4506 posts • joined Friday 19th January 2007 17:59 GMT
Oh deary, deary me, rtli-
Now that the fallacies in your arguments have been explained again, but this time in terms that even you cannot wilfully misunderstand, you stoop to ad hominem attacks.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Meanwhile, back in Blighty...
"How fortunate we have a jury-based legal system based on evidence, rather than the deranged examples of an internet poster."
Yet one particular deranged internet poster seems to be happy with the idea of instead of a Jury being told "If the prosecution can't prove their case, you *cannot* find the defendant guilty" them being told "if the defendant cannot prove his innocence you *must* find them guilty".
"Now explain to me why a dichotomy is a bad thing in law?"
Apart from playing sad little word games, you really don't understand this principle of "Presumption of Innocence" do you? Under the system you propose, you either have to incriminate yourself by revealing your password or incriminate yourself by saying "I don't know it" in which case the prosecution says "AHA! He clearly has something to hide therefore the jury must find him guilty!"
Presumed guilty until proven guilty. Bravo.
Re: Re: "We might create guns big enough to shoot things into space"
"The first mass driver known in print was actually called the "electric gun" and described in detail as a way to launch vehicles into outer space from the Earth's surface in the 1897 science fiction novel A Trip to Venus by John Munro and published in 1897 by Jarrold & Sons, London"
Heinlein's story was good, but not the first.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Meanwhile, back in Blighty...
Try researching a little law. Obstructing a Police Officer means, for instance, deliberately getting in his way when he's trying to arrest a suspect. Simply saying "I'm not going to help" is not an offence, nor should it ever be.
As for "if they don't -know- the password", under the sort of laws you seem to prefer, the prosecution could simply claim "the defendant *does* know the password and is refusing to reveal it, so he should be locked up for obstructing us until he tells us what it is!"
In vain would the Defence say "he doesn't know it" because you have presumed guilt and require the Defence to prove innocence. Corrupt cops would *love* that...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Meanwhile, back in Blighty...
Remember than in Britain it's now a criminal offence *not* to give up your password if the Authorities demand it.
Naturally this law was introduce simply to protect us from terrorism. It's not as if anyone else would ever be convicted under it, is it...
[quote]The first person convicted under this law was a vulnerable eccentric who refused to decrypt the files on his laptop when the Met's terror squad told him to. He was convicted and jailed despite prosecutors accepting that he was not involved in terrorism at all.[/quote]
Re: i wonder....
Well in England of course (that noted bastion of freedom...) if you *don't* hand over the password you can be convicted of a crime!
@Anonymous Coward and lotus49
Once again it seems it's necessary to remind people of the principle of Presumption of Innocence.
Requring (or forcing) someone to incriminate themselves or even simply "facilitating the analysis of evidence" means that a suspect has to prove they have not committed a crime, rather than the authorities demonstrating that they *have* done so.
"We might create guns big enough to shoot things into space"
I'm sure I've seen prior art on this...!
Re: Re: The real problem ...
And yet every news report on BBC News 24 today has started with something like "remember the barbecue summer that wasn't?" as if it was the Met Office that got it wrong, rather than the media misunderstanding the fact that a 60% chance means that there's a 40% chance of it *not* happening.
... the only reason 111 wasn't chosen as the Emergency Services number many years ago was that, in the days of pulse dial systems, if the phone lines got blown together in a high wind it was too easy for 111 to be "dialled" by accident (just as you could call a number on a rotary dial phone with a lock on it by tapping out the number on the phone cradle!).
So they picked 999 because it was unlikely to be dialled by accident and it was easy to call it in the dark.
Problem not solved...
... because there are perfectly legitimate businesses who make it clear up front that if you sign up to their services you'll be charged for texts and will stop when requested.
Why should those businesses be affected by an overly broad and draconinan piece of "big boot" legislation?
Just what I was thinking! :-)
Surely that should be no-mobe-o-phobia...
"Right of way" != "Priority"
The term "right of way" specifically means the right to "pass and re-pass" along a piece of land, but it does not mean that you get to go first.
"Priority" occurs when the law states you do have to let someone go first, for instance if you are turning from a major road into a minor road across a Stop or Give Way line and a pedestrian is crossing, they have priority. At a Give Way line going from a minor road into a major road other vehicles have priority, as do those who are approaching from your right at a roundabout.
