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Re: Too little too late? don't be preposterous!
>WinPhone nwo has over 10% UK market share! And over 10% of the EU big 5 too.
That's a complete and utter lie. In Germany it's hovering about 5-6%, and Germany is the EU's biggest economy. I'm sure that inconvenient truth won't stop you fantasising.
Re: Lots more than that -
>They also open-sourced Roslyn (the C# compiler written in C#), they've open-sourced WinJS, and introduced .NET Native. And then of course there's Cortana...
There's a difference between open source and, free and open source. In Microsoft's case, the former is encumbered with patents. So take a good look at Android and Linux, and watch how Microsoft asserts its patents to rid itself of competition, then think again whether or not it's a good idea to adopt Microsoft technologies.
I for one won't touch dotnet with a ten foot barge pole. Its cross platform support is sketchy at best, and the patents that surround it are concerning to say the least; especially when Microsoft's past behavior is taken into account.
FOSS technologies are the future, not proprietary, patent encumbered ones like Microsoft produces.
Too Little Too Late
In all honesty, I think it's too late for Microsoft. The world has moved on from Microsoft's proprietary API's to FOSS solutions like Android, ChromeOS, Ubuntu, and SteamOS. Who really needs Windows these days? Some might say the enterprise, but I don't think the enterprise really matters because they're always a decade behind everyone else. Eventually they'll catch up as well, and they won't be going Windows that's for sure. Business, governments, etc always eventually follow the consumer trends. Especially since BYOD and cloud computing now do most of what traditional fat clients used to do.
The ability to patent a finger gesture says all that needs to be said about software intellectual property - it's a complete farce. It's no different than trying to patent genes.
XFCE wins hands down
Ever since I set up my system with Arch Linux and XFCE, nothing's been able to tempt me away. I get a four second boot from grub to a fully working desktop (Vertex 4). I have yet to see another configuration that gives me the same performance, ease of use, stability, and compatibility. Most apps integrate well with XFCE, and there are many designed specifically for it, such as XFCE theme manager and Whisker menu (a real gem). I also like the well thought out built-in XFCE-4 apps. The optional compositor deserves a mention as well.
Re: Wow! That many people moved to KDE or XFCE?
Yep, I moved years ago. XFCE is stable, performant, and doesn't get in your way like Gnome's new workflow.
Re: Why permit the secrecy
> Even if most consumers don't care, we should still be able to obtain a list of which patents there has been paid royalties for with every gadget we buy.
MS would lose their advantage then - which is, without knowing the patent claims, you can't work around them. From what I've seen, most of their licensing deals revolve around FAT based patents, most of which have been invalidated in Germany already.
> And as if they care much whether you think they're making money from Android patents anyway! Yes, yes - Microsoft developed an entire phone line and integrated API and spent a massive fortune buying part of Nokia because they're shy of people knowing they make money. Of course they did.
MS are using Android royalties to prop up the loss making division that produces XBox and Windows Phone. If they weren't shy about it, they'd list it in their financials, not bury it away in order to hide losses elsewhere.
> Windows Phone is probably just smoke and mirrors to cover up it's Android revenue generating patents.
That is true. If Microsoft didn't make Windoze Phone, they'd be classed as a patent troll. In fact, some people think that's the case despite its failed phone efforts.
> Gartner estimates the cost of upgrading a Windows XP machine at between $1,205 and $2,069, for a 10,000-PC environment.
Really? And that's just upgrading? Someone's making a fortune here.
As far as upgrading hardware, I see they never considered installing GNU/Linux on existing hardware, saving the taxpayer a fortune in the process. Absolutely not, let's all just keep perpetuating the Micro$haft monopoly and depending on a single vendor for everything. Nothing could go wrong there could it?
Success Story Eh?
Like the big six energy cartel is a success story or perhaps Murdoch's News International? The government is propping up monopolies left, right, and centre.
