153 posts • joined 13 Nov 2012
Re: Why quad core?
Why quad core?
Maybe there are plans for it beyond a smartphone?
Hopefully the phones will fail big time and then all the "should have gone Android" commentards will STFU.
Trouble is, this isn't the kind of Android they were referring to, so even if these Nokia Forked Android phones fall it still doesn't answer the question of what would have happened had Nokia launched "true" Google Android devices.
How can they make that assumption?
Read The Verge hands-on review of the Nokia X - no need for assumptions, they're officially shite.
Using the X can be quite frustrating, however, as the entire interface is prone to slow response and a lot of lag. Closing or switching between apps on the X takes far longer than other, even entry-level, smartphones, and browsing the web will quickly test your patience. The third-party apps we saw on the X, such as Facebook, looked as they do on other Android smartphones, but they too suffered from poor performance. Nokia’s choice to combine the functions of home and back into the single back button is confusing, and it’s difficult to predict exactly where in the interface the button will take you when you press it.
Utterly desperate move
(True) Android is the platform Nokia should have launched 2-3 years ago, not Windows Phone, but they got that badly wrong.
Now they're launching this bastardised platform rather than the real deal: part Android, part Microsoft software, yet incompatible with Android and requiring developers to port their apps, do Nokia never learn?
The company has become a total joke under Elops stewardship, lurching from one bad "burning platform" decision to another - the guy couldn't pick a winner even if there was only one platform option.
And when Microsoft completes the acquisition of Nokia, I would be surprised if this Nokia platform lasts longer than the Kin.
Yes "v1.0" as in no longer beta, not actually v126.96.36.199.
BBC, sort yourself out
I only ever install Flash in order to access content on the BBC website (and block everywhere else) - if only the BBC would sort their shit out and offer me media content my browser (Firefox on Windows) natively supports I wouldn't need to install this Adobe crap at all!
The BBC offer h264 to iDevices but everyone else has to put up with Flash. It's so arse about face - they should be offering h264 by default, with Flash being the fallback only if all else fails...
Re: "collaborate on a shared open network API"
What? Anyone know why a network API is required for wireless charging?
PMA is big on getting their chargers into retail outlets (ie. coffee shops, airport lounges) where their "network API" can be used to manage (and no doubt "monetise") these outlets.
Sadly, with so few consumer devices that are compatible with PMA chargers, you wonder why they bother. Chicken/egg, horse/cart, etc. What's the point in having all the infrastructure in place in retail outlets when their is no consumer demand, and their never will be any consumer demand because the consumer market is catered to by Qi, an incompatible wireless charging standard?
So two wireless power orgs with close to zero market share combine
And this is meant to be a concern to Qi, the clear market share leader in this technology? What was that quote about two Turkeys not making an Eagle, as it seems appropriate for A4WP and PMA too.
Combining their incompatible wireless tech, both having failed to achieve noteworthy market share, doesn't sound like a winning strategy but instead sounds like a last ditch effort to remain relevant before finally throwing in the towel.
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Re: Dead Platform
Selling phones at a very low margin in great numbers means you are an elcheapo company
Negative margin, in fact - each Lumia sale generated an operating loss of €50 (€400mn loss, 8mn device sales). Nokia would have been in better shape by selling not a single WP device in the last quarter - chasing higher volume is commercial suicide when each sake is losing money. Reducing volume and raising prices is the only sane solution unless you have money to burn (Nokia doesn't, Microsoft does).
Or swap WP out for Android, and call time on the failed WP experiment - I guess Nokia have at least acknowledged the latter by dumping the D&S business.
Re: And if, in the event...
Perhaps this deal allows Samsung to develop Tizen
More likely this deal is the death knell for Tizen, which could/should be taken out back and put out of its misery. It has served it's purpose, which was to put the frightners on Google, and with Samsung now having gained a 10-year licence to future Google technology it is needed no more.
Re: Tizen is a total basket case
Given how dominant Google are should be just let them have monopolies in everything?
As outlined in the article, there are other options to Google - Firefox OS, Sailfish OS (which is showing a lot of promise), and maybe eventually one day Ubuntu Phone. I'd be much more supportive of those platforms as alternatives to Google than anything designed and controlled by Samsung, Intel and a cartel of cellular operators.
