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Steve Jobs' bio man tackles geeks who 'created the digital revolution'

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Gates on the Cover?

I have a problem with that. Gates did not actually innovate customer extortion, just took it to a new level.

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Sign off my IT project or I’ll PHONE your MUM

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@Terry6 - Re: Special

Wrote:- "[the manager] headed up the team that briefed the system designers and tried the system out, but had never approached any ordinary users

and:- Trying to show [the manager] how it should have been set up to work. So that she could then go back to the developers to get it sorted out"

We had a similar thing. Our manager and IT dept gave a spec for a paper-flow system to a contractor without consulting us users. We were strictly forbidden to say anything more than "Good morning" to the contractor who was working on our site for two months, and returning afterwards to the contractor to address the glaring shortcomings or even to debug was totally out of the question.

The reason given by management is that every time one of us were to open our mouths about how it should be done, the contractor would have added another £n000 to the bill as a "varation".

The saddest part was that we previously had a perfectly good working system using Paradox and WordPerfect, created by someone (a civil engineer, not an IT guy) in our own branch. Him being just there also had the advantage that he would implement any changes needed as time went on. But we had to ditch it because management wanted an all-Microsoft shop, and moreover wanted to ban any in-house coding on the assumption that it could not be any good.

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@Bloodbeastterror - Re: Top drawer agreed...

Wrote := I'll skip over this sentence, though - "roll out a system that doesn’t properly"

I assumed that something got left off a cut-and-paste there.

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White LED lies: It's great, but Nobel physics prize-winning great?

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@ scatter

Wrote :- "We've already reached saturation of interior lighting levels in our homes (at least in the UK)

So all homes have all their lights on all the time?

Offices, yes. At work there is a glass covered (roof and sides down to knee level) 50 yd link between two buildings. Every morning its continuous line of flourescent tube lights is still on from the previous night (presumably the night guard patrol turns it on in summer). I turn it off each morning, because it is as bright as daylight in there. If I do not, no-one else does. In fact if anyone else sees me turn it off they give me a very funny look - almost makes me ashamed to do it.

These people would not leave such lights on at home - yet. But even I now keep my hall light on all evening because it has a low energy bulb. I did not leave it on when it was incandescent, so I certainly use more electricity there now than before.

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Motorist 'thought car had caught fire' as Adele track came on stereo

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@JP19 - Re: I'm not sure

wrote :- "The general driving populace numbers about 30 million. Do you really not expect it to contain a proportion of idiots?"

I thought the object of the driving test was to weed them out.

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Google in 'right to be forgotten' snub probe: Ireland tackles moans

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Re: @Ian Michael GumbyHere's the rub...

big_D wrote :- "I never said that the newspapers should remove the stories from their websites. In fact I said that they cannot do this"

Then they should try :

rm docroot/stories/Frederika_Bloggs_murder_trial.html

They just need a court or a law to make them do it.

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Re: @Ian Michael GumbyHere's the rub...

Nuke wrote :- "If he does not like it he should complain to the web sites of the reporting press"

DavCrav replied :- "That wouldn't do much good. Newspapers are protected under public records provisions."

and big_D replied :- "That's the problem Nuke, he can't."

Double whoosh.

Of course he can complain. He can send them a letter or email complaining - just as I can complain about the Earth being round. I know perfectly well it won't change anything (try silencing the Press). But that does not justify attacking a third party instead. Just because the Earth remains round does not justify my bashing my next-door neighbour's head in, or even complaining to him about it. I should complain to God (the guy the Press think they are) - the true culprit - even if he is not likely to listen.

But that is not my point. My point is that it is the websites of the press that are showing the info. Google is just a method (among others) of searching for website content. Big_D thinks it better if only a dedicated researcher, not Joe Public, could find this stuff - like in the olden days by looking through paper archives.

If, IF, we accept Big_D's argument, then the answer is for newspapers to remove everything over a month old (say) from their websites. Seeing that the highest courts are now involved in this affair, let them get the statute law changed to enforce this, or establish case law by punishing the Press for keeping this stuff on-line (the Press won't do anything otherwise) instead of punishing Google, who are just a vehicle for info already in the public domain.

