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Re: idiots... what better time to develop a self hosted open source solution...
"You seriously expect them to be able to operate an alternative office suite?"
Of course not. But I do expect them to be able to hire someone who can - for a lot less money than M$$$$.
Re: Have we learned nothing....
"It's all right. Friends don't spy on friends".
Which would be very reassuring, except that NATIONS DON'T HAVE FRIENDS. They have interests. (Ideally, those would be interests different from those of the ruling clique and their rich cronies... but let's try to live in the real world).
Re: To sum up
"What I do not see yet is which cloud this will sit in. I don't think government standards will allow a foreign hosted cloud..."
You mean... the cloud has to be somewhere physical??? But we thought... "IT'S THE CLOUD - IT'S EVERYWHERE AND NOWHERE".
Re: Not pleasant reading for Redmond
See, to take one example out of many,
Re: @mmeier Not pleasant reading for Redmond
"I feel like Microsoft is making my life harder, not easier, lately."
A lot of people are getting that feeling recently. It's almost like a classic Greek tragedy: first Microsoft rocketed up into the skies, then it levelled off, and now it seems to be plunging back down to earth.
"Those whom the gods wish to destroy, first they send mad".
Re: Not pleasant reading for Redmond
"What distribution is better at running my developer tools than Windows?"
Given that you have presumably chosen to rely solely on developer tools that run on Windows... none.
On the other hand, if you were to ask (with an open mind) "what distribution provides the best array of developer tools, at the best prices?" you might well come up with a different answer.
Many years ago, I remember reading about how Indian elephant owners use tame elephants to help capture wild ones. It seems a shame that they would thus betray their fellow-creatures, but that's how they have been trained and conditioned and it's not their fault. Similarly, very large numbers of people worldwide have been sucked into the global Windows ecosystem, and now feel (in some cases rightly) that their interests coincide with those of Microsoft. Even if that is true, I feel that they should perhaps examine their consciences.
Re: Not pleasant reading for Redmond
"Their [whole] thrust is to get the world onto that pile of dog poo (IMHO) called Windows 8.1".
It shall not work. First choice (if you need Windows): Windows 7. First choice (otherwise): Linux. The sooner you start extricating yourself, the sooner you will be using free* software and the less it will cost you in the long run.
* As in "speech" AND as in "beer".
"How can it *possibly* have spent $157 million on software development? It makes a frigging *browser* for goodness' sake!"
Have you any idea how complex a modern consumer market Web browser is? How many lines of standard specifications it has to comply with? How many bugs and security weaknesses are found every year by hundreds of millions of users - plus the whole software security industry?
Why not try running one up yourself in your free time?
Re: Aww, US budget cuts could be simple ;-)
"Here's the idea. Why not, instead of electing politicians, select them at random? A government selected in the same way a jury is".
Good thinking, Symon! Clearly the pub facilitates intelligent creativity. Instead of actively selecting for the worst elements of humanity, we would get a random sample - it would have to be an improvement.
Besides, it's a Philip K Dick idea (see his "World of Chance" for an interesting and entertaining scenario).
Re: computing the value of computing
"...we need to be able make our pitch anytime, anywhere, just like David Icke..."
No. Just no. We do not "need" to do anything just like David Icke.
A modest proposal
If the US government wishes to save some money so that it can continue investing in research (and health and education and maintaining its roads, bridges, pipes, and other vital infrastructure) perhaps it might consider killing fewer people abroad?
Killing foreigners (at least, in the American way) is a very expensive activity, and what's more it's probably counter-productive. There are so many foreigners that it's hardly realistic to kill all of them; and if you only kill some of them, their friends and relatives tend to get all hostile and riled up about it.
As far as I can ascertain, the formal armed forces budget of the USA is currently about two-thirds of a trillion dollars per year. Once you add in incidentals such as the hundreds of "security agencies" and the huge costs of caring for tens of thousands of maimed and shocked veterans, the total climbs rapidly towards a round trillion.
