1205 posts • joined Friday 1st June 2012 10:28 GMT
Re: I want to remain anonymous when I travel
"And worst case, if there was an accident in a tunnel it might help the emergency services to know that you went through the barriers a little before and have yet to exit from another station"
In any serious emergency there's likely to be an evacuation with barriers opened for speed, so it won't be any use for listing the unaccounted-for.
it points to a central fact: the most profitable, successful mobile companies are also those with the highest capital expenses the most on capital infrastructure
But the causation is that if you're stinking rich you choose to invest a lot, not that investing creates success. Apple, for example, were spending the least on this in 2007. Certainly in terms of reported R&D expense Nokia were spending more in 2007 than Apple by a factor of two, and fat lot of good that's done them.
Much more interesting would be to redo this chart to include Motorola, Nokia, RIM and ARM, and then to similarly chart the operating profits of all the companies. The article hints at this, but then doesn't do the legwork.
At a guess, the underlying reality is that it probably costs as much to develop unsuccessful products as it does successful ones. And that means that Apple and Samsung's considerable investments today are no guarantee of future success. Apple got where they are today not by determined spending, but by the zealotry and demanding perfectionism of Steve Jobs. Let's see if Cook can spend his way to success?
In part yes. But faced with a diet of Australian TV anybody would choose to go outside regardless of the weather.
Re: Oh, I love this!
I'd never use Opera because of their constant whining to the EU about Microsoft's "monopoly". Perhaps if they weren't charging for a browser back when everyone else was already giving them out for free they'd have less problems today.
Well you'd probably be pretty cheesed off if you coded a product for some years as a means of earning a crust, and then a competitor ripped the rug out from you by giving away a vaguely similar product free, on the back of a monopoly in another business line.
And arguably the reason why IE is so insecure is because nobody pays for it, and there's no commercial market for browsers - so if people don't pay, who's willing to invest in improvements? "Free" software is good because you don't pay for it up front, but you then live with the downsides for some while. Look at how sparse the market is for good email clients - they're mostly free because Outlook Express was given away "free", but there's now not much choice or innovation (even Mozilla parted ways with Thunderbird). Acrobat Reader is another example of "free" meaning "not as good as something there's a market for".
Re: I want to remain anonymous when I travel
"This is still possible with my Oyster if I always top up with cash"
Depends how anonymous you want to be. In terms of privacy of an innocent person of no interest to the police, you've got that with your cash paid Oyster. But if they wanted to trace you then it's easy to tie your Oyster transaction times to CCTV, so a matter of minutes to tie a face to your card, a matter of seconds to collect your journey history. Electronically that's still anonymous without face recognition and a national identity database, but if so minded I suspect they could correlate the card movements with (for example) mobile phone records and if you're on contract that links to all of your electronic identities via banking records. You could argue that you've got a PAYG sim that is only ever topped up in cash and you never have switched on in the car (easy to link to your registration plate via ACPO's NPR), but even for a cash paid SIM the network records would still probably identify your home and work locations easily enough, and then they know who you are, and where and when you've journeyed on TfL.
Rather than being anonymous, you're making snooping more difficult, and maybe that's sufficient.
Re: And while I'm on a rant...
No - to confuse matters more, bonking will give you the Oyster pay-as-you-go fares, but without the daily cap (since they don't know who you are, they just see a bunch of independent transactions).
They don't know who I am? Seems a bit last-century if they can't spot that I've used my ticket before on the same day using the same card, given that they're going to manage to get all my transaction and journey details onto one statement.
"I'm not familiar with the speed of Oyster"
About 0.2-0.3 seconds on the tube for the card to be acknowledged and read. Just enough to be noticeable, and very marginally irritating if you're feeling intolerant, although an experienced user will judge their pace so as not to have to pause mid stride. It's probably faster than the circa half a second for the magnetic strip tickets.
Re: Sometimes I wonder
But who has time to look?
It is a very minor skill to anticipate that you'll have about half a second to see this as you go through. But if I can manage this with my near-dyspraxia and poor eyesight, the vast majority of people should have no problem.
How can i keep track of my journey and get refunds?
Don't know for the Paypass, but certainly the Oyster online system enables you to see where and when you've been, how much you were charged, where and when you've loaded the card. It's almost spooky to see it show times to the minute for the start and end of your journey, the stations you travelled to. Particularly spooky if you're off on a jolly during work time, or going for an interview....
