Yes, I am not paid to praise win 8 yet I continue to collect an excellent number of down votes for attempting to voice my opinion here :)

Precisely for the reason we are debating right now because a majority of people seem to be lost without it. Personally I see no need but obviously I am in the minority here based on the number of down votes I get for voicing my opinion on a daily basis.

I like how you included regulating here :)

I split my OS up essentially so if I'm running in desktop mode I rarely need start tbh

I think you are missing my point. I launch my desktop apps from my desktop taskbar and my metro apps from start unless I want to run control panel or something similar that I use infrequently which is shortcutted to start.

I do not put my legacy apps shortcuts on the start menu generally if I use them on a regular basis.

Essentially I use metro only for consumption eg news, weather, sports etc. I use legacy desktop for creation and productivity and it works great for me.

Totally agree, I have always customized my is in one form or another creating shortcuts, customizing the start menu, deleting unneeded desktop icons etc.

That's totally my point, customize start how you want it, customize desktop how you want it and your off to the races.

So even grandma cannot be shown to click the desktop icon on the start menu and then start working in legacy mode? I don't know about you but my 90 year old grandma can do this no problem....

I have had zero crashes and zero blue screens in more than 6 months of daily usage of win 8. Sounds like bad hardware or bad driver installations to me not a bad OS.

Win 8 requires zero 3rd party programs to run and be effective for personal use. Get over it, if you don't like Metro don't use it.

Your right it makes no difference, its just like using a better version of Windows 7 with the option to use apps if and when you want or need to.

I've been trying to preach that for a long time but finally we have some illustrated facts that back up the theory.

So with the above being true really all the complaints about TIFKAMare somewhat nullified. If you don't like it don't use it and shut the heck up...

Is it really a big fail though if your issue with the OS is as trivial as it does not launch in desktop mode?

I kinda disagree on the playstation presentation. They did not show the hardware except the controller, they talked about what it would have but somewhat hazy on the details still.

Feels like MSFT had a few more innovative ideas (how well they execute them remains to be seen) but having used ps3 from the start and having tried the 360 at friends houses many times I have always preferred game play on ps3.

I guess in reality we need to wait a few more months for full specs and capabilities to be divulged.

Umm yes: http://m.cnet.com/news/apple-releases-revised-plans-for-its-spaceship-headquarters/57581319

To be fair its not technically a native app its a wrapper but its a very nice wrapper none the less.

I agree, opening up BBM may actually kill their handset business completely as its probably the biggest differentiator they have.

Perhaps they already realize their market share is dead so are looking elsewhere for a silver lining to lean on in the future.

Love how you twist everything possible to paint your favorite is in the best light possible.

Try putting a shoe on the other foot and imagine (I know its difficult) that you were a windows phone user how would you feel...this is just dumb corporate animosity being played out at consumers expense.

The google crap with trying to screw Microsoft over WP has been going on since well before the adverts about privacy came out. You should check your facts first.

Hahaha I know, that was exactly what I thought of as well.

BBC player now available for windows phone....

http://www.wpcentral.com/bbc-finally-releases-iplayer-windows-phone-and-its-strong-start

As I keep trying to say as much as I can here the apps are arriving at a pretty good pace and it should be a matter of time until the playing field is more leveled (don't think it will ever be level as MS is starting from too far behind and don't have the support in numbers that ios/android have.)

Just tired of seeing bashing for the sake of it by people with no clue what they are talking about.

Issues here are legit and can't be argued.

Wrong on basically everything in your comments...

Battery life is fine unless you call all day heavy use with no charging unacceptable or with medium use I can go until the next day with no charge.

I have all the apps I need and more are arriving weekly.

Bluetooth playback of media does not stutter on mine.

Proximity sensor could use a little work but it is not terrible as you indicated.

The in call keyboard is fine no clue what you are talking about there.

All in all sounds like you googled and selected a few generic issues with WP then entered here.