In fact, Android actually holds more appeal than Tizen, given the provenance of the latter.
Tizen is a total basket case
Designed by committee, with an architecture that changes from one week to the next. One week it's Enlightenment, another it's Qt, this week? Who knows. Who even cares?
It's an OS that is driven by the vested interests of Intel and Samsung, not to mention mobile operators, and consequently it's a total mess from both a technical and ethical POV. It's supposed to be open, but all you get is massive code drops and fark all public discussion on technical issues or future direction - things just happen, deal with it, is the Tizen approach to "open" developer relations.
I doubt anyone will be disappointed to hear it's been delayed yet again. Is there anyone that actually wants Tizen to succeed? Apart from Samsung, of course, although I'm not entirely sure about Intel's motives...
Glad I bought my Jolla phone instead of waiting for Canonical
Sailfish OS may be beta and far from perfect, but it shows a lot of promise, is a full Linux distro (including ssh, rsync and even git clients as standard!) and more importantly it's available today.
So, no ARM in Microsoft data centres
Coming from the software giant that has utterly failed at producing a single worthwhile software product that runs on ARM, it's hardly surprising as Windows Server RT would be even more of a turd than regular RT.
This news is really just an acceptance from Microsoft that ARM in data centres will be running Linux and Microsoft is unlikely to get a look in so why even bother. And nobody will shed a tear.
Bollox, I hate Belkin
And I have vowed never to buy any of their tat. But this I like, and I might have to make an exception (once the price comes down).
$299 really is steep, maybe too steep. I used to own a pair of WRT54GS and they were cheap as chips even when brand new (ended up running Tomato on them in the end). Now that Belkin/Linksys officially approve of third party firmware, is the high price some sort of open source premium (aka gouging)?
Would be nice if they included an ADSL2+ modem in this as well. And frankly, for the price they're charging, it should have it already.
Qt 5 framework on a Smart TV
Now a Smart TV UI built with Qt 5? I'd like to see that.
But WebOS? No thanks, and that's speaking as someone who owned a firesale Touchpad.
Re: 10% market share
They're stopping making phones full stop.
And given the decline in feature phone sales as everyone migrates to cheap Android, that too is probably for the best. I imagine the downvotes are all from the Windows Phone fanbois - I reckon I've peaked at 3 unless they've got multiple accounts!
10% market share
Sounds good until you realise Nokia lose money on practically every sale (negative margin 3%, ASP in free-fall according to last results) but that 15% share that Apple have? It earns them hundreds of pounds from every device sale. Rather than continue to lose more money on increasing device sales Nokia would be financially better off with 0% market share (as long as they stopped making Windows Phone products, oh hang on, that's what they're doing isn't it?)
Wasn't that ex-Intel now Qualcomm mouthpiece Chandrasekhar dismissing 64-bit ARM as a gimmick just a few months ago when Apple launched the A7? No surprise to discover he was swiftly sidelined where nobody need pay him any further attention.
As for Qualcomm in China, interesting move but their market dominance is likely to prove a more formidable challenge to future growth in that region with the Chinese government already investigating the company under anti-monopoly laws. Frankly I'd rather see less Qualcomm and more choice in the West too.
Wot, no Tizen?
I wonder if their camera people went with the phone people or not.
Sadly yes the camera people did go with the phone people to Microsoft.
Worrying attitude towards safety
I am really not trying to mess up his business model. I am trying to do this to actually keep people safer
Isn't Musk building rockets to send people into space? With such a cavalier attitude towards safety I do hope there's someone like Strickland overseeing the space industry that is able to remind Musk where his responsibilities lie.
Intel failed at making decent GPUs
So of course they're going to say GPU compute is just a phase.
When all you are able to design is a CPU...
That's not to say that whatever Intel create doesn't have a place, but rubbishing the alternatives because you tried and failed doesn't reflect well on Intel.
Re: Yandex? Chinese investors?
They've been very clear from the outset that for them, China is a major market - more so than North America and given the success of Xiaomi it makes an awful lot of sense. They signed up a major Chinese retailer early on so this really shouldn't come as a surprise. You also won't have to use Yandex, other app stores will be supported.