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@Ian Michael GumbyRe: Here's the rub...

Wrote :- "if you google the guy's name... you don't get that he was exonerated and won millions of dollars in lawsuits, but you get his name and all of the press from his trial."

If he does not like it he should complain to the web sites of the reporting press, not to Google for finding them.

But the guy got millions for it? I'd take that deal any day.

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Re: What's that Spanish guy's name again?

It's Mario Costeja González. Sounds like he didn't keep up his mortgage payments.

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Gates and Ballmer NOT ON SPEAKING TERMS – report

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@mhoneywell - Re: Ballmer's MIcrosoft legacy...

Wrote :- "Most successful people only have one good idea, and it usually only succeeds by accident. I don't think you can criticize people for that."

I don't think he was criticising him for having one good idea, but for having no more than that.

I am racking my brains to think what that one good idea was. Was it donkey.bas?

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Dot-gay told it's NOT gay enough – but web'll be officially .eco-friendly

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@AndyS - Re: A joke....

Wrote :- "and .me means... well, I'm not sure really

I haven't a clue either. But I have registered two domains with .me because I wanted a particular address and it was already taken under .co .com .org etc.

These dot extensions are meaningless. except where it includes the country of origin (assuming it is correct). I have been looking for building regulations lately and there is sometimes no other way of knowing I am not looking at the regs of some other English speaking country. Browsing one earlier, it was only when I got to a reference to roofing "shingles" that I realised it was a USA website.

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Official: Turing's Bombe BETTER than a Concorde plane

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Re: @Peter Gathercole - HMS Belfast

Peter Gathercole wrote :- "

[The competition] is the best historical artefact, so unfortunately, it is limited to what actually still exists"

The Turbinia then, the first turbine vessel, now in a Newcastle museum.

"but Dreadnought herself was rapidly overtaken by subsequent ships"

So was the Bombe overtaken, and most other good inventions (not Concorde though)

"the Queen Elizabeth class [battleships], which was IMHO probably the peak of the British Super Dreadnoughts. Subsequent ships ... culminated in the fast battleship"

Indeed, the QEs was superb, but they were "fast battleships" as a type, the first of the type. At Jutland they were placed with the battlecruiser squadrons, having the speed for it.

Citizen99 wrote :- "Slightly pedantic topic swerve ;-) , The Hood was a battlecruiser"

Yes, but battlecruisers are generally regarded as a type of battleship rather than a type of cruiser. The Dreadnought type and the battlecruiser type were later merged into the single fast battleship type, mentioned by PG.

Battlecruisers got a bad name because of the losses at Jutland, and of the Hood. However this is partly a consequence of their being in the forefront of the fleet; at Jutland they (and the QEs) took the brunt of the fighting and night fell before the main Dreadnought fleets got to grips with each other. The Hood was sent after the Bismark because it was one of the few available British "battleships" fast enough to stand a chance of catching it.

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@Peter Gathercole - Re: HMS Belfast

Wrote :- "

The original intention was to allow the ships to carry more (16 vs. 12) six inch guns, but as the quadruple turrets were never built"

Interesting, I did not know about the quadruple turret plan.

However, I don't know why the Belfast was in the same running as Concorde and Turing's Bombe; it was a fairly conventional cruiser, bigger than most but in technical terms similar to hundreds of others in the British and foreign navies at the outbreak of WW2. Only the fact that is is preserved might make it seem special to people today - but in its time it was fairly ordinary, and a minnow compared with battleships such as the Hood and the Vangard, and the Ark Royal as you say.

To nominate a warship I would say HMS Dreadnought, the 1906 battleship, so advanced for its day that made all others obsolete at a stoke. If only we still had the technological drive and confidence those guys had back then!

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Linux systemd dev says open source is 'SICK', kernel community 'awful'

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@ Benjol

Wrote "Taylor 1 gets more downvotes than upvotes just for recounting his experience, with no insults involved. Kind of confirms what he says."

This is not an Open Source forum, so why does that confirm anything? In fact, I have found that factually recounting any non-upbeat experience on any forum (political, lifestyle, closed source, whatever) can bring downvotes even when you think you are being neutral; it is not exclusively an Open Source thing.