Pedestrians do have priority when they have taken possession of a Zebra Crossing or when they are on a pedestrian crossing (Pelican, Puffin, Toucan etc), but they do *not* have the right to step out into the road and force traffic to stop for them.
Re: Re: Next niggle:
Yes, it tells you if someone else has posted in a forum, but when the comments start stretching to two or three pages that really isn't much help.
If googling someone's name *was* all the "research" you'd done, you might have a point, but since it clearly wasn't, it seems that I'm the one who's hit a nerve.
It also seems that your claimed "experience" of the BDSM scene *could* do with some more research, because you appear to have as little clue about that as anything else.
Never mind, you feel free to get in the last word with another "funny" little dig at me and I'll feel free to ignore it.
Ah, I see, you think swearing and calling people names is funny. Right, noted.
BTW you seem to be fascinated by which Graham Marsden I am, well, sorry, but you're wrong again, because I'm not the Graham Marsden you mention.
FYI I'm the Graham Marsden who has been running a business called Affordable Leather Products, making leather bondage and BDSM equipment for almost 20 years.
I'm the Graham Marsden who has been on the BDSM/ Fetish scene for around 15 years and knows many people whom some bigots might consider "deformed" because they have tattoos, body piercings or, indeed, have breast augmentations, not to mention, of course, people who have actual physical disabilities such as people who are members of the aforementioned Outsiders organisation.
I'm also the Graham Marsden who has written many times on these and other forums about my support for the right of people to make their own decisions about how they behave and what they can see and what they can say (provided what they say is not aimed at hurting others).
I'm the Graham Marsden who put a lot of time and effort into lobbying MPs and Lords to vote against the last Government's Dangerous Pictures law banning "extreme pornography" because they didn't like it, so they couldn't understand why anyone else should like it either.
And, of course, I'm the Graham Marsden who doesn't like someone doing the forum equivalent of a bunch of mouthy chavs sitting on a wall passing rude and ignorant comments about women passing by such as "how could anyone fancy that?"
@Mycho and Semaj
The thing is, it's not just "pseudo photography" or jpegs etc, nor is it any longer drawings taken from actual photographs of the abuse of children (which were already, quite rightly, illegal).
With the passing of the Coroners and Justice Act 2009, even entirely fictitious images (ie drawings created without reference to a living subject) or Poser renderings have been deemed to be "child pornography" meaning that a whole load of Anime and Manga could be caught by this simply because, in someone's mind, a drawing looks "underage".
Aaron Em, do you *really* think that calling someone a "thicko" and swearing in your posts because someone disagrees with you actually adds anything to the validity of your points?
Loyal Commentor actually asked a good question ie "Why do people do these things to themselves?" and one valid response is that they may suffer from Body Dismorphic Disorder where their self-image doesn't match what they actually look like, no matter what medical advice they receive.
You, however, chose to respond in a way that says "I can't find this attractive, so how could anyone else do so?" as if your opinions are the only ones that matter and, to top that, described her *choice* as a "deformity" (by that argument you might as well describe tattoos or body piercings as "deformities" too...)
I pointed out that there are many people (some of whom I *have* met personally, ItsNotMe) who not only have "deformities" but who have as much right to be found attractive as anyone else, whether or not *you* personally can understand why anyone should find them appealing.
Unfortunately you appear not to like having your unthinking bigotry questioned, so you simply chose to respond with abuse and insults.
"I think they have some way to go to compete with micro swimwear specialist wickedweasel.com"
Pah! I've seen some pictures of young Japanese women wearing bikinis which quite literally have the same area of coverage as three postage stamps!
... how can the President of the EU Parliament be right when we've been told on El Reg that we're just being masochists for objecting to ACTA??
"the increasing prevalence of online smut had exacerbated violence against women"
Right, because they're responsible for all those Honour Killings and other such "cultural" behaviours which have made your country such a delight for women to live in...
"what about that kind of deformity appeals to people?"
Yes, because everyone should only be attracted to "perfect" people and all the fatties and uglies and anyone who doesn't fit into some mythical ideal should be doomed to a life of lonliness and self-pleasure because nobody else is going to find them attractive.
