76 posts • joined 12 May 2012
Re: Desidero DeLuDeD Meanwhile...
Easily confused? It's 4 pages of ravings over Assange & then Snowden pops up. Never mind.
Snowden on the other hand did everyone a favor - at least there are Congressional reviews now, whereas before the CIA & NSA kept stonewalling Congressional oversight.
Re: Desidero Does the court case matter?
Cause the US does such a bangup job of middle-of-the-night renditions and black hole prisons, something they did whisking a couple blokes out of Sweden in 2001 - hasn't this been repeated over and over?
Re: DeLuDeD Meanwhile...
He's an Australian citizen - how can leaking US secrets be traitorous to Australia? how is it illegal when he's not in the US and not subject to US law?
Re: Obscurity is his biggest threat
Note the followup where Miss B said it was all consensual. It's useless for me to keep writing facts when folks would rather trade in stale innuendo. We know the basics of the story, there's no there there.
It would have been very simple for the prosecutor to get on a plane and interview him in England because setting a precedent of "guy who leaks info on the US worried about being stuffed in a CIA rendition plane" isn't exactly a huge set of cases. And typically for human rights cases, these are exactly the types of conditions that humane governments are supposed to protect from, not hide under bureaucratic process of "wir müssen Ordnung haben" when it's exactly that order that's Orwellian. What'd we get instead? More US spying on national leaders and huge dragnet of EU information.
Re: Obscurity is his biggest threat
For frak's sake, *CONSENSUAL*. The first one the only question was whether Assange tore his condom on purpose - a rather unusual fetish one surmises - the sex was consensual, aside from her claiming it was going too fast & she was uncomfortable (but let's just get it over with?), and then he stayed in her flat a week longer.
The second one had sex with a condom with him *willingly* and then it's the question whether he later entered her while sleeping without a condom.
(You'd think with Assange's animal magnetism, penchant for 1-night-stands and apparent aversion to condoms that it'd be easy to find a flock of pretty young things around the world who'd been demeaned & bullied by him into unprotected sex - but I haven't seen such a revelation - score 1 for the defense).
Of course Miss B apparently is so concerned about disease in 2 1/2 years she never had sex with her ex without a condom, but oddly is not so concerned about stalking a famous stranger and going to bed with him at first chance (has someone clued her in on efficacy of condoms, me hopes?)
The broken condom that Miss A gave police surprisingly has no Assange DNA on it -
Continuing, "That she has published on the internet a guide on how to get revenge on cheating boyfriends ever graver. The exact content of Wilén’s mobile phone texts is not yet known but their bragging and exculpatory character has been confirmed by Swedish prosecutors. Niether Wilen’s nor Ardin’s texts complain of rape."
How about Miss B (Wilen)? "However, his second accuser, now 29, who claimed to have been raped in her sleep by Assange, apparently told police she had not been opposed to having unprotected sex with him despite previous statements to the contrary, the daily reported."
There you have it - clear as mud - that awful Assange and those women who just can't keep their stories up. Occam's Razor says go for the simplest explanation - paying 2 gals to coordinate an exploding condom/disappearing condom story is simpler than getting knocking Assange out of the public eye by discrediting his actual revelations.
Re: Does the court case matter?
"but I've seen nothing to suggest that he won't get a fair trial in Sweden"
Please... as 1 of many examples:
"Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad al-Zery, two Egyptians who had been seeking asylum in Sweden, were arrested by Swedish police in December 2001. They were taken to Bromma airport in Stockholm, had their clothes cut from their bodies, suppositories inserted in their anuses and in diapers, overall, handcuffs and chains put on an executive jet with American registration N379P with a crew of masked men. They were flown to Egypt, where they were imprisoned, beaten, and tortured according to reports by Swedish investigative programme "Kalla fakta" The Swedish ambassador visited them only six weeks later. Agiza was previously charged and sentenced in absentia with being an Islamic militant and was sentenced to 25 years, a sentence that was reduced to 15 years due to the political pressure after the Rendition became known. Al-Zery wasn't charged, and after two years in jail without ever seeing a judge or prosecutor he was sent to his village in Egypt. In 2008 AL Zery was awarded $500,000 in damages by the Swedish government for the wrongful treatment he received in Sweden and the subsequent torture in Egypt."
Re: He needs the attention, but still...
Wikileaks never used the "let's throw it all on the street" method - they vetted through media outlets, and set the standard for responsibility. Where things did fall apart was when some asshat at the Guardian published what he thought was an old unused password which surprise turned out to still work on various archives (didn't he know things are eternal on the internetz?) - and being an asshat, he continued to blame Assange, even though Assange likely deserves some blame for not anticipating asshats.
Anyway, working off of standard US government slander after all this time? Not cool - facts are fairly easy to check - just use teh Google.
Re: Does the court case matter?
