and work related minimum standards) however this would be exactly what the kippers wrongly claim the EU is, so is hardly likely to be satisfactory to them.
Also has it occurred to no-one that after a brexit the EU might offer relocation grants/sweeteners for businesses that wished to remain within the EU (the obvious ones being data centres and multinational EU headquarters)?
Of course all relevant business decisions will wait until the result of the referendum. (I have already noticed that the contractor market has been a bit dry, with upgrades and expansion being put off, because it would be simpler to buy new kit in the new offices in the event of a brexit vote.)
If the result of the referendum is overall exit, but with Scotland being stronger remain than they were remain in the UK, then decisions might even be put off until after that had been sorted. (Easier to relocate to a different part of the UK that won't be leaving.)
Business will assume the worst possible result for the exit conditions and plan for that. The one thing they know is that the UK will remain within the EU for 2 years from the date of notices of withdrawal. (Which in my expectation will be 31st Dec this year, to allow time for a second Scottish referendum.)
2017 (and perhaps 2018) should be rich pickings for IT contractors (all those relocations) , however it would be very wise to invest any earnings carefully for the drought that will follow. I certainly wouldn't like to be poor in a post brexit England.
It was the presence of an Atom processor that was the deciding factor in me not buying an Asus Fonepad. (It was a choice between that and a Q5, so I was stuffed anyway of course)
The uncertainty of the result especially now it seems there is a significant risk England will vote to leave, has caused a drop in the pound. Someone will have made some money from that. I wonder who.
That is the reason for the referendum.
If we happen to leave they will make even more money.
It would be nice, but I don't think it is sadly.
My Q5 is failing (Battery) I have pretty much decided to replace it with a dual sim phablet. (If there isn't a physical keyboard, I need a BIG screen.)
I certainly won't be paying BlackBerry prices for a new phone that comes with Android or an abandoned system (that isn't feature complete).
However since I may be getting a work tablet, I may just hold off as long as I can. (I just noticed linphone is available for BB10 now, thought very buggy as yet).
After about a year of arguments after leaving them, they finally gave in. So that alone would stop me advocating them, but then they bought Blinkbox converted it to TalkTalk TV and dropped support for the PS3.
They cited lack of popularity, but I think that many potential users were waiting for it to support HD before investing in it, for anything other than UV replay. I know I was.
That's the sort of price I was waiting for when they hadn't killed the system.
I was gearing up to get a Passport to replace my Q5, when they announced the Priv, and I had convinced a friend to get a Q30 to replace his N8.
He has now decided to get an N808 (there are still unused stocks, apparently.)
I am now planning to get an E6, (if I'm going to have an obsolete system, I may as well have one with good maps and battery life.) Though if a Passport came along at the right price, I doubt I'd turn it down.
I suspect their transition to Android will be as successful as Nokia's transition to WinPho.
I've gone one better - the plugin isn't installed on Firefox
About 12 years ago I worked in a school.
I demonstrated to a social worker how much information was hidden within word files. All the blood drained from her skin.
Another time I had to try to email a security video viewer executable to the local police. Obviously their firewall blocked it. When I embedded it in a word file it went straight through.
If I had a Mac Pro Tower in each hand I'd be well over that. (In fact one, would probably do it.)
Mine are all well over that.
Yes. (The old clients still connect, and pidgin works fine, I generally set it up on any multi client I use.)
Several months ago I mentioned in a forum that I'd not used it for several years, and of course within 24 hours I'd had 2 unrelated conversations using it. (I have an 8 digit user name, which is old)
But I think I have used ICQ more recently than BBM.
I generally use Telegam Messenger and Whatsapp now.
That is exactly what could happen.
If no agreement is reached after two years, our membership is terminated. This means EU laws do not apply here, unless they are adopted by act of parliament.
I am not sure it would even be viable to adopt the whole lot, I suspect each law would have to be looked at and judged adopt/replace/drop.
It will certainly keep our civil servants busy, re working 40 years of law.
Lots of apps work on my Q5 from the play store. Some fail due to the square screen. And some complain about lack of google services, then appear to work.