Now a trillion dollars certainly isn't what it was. ("A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon you're talking real money..." - especially if you're a bankster). But it is a start. With $3,000 for every man, woman and child in the nation you could accomplish a fair amount. Even half of that would solve a lot of problems. And halving the USA's military spending would just mean that it falls from about half of the entire world's to maybe one-third - not quite equivalent to full-out pacifism. Besides, the Chinese are already paying for most of it, and they probably won't continue to be quite so generous indefinitely.
I have installed Chrome on at least five PCs, just because I heard it well spoken of and wanted to have a second string to my bow in case of difficulties. (IE doesn't count as a string - I use it only when it's the only way to get some Microsoft-related program to work properly, and then with due consideration of the security hazards).
In fact I do occasionally use Chrome; there is the odd site that doesn't print out properly with Firefox, etc. Oh, and it's slightly quicker to invoke Google Translate with Chrome. But if anyone were to measure the amount of time I spend in Firefox compared to Chrome, it would be no contest. I'm still waiting to find anything that Firefox doesn't do at least adequ8ately.
Re: SQL 2014
SQL is a standard.
SQL Server is a product.
It's normal professional courtesy to refer to products by their correct names. It's also sensible and considerate to avoid ambiguity, especially when all it takes is to add a single word ("Server").
"Just not a hero of Native Americans".
Or decent human beings. Or halfway decent human beings. Or human beings with any flickering of an idea that something like decent behaviour exists. Or rats, hyenas, jackals... ants... amoebae...
Re: Slaps forehead with palm.....
"I guess that's what usually happens when you give powerful computers to everyone......."
Not necessarily. It also depends on what people CHOOSE to do with computers. I own no portable gadgets - my smallest piece of kit is a ThinkPad running OpenSuSE - and I do not participate in Facebook, Twitter, etc. Anyone who wants to telephone me has a choice of two landline numbers. When I'm out, I'm out.
However I find my computers invaluable for writing, coding, browsing the Web, and generally doing things that I consider worthwhile. Oh, and I run World Community Grid, Einstein@Home, and ClimatePrediction.net under BOINC in background, which is my contribution to charity. (Why pay money to an organization so it can hire half a dozen suits for £100,000-a-year plus each, when you can simply help it do its number-crunching?)
"Windows has long tried to maintain backwards compatibility and that's testament to how accessible a system it is..."
I find that hilariously funny, because I clearly remember how the bright young kids at Microsoft (remember "Microserfs"?) used to mock their fathers' generation - many of whom worked at IBM - about precisely that. Because IBM was shackled to generations of legacy systems, they chortled, it was hopelessly inflexible and found itself forced to behave in outrageously customer-unfriendly ways.
What goes around STILL comes around, Microsofties! Even in the Age of Aquarius...
As T recent FA on Munchen's transition to Linux showed, the question is: are you prepared to spend a lot of time and money escaping from the clutches of Microsoft now, or would you prefer to linger a few years until it costs a lot more time and money?
Sounds like the "modern" domestic power supply industry
'Basically a case of "Here, look at the new kids on the block doing new things in new ways" when it really is "same old, same old with mega-financed spin factors"?'
Sounds very much like the way we all get to buy exactly the same electricity and gas from any of dozens of companies, each run by a separate bunch of pin-stripe-suited get-rich-quick merchants, while the same small professional crew does the actual work regardless.
Ah, the glorious efficiency of the private sector!
@ CAPS LOCK
"In fact can we please stop hearing about what Gartner is paid to say altogether".
Well, I wouldn't go quite that far. All facts are potentially useful, so why shouldn't we be made aware of what Gartner is paid to say? (And perhaps given some ideas about who is doing the paying, and why).
When I was in UK software marketing at DEC, 20 years or so ago, we had a big day when Gartner came to visit. Everyone gave a presentation, and demos were running almost continuously.
Some time later, copies of a bulky doorstop-like document began circulating in our office. Taking a look at mine - which was prominently blazoned with the names "GARTNER", "DIGITAL" and "COHESION" (the name DEC gave to its software development toolset) - I rushed into my boss's boss's office to show him our big publicity coup.