Perhaps in this case the downvotes are because he refers to "a few years ago" and by implication goes on to assume that remains the case today (would not go back etc). In recent years I have used a number of Open Source forums and have not found any of that behavour.

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Chap runs Windows 95 on Android Wear

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Re: Imagination?

"There would be no room in the pub and it would be so full of bores no one else would want to go there anyway!"

Already is.

BTW, the "Guru" in the O2 advert on the right : isn't that Rolf Harris?

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TEEN RAMPAGE: Kids in iPhone 6 'Will it bend' YouTube 'prank'

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Re: Conflicted

Wrote :- "if the Apple employee did say that the iPhone could **NOT** be bent then it seems only right and proper that potential customers could validate that claim"

I was recently buying a bed with built-in drawers inder it. Such drawers have been getting weaker and weaker over the years (bottoms used to be plywood, then hardboard, now cardboard, paper next?), so I asked the salesman how stong the drawers were.

He said you could stand in them. I was almost tempted to step in, but intead I invited him to step in himself. You never saw a smile vanish so fast from a salesman's face. He didn't, and I didn't buy the bed.

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EU dangles $6bn threat over Google in endless search abuse probe

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@Ratfox

Wrote :- "Stop showing a map from Google Maps when searching for an address"

This is getting really silly.

How about paper maps. Do you buy an Ordnance Survey map and then complain that when you open it it shows an Ordnance Survey map? Do you look in the paper Yellow Pages and complain that it does not tell you to go and look in Thompsons instead? WTF do expect to see when you look for an address on Google's website?

If it really pisses you off, use Steetmap instead.

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Monitors monitor's monitoring finds touch screens have 0.4% market share

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@Wade Burchette - Re: Not surprising

Wrote :- "Touch screen works well in point-of-sale machines because the user stands close to the machine, their arm is not extended.

Touch screens are also a good choice for public terminals such as in information kiosks, because there is as little as possible to vandalise or throw ice cream over; coupled with blocky interface apps that do not challenge even the lowest 0.1 percentile visually impaired or ham-fisted. Why anyone would have thought such an arrangement a good idea for home and office PCs I cannot begin to imagine.

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Does this float your boat? Dead Steve Jobs to hijack yachts from BEYOND THE GRAVE

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ZanzibarRastapopulous - Re: The Price of Patents..

Wrote :- "Can you imagine how expensive patents would be if the patent office had to ensure that each one was fully defensible in court with no overlapping patents or prior art?

Would not cost much if they demanded to see a working prototype before they granted a patent. The UK Patent Office used to do this.

Nor would it cost much if they employed some people with enough general knowledge to had already heard of the existence of stuff as commonplace as radio control. Christ, I became aware of radio control devices when I was still in a pushchair. Where the hell do the USPO find such unworldly people - from unexplored parts of the Amazon Forest or something?

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@Lars - Re: High time

Wrote :- "High time I patented .... a handheld gadget remotely controlling a small boat, and a large and a small train,

Ah ha! You forgot something - an aeroplane! Too late for you, I thought of it first. And a guided missile : Oh wait, they thought of that three-quarters of a century ago : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henschel_Hs_293

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@westlake - Re: Repeat after me.

Wrote :- "Fiction is not prior art. ... [A screenwriter] doesn't have to engineer a solution robust and sane enough to trusted when remotely piloting a 60 meter yacht.

Neither does an applicant to the US Patent Office. All they need is a proposal on paper which can be a mere flight of fancy, let alone fiction.

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Microsoft's axeman Nadella fills baskets with 2,100 fresh heads

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@ largefile

Wrote :- "MS got 32,000 new employees in the Nokia acquisition. Did anyone really expect them all to remain?

No.

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What's this 'pay as you go' cloud crap? Dunno about you, but my apps don't work that way

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Re: Is this even controversial?

"But what choice is there in the long run?"

What people did before the cloud was hyped.

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Murdoch to Europe: Inflict MORE PAIN on Google, please

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@RyokuMas - Re: Much as you may hate him...

