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... to the new Moderatrix! :-)
Pots and kettles come to mind...
... given the way the BBC manage to spoil upcoming drama with trailers that give away big plot points or the return of the Cybermen in Doctor Who by putting a bloody Cyberman on the front cover of the Radio Times...!!!
There are now people who are extracting gold and other ores from tailings which, when they were initially dug, weren't financially viable to bother about.
Now that the seams are played out and others are much harder to extract it becomes worthwhile to start dealing with what was originally thrown away as "rubbish".
... is what "hacking" is really about!
It's just a shame that the general media have no clue and use the same word to describe DDoS attacks etc...
"who would decide to buy Viagra from a random site in these circumstances"
The same sort of person who actually believes that a person writing to them out of the blue has $15,000,000 (fifteen million dollars) to give to them...
Reply to MMMM
I am well aware of Sex Trafficking. I am also aware that ludicrous figures have been bandied about regarding it, for instance former Minister for Europe, Dennis McShane's claim of twenty five *thousand* women being trafficked into the uk which was shown to be utterly false (see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/22/gov_proposals/ and http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/trafficking-numbers-women-exaggerated for more details) especially when the last Government's Pentameter 2 inquiry "failed to find a single person who had forced anybody into prostitution in spite of hundreds of raids on sex workers in a six-month campaign by government departments, specialist agencies and every police force in the country." (See http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails )
There again there were the 40,000 sex workers who were expected to be trafficked to the Commonwealth Games in Delhi. There were also 40,000 sex workers (the same 40,000 or a different 40,000?) supposed to be arriving at the World Cup in South Africa, the Winter Olympics in Vancouver, and the last World Cup in Germany who, somehow, didn't surface (see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/07/olympic_workers/ )
I agree that FAC are, of course, against trafficking, but when you have groups such as the Poppy Project (who get Home Office funding) using that money to influence government policy by artificially boosting their claims of the numbers of trafficked women then it becomes entirely relevant to the discussion.
You say that "Forcing women to perform for porn production is rape" and, yes, I can agree with that too, but exactly *how many* women are "forced" into it and how many decide to do it of their own free will? I think you will find that the latter number vastly exceeds the former. Should all women be treated as "victims" because of this? (And what about men? Or are none of them "forced" into it?)
By the way, at this point I should comment that I would be quite within my rights to call a Godwin on your desperate attempt to discredit Professor D'Amato with your reference to Auschwitz, but instead I will simply point out how pathetic that argument is and ignore it as a contemptible red herring.
You also try to discredit him with comments about him not being an "intellectual heavyweight" because his essay is only six pages and then make assertions about him "encouraging the growth of industry" from "dubious unregulated sources" (really? See 18-USC-2257 http://www.articlecity.com/articles/legal/article_2672.shtml ) and conflating that with a claim that "many of whom have been charged with forcing sexual labour" (who are these "many people"? Please cite some figures before making wild claims) and then, having conflated all this together you make the laughable accusation of *him* of not being a "responsible academic".
At the end you say "Your cite your sources well my friend, but you're more interested in attacking me than you are in having a serious debate" yet you stoop to Ad Hominem attacks on Professor D'Amato bringing to mind comments about pots and kettles.
Finally you say "Look up on Sex Trafficking please." making a despairing grab for the Debating Fallacy of Appeal to Emotion. "Isn't this terrible? It's so terrible that we *must* do something about it because no matter what the facts are, we should ignore them and *DO SOMETHING* because it's so terrible!"
The evidence that shows the flaws in your arguments is out there, it's not much effort to look...
"Professor D'Amato has completely missed the point. Is that because he's a man who has never read a page of feminist literature?"
Or perhaps he's actually a scientist who looks at *all* the evidence, rather than just believing the claims of Dworkinite "All Men Are Rapists!" feminists who cherry pick the data that suits them (see the bottom of this linked page for reference to Donnerstein and bicycles http://libertus.net/censor/rdocs/xrhoax7.html or the Rapid Evidence Assessment which three feminist anti-pornography campaigners produced to justify the last Governments "Dangerous Pictures Act" banning so-called Extreme Pornography)
And, tell me, have you ever heard of a group called Feminists Against Censorship (see http://www.fiawol.demon.co.uk/FAC/ ) these are women who are opposed to other women demanding that (mostly male!) law makers pass legislation telling *them* what they can do with their own bodies!