Looking up briefly from the inevitable spreadsheet - for he was a man who preferred facts and figures to arm-waving - he remarked quietly but crushingly, "Drinking our own bath water again, I see", before returning to his work.
Re: economics in two pages never really works
Actually economics never really works - but when it is summed up in two pages the fact becomes glaringly obvious.
Given the chance to write a number of opaque 700-page books (or an equivalent number of still more impenetrable papers) most economists can effectively disguise the fact that their ideas, while undeniably interesting, cannot predict because they are incomplete. They are like the blind men and the elephant, except that we have to imagine just one or two blind men who have got hold of the ear, trunk, or tail. Thus they have no idea how big and complex the animal really is, nor can they have any idea what it is liable to do in response to a given stimulus.
Et tu, Trevor
"You're cute when you believe the system works".
But it works extremely well, Trevor. Exactly as it was designed to.
Oh - you mean "for us". You're cute when you believe the system was ever meant to work for us.
It's the logic of the market, innit
First of all, Alistair, just write down your passwords in a little notebook you can carry all the time. If anyone mugs you they'll grab your wallet, not some dull notebook they wouldn't know how to use.
As for manuals, that's a fascinating topic. Back when, software vendors did feel they had to write manuals and proper help. Then the light dawned: we don't have to be doing this.
1. If the software is at all popular, someone else will write a book about it and make a few bob for themselves.
2. Then, if anything in the book is wrong or incomplete, it's not your fault.
3. And you save all the time and effort that used to go into writing the manual and help. Which means you get to ship a year earlier.
Everyone's a winner! (Well, except the punters, but honestly if you start worrying about them...)
That is exactly what you expect of any "learning" system. And it's one of the classic red lights, because while there is unlikely to be any serious threat to humanity from software that recognises cats, we should be very careful about asking it to run the police or carry out major engineering works. The relevant paradox, if you want to call it that, would be "AI is useful only if it's smarter than we are; but in that case, we can't trust it".
By the way, neurologists found long ago that the human brain, too, has circuits that could be described as "cat detectors". There are individual neurons in the visual cortex that trigger in response to stripes and other cat-like qualities. After all, it's hardly surprising that we should have circuits built in at the very lowest level to warn us of the approach of anything that might eat us. So rather than ontogeny recapitulating philogeny, this might be a case in which rather haphazard design recapitulates philogeny.
But of course...!
When I was a technician with DEC Field Service (or Field Circus as some of the more bitter customers called it) we used to say: "It's called 'preventive maintenance' because it prevents [whatever it is] from working'".
Re: Was it a Morgan Stanley insider who called one of the stocks they were pushing "S**t"
John Smith 19, I think your post inadvertently included some redundant text.
"Be very careful of portfolio advice from a bankster".
"Young people only have (relatively) mild hangovers, but the older we get the worse the hangovers are".
Very probably true - provided the same amount of the same drink is taken. In my case, however, the amounts I consumed when young were very considerably greater than I would ever tackle nowadays. So my hangovers as a young man were much worse.
Someone who, given those circumstances, is unable to drink less as the years go by is in a truly wretched situation.
"Slow news day? Someone involved selling anti virus software heard from someone down the pub that someone got a virus".
But Mr ChriZ, haven't you heard? That's not idle gossip-mongering; that's ***intelligence gathering***.
This is clearly a systematic attack of "cyberterrorism" as people who know little about security, computing, networks or the novels of William Gibson tend to call it.
As such, I believe the established US government doctrine is that nations that are harmed by these attacks have the right to bomb and/or invade the nation(s) responsible for them. Have I got that right?
What Dominic failed to do was "find the fine manual". DEC produced excellent manuals for all its software products, and the manuals were usually bundled into the price. To put it more clearly, they were rarely sold separately; DEC took the view that if you bought some software you would need the manuals, so it produced them with just as much care as the software itself. I used to know some DEC technical writers, and some of them got to know more about their specialist software products than the engineers who maintained them. The VMS manual set was so extensive it came to be known as "the orange wall".