Wrote :- "- we have heard allegations of Google manipulating search results to lower competitors rankings

Actually I am sick of Google giving links to their competitors in search results. For example, I have just Googled for "monmouth plumbers" (near where I live) and the top results are all competing directories :- ratedpeople, yell, mybuilder, thompsonlocal and further down are 192, cylex, and yelp.

It's stupid. If I wanted to look in Thompsons or Yell I would have looked there in the first place. If I look under plumbers in the paper Yellow pages, I see plumbers, not instructions to "Look in Thompsons instead!". If I search for Monmouth plumbers I want to be given Monmouth plumbers, not other f#&king search sites. The Web is awash with too many search sites. I am told on good authority (ie someone who works there) that Google include their competitors in search results to avoid being accused of monopoly practice - it is obviously not working though.

"Facebook have been running pychological experiments with newsfeeds"

WTF is that to do with Google?

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What kind of mugs do you take us for? Malicious sites in spam scams target UK

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@AC - @Ledswinger

Upvote from me, but you wrote :-

"I can imagine there was a similar disjoint with cars, electricity and industrial production in the past

That is not the past, it is the present.

Until parliament ... is better populated by those with a genuine grasp of technology

The only PM I am aware of with a technical background was Mrs T who had a chemistry degree. I remember "New Scientist" magazine celebrating that fact when she came to power.

However it backfired. Having changed careers, science to politics, she seemed to look back with hate at the time she was the lab junior (having to fetch, carry, and make the tea like we all did once?) and had it in for technology. In the event she presided over the destruction of Britain as a leading technical nation, steering it to "Service" industries.

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Thatcherite Culture ?

Perhaps the Germans and French do not share British companies' love affair with sub-contracting and constant changes of ownership that Mrs T's government kicked off. For example, I had BP supplying me with LPG (I live in the sticks). Then one day I got an email from an outfit called MacGas saying "We have taken over BP's business. Your quarterly tank rental is due. Pay us £n now." (A year later the ownership changed again).

Without reading the Financial Times every day, how TF are we to know if this is genuine? Phone a help line and be told by someone with an Indian accent "Yes, pay us!" ? Very re-assuring, not. I would have thought that if a company changes hands, then all its contract customers should be sent some form of communication from Companies House (at the new owner's expense) as confirmation.

As someone above said, the public are trained to accept scams.

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Italy's High Court orders HP to refund punter for putting Windows on PC

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@Uncle Ron - Re: Marketplace

Wrote :- "It's probably unfair to penalize or to consider penalizing MS in 2014 for a marketplace system that has been institutionalized since the 1980's. It's not good or bad, it just is.

Exactly.

Like I've been murdering people since the 1980's and putting the bodies under the floorboards. The neighbours complain about the smell, but the police now accept it as part of the scene around here - it has become institutionalised. It would be unfair to penalise me now. It just is.

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MEN WANTED to satisfy town full of yearning BRAZILIAN HOTNESS

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@Anomalous Cowshed - Re: Beware, O horny IT types!

Wrote:- "You're assigned to baba Samba y Futebol. She's not had a man in over 80 years"

New keyboard from you please.

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@James Micallef - Re: spiders

Wrote :- "Adding a few eligible bachelors to a community with a lot of single women"

No chance of that. After this story the place is going to be overwhelmed with men.

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Pedals and wheel in that Google robo-car or it's off the road – Cali DMV

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Re: Strangely, that is EXACTLY what happened..

Wrote :- "I will only ever sit in an automated car where there is a big fat handle labelled ABORT that does something MECHANICAL to kill the damn thing and open the door.

Same here. My experience with most computer controlled things (operating systems for a start, then word processors as another example) is that I very soon find that I have a scenario that the programmer never thought of, or assumed would never be required. Automated help lines of banks are another example ("Press 1 to increase your overdraft, Press 2 to find out your balance, Press 3 to set up a Direct Debit, etc etc") - I am never calling about anything they have thought of.

So we are to believe that those who program automated cars have thought of every situation that might arise on the road - orders of magnitude more situations than could arise with a bank account?

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@ Henry Wertz 1

Wrote :- "Human-driven cars only need $35,000 worth of liability insurance.