It's ok for there to be a good 3rd option for smart phone users btw.

Anonymous coward so mehhh

Tend to disagree with that comment. The good just got more widely available is probably how I would describe it.

I think all the feature phones on all platforms are as good as each other it just comes down to personal preference (mine is wp8 currently) the 925 looks nice but 16gb storage and no built in wireless charging are not the best way to sell a device to potentially new customers who you want to convince to move from android.

Agreed which is annoying although you can sync through the cloud.

EOS should be out later this year with 1080p, 41mp and all the trimmings....

I agree, I think windows phone has a lot of promise. Full disclosure I have been using it since 7.0 with a Gen 1 Samsung Focus and even back then though it was in its infancy it worked well just with no bells & whistles.

Apps are coming gradually, still some major ones missing but it seems they are picking up steam.

Things I want/need: separate volume controls for media and notifications, a unified notification center for designated apps, tv remote control app for my LG LED TV or better yet universal remote control, my bank is a small place so probably not gonna get an app for that but more banking apps, instagram (not for me just so people stop bitching about it), improved Xbox music (needs work), better voice controls and a good IRC client.

All in all though I could get zero updates for my 920 as of now and be totally satisfied with the experience.

Glad you are enjoying too!!

How do I get down voted for asking someone to explain why they said something with nothing written to explain why they have that opinion....

This is an article about phones dumbass. Learn to read before you comment.

Try googling EOS by Nokia then see if you still feel this way. Nokia did announce at least one cool accessory as well today with the dash mount equipped with NFC.

If they announce all phones at one event but aren't releasing some things for 6 months they would get crushed for talking about things too early ala frustration with the wait for the 920 last year.

Which way would you like it??

Retarded comment. Just because it's not the biggest market share doesn't make it bad.

99% of users are not going to root their device they will use as is. Stop thinking about you and think about someone's old man or mum trying to use it.

You just proved that you agree with the article. Unadulterated android on a nexus good hw, clean sw. Adulterated android with OEM bloatware on a low specced device bad.

Please expand on totally shit, would like to get details from someone clearly as disgusted with it as you....

Finally a voice of reason, was beginning to lose faith!!

Please explain how windows phone 8 sucks so badly AC we all would love to know your obviously intellectual thoughts.

The wireless charging plates you can attach to the back come in colouts.

1gb ram is more than enough for wp8, I've been using 920 since launch in the US, its buttery smooth.

Would put money on a lot more people than that...im shocked that they even sold 15,000 of those bad boys tbh I guess some people are really that serious about fb.

So you just let other people make up your mind for you then think that you have the ability to comment objectively??

This is entirely the problem....

Actually am neither of those things, simply a consumer who has been using windows OS since about 95 not worried about being down voted for saying I like something even though the majority disagree.

Last couple of lines were a joke also just fyi as I know most of the folks here can't stand anyone actually praising anything created by MSFT.

My experience with win 8 - been using since August on my home desktop PC (not touch), tried going back to win 7 after using 8 for about 6 weeks and realized how much more I enjoyed using 8....

But if you don't want to run in metro you don't have to, you can pin whatever to desktop or legacy taskbar so the only time you need metro is when you boot.

I don't get why everyone is crushing it when you have a choice?

Personally I use metro for a few things eg sports apps, tech apps and other news but otherwise I'm in desktop mode as if I'm using win 7 but with a better UI.

Obviously I am in the minority if they are talking about reverting to start menu, would prefer just an option to renew start vs fully bringing it back tbh.

First come up with something original. Second come up with something original. Third you are wrong.....such a lame comment.

Personally I cannot wait for the EOS later this year, potentially a 41mp sensor (not that size is everything but...)

So shocked that your account has not been disabled for trolling, wonder where else you do this. People who make unjustified comments like you do on a regular basis really need to find a better hobby, life is too short!!

Rightttt, cos every android phone is better than this one yeah?? Hmm don't think so.