4510 posts • joined Friday 19th January 2007 17:59 GMT
'there were things on the internet that...
'... "any normal human being would be offended by".'
You do NOT have the right to not be fucking offended!
And what the hell gives *YOU* the right to decide who is "normal" and who isn't let alone decide that something should be denied to others because *you* consider it offensive?
Once again we see someone attempting to sneak through a restriction of freedom of expression based on the idea that "we don't like this, so you are not allowed to see it".
I think you've just manged to completely miss the point.
Google took the clip down when they were made aware of it, but the prosecutors in this case are saying that the defendants in this case were found guilty because "Google should have sought permission from those involved before putting the video online".
To say that Google should pre-screen *everything* that someone puts on GoogleVid is like saying that the Post Office should pre-screen every letter sent via their service, it is completely unfeasible and a ridiculous law.
@JimC - The law is an ass!
If you follow the logic of your argument through, then Google will have to pre-screen every bit of content according to the laws of *EVERY* country in the world!
What if you choose to post a clip making fun of Kemal Ataturk, the founder of Modern Turkey? That's illegal in that country, so should Google have to pre-screen and refuse to distribute it because the Turks don't like it?
And what about all those naughty clips which are illegal in many other countries? How can google pre-screen everything unless they employ specialist staff from every country in the world to check that they're not breaching each country's law?
I have no love for Google, but if they don't fight this one and win it will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression across the world.
"Assuming they can get that right"
And that's the worry. Simply taking eg someone's name off the records might not be enough if there are other ways to link patient data together, just as what happened with "anonymised" search details.
But I agree if this can be done then the NHS should be well compensated for the information.
Clinical testing in the UK...
... has diminished because we have introduced all those pesky regulations designed to stop the people from being victims of negligence in trials such as this one:
It's far better (well, cheaper and more profitable) now for Pharmaceutical companies to do their trials on poor Indian people because the regulations are much more lax, the people are less well informed, there is little transparency on who is actually on the ethics committee which approves the trial, and if something goes wrong they don't have to pay so much compensation...
... I expected Lewis to say that we should scrap the Victory, sell it off for firewood and import an historic US ship to put in its place...
The post is required, and must contain letters.
"Wanna buy a RL-10 rocket booster, Guv?
"One careful owner, fell off the back of an Atlas launcher if you know what I mean..."
But seriously, WTF??? How does one of these "go missing" and end up on eBay? It's not as if you can hide it under your coat when you leave work!!
PS And who the hell would be searching on eBay for one of these, let alone bidding on it anyway?
Does anyone remember that?
I think so, but I was distracted by a documentary about Catholic High School Girls...
... would you call it Lave?
... the "Spawn of Satan" icon is representative of how your breath will smell...!
... the instant healing is giving a bit of trouble at the moment, so it gets a bit messy!
"this request from this judge"
It's not a request, it's an order: "the US district court for Nevada ordered the offending sites be: "De-indexed and/or removed from any search results pages …"
If you really are someone who works with Search Engines, I suggest you list the ones that you work for so people can ensure that you are actually obeying the law, rather than saying "OMG this Judge says we have to de-list them, so we must do that immediately, regardless of due process or any other such legal niceties."
"We just need the right information at the right time, which Cluzee intelligently provides"
So their application "intelligently" decides what the "right" information is.
But is that what you *need* to know or what their sponsors and advertising partners decide would be most beneficial to them for you to know...?
... they bankrupt each other with these constant stupid and petty patent squabbles.
Maybe then we'll see some sanity return to the world as the next generation realise that their predecessors completely broke the system with their greed and work out something sensible.
"the Martian explorer's beam...
"...can be sustained only for tiny instants of time"
Ah, so it's a 1MW Pulse Laser.
They need to hyperspace to a system with a higher Tech Level and sell off a cargo at a decent profit to at least upgrade to a Beam Laser.
Mine's the one with the "Right on, Commander!" badge...
... Just make sure that a) the purchase value is over £100 and b) you use a credit card (not a debit card) to buy the goods.
That way, under Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act the card company is jointly and severally liable for the transaction, so if anything goes wrong and Best Buy don't want to play, you can tell your card company to sort it or give you your money back :-)
Taxi! Follow those goalposts...
You said "For all you know, he could have got an uninterrupted eight hours every night", but when I cite proof that he did not, you dodge the issue and try to ignore it claiming that I have "debunked" myself. As for it not being sleep deprivation, let me wake you "several times during the night" and we'll see how non-sleep-deprived you feel the next morning (and the next when I do it again...)