I'm interested where you got that figure. What country do you live in? I am in the UK and thought it was several million. I'd be interested in putting up a $35,000 (in GBP equivalent) bond rather than pay my ~300 GBP annual insurance premium. It is a better return than many bank savings accouns.

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Amazon to dig DEEPER into YOUR shopping habit BRAIN with targeted ads system

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@Mint Sauce

Wrote :- "You bought a toaster! Here are 57 more toasters that you might be interested in!

That is because they know that the one they just sold you is crap.

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iPhone owners EARN MORE THAN YOU, says mobile report

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Writer paid per word?

" the time it takes for Earth to go around the Sun "

Thanks for using eleven words when one would have done.

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Munich considers dumping Linux for ... GULP ... Windows!

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Re: I smell a shill

Wrote :- "I've worked for state bodies: but for most of my working life I have been with private enterprise. PE is incredibly inefficient ........ Of course there are exceptions and, of course, some civil servants are appalling."

Agreed - I've seen both sides of it too. Small businesses, supposed to be the most efficient of all, ("nimble", "lean" and all that myth), are the worst. The one's I've seen have been owned and run by people who merely inherited them (from perhaps more capable forefathers) and would not employ anyone who they could see were more capable and intelligent than themselves - out of fear and jealousy I suppose.

My wife, a bookkeeper, (very capable, but in a different field from the companies' main businesses) has worked for several small companies (and through them has dealt with many more), and the stories she can tell of their incompetence would make your hair stand on end. According to Free Market theory they should go out of business, but they don't because their rivals are even more incompetent.

Dangerous and illegal working practices are rife in small companies too. Like where she works now, when the HSE safety inspectors call, they park their illicit bottled-gas heaters off-site in the lorry and move a ton of junk away from the fire doors; the inspectors always forewarn their visits because they have been told to "go easy" on small businesses.

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New voting rules leave innocent Brits at risk of SPAM TSUNAMI

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@ Brenda McViking - Re: Mail order deliverers?

Wrote "They tiptoe up to the door ... and then launch your new monitor over the fence"

..... or they take it away and leave a note that you must collect it from their depot. I have been asked to collect from a depot which was further away than where I ordered the goods from.

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@Fihart - Re: Doorbells @Ho Ho Hipster

Wrote :- "just seems logical to include a phone number on delivery instructions"

I have a regular gas tank delivery. I have asked delivery guys to phone 5 minutes before they arrive so I can unlock a side gate and get my dog out of the garden.

They told me that the company mobiles they carry can only ring their HQ. This is not uncommon I gather, presumably to stop delivery men from using company phones for personal calls. You can hardly expect them to use their own phones.

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Tim Cook on pale, male Apple: 'As CEO, I'm NOT satisfied'

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FTFA :- "its [US] staff is 55 per cent white .. 15 per cent Asian. ... 11 per cent .. Hispanic, . 7 per cent .... black....

According to America's 2010 census, 77.7 per cent ... white; 5.3 per cent is Asian; 17.1 per cent is hispanic..; and 13.2 per cent is black.

So he must be ranting that there are too many Asians and not enough whites, unless that is a misprint.

My former uni has banged on about getting more girls to apply ever since I've know it. They are now about 55% femail. Yet they still bang on about getting more girls to apply. It is beyond me what their agenda is, unless they see girls as ornaments.

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Chinese cops cuff teen over Heart App Android malware flap

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Hoping they submit him to some Chinese torture

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No more turning over a USB thing, then turning it over again to plug it in: Reversible socket ready for lift off

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Just what the world needs ...

... another connector standard. As for first post thinking 5 years is a turnover time for kit, my camera is 10 years old and going no-where yet, and bits of my PC kit are >20 years old - I am typing on a 1992 IBM AT keyboard with a PS/2 connector right now. I don't think the world can afford to follow the throw-away cult for many more years anyway.

Saving a few seconds? ... balance that against the time you spend earning the money to replace your all leads or buy cumbersome adaptors, or even new kit itself. Doesn't even take me a few seconds - I glance in USB plugs as I pick them up.