How can i keep track of my journey and get refunds?
I'd guess that the Paypass system will show a journey record for each payment along the lines of Oyster on line, like this, from my Oyster online account:
Monday, 10 December 2012 09:08 - 09:36 Marylebone [London Underground] to Monument £2.00
Other than the security concerns about wafting your credit card around in close proximity to the unwashed masses, I can't see why this won't actually work very well. On the underground though, will the pay by bonk fares be the same as Oyster prepay, or will they be the extortionate cash single fares?
Refunds will presumably work in the same way as Oyster as well.
Re: Fascinating but..... (@Spearchucker Jones
Having a go at Nazis or Hitler doesn't bother me. The fact that innocent people get killed along the way does.
How naieve. When has war ever been some polite, military only sporting event? The whole fucking point is to attack the "enemy" population and its economy. Killing the enemies troops serves no function other than enabling you to then attack their homeland. Your own military are merely the means of doing that, their military are their defence.
And why are conscripts in uniform (by your implication) a legitimate target? Whereas women working in a munitions factory, or producing food for the war effort, again by presumption they're "innocent civilians"?
Re: Fascinating but.....@madra
Actually, Churchill instigated the carpet-bombing of civilians during WW2
You really know jack shit about this don't you? Try searching on the term "Guernica" to see who pioneered the bombing of civilians using relatively modern heavy bombers. Or, before that, the use of Zeppelins in World War 1, again by those fine German chappies. Even in WW2, Churchill only ordered raids on Berlin on 25 August 1940 after the Luftwaffe bombed civilian areas of London the day before.
But don't let that get in the way of your bitter post imperial anger.
Re: We were mislead by the authorities!
(Big blast icon to indicate what would actually have happened as a result of a direct hit on the gasometer...),
Not at all. The gas/air mix wouldn't be suitable for an explosion. For proof you might want to investigate the heroes of the IRA, who made a couple of largely futile attacks against gas holders, for example in Warrington. Having failed in that they hid bombs in litter bins in Warrington town centre and killed a couple of children.
Re: I like this
"The delay bolsters my feeling that these people are serious about putting a proper value on the stocks, not just hype them up and rake in the profit."
Then you're daft. The whole point of an IPO is to raise as much money for the company (and particularly it's advisers) as possible. If you're right, and I'm wrong, then lead underwriters Goldman, Credit Suisse, and Merrill have cut the price as an act of charity to the sort of people who buy into IPO's like this (Facebook, anyone?).
If I'm right (and you're wrong) then they simply couldn't shift the stock at the mooted $15 to the major institutions, and had to back down on both price and volume.
So, your call. Wall Street: publicly spirited eco do-gooders, or rapacious thieves?
Re: Data Allowance?
"In that case, the answer to the question of 'what does a mobile network actually offer?' is presumably 'a mobile network'."
And a phone on the never never, even if the peasants think it is "free".
Top of my son's christmas present list, I guess they still have something going
Not at all. Your son's savvy, he wants one of the last Blackberry's, and in a few years time it'll pay for his University fees. "Go on Grandad, tell us again how hoodies organised riots with those funny Blackberry things...."
Re: Microsoft's new hotshot marketing brainwave - Astrotheiving
You don't fool Eadon Microsoft!
Eadon Microsoft? It's an odd name, but it could explain a lot.
Couldn't you change it by deed poll (or whatever the local equivalent is where you're posting from)?
In case you'd forgotten, capitalism isn't big on ethics. Look around.
That's true, but what's unethical about complying with the law to legally minimise your tax exposure? That might be against the supposed spirit of the law, but it would be no different from the many MP's who made (and continue to make) ludicrous expenses claims "because they are within the rules". Or the many MP's who undertake significant personal work commitments outside of Parliament because there's no rule that says being an MP should be a full time job (just a full time salary, full time pension, and full time pay-off if you're careless enough to not be elected next time round).
Be assured that the situation can be made worse, and the government are on that case far more so than business. The draft Finance Bill for 2013 is over a thousand pages long. How many MP's do you think have read any of it? It'll be the usual misbegotten, poorly drafted legalistic twaddle, create new loopholes, exemptions and contradictions, and the very length of it tells you that it has had no proper scrutiny and that it will be too complex.
Some people never learn. Unfortunately many of them are called MP's.
Re: Well done!