As for the split personality, that's exactly what MeeGo/Maemo set out to achieve (and with a fair degree of success - it proved it could be done).
Re: Interesting interview with Jolla Sailfish OS UI designer
Very obvious WP influence in the designs on that page. From the App store to the fonts.
The app store is from Yandex not Jolla, a third party Android app that has nothing to do with Sailfish UI design, nor should it given its purpose (installing Android apps, which also are unlikely to follow the Sailfish UI design guide too closely).
As for the fonts, they're very similar to what MeeGo uses/used. But then you can say that about pretty much any relatively modern sans serif font. I would accept that Sailfish appears to be rather more "text heavy" in much the same way WP is.
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mod edit - please at least try not to insult his appearance
OK fair does, apologies to all Welsh baldies, but the teeth-sucking does really grate.
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Rory Cellan-Jones makes me cringe with his fawning and general lack of insight which makes BBC tech coverage typically no better than that of T3 or The Gadget Show (both utter jokes). Hardly a surprise they should focus so heavily and unquestioningly on the Twitter IPO rather than the more important underlying issues.
mod edit - please at least try not to insult his appearance
The last ever 'proper' Nok?
Surely that was the N9, or maybe the 808.
Lumias have never had that feeling of being truly "Nokia" - maybe it was the fact they were made by Compal on behalf of Nokia, or ran a non-Nokia OS, but so little about them was Nokia apart from the branding and industrial design.
Re: All new Nokia tablet....=]
but for others RT puts Office in a cheap, 15 hour laptop.
It's not the full Office though, is it? It's the crippled version that doesn't support Macros, which makes it pretty useless in a corporate environment (or for those expecting to open "complex" documents). And if all you want is to knock out the occasional word processed document or spreadsheet, there are free "Office" products capable of that on just about every other platform.
Plus you need to factor in the price of the keyboard for it to be a "laptop" and it's not really a cheap laptop after all.
If Office on RT did all that the full-fat Office version did, I'd agree that RT would be a lot more compelling, but since it doesn't, it's not.
FFS, more Qualcomm?
Microsoft would do better by adding MediaTek support than yet more powerful and expensive Qualcomm SoCs, considering that Windows Phone is only really selling at the low end.
There are no problems with the high end Nokia Lumia hardware, it's lovely, the problem is that few in their right mind want a high end Windows Phone, but there do seem to be plenty of takers willing to shell out next to nothing on a budget model, which sees Nokia lose money on every sale thanks to the expensive insides.
Adding support for ever more expensive Qualcomm kit is akin to fiddling about while watching Rome burn.
No doubt MediaTek support will come in real soon after Nokia hand over the losses directly to Microsoft. It's a shame Microsoft never got it's act together sooner, supporting more reasonably priced SoCs, to help it's partners actually make money from Windows Phone - or maybe that was all part of the master plan...
Maybe Leo was right
Selling off the HP PC hardware business probably was the right call. It's a business in terminal decline, and selling it two years ago would have netted a peak valuation. Unless HP can find an alternative product for the PC business to sell, where will it be in 5 years time? Another loss making division they don't need, and can't sell (as nobody will buy it, unless it's almost given away), that will have to be closed down at significant cost?
He was still wrong about Autonomy though... that deal will never come right in a million years!
Re: 150 pop a month
That is going to be wildly popular.....
There is also the free Qt Project version, sans support.
If you want your hand held, hand over the $150/month. If not, download away and find your own solution if/when problems crop up. This has always been the Qt approach, two versions, one free, one not, nothing new here.
You could also compare this with the Xamarin Enterprise license which costs $1800/year, so it's in the right ball park if you're that category of developer.
I take it stealth wasn't one of the design parameters then...
You'll be able to hear it's position long before you see it lolloping across the battlefield.
Ballmer always lacked any hint of "class"
Watching him go full retard at the end, arms pumping, screaming "Yeah!" to himself, just goes to show that no matter how rich you are, you can't buy class.
Hope I never have to listen to that voice ever again - worse than fingernails down a blackboard. He's certainly no loss to the industry which will be better off - irrespective of what happens to Microsoft - with his forced retirement.