As for Linda Lovelace's claims about in Deep Throat, firstly she must be an incredible actress to be able to perform as if she was enjoying it whilst "having a gun at her head" and secondly it was obviously such a traumatising event that, instead of going to the police, she made a sequel a couple of years later.
Finally, it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about because you bring up the tired old myth of snuff films that, despite over 40 years of searching, the FBI, the British Police and many other law enforcement agencies have *NEVER* found a single example of.
Before you tell people to "please go get the real facts", try getting some real facts yourself.
A story from my grandfather...
... He spent some time in Africa when he was in the Forces and at one point was hospitalised.
Outside the hospital was a row of trees which were eventually cut down because the patients found the site of large numbers of local vultures perched in them somewhat disconcerting...!
I can save the Government a billion pounds easily...
... I'll offer to do some work for them for £2billion, then when someone objects, cut the price to £1billion.
There you go, a billion quid saved.
Since the Tracy Lords Case in the USA (she used a fake Drivers Licence to claim she was 20 instead of 15) they have had 18-USC-2257 which requires documentary proof to be kept on file to demonstrate that a performer is over 18 and thus a consenting adult.
Unfortunately in the UK it's much more subjective, to the extent that if even a *drawing* looks "under age" you can be prosecuted for child porn.
There was also the demand in Australia by some nutters who wanted pictures of women with small breasts banned because "well they look like children"...!!
@The Indomitable Gall
"Most films play their rape scenes for titillation"
Really? Care to cite some examples? I doubt you'll be able to because the BBFC guidelines state:
"A strict policy on sexual violence and rape is applied. Content which might eroticise or endorse sexual violence may require cuts at any classification level. This is more likely with video works than film because of the potential for replaying scenes out of context. Any association of sex with
non-consensual restraint, pain or humiliation may be cut."
As for "it could be that porn moulds the fantasies and desires that lead to sexual violent, and that once this genie is out of the bottle, you've got to keep feeding the beast to make sure it doesn't dine on the villagers...."
Ignoring the woefully mixed metaphor, you're just arguing for the Nanny State "Precautionary Principle" that "well, we don't *know* that this is bad, but we'll ban it anyway, just to be on the safe side".
@ "what about the children harmed in production?"
There is already a solution to that problem, or, at least, there was until the last Government in their final desperate attempts to grab votes in their "Won't Someone Think Of The Children" campaign put the kybosh on it by introducing the "Dangerous Drawings" Act whereby a complete fictitious drawing (ie not taken from life or a photograph of actual abuse) or even a 3d rendering of something that looks like a child became illegal.
Of course this was just another stupid and unenforceable law (like the Dangerous Pictures Act outlawing so-called Extreme Porn) but it made for good headlines in the tabloids.
The "Porn Causes Rape" arguments have long been shown to be fallacious, but they keep getting repeated by those whose real position is "I don't like this, so *you* shouldn't be allowed to see it", indeed some campaigners are still trying to cite Donnerstein who thought he'd shown a link between porn and violence towards women but then subsequently withdrew his findings when he found that the same results could be achieved by getting subjects to ride an exercise bike for 10 minutes (should be ban exercise bikes, then?!)
It is good to see that Anthony D'Amato's results back up the findings of Milton Diamond PhD of the University of Hawai'i who also found that an increase in the availability of pornography lead to a reduction in sexual offences (including those with children as victims):
"It is certainly clear from the data reviewed, and the new data and analysis presented, that a massive increase in available pornography in Japan, the United States and elsewhere has been correlated with a dramatic decrease in sexual crimes and most so among youngsters as perpetrators or victims."
Of course this will be most unlikely to persuade the current administration to reverse the Dangerous Drawings Act in the near future because the Tabloids would love to jump up and shout "Coalition Promotes Kiddy Porn" so because of the wilful ignorance of a vocal minority, there will actually be a *greater* risk to children.
Bravo to them.
"Over 90 per cent of site visitors...
"...declined to accept a Google Analytics cookie"
So just like all of us who block GA using NoScript...
"So are you one of those people who think that you only need to slow down once you've passed the sign?"