I'm sorry to say, but at least if BT were still nationalised, all money earned from this tax payer funded infrastructure would go back into the system instead of lining the pockets of fat cat bosses and shareholders.
Wouldn't it be interesting if we had non-profit companies running our utilities whose only mandate is to keep the lowest price possible while continuous improving infrastructure for everyone. It will never happen of course, because Cameron loves to waste other people's money (tax payers) on helping his corporate fat cat friends in banking, energy, and other sectors.
This is the reason I don't vote. I don't support the currently representational paradigm. Get all these career politicians out of decision making.
> So - it's lazy good-for-nothing PAS suppliers to blame for this putrid stinking mess - mostly.
Wait, some idiot in the NHS must have approved the idea of purchasing crappy IE based and other proprietary Windoze based software to begin with. That's where the blame lies.
1. The NHS shouldn't be using Windoze full stop. It's a malware magnet.
2. They definitely shouldn't be using IE or any other non-standard and proprietary web platform.
If they continue using MS software, which is inevitable considering our government loves to choose the most expensive solutions, then when it comes time to replace XP, they'll have to replace every single PC. That's going to be one hell of a bonanza for Micro$haft and its avaricious resellers.
It's such a sad situation because all those XP machines could be repurposed for GNU/Linux and given a new lease of life. It would save millions. But as we know government isn't interested in saving money unless it involves stripping citizens of essential services and welfare.
> Windows Phone beats BLACKBERRY
Isn't that what's commonly called a hollow victory considering that between them they constitute only 6.3% of the market? The fact that Windoze Phone actually lost marketshare in Q4 2013 suggests it's actually reached its peak despite Nokia virtually giving away 520's and other low end phones in Asia and Europe.
>Office 365? I thought they were dropping all the Microsoft tosh.
Governments seem to act like crack addicts when it comes to Microsoft. They just can't seem to wean themselves off them.
It's clear the problem lies with the procurement process and the fact that Microsoft has a legion of partners (shills really) that they use to bid for government contracts. By comparison, FOSS suppliers are massively outnumbered. A similar tactic was employed while trying to ram through the ridiculously complicated (6k pages by all accounts), proprietary, and patent encumbered OOXML.
>What utter rubbish. We are still on target for at least 2 Degrees Centigrade global warming of average surface temperatures by 2100.
Do you ever listen to yourself really? No one can predict what it's going to be like in five years, let alone 76. As stated in the article, all the models assume a linear growth pattern. It never pans out, and every model that's overlapped with the present has been completely wrong.
IPCC reports are poorly written works of fiction.
Re: 20g of "processed meat"
>Fresh meat - straight from the carcass is usually fine
Yes if you like contracting diseases like Taenia Saginata. The same applies to fish as well. Always freeze / cook that stuff well folks.
AGW religious nut claims debunked by climate scientists haha, so so ironic.
>A review by an independent vendor (HP)
Are you serious? HP is Microsoft. 99% of their products run Windows and Micro$haft software.
He's what a M$ or a vendor pushing M$ products report will always include:
1. ** Retraining costs associated with migrating to Linux. This is basically where they claim all those additional costs will come from.
It's completely bogus though. Every new version of Windows or M$ Office requires retraining, and some might argue are even more of departure from the normal workflow paradigm than switching to Linux/Libre Office. Metro and the Ribbon alone are so far removed from the previous versions that the Linux desktop and Libre Office software are much easier to pickup. Thus it's more costly to retrain in M$ and their every-changing and radical UI overhauls than to go FOSS.
2. ** Document conversion costs. This is another bogus claim. How many times I've seen incompatibilities between different versions of M$ Office file formats. Safe to say, M$ doesn't include those costs in it's assessment of continuing to use its products.
Then there are the savings associated with migrating to FOSS:
1. Licence fees. There are none for software like LibreOffice.
2. Retraining costs are lower going from XP to desktop Linux than from XP to 8. The same applies going from M$ Office 2003 to LibreOffice than 2007+. Metro / Ribbon changes are so alien to users, it's like starting from scratch, whereas, the FOSS option is very familiar.
