282 posts • joined 10 Dec 2012
Call me naive, but ...
Doesn't identifying the destination MAC address imply that at some point you are also recording the requested url and/or IP address?
That's also the only way I can make sense of Irvine's comment about a phone directory ... if a phone directory contained just a list of phone numbers, it would be pretty useless. However, a phone directory that contains a list of names, linked to the relevant phone number ...
It appears that this document is once again simply obfuscation to put people off the scent and disguise the actual intent.
"WA facility gets laser-eyes out of the fog"
What? The weather in Canberra is beautiful ... you're just jealous because it's pissing down in Sydney ...
Re: Source vs destination
And you are prepared to accept what Malcolm Turnbull is saying at face value?
For one thing, he is not the one who is driving this legislation - that appears to be coming from the AG. If, as you point out, the information that the government wants and the process for obtaining it is already in place, then is there an urgent need for fresh legislation? and why is there a need for secrecy about the actual proposals?
Given that this government has some spectacular form in trying to keep its proposals and actions hidden from the public, how confident are you that the actual data retained will be no broader than Minister Turnbull is suggesting?
Why the secrecy?
While stating that URLs and “destination IP addresses” are excluded from the data collection, the report in The Australian says providers will be required to collect information sufficient to “trace and identify the source of a communication and the device used".
Trace the source of the communication but not the destination? This just sounds to me like more obfuscation from a government that is desperate to keep its real proposals secret. I wonder if the final legislation will contain some provision that the actual definition of metadata will be by ministerial direction.
Am I overly cynical, or what?
New user interface ...
"Transact demonstrates the fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD factor) being spread by ignorant and greedy people that want the taxpayer to give them everything and won't pay for anything themselves."
Conveniently forgetting here that, while TransACT is now privately owned, its genesis relied heavily on the support of a Territory-owned corporation for its viability. People have such short memories ....
Re: Leads very rapidly to change...
You must work in local government too
Indeed yes, I do. And sometimes, 10 years can be a short timeframe.
But in this case, it isn't ten years - Dieter Reiter was elected mayor of Munich in March 2014.
Re: Lack of integrated email/contacts/calendar?
Possibly the significant comment is the one about it taking several weeks to set up the Mayor's smartphone to receive email.
That sort of embarrassment in front of the big boss tends to lead very rapidly to change, regardless of any other factors.
“The solution is designed to extend seamlessly out into the public cloud, allowing businesses and citizens accessing government services to be incorporated into the solution,”
Sounds a lot like some hyperbole written by a marketing executive. It's a big state, with a lot of people and what works in Sydney may not work that well in, say, Bogan Gate.
Re: Just wondering ...
And a Windows VM could ... ?
... resurrect the Office Assistant "it looks like you are about to crash. Would you like me to operate the airbags? [OK] [Cancel]"
A couple of thoughts here ...
This system would rely on pretty much universal adoption in order to work effectively (and somehow would have to be retrofitted to older vehicles), so the cost of this is going to be quite significant. And, if it slows the development and introduction of self-driving technology, the benefits may be questionable - whereas autonomous vehicles with self-driving features could be introduced gradually.
In addition, although multi-vehicle accidents are common, most accidents are either single-vehicle or involve pedestrians/cyclists (Australian Bureau of Stats figures here), in which circumstances the technology would likely not be very effective.
Still, if it works and can be effectively implemented, who am I to criticise?
Revealing answer no 1 ...
So, when your office calls and the picture of your boss appears, apparently 1.8 metres in front of you, will you:
a) slam on the brakes; or
b) attempt to run him down.
Answers on a postcard please ...
Re: Uber, Lyft, stop being such dumbasses.
Try Jakarta. The only city I know where a taxi driver needs to stop 3 times in a 10k trip to ask for directions. Anything harder than "airport to Jl MH Thamrin" is probably going to be a challenge.
How about the geographical location of the Government's core principles?
Oh, wait, no we need that ... as you were ...
Neil, I'm sure it was a great article, but I'm afraid I couldn't read past the sub-heading.
Oh, and while you're at it ----->
"Colvin said at least one high-profile case, the murder of Melbourne woman Jill Meagher, was solved because the perpetrator's carrier is one of a handful that does store metadata."
I'm afraid this comment just makes me angry. It's a blatant and misleading attempt to use the death of an unfortunate young woman to garner public sympathy for his hidden agenda.
The perpetrator was out on parole, after a series of sex offences, and had committed a violent crime while on parole. There was also cctv footage showing him in the area talking to the victim on the night of her disappearance. It was completely standard piece of police work that didn't actually need any metadata to solve. Certainly, retaining it for two years wasn't relevant, because the suspect was picked up inside a few days.
The worrying thing is, that they are really not idiots ... I believe they do in fact know what they are doing, but know that they couldn't sell their real plans to the electorate.
"There was no business case or any cost-benefit analysis, or independent studies of the policy undertaken, with no clear operating instructions provided to this completely new government business enterprise, within a legislative and regulatory framework still undefined, and without any consultation with the wider community."
Somewhat like sending 700 drunken convicts and 200 corrupt plods half way round the world to found a colony - no CBA (or even a coherent plan), no consultation with stakeholders, no legislative framework, and no studies that would have revealed the extremely dangerous fauna occupying the proposed site,
Still, it worked out well (in the end) - and better than some expeditions that were properly planned.
it's becoming increasingly clear that our politicians have no idea"
Richard, you could really have stopped writing there ... the rest of the article is somewhat superfluous.
Apart from the expense, inconvenience, security and privacy issues, etc, etc, ... I just wonder what the point of all this is.
I mean, if it's really about stopping terrorism, you'd hope that the security services would be a bit more on the ball than 2 years. Not to mention that any competent terrorists will find alternative means of communication to avoid the whole scheme.