"I'd like to applaud North Korea's technical achievement"
I wouldn't. Given that they're repressing a country of 25 million people, I'd want something better than this to applaud the techncial achievement. For crying out loud, the Reg SPB put a paper aircraft into space, and how many people are they repressing and starving? Just a few sub editors who probably deserve it, I'd guess.
It's an odd way of asking for help.
Arguably it's no different to attention seeking behaviour from a child. Iran exhibits the same tendencies, as did Libya for some years (Venezuela's trying hard as well). Sometimes it is for aid, but more commonly its a misguided presumption that the US doesn't take them as seriously they deserve, a bit like a hoody picking a fight for being "disrespected".
In the UK we accept that (even as fifth/sixth largest economy on Earth) we are the Yank's poodle, and treated as such. But the Norks and the Iranians seem to entertain a rather amusing idea that they deserve a seat at the top table, and when they don't get that they start throwing the toys out of the pram.
Re: "Kwangmyongsong"?@ theodore
My favourite too. But for such a small selection to include so many gems, it makes you wonder what other stuff the Norks have got at home that didn't get included. Maybe they're like the French, and keep the good stuff for themselves?
Re: I don't want a smart TV.
"Why on earth they don't have a similar arrangement to the CAM sockets whereby you can just plug a "computer" into the TV to generate the image I don't know. ...and I'm talking a simple recessed area on the back, maybe with a cover or some such."
Because there's no chance of such standardisation amongst the PC makers. But any decent TV will have a fistful of SCART, HDMI and D Sub inputs. Get a docking station for your laptop, link to the TV and you're done. Somebody earlier commented on the low res of TV's as monitors, but at normal viewing distances this doesn't really apply, and even using the D Sub output from a six year old laptop I got a very clear display on a 40 inch screen, so that you could read small text sitting ten feet away on the sofa.
Don't forget the top quality motivational slogans that power North Korea:
Re: Why hasn't the US "brought democracy" to NK yet?
NK has achieved full and complete control over food, water, energy. It will not fall unless pushed or it goes out of its shell and thus opens itself up to "external corruption".
Cobblers. The USSR collapsed because it spent too much on consumption rather than investment (specifically arms and misdirected central planning) and its economy collapsed. Ample resources of energy and water, and a big military didn't help one jot. To an extent Europe and US are perilously close to a similar economic event horizon, where money wasted on unproductive spending causes the economy to collapse. Examples of unproductive spending are excessive welfare spending (Europe), unaffordable social and environmental "obligations" (Europe), endless health spending (now both blocs), imperial militarism (the US), and for both blocs again, bad bank lending that has destroyed billions by funding speculative bubbles in property and leveraged commercial lending.
Coming back to North Korea, not only are they destroying their own economy by spending on militarism and central planning, but they don't have sufficient domestic resources of energy or food, and are dependant upon imports that they can't pay for (hence the sabre rattling). The population are starving and repressed, which certainly could go on for some years, but will fall over sooner or later without any external help. Putting the spotty twerp in charge is most unlikely to prolong matters.
Re: But can you then choose the jurisdiction for a trial?
But if you lose then you keep appealing until you get to an EU court.
Re: But for one reason or another...
They are especially pissed-off that English has become the world's lingua franca, and will refuse any thing being done only in English on a matter of pure reflex.
Then we must fight back. Get the OED to eliminate the term "lingua franca", and replace it with "lingua angla" or something equally silly. And while we're at it, we could paint "AAA" on the white cliffs of Dover in letters two hundred feet high.*
* Better use water colour in preparation for being stripped of our rating next year, mind you.
Re: If they won't pay tax, maybe they should pay for infrastructure
"No, actually. National Insurance is protection from sickness, unemployment and old age."
Cobblers. If they did proper accounting then the huge unfunded liabilities of the National Insurance Fund would have it shut down. At present it operates at a supposed surplus, but that's because so many benefits aren't actually funded from the NIF, but come out Government's main cash hemorrage pit, the Consolidated Fund. And the big clue to all this is the government borrow around £120 billion a year.
NI is a tax, same as any other. It all sloshes into the governments hands, they then waste and mis-spend it. Their lack of honesty and competence is the main reason that we still pretend that NI isn't tax, and that the NIF is somehow different to the Consolidated Fund.
Re: Hmm...@Chad H.