3. Hardware can be repurposed. There's no need to buy all new hardware when FOSS has lower system requirements than Windows.
4. No risk of malware, rootkits, NSA backdoors. The NHS just recently was infected with malware on their XP systems. You can bet that M$ never includes those costs when it sponsors ROI reports about migrating to FOSS.
5. Vendor neutral standards like ODF, and the plethora of office suites which implement it, guarantees future accessibility, and competitive prices for support contracts.
6. Security. All code can be audited unlike proprietary products from Micro$haft.
Re: It's not a feeder for Windows Phone
>you have to be bonkers to believe that one in ten people have a Windows Phone in the real world. 1% is believable.
The funny thing is, Nokia's almost giving away the loss making 520's, and still can't get any traction, let alone get back to Symbian levels pre- Stephen "the Trojan Horse" Elop.
> Hmm, always the same old wording time and time again. It's as if someone is being paid to comment.
I've noticed that too. Seems like we're being invaded by Microsoft reputation managers lol.
Thank you Paul and the reg for reporting on this important issue.
Microsoft doesn't want choice, it wants everyone to be reliant on its file formats so it can force vendor lock-in. For years MS has had a monopoly over governments, businesses and individuals for this very reason. If non-proprietary and patent free formats like ODF become the standard, users can interact with government using free software like LibreOffice; thus going a long way to dismantling Microsoft's iron grip on productivity software.
Re: You gotta be kidding
> You're joking about not having an understanding of the basic physics behind what has been dubbed the "greenhouse effect", right? You're kidding about not understanding the fundamental physical mechanisms behind the effects that carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, and other anthropogenic fun stuff that are increasing in concentration have in our atmosphere?
The earth is not a closed system like the experiments performed in the lab on the effects of CO2 etc. A runaway greenhouse effect observed in a closed system lab does not mean the same thing will happen in the complicated climate of the earth. Correlation does not imply causation, which is unfortunately what most of the CO2 and AGW hysteria is based around; the assumption that what happens in the lab under strict conditions will reproduce themselves in the real climate.
>but you can't refute the calculable effects of radiative forcing.
The keyword there is 'calculable'. RF theory in climate science is based on the observed effects of Co2 in the lab under controlled conditions. The earth doesn't operate under controlled conditions, which is why every single, yes you heard it right, every single climate model proposed by AGW alarmists that's overlapped with the present has been wrong, and not by a small amount either, we're talking about 500% deviations from what's actually been observed.
If you can show me a single climate model that has predicted past, present, and future temperatures, then I'll admit I'm wrong.
Re: Doing the Warmist shuffle
>Weather forecasting is excellent in the tricky environment of the UK. and Climate Modelling is really easier than weather forecasting.
Yes climate modelling is much easier because the people doing it don't have to explain themselves when it turns out to be wrong in 10, 20, 30 years.
Lacking the ability to predict weather (forecasting) accurately indicates a fundamental disconnect between our understanding of the forces and variables involved and how it really works. If someone can't predict if we're going to have a hot or wet summer (MET Office), then they lack the credentials to say what's going to happen thirty years in the future; and we all know that we've got a better chance of getting a summer prediction from a fortune teller than the MET Office.
Re: Doing the Warmist shuffle
>or skilled climate scientists?
Ha, more like skilled climate politicians. Calling them scientists doesn't make them so. I'd put more stock in physicists, mathematicians, and geologists, than some recently made up science category.
They're skilled all right, at hiding the decline, manipulating data, calling weather climate when it suits them, and whipping up hysteria to maintain and increase their funding.
These so called climate scientists are no different than Al Gore; looking to exploit fear and uncertainty about the unknown with their dire predictions of apocalypse if citizens don't get on the carbon credits con band wagon, subsidise green energy, and create energy taxes.
Re: The Big Elephant in the room
> I just spent 5 seconds looking at your posting history.