I don't know why they could not have made the orientation of such plugs obvious in the first place. They could have adopted a semi-circular profile for example (my PS2 keyboard plug body at least does have such a flat on it). Oh, wait, I am forgetting there is a fashion for "flat" shapes.

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Chomp that sausage: Brits just LOVE scoffing a Full Monty

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@Richard 81 - Re: Wikipedia Rules

Wrote :- "Nope, it was tea. Tea served us very well in the old imperial days.

Nope, it was cigars, and gin and tonic. The tonic was quinnine and it kept the tropical fevers away; the cigar smoke kept the mosquitos away in the evening.

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@Dalek Dave

Wrote :- "When [a soldier] was demobbed after WW2 one was given one's Demob Suit... designed by Montegue Burton. ... he was said to have 'Gone for a Burton'.

I always thought that "Gone for a Burton" originally (and before the end of WW2) meant "gone for a beer", Burton being a brand of it. It was an advertising slogan - like there would be a cartoon of a bus waiting with no driver and one passenger saying in a speech bubble "Where's the driver?" and another replies "Gone for a Burton!". (No drink-drive worries in those days)

It became a national standing joke, with "Gone for a Burton" being used about any absentee, then especially if they had met withan accident. So a mother might say to her 8 year-old going too near a cliff edge : "Careful, or you'll go for a Burton!".

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HUMAN RACE PERIL: Not nukes, it'll be AI that kills us off, warns Musk

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@Captain DaFt - Re: I don't buy it

Wrote : "If the AI is truly intelligent, it'll realise that every link in the chain supporting it requires human intervention. (Power, manufacture, software, etc.)

I would have thought that those functions (manufacture etc) would be the very first areas in which AI would be put to use and make humans redundant - we are halfway there already.

Then humans would be doing nothing but lounging around (like the Eloi in "The Time Machine"), or "at work" attending conferences on how to organise conferences (like we do already), or spending all day posting redundant comments to El Reg (like this one). Sorry, no reliance on humans at all by that point.

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SOULLESS machine-intelligence ROBOT cars to hit Blighty in 2015

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@CCCP - Re: @AceRimmer - Will these night time trucking lorries

I wrote :- "It's worse them that"

CCCP wrote :- "You cannot use the Pedantic icon and then spew that. "I must triple check my posts" [repeat]

Sorry. I must triple check my posts. I must triple check my posts

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@future research - Re: A few Things that will happen

Wrote :- "if I could spot a google car would just cross the road in front of it expecting it to stop. Can't see them progressing very well in cities"

I thought of that too, not so much me doing it, but more likely kids playing chicken. Especially if there is no-one in the car because there is no irate driver to deal with afterwards (but never mind the cars behind it). It will be great sport in certain urban areas - I'm looking at Southmead in Bristol, once called the joy-ride capital of Britain..

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@John Robson - Re: Minister for silliness?

Wrote : - "Strength in cars - erm where are all our manufacturers? Even JLR is now indian ... Strengths in urban design - really?"

Yes, that brought me up short too. I understand that Aston Martin and one or two other niche makers are the only British cars still made. Don't try and tell me that foreign designed cars assembled here are British or you will sound like a politician; such cars have the clever stuff (like design) done abroad, and from the context the Science minister is meant to be referring to the clever stuff.

Ditto urban design. Town and country planning is now a free-for-all ("free market" you see) so how can we have any urban design expertise? Only individual buildings are now designed in the UK, the rest just happens.

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Re: AC:- I want a driverless car!

" they can use the car parks at some of those mega supermarkets that are apparently being made obsolete by e-commerce."

That will be no time soon.

I doubt you'd need to have cars cruising round looking for spaces - it seems a small further step to link the car up to something that would tell you where there was a space?"

That facility is not specific to self driving cars. Moreover, when I drive though city streets I very rarely see any spaces, and whenever car pulls out of a space ahead, someone in front of me invariably pulls straight into it. It would seem that most cars driving along city streeets are just cruising for a parking space. waiting for this to happen, so there is zero chance of an empty space half-a-mile away still being empty by the time I reach it. As for city-centre car parks; oh, the GP did away with them becase they were ugly..