Come on, it's been years - just look up details of what's known to have happened:
Woman A was supposed to leave him her apartment, but returned early to sleep with him, and said she thinks he broke his condom on purpose.
Woman B was infatuated with him and tracked him like a groupie, and it sounds like the evening sex was with condom, the morning sex without.
As a slightly important aside, the chance of a heterosexual non-IV drug user having HIV is rather tiny. But that will start another Reg blowup.
Re: Logic fail
"the alleged victims deserve that much" - for what? being groupies? it's fine for 15 minutes of fame in "Almost Famous" / Cameron Crowe films, or a bit of fun Vanilla Fudge/Led Zeppelin red snapper perversion, but unless Assange actually pulled a Mike Tyson or Phil Spector on the lasses, really, this "he tricked me into having unprotected sex" or "the condom broke, maybe on purpose" bit is pathetic. Really, there is a helluva lot of rape and abuse that goes on in this world that should be punished, and this bullshit makes a mockery of it. Most self-respecting police departments would have closed this book quick and got on with real crimes.
Re: Obscurity is his biggest threat
I'm sure if the US could have slipped a sex scandal into Snowden they would have been happy to.
As it was, the best they could do was "he leaked secrets to the Chinese", being a rather liberal interpretation of "he gave docs to the Hong Kong news media".
Of course Assange made Wikileaks about himself by... lessee, by having private consensual sexual encounters? (I guess he carries as much responsibility as Bill Clinton in that regards - God knows he's a critically important politician and an inspiration/bad example for children). Oh, then having a public tiff with Domscheit-Berg, the purer Wikileaks member who split off from the org and went on to do great... errr, nothings? Or was it Assange making the US block all its credit card payments? Yeah, the dude just brought it all on himself - I guess he should have just waltzed to Gitmo or Quantico to get the Bradley Manning take-it-like-a-man-now-girl treatment.
As someone else here noted, yes, shooting the messenger - the US government and military is filled with egotistical bastards like Petraeus who "trained" the Iraqi & Afghanistan police to great acclaim only to discover they're completely worthless and desert at first chance. Yeah, he got his sex scandal too, fortunately for Obama. Stanley McChrystal? resigned, having egotistically insulted the Commander-in-Chief to a reporter. Raymond Davis, CIA agent who assassinated 2 Pakistanis in broad daylight - whisked back to the US. Outsourced Halliburton policy led by Dick Cheney himself which led to the gunship atrocities Wikileaks reported. (and that nice extrajudicial drone killing, and those nice Abu Ghraib pyramids, and the recent US rape-and-sodomy-and-murder pictures withheld for 7 or 8 years. But Assange is the only ego here to complain about...)
Re: Why would two years in a London embassy affect his health?
Clueless question #1 - uh, he doesn't get any light, and he can hardly walk more than 100 meters or get any reasonable exercise, plus humans suffer psychological issues through confinement that can affect their physical health as well.
Of course it's based on the facts - 1 of the girls looks specifically to be a setup who then disappeared, the other one possibly or else a clueless groupie. Colluding on the facts after-the-deed/OMG she-slept-with-him-too to go running to the police with? over what, an exploding condom? wow, that's a charge worth incarcerating 2+ years for. 2 consensual encounters and the police are going to find anything to charge on a he-said-she-said overnight in a bedroom when she fixed him a nice public brekkie in the morning, then went & complained to the bobbies? only in Sweden, though not the beloved "I am Curious Yellow" Sweden back in the 60's.
As much as the US's FBI has been known to set up unwitting clueless "terrorists" by supplying them all the materials, and assorted other nasty tricks towards non-Americans beyond the Constitution, the people here largely seem to think the Yanks wouldn't have set up Assange with a couple of tarts.
(we did of course launch a whole war or 2 under false pretenses - why would lying about Assange slow us down any?)
Of course the rape charges knocked Assange off his roost - the threat of whisking off to the US made it doubtful he could respond but was just gravy. (the double whammy is often employed to better effect - such as when Clinton had a political requirement he not assert his constitutional right - damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
More worrisome is simply that the people bitching here don't much care for the negative affects of the government's manipulation & deceit that's only grown steadily in the last 10 years. Instead, Assange and Snowden are the only egotists, despite the overwhelming bloviating from the PM's seat on down (or that Nobel Prize winner in the White House....)
And please note, it's very doubtful the Ecuadorian government is going to piss off the Brits by sneaking Assange out - it has to be done overtly.
Had to roll before they made it run. Presumably all down the line.
Re: A shame
Well, we know "judgmental tomorrow" is a bit late.
Back in the day, Lowell George, an aspiring musician, managed to cap himself off with an 8-ball without having a smack whore in tow. These days we're less self-sufficient.
Re: Did he code?