"It's a bit of stretch that noone would be employed in the UK construction industry, I doubt all building would just stop one day."
My point was that any industry that employes a workforce on low wages depends on implied subsidies like tax credits, council housing etc, and any industry that employes its workforce on low pay and intermittently (eg agriculture and construction) depend on the subsididy of welfare - otherwise the workforce starve. My language was certainly a degree of hyperbole, but I hardly think that deserves downvoting.
Re: Hmm...@Chad H.
"Amazon have a whole bunch of low paid warehouse workers in the uk ...Who's employment we're kinda subsidising through tax credits"
Available to everybody, so hardly Amazon's fault. If the building industry weren't able to rely on such subsidies (and the payment of welfare when there's no work) then nobody would be employed in the UK construction industry full stop. Moreover, tax credits are merely part of a deliberate plan to make the tax system progressive (ie higher earners pay higher tax rates).
Personally I don't think that progressive tax regimes deliver, and a simpler flat rate of 35% of all earnings over £10k would be easier to adminster, but that's not the view of politicians.
"I wonder how useful this database might be to our enemy in the next world war?"
None at all. Most government projects cost us peasants money, make our lives irritating in a myriad of new but tiny ways, but fail spectacularly to do what they say they will. On that basis a part-functioning DNA database would be of limited use.
No, the most useful thing to our enemies is the British government and their civil service.
Course we do!
It was that thing Dick Van Dyke sung about in Mary Poppins.
In a recent thread on Amazon, I had a look at what Amazon were paying, and what they were avoiding, and it appeared that Amazon pay about two thirds of the notionally "full" tax bill. In aggregate national terms, one third of tax liability is business rates, one third is corporation tax (the bit you can try and avoid), and one third is employer's NI. So if you can avoid most of your corporation tax, then you'd avoid roughly one third of the taxes you might otherwise incur.
Obviously the detail is a lot more complicated, but that's how it looks to pan out for Amazon with several thousand UK employees and UK distribution centres. Google and eBay I'd expect to be different because there's no physical delivery, and arguably they'd be proportionately worse in tax evasion (if following the transfer pricing tax avoidance model) than Starbucks or Amazon because these two can't avoid the payroll taxes or rates on its stores, whereas Google and eBay probably don't have much in the way of UK staff or premises.
Taking Google, they are reported as paying £6m of UK tax in 2011. According to their investor presentations they make 10% of global revenues in the UK, making total UK revenues around $3.7bn. Group pre tax margin is around 33%, so that implies UK taxable profit ought to have been around $1bn (after losing say $0.2 or 0.3bn for tax deductibles), and at prevailing tax rates that would have further implied a UK tax liability of $260m, say £170m. So by Google's standards, Starbuck and Amazon are tax saints (although only because they can't avoid the rates and payroll taxes).
IBM and HP do employ more people in the UK and will pay more NI, and more business rates, but they've been critcised for avoiding US taxes, so I'm sure they won't be paying any UK taxes they can avoid. Moreover they encourage their customers to offshore work, so avoiding all UK taxes, and removing jobs from the economy.
So in summary: It's a mess, it loses billions in tax revenues, and motivates all the wrong behaviours. Luckily David Cameron has a finger on the nation's pulse, and is turning his incisive, Sauron-esque attention to the matter of gay marriage.
Re: Why bother putting the relays on vehicles?
Good to see that the boffins spotted that high vehicles got in the way - I wonder how much that nugget of rocket science cost?
But in the unlikely scenario that the costs of this are less than the benefits, surely the obvious solution is surely to go under, not over, and bounce the radio signal off the road, using low mounted antennae?
Re: NOK is toast
Maybe Nokia are toast. But so will Huawei be if they are going to Finland to focus on UI's.
One of the biggest reasons Nokia are in this mess has been that they have systematically and repeatedly fluffed the user interface despite a competent underlying phone OS. On that basis Finland is the last place on Earth that I would choose for a centre to focus on this.
A bit like opting to locate a food technology centre in North Korea. Looking on the bright side, it's a few further years of employment for ex Nokia staff.
Re: What they SHOULD have done
Maybe that's what they did want, but in a form.
That bit about "planting images of a burning US flag" doesn't make for amateurs necessarily, nor even the coding errors. Post Stuxnet, I would guess that both spooks and serious cyber crims are mindful that they don't want the finger of blame pointing at them, and a reasonable way of doing that is the cyber equivalent of growing a beard. But who would waste time hacking into Aramco's network just to plant that image? After all a burning US flag is probably the screen saver for half of the Saudi employees.