Re: This article mocks higher megapixels
The pureview at 42mp is made to look a chump by about Xperia z1 with half the pixels, adj it's fair to say mp are meaningless marketing drivel
Can you zoom in (lossless) and reframe on your Z1? No, thought not.
Some of the tricks you can achieve with PureView are unachievable with any other sensor, including the Z1, because of the techniques employed by Nokia making the most of the 41mpx.
This article mocks higher megapixels
But the fact is that the Nokia PureView 41 megapixel sensor IS revolutionary because all those extra pixels and the large sensor are used in the right way that rely does benefit the end user. Extra megapixels just for the sake of it however is a complete waste. This point shouldn't be overlooked.
Reading this story on my Nexus 7 2013 and for the first (and hopefully last) time I have iPad envy!
Any chance of Rogue Trooper being similarly re-released?
Crazy not releasing this kind of material for Android - hopefully it's just a matter of time.
Re: Facts fail...
Microsoft have said that they are looking at unified (i.e. Micorsoft) branding at some point for smartphones, but they are buying the rights to use the Nokia name on mobile phones for 10 years. No need to stop calling them Nokia Lumia's until they *want* to.
Microsoft have a 10 year licence to use the Nokia brand on FEATURE phones, but NOT smart phones. Once the deal completes, the Lumia devices will have to be rebranded since Microsoft don't have the right to continue using the Nokia brand in relation to anything but feature phones. Are we clear on this now? Good.
That's a lot of 520's Nokia are selling (and losing money on)
Microsoft have already started airbrushing Nokia out of their marketing.
Probably not an advisable move considering buyers in countries such as India tend to buy the brand, not the operating system. Nokia is still a well respected brand in India - Microsoft and Windows, not so much. Watch sub-continent sales plummet once the Microsoft Lumia hits the market...
Alien Dalvik from Myriad
is providing the Android compatibility layer, and libhybris manages the hardware side of things.
Yep, the Office 2003 update and two Office 2007 updates are continually downloading and trying to install even though they're already installed twice now.
Well done Microsoft! ;-)
"Not Invented Here" syndrome
You can always count on Intel for that. ARM already have some very good low power and small (in terms of number of transistor) designs, Intel could easily licence any one of those but no, it has to design it's own incompatible architecture.
I do hope this fails mightily.
Re: Why would anyone target Windows Phones?
If you want something free and easy
Or you could try downloading Qt Creator which is also free, and with a single code base create apps for the whole market (other than Windows Phone) - that's iOS, Android, BB10, Sailfish, Tizen, Windows, Linux and Mac OSX.
Re: Headline is wrong
Why would nokia go for android ?
There's only one reason Nokia sold their phone business to Microsoft - because they couldn't make money from it while running Windows Phone. If Nokia believed their Devices & Services business had a future with Windows Phone, they wouldn't have sold it - it's really that simple. Nokia stopped believing in Windows Phone, or realised they would run out of money before it was once again a viable business, and had to get out. Presumably their 2011 deal with Microsoft precludes them from launching an Android phone at this point in time.
What is now more interesting is that Nokia and Microsoft have completely different business goals until this deal completes in ~6 months time. Nokia are basically losing money on every device sale as Elop chased market share with deep volume discounts and low ASPs, but now that Nokia are about to offload the D&S business they must surely be looking to protect what cash they have in the bank, which should mean eliminating discounts, raising ASP, and NOT chasing market share - exactly what Microsoft will not want.
In fact, Microsoft will want Nokia to lose as much money as possible over the next 6 months. What will Nokia do? Unless Microsoft are willing to cover Nokia's losses, Nokia should now sell only the low volume high-end, high margin Lumia stuff.
Elop to take over from Ballmer when Microsoft buy Nokia
This is all part of the long term plan. Nokia, Microsoft are one and the same now.
Nokia will launch their RT tablet and become a laughing stock when all the predictions come true, but nobody will remember or care when the entire company is borged into Microsoft in another 12 months time, with Elop running the whole show. One might even wonder if that has been the plan all along...
What a shame
Now they might get someone who knows what they're doing.
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