And 5 seconds looking at yours quickly reveals your pro-M$ anti-FOSS stance. I am pro-FOSS, I don't claim to be otherwise, can you say the same?
The Big Elephant in the room
It's a shame the EU can't tackle a real monopoly and its abusive practices, namely Microsoft.
Strange Going's on
> I cannot understand some voices [such as Microsoft] that have been involved in previous Article 9 commitment decisions, that now appear [to suggest] that a commitment decision is not an antitrust decision. I cannot understand this.
I can. M$ want to punish Google, and they'll never be satisfied. They want to drag this out and force as many fines, conditions, and impediments as possible on Google's search business. And after that, they'll setup more proxies like FairSearch and ICOMP and go after Android as well. What's more concerning though is that Micro$haft seems to be dictating the terms of this antitrust investigation. Who's in charge of antitrust here? Europe or the American monopoly known as Microsoft?
It only has instructions for Windoze and OS X. Guess I'm Sh*t out of luck then because I run GNU/Linux.
> Check out the site with images turned off.
Or with Noscript installed.
Re: QUOTE: and could be learned in a day.
>> Soooooo, why can't she code then if it can be learned in a day?
Politicians don't actually do anything. And that's what she is. It's just another money making scheme to scam the taxpayer.
Waste of Time
I cringed at that video. They're all completely clueless.
There was one guy who knew what he was talking about, the young blond haired guy. It's about relevancy. Schools mostly teach things without practical application, relevancy, or a sense of discovery. It's all premeditated, irrelevant, overprescribed, and teaching for the sake of teaching.
>> Surely, the NHS /UK Gov are large enough to develop their own OS and software?
They could with all the money they waste on M$ software. Not to mention all the new hardware they have to purchase to run M$' latest monstrosities, as well as having to deal with malware infections etc.
Re: Real life example
>> Some web based applications will work using compatibility mode but others will not, there are problems with getting some NHS wide applications with Win7 64bit as well.
This is everything that's wrong with government right there. Designing webapps for IE negates the whole benefit of doing them in the first place, which is platform independence. Your webapps don't even work across different versions of IE. If the developers had written against the W3C standards, they could just use a different browser.
The whole Micro$haft obsession in UK government makes my blood boil.
Re: When some knob tells you using Linux in an enterprise is too risky
>> What is the example? This seems to me to show that proprietary software was a great choice.
It isn't being supported any more, that's the exact reason the british taxpayer is having to pay Micro$oft additional patch support charges. It's called proprietary lock in for a reason, and Micro$oft loves it.
>>as it is still working and being used and supported after 13 years!
And by working, you mean it's full of exploits, security holes, and malware, sure.
>>No similar aged enterprise Linux OS is still supported.
Any organisation with any sense wouldn't be running Windoze software to begin with. Nor would it be running a decade old XP. But that's probably down to the fact that upgrading Micro$haft software is so costly and time consuming. All those NHS PC's would have to be replaced for a start.
If they were running GNU/Linux, those existing PC's wouldn't need to be replaced. And they should be upgraded to stable versions on a regular basis using a rolling release policy. And with a centralised package management, all the software is upgraded, unlike on Windows, where most of the software is outdated and acts as vectors for malware infection.
Re: When some knob tells you using Linux in an enterprise is too risky
>> If the NHS had adopted open source instead of XP, it like many very large enterprises still be using the same version of Linux and applications today, albeit with a few patches, as it installed back in 2004.
Then that would be the fault of their IT departments. Because unlike Microsoft platforms, GNU/Linux has a centralised package management, which means the whole system, including all the applications can be upgraded all at once.
And if they adopted a rolling release policy like many Linux distros, all the software, including the OS would be the latest stable version instead of being decade old, exploit ridden, and malware infected like their installations of XP.
Re: When some knob tells you using Linux in an enterprise is too risky
>> Point them to this. A perfect example why propriety technology is too risky.
And notice how the cost assessments of continuing to use Windoze and other Micro$haft software over switching to Linux never includes things like this or the recent malware infections.