You had me there, Simon
It's 9 am, I haven't had any caffeine, and my brain is still at the ambient Canberra temperature (currently 5 degrees).
Re: Simon is being prescient, sensible and is an exemplary Australian.
"To round up the two leading parties and herd them into the ocean with horses and bull-whips is geographically impractical, given Canberra's location"
We have a lake, you know.
"Before a single bit of ISP-sourced data about any of us reaches a single magneto-resistant atom we need legislation to determine who gets to see the data, under what circumstances and with what kind of oversight and disclosure."
The problem here is that the legislation won't be static. Once the data is there, agencies that feel the need to access the data will be able to ask for changes that will enable them to access it (no doubt with laudable aims). This kind of expansion is often controlled by a web of different acts and instruments and can often be quite hard to unravel who has access to what information and what real oversight or control exists.
Although I agree with Simon that there is no way ISPs should be picking up the tab for data retention, the proposed scheme is still a bad idea. And no amount of legislation or oversight is going to turn a bad idea into a good idea.
"Parkes, most famous as “The Dish” that received the first images of NASA's 1969 moon landings"
Note that the first TV pictures came from the NASA tracking station at Honeysuckle Creek, near Canberra rather than Parkes. As so often happens, the movie took many liberties with facts ... see here: http://members.pcug.org.au/~mdinn/TheDish/.
Re: Nothing works faster ...
You have my sympathy ... it must be damned hard to live with. ln my case, I am very fortunate that the chronic pain is my knee and ankle rather than my back: I can live with it and manage it with exercise.
Paracetamol, I have found, is completely useless for pain relief (including the special strength marketed for arthritis) - though, I sometimes use ordinary aspirin, which seems to have more effect. Also use a traditional Chinese liniment that seems to help (yes, I'm aware it may be a placebo, but it works for me).
Nothing works faster ...
... so take nothing.
Meanwhile, at No. 3 Highview Crescent
Steve Kerrigan: Dad, there's a bloke here selling a data retention scheme ...
Darryl Kerrigan: How much does he want for it?
Steve Kerrigan: $60,000,000
Darryl Kerrigan: Tell him he's dreamin'
Irvine said a too-broad retention regime would be ruinous: “If ASIO had to pay for mass surveillance, we'd be broke in a week”
Oh, dear .....
Well, that was obviously worth all the police and court resources expended on the case. Now we can all sleep safe in our beds, happy in the knowledge that this threat to our way of life has been removed.
Re: SF (San Jose) to LA (Pasadena) nonstop??
Doesn't California have laws against that sort of thing (in public at least)? Just asking, no reason ...
You beat me to it, Charles!
But, I think 5,000 km must be the scenic route ... Guangzhou to Beijing is only a bit more than 2,000 km and about 9 hours by train.
It is unfortunate that Byrne is using this one as a stick to beat the government - for one thing, the data retention regime was the one recommendation on which the Committee was (justifiably) ambivalent, even with the proposed safeguards, compensation for costs incurred by industry, and maximum period of 2 years, etc. As well, the concentration on DR is distracting from many of the other, useful, recommendations for modernising legislation.
"... only non-offensive names will be accepted"
So, no planet Belgium ...
Or maybe ...
Just possibly, this has more to do with avoiding Australian taxes. The privacy thing is just an added bonus.
Hamilton and Warner (assuming he means Warner's Bay?) as regional NSW ... obviously there is a different perspective from Bondi and NSW (that must stand for Newcastle, Sydney, and Wollongong) stops at the limits of the City Rail network ....
Call me old-fashioned ...
but, while Mariana Rudan's on, she gets my full attention ... ogling some other woman at the same time is terribly bad form, old chap.
. .... ..--..
I feel the sub-heading was sadly lacking in wit ... unless there's a joke in there that this ignorant antipodean colonial didn't understand.
I can't imagine this slogan getting anywhere ... maybe it's not the real campaign plan, it was just "accidentally" sent to some journalists to put people off the scent.
Or do I just have a nasty, suspicious mind, it coming just after the NSW budget?
Re: Just who is getting that money?
Ooh ... details please. At that rate, my colleague and I should be getting $150k per month each.
Re: WA behind the eastern states again ?
"Australia, a country of
6 8 quasi countries."
Maybe you forgot the NT, and of course our own brave little socialist enclave, holding out against the reactionary hordes?
"Australia's Department of Immigration and Border Protection needs to tighten up its publishing processes to prevent repeats of a January incident ..."
... and they needed a consultant's report to work that out?
Well, if they need an expensive consultant to advise them on procedures, I'm available!
An Australian response
"I would like to offer the Pyke as a unit of boffinry"
I must disagree ... the standard unit of boffinry is obviously the Kruszelnicki.
Quite apart from the Ig Nobel prize and having an asteroid named after him, Dr Karl's line in shirts clearly qualifies him for this honour.
I hope this means there'll be a market for it. This could provide a handy income stream for my retirement.
"Brightwell said iVote should never become the main method of voting in the state because this would increase the chance of detecting online ballot stuffing since scammers would need to pump a huge amount of forged votes to influence elections"
I must be misreading that ... it sounds like he wants the online ballot stuffing to be undetectable. But then again, it is New South Wales ...
Re: Odd world.
Back in the good old days this kind of excuse was called "bollocks"
Which neatly paraphrases the judge's remarks in a single word, don't you think?
Re: Dear Reg editors:
What's wrong with SCOTUS? ... well, if I don't have my reading glasses on, I tend to read it as "scrotums" ...
What do I think of it?
Well, it's not illegal and, like a BMW with personalised numberplates, it enables easy identification and avoidance of a tosser with too much money ...
Re: Better than this human, for certain
If there's a version that helps me to remember someone's name, that'd be even more useful
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