Where I think you're missing the trick is that they probably did not want to drive the physical price down or up, as that requires a need to invest in real oil, including non-trivial stuff like having customers, delivery terminals, cash, and such like. I'd have thought the smart cyber crim wants to disrupt the futures market, having secured a short or long position which is inherently leveraged to the expected outcome. And that disruption might be attacking Aramco's network not for the SCADA, but simply to disrupt the trading business, even if only to take the Aramco traders offline for a few days. Throw in a bit of bad SCADA code appropriated from Stuxnet or elsewhere, and world plus dog thinks this is about physical shutdown.
And of course, if that is correct, then you'd need to consider the criminal speculators as the commissioners and potential beneficiaries of the attack, but the perps would likely be a separate bunch of technical guns for hire. Obviously this imples unconstrained crims, technical skills, and money laundering, and whilst I'm inclined to suggest RBS for some cheap laughs, one would guess either fomer USSR criminality, or a country under sanctions looking to raise some much needed cash outside the sanctions ring fence.
Re: A better solution...
Same here. After all the stuff El Reg has published I'm almost disappointed that it hasn't been a disaster (and that's using it as intended as a wireless router as well).
Admittedly the PSU does whistle, but only noticeable if you stick your head within a foot of the PSU (or perhaps if you're operating a slient PC in an anechoic chamber). Still far, far less noisy than the heads seeking on a 3.5 inch hard disk, or the whirr of the fans of a desktop.
Re: A well reasoned and written article
"Parliament to be summarily ignored by ministers and civil servants on Snoopers' Charter"
There, fixed it for you.
Re: "Sand is not silicon"
" the silicon is highly purified which I think probably dwarfs the raw material cost"
Undoubtedly true, but there's more. Even allowing for purification, I'd guess the end to end process costs including design, manufacturing plant, operations etc will all dwarf the purified material costs of either.
Re: US or Blighty
What's the difference? He'll end up in the US either way.
You reckon? If he comes back here they'll struggle to hold him, and he'll end up in the Ecuadorean embassy along with another unwanted guest.
Arguably that could be a good thing.
Re: Looks like the civil servants have been rumbled
"I have to agree with you; it's clear that this is not a party political agenda, but one that is being proposed / promoted by the civil servants "
Nothing new in policy being set by half wit civil servants. Energy policy remains the same mix of misguided, expensive tree hugging nonsense and shambolic chaos on proper generating assets under this lot like the last lot, even down to such cobblers as the forthcoming "Green Deal". Transport remains in the hands of numpties who persistently botch the award of rail franchises under all governments, and the nearest DfT have to a roads policy is wet dreams about introducing road pricing. The UK tax system remains a global embarassment under this and the last government. Education and health remain poorly organised money holes, drugs policy continues its epic fail, the wider criminal justice system achieves little other than to establish a sustainble ecosystem of crimes and crimefighters....
All this is possible because of the mediocrity of politicians. If only they would come up with manifestos that have one, perhaps two really big, important ideas, and a promise not to interfere in anything else, or pass any new laws.
You were on the right track, but then missed the turn:
Profit is a motive, but you don't think for one moment that the wifi or picocell connection is going to be gratis, do you? Maybe for the politicians and CEO's in fist class it will be, but for the rest of us peasants I'll wager a whole lot of money that we're talking about the sort of eye watering charges that you thought died out in the last century.
The airlines can't wait for the ban to go, I suspect. All they need to do is put in the picocell equivalent of a 14.4k modem (shared by all 300 passengers), lash up a pay to play wifi registration page, and arrange a premium rate on all voice calls (incoming and outgoing, just like international roaming works).
And the best thing of all for the airlines? That on longer flights passengers won't be in the jurisdiction of any telecoms regulator, and they can charge what they like.
Re: Definition of "technology"
"buying a fleet of 60 Airbus A320s, not something they will be doing on an ongoing basis I wouldn't have thought."
Normally they only need to import one example of a tech product....
Having said, that Airbus recognise this, and have established a local "final assembly" plant in Tinjin. Whether that's enough to stop very similar aircraft appearing from different, non-Airbus factories only time will tell.