Alternatively you could lose your bigotry and consider that not everyone finds the same things attractive as you do. See <a href=http://www.outsiders.org.uk/home">The Outsiders </a> for something that may open your eyes (and mind) a little.
"Samsung sells products copying features that make the iPhone distinct"
And, of course, the iPhone contains *nothing* which is blatantly Prior Art based on technologies and ideas which have been knocking around for years yet which, due to the unconscionable failings of the USPO, have been granted to Apple as "original" patents.
We have already had the Associate Editor of the Sun, Trevor Kavanagh, moaning about the "Witch Hunt" and whinging that "Instead of being called in for questioning, 30 journalists have been needlessly dragged from their beds in dawn raids, arrested and held in police cells while their homes are ransacked,"
"Wives and children have been humiliated as up to 20 officers at a time rip up floorboards and sift through intimate possessions, love letters and entirely private documents."
Of course if the people involved had been suspected of being terrorists or paedophiles I have little doubt that his paper would be lauding the brave Police for "swooping" in "coordinated dawn raids" as concerned neighbours looked on (having been told, of course, by the noble Police that they're wrong'uns) whilst the suspects (who should be presumed innocent) are hauled away in handcuffs for questioning and their computers are seized to be searched for the incriminating material they no doubt contain...
Err, this a comment from the same person who, in a reply above said "Also, what is wrong with you, have you not got a mobile phone? Are you not able to connect via the mobile network in times when the fixed infrastructure is down?"
Please make up your mind, Obviously! or is these just "Typical English, engage the mouth before the brain" comment?
However when one of your staff decides that *his* opinions are the only ones that matter and that *nobody* else is allowed to post comments disagreeing with him (even when he gets fundamental details wrong such as thinking that Yvette Cloette is male!) it's not so much "our site - our rules" but "this is my ball and my back yard and if I don't like you, you're not allowed to play".
"Yes because I was obviously serious."
Err, so that's why you followed what *could* have been read as a satirical Daily Fail Reader style rant with "Seriously, what is it about politics that seems to attract the most duplicitous, morally repugnant puppy ****ers on the planet?"
On the contrary, it is entirely "theoretical usefulness" and it is the sort of justification for mass ANPR, facial recognition to be added to all CCTV systems, DNA databases and every other "It's for your own protection, citizen" invasion of privacy which ignores the fundamental principles of presumption of innocence.
"Hello DrXym, this is the Police. There was a crime committed at ($location) and we notice from our records that you were in the vicinity at the time. Can you prove that you weren't involved....?"
Not bad, but google also does weather control!
Visit Street View here: http://tinyurl.com/75r9bkt then go one arrow forward, bingo from rain to sunshine in one move!
(I would have made the link clickable, but I don't know how to on here...)
... at least the Ladies of Negotiable Affection are honest about how they'll screw you!
More targetted advertising...?
We noticed that you like Goatse, perhaps you'd be interested in these other images...!!!
That is not dead...
... which can eternal lie...!
"Why would you want to "break" the system"?
Because if this works at airports, some bright spark will, once again, say "Hey, let's link it to every CCTV camera in the country, that way we can track everyone, everywhere and consider them *all* to be criminal suspects!"
I've just downvoted you for a silly analogy.
Yes, some things need to remain state secrets, but when a government passes laws through Policy Based Evidence Making or selects a supplier for a contract based on a handshake done in a back room with an agreement for a lucrative directorship to follow or many of the other decisions that are made on behalf of the public but not for the *benefit* of the public, we, the votes and taxpayers want, need and *deserve* to know what is being done in our name.
"deleted voicemails on a missing girl's phone"
"But it turns out they hadn't".
No, they just listened to the voice mails (which they shouldn't have been doing) and then the automatic system decided "Oh, look those mails have been listened to and not saved, so let's delete them".
So the actions of the News of the Screws *were* responsible for the voicemails being deleted and frankly, given that it was a gutter rag with a habit of fabricating details in their stories, they got everything they deserved.
"Good policy grows from lively, uninhibited debate"
Which is a really great idea. Except people like Blair consider that "Good policy grows from everyone doing what *I* say" so the idea that the plebs find out that those who they elected to *represent* them in Parliament are being brow-beaten and having their arms twisted to support "Government Policy" is anathema to him.
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