"And perhaps to put the car to some good use while you're doing your shopping"

What would that be? Lend it to a neighbour? - no thanks.

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@AceRimmer - Re: Will these night time trucking lorries

Wrote "Will ... lorries have special software in them to accommodate the need to pass other lorries in an overtaking manoeuvre that lasts at least ten minutes? .. If (MySpeed - OtherSpeed > 0.00000000000001)"

It's worse them that. MySpeed is often only > OtherSpeed because it is in Other's slipstream. Once past, the situation is reversed and OtherSpeed becomes > MySpeed.

It is even worse than that because each lorry has a bow-wave and tail-wave of air. Once alongside eachother they can get stuck together aerodynamically and can stay like that for miles until one of them throttles right off.

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Thirteen Astonishing True Facts You Never Knew About SCREWS

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Re: Screw vs bolt bs

Wrote :- "I was taught .. Something is a bolt if it is fitted by applying torque to the nut and a screw if torque is applied to the head."

It is true that with a nut and bolt the first option is just to do up the nut if possible, but often you need a spanner on both the nut and the bolt head - when your definition breaks down.

There is some truth in what you say, but in my experience it depends on context. In the store room, a screw is something threaded up to its head and a bolt is only threaded part-way. (Except wood screws). However, once the bolt/screw is in use your definition is partly right - anything with a nut on the other end tends to be called a bolt - if for no better reason than you just cannot tell how far it is threaded once fitted. Like on a ship (I have been a ship's engineer) you might tell a fitter to "take the bolts out of those pipe joint flanges", even if they turn out (though unlikely) to be what the storeman would call screws.

A fully threaded screw in a tapped hole tends to be called a machine screw, and a set screw is a machine screw in a tapped hole protruding beyond it so that its tip locates something, like engaging in a hole in a shaft (eg securing a wheel hub to the shaft). A set screw may of may not be a grub screw (ie a screw with no head, driven by a socket or slot in its body).

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Barry Rueger - Re: Robertson Rules!

Wrote :- "I still can't imagine why the easily stripped and screwed up Phillips, or the "Whoops damn it slipped out of the slot" regular screw are so popular."

Never heard of Robertson. A square socket : looks like it's been around a long time in America but no-where else much. Looks a bit crude and similar in function to an Allen (hexagon).

I hope you are not lumping Pozidriv in with "Phillips". From Wikipedia :- "The chief disadvantage of Pozidriv screws is that they are visually quite similar to Phillips, thus many people are unaware of the difference" Pozidriv screw heads have as a visual marker of four radial ticks at 45deg to the main slots.

Pozidrivs are brilliant and Phillips are awful. Phillips screwdrivers are meant to slip out of the screw when "sufficient" torque is reached! They were invented specifically for automated assembly so that the driver would cam out and spin harmlessly when the screw was tight - but in the hand they can of course slip sideways after cam-out, and ruin the adjacent surface (or your other hand), especially as they require a great deal of end force to try to keep the driver in the screw. Even before the point of cam-out, Phillips screws and drivers are made to much lower tolerances than Pozidriv, often being quite sloppy, typified by their use in toys and cheap electronics of Far Eastern design. All leading to a poor and frustrating experience.

OTOH Pozidrivs will not cam out and are an excellent fit. Assembling stuff in awkward places, like up a ladder where I can use only one hand, I often carry a Pozidriv screw just fitted onto the end of the screwdriver; the driver will hold it that way in a horizontal position, and even downwards with a bit of magnetism or grease.

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Re: Bah!

Wrote :- "You can *use* a machine screw as a bolt, but there are penalties for doing so without using a bushing as any proper engineer would know."

An equivalent thing is modern wood screws which are threaded up to the head as opposed to traditional ones the upper half of which are plain. So the modern ones don't have the positive shear location that the traditional ones do - instead of having a tapered pin drawn into it, the upper piece is held only by the tips of the thread, assuming it has a pilot hole.

But apparently Joe Public likes the modern type because more thread looks stronger; he is also more likely to get away with drilling no pilot holes, especially as modern timber is crap (or isn't even proper timber), never mind that the two workpieces can end up being held slightly apart because both get a thread cut in them, but out of phase with each other.

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