Re: @codejunky @ Preston Munchensonton - "The argument will be that...
> The 'trash the business owner' approach is an argument to reduce the people employed. Not a good idea.
Balderdash. How many million pounds of bonuses does the owner need? How about they give some of that money back to the little people who are actually doing the work instead of just paying them thte minimum required by law? Who knows, that may even help improve staff morale and reduce turnover! (But, hell, there's enough unemployed people out there that if someone quits, there are plenty more desperate for a job...)
> I know a number of these people who found work too hard so quit then came boasting how easy they had it. I do hope that option has been removed.
Oh gods, someone else who has swallowed the "Scrounger Narrative" hook, line and sinker. Try looking up how much money is lost through that, then how much is lost through big corporations dodging tax. Again, take the log out of your eye first.
> Also self employed is not a swear word. Just so you know.
I know, given I started my own business on a self-employed basis over 20 years ago, however there is a difference between that and people who have been forced to sign contracts where they "work" for businesses on a self-employed basis, meaning that they can be sacked without notice, don't get sick pay or paid holidays or any of those other tedious and expensive annoyances...
> When you take something from someone without permission is it stealing or confiscating?
And I bet you believe Copyright Violation is theft too.
> there are people who would prefer to have a job/income than no jobs.
Great, but how about we actually pay people a *living wage* insted of a pittance? Or is that too left-wing for you?
> Your argument seems to be "how can I make more money without having to work for it"
Erm, excuse me? Isn't that what you're saying that the business owners should be able to do? Because that's sure as hell what they're doing! The little people do the work, the owners trouser the profits...!
> Look at what the financial markets do with the money.
I have, they run it around in a massive hamster wheel that generates lots of money for them, but precious little of it (if any) gets back to the people at the bottom of the pile.
> the simple problem of borrowing so much more is due to the clusterf**k left by the last lot.
Are you naiive or just ignorant? Yes, Labour made a mess, but Osborne has made the problem worse and dumped the costs on us, the tax payers, not on the banks and businesses who caused the issue!
Anyway, as fascinating as this is, I see little point in continuing this discussion because it's clear that your ideology is blinding you to what is *really* happening out there. Money is going *up* the tree, it is *NOT* coming back down. The rich are gettting richer, the poor are getting poorer and until *that* reality slaps you and them in the face and the government keeps colluding with them to maintain the status quo, it will only get worse.
Feel free to have the last word, I have a business to run selling sensibly priced products instead of trying to gouge every last penny of profit because I can see the flaw in that model even if you can't.