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So we'll now see the Police vigorously pursuing lots of other cases like this because they get a cut of the wonga that the victims have had stolen from them?
What next? When you're burgled, they retrieve your property, but they'll get to keep your flat-screen TV...?
"lick your palm and sniff it" method
... rather presumes your hands are clean first...!
"limited" != vague and ill-defined
"the prevention and detection of crime or where it is in the interests of national security"
And who decides these "interests"? The Police? Some Civil Servant? Wacky Jacqui?
Or are we looking at just more Function Creep where these "limits" will be extended time and time again because "well, it might be useful"...?
> The police are just one part of a very very broken political system....
Yes, I agree entirely, and when you have the Police deciding what the law is, let alone "advising" the Government what the law should be or being asked as part of a flawed consultation process, it doesn't make the system any better.
The point is that each group, Police, CPS, Judiciary, Parliament should stick to their own areas of experience and not try to interfere with the others.
"the big question of who ultimately makes the law in the UK: the police or the courts"
I hope Colin Port does end up in jail, because perhaps then it will stop the so-called Association of Chief Police Officers from acting as a self-serving group whose only job is to ensure that *they* decide what the law should be
We have Parliament to make the laws, the CPS to prosecute them and the Courts to Judge them. The Police need to keep to their own mandate of "Maintaining the Queen's Peace", not interfere in the actions of the others simply because they don't like what someone may have done.
> that only makes selling the unsanitised data to a single news paper even worse. That means that there may be certain MPs up to all sorts of dirty tricks, who the Telegraph chose not to name and shame - which we will never find out about.
I don't follow this argument.
If the Telegraph hadn't got hold of this, I'm sure that a lot of "dirty tricks" would have been sanitsed out of the data, so we'd never have found out about them anyway.
And you are making wild assumptions about this person being "willing to be bribed". If the Telegraph paid them *to* steal the information, yes, that would be bribery, but offering it for sale is not the same thing.
And probably they're going to need that dosh to pay for their defence team when TPTB try to throw the book at them for making them look bad.
> How someone managed to smuggle data from a classified machine onto a (presumably) external hard disc
Perhaps they just bought a second hand drive on eBay...!
Of course what this story really shows is, like the nurse who blew the whistle on the terrible treatment given to patients, The Powers That Be will come down on you like a ton of bricks if you make them look bad :-(
> They have been listing people from Southampton as being in Portsmouth!!!!!!!!
So, moving the scummers up-market then... :-P
And of course...
... if anyone on the inside dares to try to "blow the whistle" on security failings of this system in use, no doubt they'll face professional ruin, just as the NHS nurse who videoed the shoddy treatment being given to patients did.
The implicit warning being "Don't rock the boat or we'll feed you to the sharks..."
"a place that governments couldn't reach."
Doesn't stop them trying to get their grubby fingers on it however as they try to stop us looking at "Dangerous Pictures'
Buy your new...
.... Government approved footwear now!
Every breath you take
Every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
We'll be watching you...
"believe a criminal offence may have been committed..."
"... in relation to the way in which information relating to Members' allowances has been handled"
And how about the way that Members have stuck their snouts in the public trough?
Wacky Jacqui said...
"The decision to terminate the contract was not taken lightly - it was taken after detailed consideration and legal and technical advice."
Yet despite a lot of legal and technical advice, she still ploughs ahead with the DNA database and ID Cards and the National Identity Register etc...
And, of course, because it's a "National Security Issue" we're never going to *see* the "advice" they were given, but it must have been pretty spectacular to make them can the project.
Why am I reminded of Oolon Colluphid's trilogy of philosophical block-busters:
"Where God went wrong."
"Some more of God's greatest mistakes."
"Who is this God person anyway?"
Not to mention:
"Well that about wraps it up for God!"
Thumb up as I'm Hitch-Hiking around the Galaxy...
Jacqui Smith said:
> These new proposals will ensure that the right people are on it,
ie everyone possible (well, apart from Wacky Jacqui and other Labour Party Members who have misappropriated public funds)
> as well as considering where people should come off.
ie nobody at all.
> We will ensure that the most serious offenders are added to the database no matter when or where they were convicted.
Or even *IF* they were convicted at all...
Talk about taking the piss!!
If you object to this as much as I do, contact your MP via http://www.writetothem.com and make your objections clear!
Are they from Brisle?
(For those who aren't aware, the Bristol accent tends to add an "L" sound on the end of words, hence "Eval Turnel, Primal Donnal of the Carl Rosal Operal")
... can they build a shark with a frickin' laser on its head...?
One rule for them...
... another for us...
'requiring YouTube to moderate its entire content "doesn’t seem over-burdensome"'
Of course not, it's not the Government's problem, is it?
I'm waiting for...
... I'm an Apple iPhone
... I'm a Microsoft Zune
Well, given that their current adverts seem to be nothing more than willy waving...!
... did he also record the event and put it on Youtube for posterity...?!
... DHS meets Mythbusters!
What a great idea....
I'm sure Wacky Jacqui and co will be thinking of the possibilities of getting everyone's DNA on file with a simple "Won't Someone Think Of The Children!" campaign...
Another statement from...
... the Department of the Bleeding Obvious!