>> In short- Move to web apps? You're having a giraffe.
The idea is that if the apps are properly standardised in accordance with the WWC, it won't matter what platform the browser is running on. That would eliminate all headaches about rewriting apps for Linux or OS X etc. And even the client could be made thin and barebones. Unlike running Windows 7/8 which requires a beefy machine just to boot and run the OS.
>> The one app still giving us grief is a WEB app... PACS. Used for viewing X-rays. It has a version checking script in it that asserts if you're using a browser with a version number higher than 9, you can't run it. The vendor has "previous" for this - they had the same issue when IE8 came out, then IE9... We've worked round it by hacking it but the point is we shouldn't have to.
That's your problem right there. You're running IE. It's a non-standardised mess, and was designed that way by Micro$haft in order to make sure sites wouldn't work with competing browsers. You lose the benefit of using webapps, which is platform independence, if they're written against IE.
>> Any one else have this experience? Seems like this is money for nothing if this is normal practise.
Yes I've seen this first hand. It's all about being able to report higher up the chain that you've covered your bases, or enough at least that it appears so. The truth is quite different, as evidenced by the recent malware infections in NHS systems.
XP, and other M$ software are accidents waiting to happen. There's so many zero day exploits targeting Windows, IE etc, that no patching by M$ will make a ha'penny of a difference. And as you point out, every other piece of software on a Windows OS is a potential vector for attack because there's no centralised package management and no automatic updates.
I wouldn't care if not for the fact that it's my money they're wasting on buying costly, proprietary, and non-standard software, from a company renown for milking the enterprise
You'll never hear of these costs or that of malware included in ROI figures when it comes time to tender offers for replacement systems. These maladies are conveniently omitted in order to make maintaining the status quo more appealing. It's not just the extra support payments that's going to cost the taxpayer either. It's the upgrade cycle, which will require all new PC's to run the monstrosity that is Windows 8+.
What they should do is replace all XP software with GNU/Linux. No new PC's required. No extra payments to extend XP's life, and no malware infections, which just recently caused a lot of downtime and expense. It will never happen though unfortunately because all UK IT procurement officials suckle at the teat of Micro$haft.
>> Suggesting Linux to someone unable to wean themselves off XP would probably strain the friendship to a greater degree than breaking the news that it's time to shell out for a new PC.
Implying that XP users will be right at home on that new Windoze 8 PC? Because that new fangled metrosexual UI is so similar to a traditional desktop paradigm...
Re: Who in there right mind is doing this
>> Who is actually advising there friends and family to upgrade to windows 8? I'll ask another question, who's telling people to get new computers with windows 8 on them?
No one, that's why M$ is bemoaning us ;) No techy worth his salt would recommend Windozze 8 (double z because it's even worse than previous incarnations).
>>Anyone who is tech savvy, and has friends and family asking them to look at their computer, or asking advice about operating systems will always (or at least I hope everyone is) recommending Windows 7, or Linux.
I don't recommend WIndows 7 for an XP PC because of the system requirements. Something like Xubuntu or Lubuntu would probably be better if an upgrade is desired. But I agree with the Linux bit. It also seems silly to go out and waste a load of money on a new PC with Windoze, when Linux runs great on older hardware.
>> From a technician stand point as well, who wants spend their time trying to explain to people how to use Windows 8, not only do we not have the time but we don't want to.
I fixed a PC for a family friend recently who got infected with malware. He had bought a brand new high end laptop with Windoze 8, and was infected with rootkits and other nasties within 2 weeks. Not only that, but even after purging all the crap, it runs slow as hell. Windows is just bloated and slow. He wanted something faster, so I installed Xubuntu for him. Safe to say he's extremely pleased with the result. Malware is a thing of the past for him. He can now safely do his banking online without worrying about keyloggers or other nasty stuff.
>> See, this is the sort of post that confuses the hell out of me.