Re: Not just technology
Start digging? More like keep digging, and keep your fingers crossed that China's infrastructure growth doesn't slow down. Otherwise it's curtains for the commodity markets, given the global capacity that's come on stream in recent years.
Re: That's a big pile of money
"Route it through a jurisdiction that doesn't ask many questions and doesn't provide much help to law enforcement and that's half the battle won. "
If the European banks weren't such crooked and incompetent arseholes themselves, then there would be a simple solution of blocking all electronic transactions to territories and banks that have lax security standards, poor laundering controls, or uncooperative law enforcement.
This is wishful thinking of course.
Re: Better bargain still...@SkippyBing
You misunderstand. The Graun does these things purely as research into the Wickedness Of CapitalismTM. Let's face it, its profits are so dismal that there's probably no tax to dodge.
Re: Get what you pay for
"Will the energy savings ever justify the cost of the bulb? Impossible to say as that will depend on the lifetime of the bulb."
I take the inference about the unknown lifetime, but if you've replaced a 50W halogen with a 5 or 6W LED, at a cost of a tenner, then you'll recover the capital cost in about 2200 hours of running, so that's well within the expected LED life, around 3 years at two hours a day (and about the same lifetime as a good quality halogen GU10).
In high occupancy areas like kitchens and living rooms you could get payback in half that. And with the government making a mess of energy policy in it's Canute like plans on climate change, electricity costs will increase by about 7% a year over the next few years, thus bring forward the payback on energy efficiency measures.
I suspect it's complexity and cost. If the user really needed more storage they can always put several disks into an array, but for a discrete desktop unit you want the fewest platters possible to keep costs down (and in a data centre, to reduce energy use as well).
Re: good enough
"Computers just don't need replacing any more"
Well, they do, but increasingly on the same sort of timescale as brown goods, so five to seven years, compared with eighteen months to three years previously. And in seven years time a smartphone will have better capabilities than a current midrange desktop or laptop, I'd guess.
Re: But what about muh socialism? @Jolyon Smith
"In constructing your argument for a fair amount of taxation on the actual profits, using the stated EBIT margin of the company, you seem to be wilfully ignoring the fact that it's only because of the sharp practices involved in re-structuring their income that results in the low EBIT margin in the first place !!
You are wrong. The tax a company pays is not based on the reported accounts of a company, it is derived from the computation returned to the HMRC, and that is based upon the thousands of pages of tax law, not GAAP (which is the basis of the audited report and published accounts).
The EBIT number is generally far more accurate measure of a company's underlying operating profitability than "the comp". I used the EBIT number as a credible proxy for what their taxable profits ought to be, and that works because the GAAP profit feeds into their cash flow statement where you can trace it through to dividends paid, which is where the money starts to become real for anybody outside the company.
So your starting presumption that GAAP accounts are fiddled to get the tax down is nonsense.
Another interesting observation on German cars is that the Vauxhall Insignia is designed and built in Germany, but as a general rule it does poorly in the UK consumer market, press testing consistently puts it behind the Mondeo, and most of them are bought by fleets where the buyer doesn't have to own or drive them. And the car does relatively poorly in owner surveys like JD Power.
Not all German engineering and mnufacturing is to the same standard.
Re: Standard iFixit drama
"What they first call "incredibly strong adhesive" turns out to be "double sided sticky tape.""
Good quality double sided tape IS incredibly strong when installed on a clean substrate. In fact, all that double sided tape amounts to is a thin layer of a adhesive. Given that we're dealing here with fragile components that aren't amenable to being flexed very much, this may be a convenient manufacturing solution, but it isn't a service solution, and that reflects very poorly on Apple's "design for manufacturing" staff.
Presumably the engineering budget has been cut in order to increase the legal budget.
Re: My experience@James Hughes 1
"LED's GU10 are a bit crap - not really bright enough for the kitchen, so really should buy more expensive ones with higher light output - open to recommendations"
Try the dimmable £10 Tesco LED GU10's - equivalent to 35W, and quite well made as far as I can see. I replaced the bathroom 50W halogen triples with these, and nobody else in the house has noticed, although I know the light output is a little bit down from doing "with and without" comparisons. You may want to avoid the Tesco non-dimmable, because the light output is 20% less, although so is the price.
If you're using them as quasi-flood lighting rather than spot, you could follow my approach and use a pan scourer to gently frost the lens, that usefully widens the beam (how's that for shed-tech?).