The manuals for your BASIC were probably locked away somewhere safe "so the kids won't mess them up".
OTOH, Bezos' wife definitely has a BIG interest in maintaining and (if possible) improving her husband's reputation. So the fate of the book would not be one of her concerns. Indeed, if she could prevent anyone from buying it, she would no doubt be content.
I suppose it would be unconscionable to rule out reviews by close family members - but I wouldn't expect Mrs Bezos' review to be objective. (Anyone who has been married, or in a similar relationship, is keenly aware that objectivity about your nearest and dearest is not one of the greatest assets you can contribute).
"WIth a lot of these CEO types, I've noticed a complete disconnect between their own actions and those of other people..."
Nicely said, moiety. It strikes me forcefully that a small edit turns your remark into a valuable observation about geopolitics:
"WIth a lot of these national governments, I've noticed a complete disconnect between their own actions and those of other national governments..."
Have you invented the Broadly Generalisable Metaobservation? Think how much time it could save scientists, philosophers, and random intellectuals!
"Wow, someone has a crush on Edward..."
In other times, I suppose you might be yelling "Crucify! Crucify!" Or ranting "Socrates is an evil-doer, and a curious person, who searches into things under the earth and in heaven, and he makes the worse appear the better cause; and he teaches the aforesaid doctrines to others".
I really wish I could somehow get hold of a block of 10,000 downvotes. I'll never find a better use for it.
Maybe "you" was the important word then
"You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it".
Wasn't it a buddy of Schmidt's who uttered those words back in 1999? Well, if it was zero then, it surely must be about -75% now, the way things are going.
"highest temps in 44,000 years..."
Golly gee - *that long??* But that's a whole 0.001% of the Earth's age.
The art of invective lives, even in Washington!
'...called senior White House advisor Valerie Jarrett a "vacuous cipher"'.
"Vacuous cipher"... that's good. I must remember that and use it often. He's keeping alive the tradition of Mark Twain, whose excellent sayings include (for instance):
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself".
Re: The promise of automation
"We were told in the 60s and 70s that 'automation' would mean we would all work 3 or 4 day weeks. Instead those of us with jobs work 7 days and loads of people are out of work. It must be possible to share the benefits out a bit better than this!"
Not from the point of view of the richest 1%, Robert. The way they see it, everything is for the best in this best of all possible worlds. (Did you realize that the best - indeed, the only really good way - of getting stinking rich is by chiselling money from the poor? You see, there are so many of them, they have so little energy or time to think, and that makes them act in dumb ways).
Those utopian visions of the 50s, 60s and 70s were either innocently purveyed by dreamers - poets, SF writers, and the like - or deliberately put about by those with advantage to gain. Long ago, one of the best bosses I have ever worked for asked me one day, "Tom, how are prices set?" I replied, "Well, take the cost of raw materials plus the costs of manufacture and sales, plus some overhead and a fair markup..." He cut me off with a gesture. "No, that's entirely wrong. Prices are set based on how much the market will bear". I never forgot that, although I wish I had learned it 20 years sooner.
Similarly, pay is set based on what the market will bear. If people can be found to do a job for a given compensation level, that is where the level will be set. There's talk of market forces, but I stopped believing in those about the same time I stopped believing in gods and demons. The very rich and powerful people who ultimately own most of the world are naturally keen to get steadily richer and more powerful - which logically entails "never giving a sucker an even break" on a planetary scale (where everyone reading this thread is certainly one of the suckers). We are suckers not only when we buy, but when we sell our time - the only substantial wealth most of us will ever have.
"The difference today is that we live in an 'always on' society where lines between work and leisure have become blurred by communications technology."
But only in one direction - towards leisure being infiltrated by work. Mr Dowd to the contrary notwithstanding, very few bosses will be happy to find a bunch of "their" peons standing around the water cooler having a chit-chat - even if their phones are on. It's perfectly grand for employees to deal with "three or four" emails on their commute (which, as HMRC never tires of assuring us, is part of our copious free time), during dinner, or even in the middle of the night. But just let the boss find you playing games in the middle of the afternoon in the office... Or even doing personal shopping on the Web.