You said "I think you'll find the logs were made available to the prosecution", but I can't find any proof of that other than your claim. You could have backed this up with a cite, but instead you again dodge the issue saying "Anything made available to the prosecution is made available to the defence" (I could point to numerous cases of miscarriages of justice where this has not happened, but I expect you to ignore that too)
As for Manning not being taken off suicide watch, your argument appears to be that you consider "cover your ass" to be more important than respecting someone's rights.
Oh and finally I have severe astigmatism. My eyes are -10 dioptres on the right and -11 on the left which technically means I am classed as "partially sighted". Yet I am sitting here, typing this with my glasses on and able to see perfectly clearly, however were I to take my glasses off I would be unable to see anything clearly more than about three inches away.
So again when you claim "there is NO WAY they coulf have lifted his vision to the point where it was acceptable " you demonstrate that you have no idea what you're talking about.
And finally you seem to think that an accusation of treason is sufficient to justify pre-emptively punishing someone before any conviction has been made by a court of law.
As with the other thread, feel free to have the last word.
I can see now that it is utterly pointless trying to have a reasonable debate with you. Anything that doesn't fit in with your preconceived ideas is either dismissed or ridiculed with childish comments about "bleaters" or nonsensical assumptions about other posters' motivations.
You ignore anything that you don't agree with and when someone demonstrates you are mistaken you try to shift the goal posts and then claim that you have "proved" that the other person is wrong.
Your argument above about the RoE is a perfect example, how exactly was shooting up people (including children) trying to help wounded "protecting" the soldiers on the ground? How exactly were they "threatening" to their comrades' safety? They weren't of course, but that's not your problem, is it?
And as for I "don't just hold the lives of armed militia as more value than those of the US soldiers on the ground" the Rules of Warfare don't make anyone standing nearby someone who may be carrying a weapon a fair target, unless, of course, you're in the US and can use the words "Collateral Damage" to mean "murdering innocent people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time".
Please feel free to get the last word in this thread, I've wasted enough time on someone who isn't willing to listen to any other opinion than his own.
... and surely, they drew their plans against us!
But have they found the Underhenge yet...
... and what about the Pandorica?
(PS: Yes, I know...!)
Re: RE: @Matt Bryant
No, I can't say *exactly* how many times he was woken, however quoting from the New Statesman:
"At night, Manning is stripped to his underwear and has to sleep under blankets that he says give him carpet burn. He is usually woken several times throughout the night by guards."
Now are you saying that the New Statesman Magazine is just another "bleater"?
You claim that "I think you'll find the logs were made available to the prosecution", yet despite searching, I can't find any factual basis for this and, in any case, why would the *prosecution* want to see the logs? It's is the *defence* who need them!
What I have found, however, is that "A Freedom of Information Act request for documents on accused whistleblower to WikiLeaks Pfc. Bradley Manning’s treatment at Quantico Marine brig, filed by POLITICO, reveals on multiple occasions Manning was recommended for removal from “prevention of injury” (POI) status by psychiatrists and psychologists but was not removed."
So medical officers and doctors said that Manning wasn't a suicide risk, yet those who were holding him decided to keep him on that status anyway.
Oh and as regards "If his vision was that bad without glasses he would never have been accepted for service!" a little bit of searching has found that bad eyesight does not preclude someone from joining the US Army as long as their *corrected* vision with glasses passes the required standard. But let me guess, you don't need glasses, because if you did you'd understand what it's like to have everything more than a short distance in front of you rendered as a vague blur.
And finally as for "HIS ACTIONS PUT HIM WHERE HE IS NOW", might I remind you of the principle of presumption of innocence?
Oh deary, deary me, Matt Bryant.
Please do a little more thinking before going off on another of your little tirades.
There is a *big* difference between the "we were only obeying orders when we tortured detainess" defence and the "we were following the Rules of Engagement, honest!" defence.
Trying to equate the two to justify the US Military's exoneration of the Apache helicopter crew for murdering innocent people (including those trying to assist the killed and wounded who were clearly *not* a threat) is simply ridiculous.
The Liberator was the DSV 2 built by "The System"
(Yes, that's my anorak!)
"Star Trek: Voyager took ships into CG and they tended to take on a certain sleeker look over this period such as Babylon 5"
B5 predated Voyager and was using CGI ships with the rendering being done on Amigas!