Given that I'm an IAM member, the answer to that is no.
However the point is that the camera van *could* be located in a position where it would be visible *before* you reach the 30mph sign thus ensuring that people slow down *as* they reach it. But, of course, that wouldn't be so good for revenue, would it?
And when you say "As for the obscured camera all you need is photographic evidence and the conviction won't stand", you rather miss the point that you won't necessarily even *know* if you've been caught and get the NIP a couple of weeks later, so if you go back subsequently and take a picture, they'll just argue that "well we say it wasn't in that position when we caught you, let's see you prove otherwise".
As for "your local speed camera partnership advertises when those cameras are in use on their web site", I quote from the Hampshire "Safety Camera Partnership" site:
"Enforcement can take place on any road at any time. Camera locations and routes are approximate.
"Please note, we can carry out speed enforcement on any road at any time."
So, no, they *don't* advertise when they are in use and their map simply shows a length of road (which can be several miles long) where a camera *might* be.
I have no objection to cameras where they will actually *do* some good. I do object when they are placed with the seeming intent of simply raising revenue.
Pie Jesu Domine...
... dona eis requiem.
"thousands of men who have been accused of rape...
"... will have their details removed from the DNA database under government plans"
In other words, thousands of men who have *NOT* been found guilty of rape will be considered to be innocent as per the fundamental principle of justice in this country.
Which is fine, unless you believe that "all men are rapists"...
studies that "have found causal evidence that playing these games results in harm,"
And those self-same studies have subsequently been discredited for flawed methodology, limited sample sizes or even self-selected sample groups.
It's just good that most of the Supremes don't believe the nonsense produced by people whose real motivation is "we don't like this, so *you* aren't allowed to see it" with a subtext of "Won't Someone Think Of the Children!!" whilst ignoring the fact that it's the responsibility of parents to stop their kids from seeing this stuff.
"the world's only infallible provider of news"
I think the word is "Bull" ;-)
@"There are no secret speed cameras"
That speed camera site linked to above only has the *fixed* camera locations, not favoured mobile locations.
I could show you two locations, one on the A32, another on the A272 where the Hampshire Constabulary "safety camera" van likes to lurk. The first is on a bend after a 30mph limit sign such that if you aren't below 30mph *exactly* as you cross the line, they'll get you. The second is in a layby partly hidden by foliage so the left rear van door (with the speed camera sign on) is not visible and the other door is open with the camera in so all you see is a black rectangle.
Neither of these are in locations where being above the limit is actually dangerous, they're just good locations for trapping people who aren't familiar with that bit of road and who can be nicked for a nice profit.
"individuals have the right to access personal data, known as subject access"
Except that the Data Protection Act allows for exemptions to the right of Subject Access on the grounds of Law Enforcement or National Security...
... methinks I smell a weasel...
To quote Hunter S. Thompson:
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"
American sailors used to drink "Torpedo Juice" which was a mix of pineapple juice and the alcohol used to power torpedoes.
Various methods were tried to stop them doing this but were often circumvented.
Re: Please tell me you are being sarcastic...
Please don't tell us you believe the Daily Fail and the Scumday Mirror et al who want you to think that there's a kiddy fiddler behind every bush and in every passing car.
Please don't tell us that you really think that it's safer to let your kid use the web without supervision or filtering than letting them actually *go outside*?
Or are you just another lazy parent who thinks that it's the job of *everyone else* to take responsibility for and take care of your kids and teach them good behaviour because you can't be bothered to do it yourself?
@Wearing these thing is wrong
Says the Anonymous Coward using the V for Vendetta Mask icon...
I think my Irony Detector is about to go into melt-down...
... what they're saying is that their tablet takes 1'57" to basically do damn all?
David Neyland, DARPA bigwig.
Are his middle names something like Ian Simon...?
(Think about it whilst I get my coat!)
I was expecting this to be another Government Data Loss Via Memory Stick/ Lost PC story...!
'Serving on a jury is a civic duty, and 'getting out of it' is simply selfish and anti-social."
And what if, like me, you run a one-man business? Who is going to take the orders, answer the phone, make products and post them out whilst I'm sitting in a Jury Room?
I have had to decline the opportunity to do Jury Service twice because I simply *cannot afford* to do it.