Of course it's easier to read something if it's well structured, just as EULAs etc are easier to read if they're not crunched into a tiny box or you're forced to scroll by them in a window that only shows one line at a time...!
Re: Cartoons of Child Sex Abuse
eVictims has simply got it wrong (or are victims of wishful thinking)
These images *are* (at present) legally different from photographs because they are not a) real or b) traced or otherwise copied from real images.
The Coroners and Justice Bill is trying to change this, but if it does, there's no doubt in my mind that the Government will then immediately push to extend this to drawings, cartoons or computer generated images of "extreme pornography"...
Re: But only *one* web-ring?!?
One Web Ring to Rule them All...
America's Moral Minority strikes again...
Jones was actually a Lance Corporal...
The Right of Freedom of Expression comes with the attendant *responsbility* to use that right, well, responsibly.
All of the examples you give are not, of course, responsible uses of that right, but I really don't see how that equates with someone saying that you do not have the right to do whatever you wish with something you have bought and paid for.
The time is 21:20
... and it's still there!
BTW I've also noticed that they haven't even made an *effort* to obscure the card holders' signatures...!
There are also concerns...
... about the use of anonymised records for pharmaceutical research.
Not to mention you suddenly starting to receive targeted adverts for anti-cholesterol medicines or nicotine patches or erectile dysfunction pills...
I thought I had swine flu...
... turned out I was just hogging my food.
(What? Too soon?!)
Not a "central database" then...
... but still a record of who we have been communicating with which the Government etc can access at will...
... Hmm, I feel so much safer now...
(Presumption of Innocence? Not in this country any more!)
Re: Convenience Fee...
... it's just occurred to me that, since the bailout, we now own 60% of RBS...
> amounting to 1.95 percent of the amount a taxpayer owes.
That's not a "convenience fee", it's a licence to print money!
Which part of...
... "It's none of your damn business" don't they understand...?
"er, obvious solution - move it to a new venue"
Brilliant, Kieron, why didn't anyone else think of that?
Of course you'll already know just how easy it is to find a venue that's happy to host fetish events, that won't charge ridiculous rents and possibly a "per head" fee on top, that's accessible, that's not booked solid with other events...?
One way or another we'll monitor you...
Speaking as someone who makes and supplies BDSM gear (including, almost certainly, to some of the patrons of TG) and someone who has attended many Fetish Events for the last ten years or so, I can remember maybe three or four incidents of trouble over that time.
What I can also recall is several incidents where club goes have been "outed" by the gutter press, for instance when the News of the Screws did an "expose" of The Bridge which resulted in a woman teacher being sacked even though what she was doing in private had absolutely nothing to do with her job.
Now imagine the damage they could do to people if they managed to infiltrate TG or SE One and get their hands on the membership list.
The fact that the Home Office and the Police seem to think that this isn't their problem just shows how little they really care about the security of our data, they are just interested in foisting these systems on more and more people under the guise of "licensing requirements" or other such excuses.
Their aim is, of course, simply to get people used to this as part of the creeping expansion of the surveillance society, along with fingerprinting in schools and pubs being told to put in CCTV on the door or they won't get their licences renewed, so they can eventually sneak in ID cards and the National Identity Register by the back door.
printing out the parts of its own replacement....
Err, boss, we just told this machine to print out the parts for its own replacement and instead it printed out a hand with two fingers extended...
"just say 'No!' because they can"
No, I say "NO" because I don't trust you with my data!
Of course the fact that I can say "no" doesn't mean that you're going to pay a blind bit of notice, does it?
See Snopes for the truth about the Space Pen...
If it ain't broke...
... don't fix it!
What is so wrong with the "stupid old pencils" system when it *works* perfectly well? Why is it necessary to replace it with something "modern" that has shown to be flawed and subject to (untraceable) abuse?
Modernisation is all very well where it's needed, but doing it just because you can isn't sensible, as this debacle has demonstrated.
"a daily list of about 1,500 sites"???
Is that 1,500 new sites every day, then...?
And as for this not being a "backdoor to censorship", pardon my derisive laughter!
We've already seen the nonsense of the bans applied to Wikipedia et al because of an album cover, what else is out there that might contain (alleged) child porn because it features young looking women? (A lot of Japanese women appear to be "underage" to western eyes)
Meanwhile a lot of kiddie porn gets distributed via IRC or P2P or other such methods, something this law will do nothing to stop...
I'm not a lawyer....
... but IIRC in the UK such things are covered under the Unfair Contract Terms act which specifically prohibits such restrictions being imposed by a business on a consumer.
> Why don't they just cut off machines on their networks that are so obviously sending spam?
Ok, so, somehow, through no fault of your own, your PC gets infected.
No problem, you think, I'll download software to disinfect it...
... err, hang on, I've been cut off by my ISP...
... how much does it cost the Taxpayer when a Government agency loses one...?
The intelligence agencies have neither the inclination nor the resources...
He missed out the operative word "... yet".
Now they have the inclination and they'll probably very soon have the resources.
All they need after that is a pet Home Secretary who thinks that introducing Stasi-like monitoring of everyone is a good idea...
... oh s$$t, they've already got Wacky Jacqui...
The sound of my BBC Model B Micro booting...!
£15m in the bank...?
... here come the new Carpet Baggers.
How about they spend some of the money to provide a better service?
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