If you install one of the *Buntu variants (Xubuntu, Mint, Ubuntu, Kubuntu) the install will take care of all dual boot partitioning for you automatically. The only thing you need to do is put the downloaded iso image of the distro on a cd or pen drive and boot to it. Can't get any easier than that.
Have No Fear Microsoft
>> But Redmond doesn't want you spending weekends or evenings doing XP-to-Windows-8.1 upgrades. “The easiest path to Windows 8.1 is with new devices,” the post intones.
I won't. I'll be installing Xubuntu/Mint etc instead. Users don't have to worry about increasing system requirements, or costly upgrades, and I don't have to worry about malware or Winrot then, so Win-Win, or Loss-Loss for Microsoft.
Why not just dual boot? Use a pure Linux environment when you need it, and a pure Windows when you need that.
Personally though, I'd ditch Windows altogether and go pure GNU/Linux. If you want to run Windows games, use Wine or something, or find a Linux port. Steam has a lot of games now on Linux.
Running a VM is incredibly wasteful and slow...
Why? It's the result of relentless lobbying campaigns from Microsoft and its proxy minions like FairSearch and ICOMP. See here for more details:
It's similar to the way Microsoft took over and discredited the entire ISO process in order to ram through its bloated OOXML. Unfortunately, the EU commission isn't clever enough to see that it's M$ pulling all the strings in the background.
>> They want the story to be a very strong one
Just like in any good piece of fiction...
>> and don’t want to be made to look foolish.
Too late on that front.
All sugar alcohols have that effect. I've felt the full force of it after being an absolute pig on a bag of sweets I bought, only to realise later that fine print on the bag warned of laxative effect, a gross understatement by the way. Safe to say I always read the labels now!
On the plus side, if you have constipation, this stuff will sort you right out :D
Re: A choice of words
>> You may wish to stop reading right wing media about global warming...
You may wish to stop portraying anyone who doesn't agree with AGW as right wingers. I don't agree with AGW and I'm not right wing, nor do I read right wing media. But as is typical of AGW, it's all about politics. It has nothing to do with real science.
>> Take a look at this page, which highlights just how much of a consensus anthropogenic global warming has..
The way you AGW proselytising zealots bang on about the consensus, one would almost think that you're unsure of yourselves and your ideas. Why does all this somehow remind me of religion? Denouncing non-believers who don't follow the so called consensus, of which there is none, as heretics (right wing?).
>> The idea of a sea level rise isn't "fear-mongering". It has happened already, and is >>continuing to do so. It has a direct effect on low lying countries (such as Tuvalu).
I'm going to break with tradition here and not write a rebuttal of that, but instead pose a question: So what do we do about it? Is it possible in real terms to reverse it? If not, what the hell point is there in worrying about it. Are you willing to give up your modern life and revert back to caveman status in order to stop it? Or are you just going to spout premonitions of apocalypse. I'd really like to know.
>> Loss of glacier ice is worrying, as it takes a *long* time for it to form in the first place.
I'm not worried. We'll all be dead long before it'll be a problem anyway. I'm more worried about job security and how I'm going to pay my mortgage than whether ice is melting or forming at the poles in all honesty. That might be selfish of me, but f**k it. I like to focus on the here and now, not a hundred years in the future.
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise
That the government selects a Micro$haft solution. I'm pretty sure everyone involved in the procurement process is a M$ flunky.
>> Office 365 would ensure greater resilience against connection
>> problems causing delays to emails as there were more access points to
>> Microsoft’s servers than to Parliamentary servers.
Obviously they haven't heard of all the downtime Azure, 365, and Outlook.com have been experiencing.
>> Templates across both Houses would need to be redeveloped to
>> work with Office 365. Training would be needed to realise the
>> additional benefits of the software.
So there's absolutely no benefit to using 365 other than lining the pockets of "certified" contractors and Micro$haft. Everyone will have to be retrained anyway.
I'm sure the procurement officials enjoyed the wining and dining courtesy of M$.
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