Re: Lol @ the hate.
What is this nonsense I see everywhere nowadays about "haters"? I might think something is poorly designed, unpleasant to use, inconvenient, even plain dumb. Or I might dislike something (such as crayfish, let's say). How does ANY of that make me a "hater"?
Looks like a rather simple-minded way of poisoning the well wholesale. "Anyone who disagrees with me is a HATER" (and that's obviously a bad thing to be).
All together now...
"IMPROPER LINE EXTENSION!"
And yes, that was meant to be shouting. What was the point of the MacBook Air? Laptops were big and heavy and awkward to lug about, so let's make one that's small and light.
What's the point of the iPad Air? Fondleslabs, er, tablets are small and light and child's play to carry around, so let's, er,...
Look at it this way. On the table in front of me is a glass of Malbec. I can either lift it and drink, or I can leave it where it is. Ignore the fact that leaving it would be sinful waste.
I am certainly going to take one course or the other (although we should probably impose a time limit). Now consider the universe as a 4-dimensional continuum with three spatial dimensions and one of time. (Ignore the fact that there may be far more dimensions - this is philosophy not physics). Imagine the entire continuum from outside time, rather like a very big Caithness Glass paperweight. Peering into it, we can see whether I drink the wine or not. (There are severe difficulties with the tenses of verbs when doing this kind of thought experiment, as we are imagining that we step outside time to adopt a godlike perspective, but then we are compelled to go on using tenses because without them we have no language).
So both propositions are true:
1. Of the two alternative actions, I will do one and not the other (so that tomorrow all observers will agree which it was).
2. I don't know, in advance, which I shall do.
There is nothing contradictory about both those propositions being true at once. Perhaps more accurately, one could say the whole false dichotomy is an artifact of languages that were never designed to analyze the nature of reality so closely. Simplistic as it is, I think this explanation is compatible with TFA's argument.
Re: Windows has been essentially based on a VMS core
"No, WindowsNT is not based on VMS, that's utter nonsense. NT inherited a few design properties which are similar to VMS but that's about it."
It's clear you have never studied Windows NT (and subsequent) internals. Even the names of most of the routines and locations are the same.
Re: Ashamed to say
"Christ, these people who bitch about Win8 are computer illiterates."
Sorry about the downvote if that was meant to be ironic. If so, put it down to blasphemy instead.
Great business idea!
There's a fortune in store - an absolute fortune, my boy! - for the first person to create the 21st Century Teasmade, which also produces a bowl of yummy hot porridge. With cream, naturally.
Mind you, it would be a bad start to the day if you overturn it in bed.
Oh the Irony
Ever since the release of Windows NT nearly 20 years ago, Windows has been essentially based on a VMS core, which is known to be very effective and reliable. (It's ironic, come to think of it, that Mac OS too is layered on an older, utterly unfashionable, brilliantly engineered OS). Most of Windows' problems derive from the condition that Gates laid on Cutler and his team right at the outset: they must keep the existing Windows look and feel as nearly unchanged as possible. Over the years we have seen lots of experiments and proposed improvements, many of which overburdened the core operating system with slow, inefficient, and sometimes downright unworkable user interface extras. Vista was a classic case in point. It's looking as if Windows 8 is another.
I keep seeing comments from serious professionals lamenting that Windows gets between them and the operating system, rather than helping them as it is meant to.
"It's so obvious it ASTOUNDS me how people still think public cloud is cheaper".
That's just the official reason. In practice, I think you'll find the real reason is usually that it's easier. (While it works, that is).
"Lucifer's Hammer" in real life...
What the title says
Re: Who cares
"All software sucks, all hardware sucks."
Yes, but no. That's a counsel of despair, and a position ideally calculated to excuse the worst products on the market. Oh sod it, I'm feeding a troll YET AGAIN...
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