Or perhaps a Knife Missile?!
You're probably looking for something broadcast by South Today as Penny Mordaunt, MP for Portsmouth North raised this matter in Parliament regarding the seats in the 450 class as operated by South West trains which are ridiculously small (16.9 inches wide, ie smaller than my keyboard!)
IIRC to get the requisite certificate to carry a set number of passengers, the manufacturers have to demonstrate that the aeroplane can be evacuated in 90 seconds.
Perhaps there should be a requirement that the passenger manifest should contain at least two lard-arses to block seat rows and aisles which should ensure that there's adequate space for everyone!
@Engine on a stick
Yes, the Liberator was based on a cordless microphone, however originally it was intended to fly the opposite way ie with what became the "green bulb" engine at the front.
Fortunately Terry Nation decided it should go the other direction and thus created one of the most iconic ships ever.
So, no longer Trial by Tabloid...
... now it will be Trial By Twitter.
PC 456 tweets: Spoke to man after complaints of someone hanging around near childrens' playground.
Daily Mail reader nearby re-tweets this and says "I saw the Policeman talking to Fred Bloggs from down the road, he must be a kiddy fiddler"!
The fact that Mr Bloggs was waiting for his ex-wife to deliver their kid because they have joint custody and the PC accepted this explanation doesn't get out there and Mr Bloggs now has his reputation besmirched.
"How *dare* these plebs think that they should have a say in the decision making process? They should enjoy the Bread and Circuses of the Dole and X-Factor and not worry their little heads about things that are above them...!"
Yes, writing to your MP might (depending on who they are) get a response, but why should it be necessary when all you want to say is "I agree with this"? Just because the web makes creating a petition and getting people to sign it easier doesn't make it any less valid than one signed by people in the street.
Of course the fact is that many Ministers like Simon Burns are so arrogant that they don't think they have to listen to the general public in the first place, so whatever sort of petition you raise, it will still be ignored.
I notice that your post above has three Upvotes, so that's three people who are basically agreeing with "Wot 'e said".
So please allow me to be the voice of dissent (or "Not wot 'e said") as I Downvote you.
There is a difference between elective surgery and that which is medially necessary. The former can be thought about, considered and then the patient can make a decision as to whether to go ahead with it or not, in the latter case a decision may have to be made quickly (either by the patient or an appropriate medical professional) to save someone's life.
Groupon shouldn't even be anywhere near either of these.
Re: RE: Only following orders?
So the US Military investigates the actions of the US Military and one part of the US Military decides that the other part of the US Military hasn't committed a war crime!
I hope that Manning's lawyers are sharper than you in spotting a blatant conflict of interest.
My mistake, it wasn't every fifteen minutes, it was every *five* minutes that the guards were supposed to check on him and they were authorised to wake him to check he was ok any time at which they couldn't see his face.
You can find this information here: http://www.bradleymanning.org/news/manning-removed-from-two-day-suicide-watch-attorney-files-complaint-calls-action-punitive
Please can you try to comprehend the difference between the selective breeding of plants and animals to reinforce (or remove) traits that are already present in that species and using recombinant DNA techniques to splice in gene sequences from entirely unrelated species.
Re: "Being a dominatrix is, er, an acquired skill?"
Most definitely. Regrettably, due to the influence of bad films, bad TV and bad fiction, many "working ladies" seem to have the idea that all you need to do is put on a corset and a pair of thigh boots and stamp around shouting and hitting someone with a whip.
The actual professional ladies (many of whom are customers of mine!) deride these people for their lack of competence and also for them bringing the whole idea of Safe, Sane and Consensual Domination into disrepute.
What it's like now...
I stopped taking a stall at Erotica back in 2003 and I've never regretted it.
The organisers are simply interested in how much money they can get from stall holders and punters and they long ago priced almost all the niche suppliers out of exhibiting. Now what you have is a cross between a glorified Ann Summers shop and totally irrelevant stalls eg tooth-whitening products made an appearance again!
Oh and next year's show is going to be held in the smaller National Hall instead of Olympia 2 because there are simply no longer enough people willing to pay the exhorbitant prices that Erotica are asking and the owners of Olympia won't let them make the aisles any larger. (If you went up to the gallery level and looked down you could see huge areas of empty carpet which, in long-ago years would have been filled with stalls).
Oh dear, I suggest you re-read my post (especially that last part in brackets) with your Irony Detector switched on!
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