Back in about 1986 Shell did a "puff-piece" advert featuring their "Shell Grip" road surface which featured a car driving along a dark and rainy road whilst a Black Knight figure looms out of the murk and bats fly around then the car brakes to avoid a lorry that had the registration number STY 666X.
Subsequently the ad was re-edited so the numberplate wasn't visible!
For the facts on some perennial EuroMyths see:
If you don't believe Naked Shorting is fraudulent, I can do you a very good deal on Tower Bridge...
It is clear from your post that we agree on some things as I fundamentally believe that the most important thing about Rights is you *CANNOT* protect one person's rights by taking away someone else's and you *CANNOT* pick and choose who has rights and who doesn't.
Unfortunately in your previous post you said "They were part of the industry and deserve all they get.....and some" which I disagree with and the post above titled "Some More Articles" suggests that they were not "part of the industry" (an "industry" which I consider to be mostly fictitious and a creation of the minds of empire builders like Jim Gamble) and that although you say these guys "have the same basic rights" you then appear to agree with the "give them a good kicking" Daily Mail brigade posting here.
The link in the article above says that "The police investigation into AthenaNews.com found some of its customers had actually abused children" it doesn't say that those who ran the service had abused children, nor that they knew that they were "in possession" of illegal images or that (as the BBC article says) they knew that they were "circulating" the images to "45 countries". I'd think that what that actually means is that their news server had subscribers in 45 countries who downloaded these images which is *not* necessarily the same thing.
The article also quotes DS Gibson who says "to operate a news service like this is not something a normal person could do, it needed a great deal of IT knowledge" which is IMO typical Police bollocks, it's not that difficult to set up a news service, mostly what you need is the money to run the thing, not mega IT skills.
GIven the comment from the Judge of "It seems that never once did the defendants pause to reflect that they were contributing significantly to the international market and to the abuse of children, and even if that did not concern them they did not consider that they were at risk of criminal prosecution." perhaps the reason for this is that they were *NOT* deliberately contributing to some putative "international industry" and they were the unwitting victims of the actions of others, so they chose to plead guilty simply *for* leniency.
As to you being "in the minority" regarding the sentences, that is why we have an independent judiciary who determine sentences based on the law. Having a sentence determined in this way is, of course, another Right.
How do you know I don't? Answer: You don't, you're just making assumptions like many others posting here. As the AC says in the post "We Need To Know More", not simply take as read that they're "evil paedos" etc etc.
What I am defending which is the Justice System, the Right to Presumption of Innocence, the Right to a Fair Trial and, if convicted, the Right to only suffer the punishment prescribed by law (rather than being lynched or getting kicked about by prisoners or even prison guards) to mention just a few.
If we start throwing away Rights because we have to Think of the Children we are on a very slippery slope.
@We Need To Know More
No we don't! They're obviously a bunch of kiddy fiddling paedos who should be locked up with Class A prisoners in order for lynch mob "justice" to be served, why should we bother ascertaining facts or asking questions when all we need to do is to throw away the key!
(Note to certain commentards: The above post may contain irony or even sarcasm...)
We use ANPR to target criminals and unsafe drivers, not law-abiding motorists,
ANPR targets *everyone* who uses the road that the cameras are on, it monitors everyone, it sees every number plate and stores *ALL* the data, not just that from "criminals". If the Police could even just be trusted to delete the information from any vehicle not on a Watch List or which is traveling without tax or insurance, that would be better, but, no, they want to keep it all.
It also does damn all to target "unsafe drivers", it doesn't stop middle-lane hogs, it doesn't stop idiots who hoon up behind you in the outside lane at 100mph flashing their lights because you're in their way when you're making a legal (and safe) overtaking manoeuvre and it certainly doesn't stop Mr Sales Rep or White Van Man with mobile phones pressed to their ears as they slalom in and out of traffic because they think they can save 30 seconds on their journey time.
So I call Bullshit on Andy Piper and I hope more people will too so their phony justifications can be shown for the nonsense they are.
@GURPS that is all
"That is all"???
What about (to name a few) Ogre, G.E.V, Car Wars, Munchkin and, of course, the Awful Green Things from Outer Space!
... they should have gone into Psychiatry instead since that's a growth area in the USA!
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