Upvoted just because someone had to - classism and the inevitable link to "shot up a john in Reno/boatyard, just to watch him die"
Hmmm... seems The Reg pulled a brunette picture of Lohan rather than one of her many blonde layouts (her Marilyn cover, anyone?), and the readers are confused. Of course if they'd have read the article - a high hurdle, I admit - they'd have noted the game authors leaked her name and activities as a side mission - with the subtle disclaimer "-like".
Presumably if she loses, anyone can make a game based on anyone - "I just thought it was funny how Obama acted as president, so I made a trilogy of game action play around him"; "I was making fun of Chuck Norris, so I created a series of 30 satirical martial arts games with coinciding books, videos and microwave recipes"
Meanwhile I expect TheReg to fess up and admit the Lohan navigation mission isn't exactly fair use policy, but is instead a papparazzi-ladened view of Lohan when all spaced out - hardly a rare occurrence. By my calculations, you owe her roughly a Googleplex worth of Likes, and probably some compensation for likening her to Helium Head.
BTW - Lohan's a pretty good actress - knows how to hold an audience. As for her personal life, her business - not the first person to crash & burn.
Re: Tilte issues
I figured it was High Data Performance Analysis. Like many boffins, your data is often seen to have a spleef or 2 at lunch, come back a bit lethargic, and fall asleep by mid-afternoon. That'd be bad news, but at 3am, it's out at rave parties picking up trends and sexy correlations, and carrying on in ways you and I haven't in decades. Overall, the good outweighs the bad.
Yeah, just like Howard Hughes and Jimmy Page, I want hotels to remember who I am.
When I show up incommunicado except for my full head cockpit display and a blinking light showing latest Salesforce stock price, I'll finally get the respect and attention I deserve.
Think of it as a portable Cone of Silence that's the other wearable end to a shoe phone.
Well-hung porn stars are occasionally butchered if it's a snuff film.
I'm still trying to get my head (the one on shoulders) around "extra-martial affairs". If it were a well-hung extra-martian affair, we'd have an intergalactic incident on our hands.
Perhaps if the issue of Vel Hogan comes back up....?
More interested in what the finger work did for the lass.
Re: ARMed Cows
I do believe in fairies, I do, I do...
Cow-tipping only stopped due to regulation and prohibition - probably your dad-in-law was brought up after the dark period of repression began - in the old days there was a regular cottage industry built up around it. For some time, cows would even tip themselves just as they have to get rid of excess milk, but after a few generations they seem to have weaned themselves off of it.
Do Androids salivate over electronic nanofabric steak? Moo Moo.
Re: Recognise it or not, its the reality on the ground!
If it's a "fact" that they were discriminated against, please explain how - what were those awful discriminations?
Were they told to stop speaking German, as the Habsburg ruling class had suppressed the Czech language? Or did Germanic Czechs simply have trouble not being the master class for 20 years when they had been for 400, and had to suddenly start hiring Czechs?
I imagine in the same year the SA carried out Kristallnacht, Germany was able to invent some "atrocities" in Sudetenland to avenge. Despite the Czechoslovak government accomodating Sudetens after initial problems in 1919, by 1935 much of Sudetenland had effectively become Nazi, with Heinlein & the SdP carrying on Hitler's programs and methods in that territory with secret ties to Germany (despite significant opposition to Heinlein from more liberal Germans - but they were outvoted - imagine, those repressive Czechs/Slovaks letting Sudetens vote and share power and have much regional autonomy).
Re: Recognise it or not, its the reality on the ground!
Oh yes, the Czechs had so discriminated against Germans by... uh... harrumph.... not bailing them out of the depression! (Sudetens trading with Germany to the west had obviously suffered more when trade went tits up - but things turned rosy in 1938, you betcha).
Germans having 24% of the Czechslovak population should have been granted self-determination - so they could have been voted by the majority back into Czechoslovakia. As guest workers under some old Czech/Böhmische king, these Germans had come to be rather ungrateful - one even ran off to St. Louis to start making a diluted form of Czech beer with fermented rice in it, while claiming he owned the name.
Note the final straw that made the Germans invade Sudetenland (and then since they had poor brakes, keep marching into Prag and Slovakia): the League gave Upper Silesia to Poland! Naturally Hitler was incensed, and if only his Apple maps had functioned properly, he would have invaded the right country. He corrected that in Blitzkrieg 2.0 by partnering with Stalin to do a geographical mashup / splitsies down the Vistula.
Next week we explain how Mexico discriminated against Texans, and why the Alamo was justified.
Re: Windows 8.1?
Well, duh - they've been through PR disasters before, such as Vista - you think they should sit around and do nothing to respond to user complaints? Yes, the $100 is a pretty cheap "take a 2nd look" bribe - why not?
Microsoft was pretty hot on the upcoming update to 8.1 announced at MobileWorldCongress - while the execution of Win8 was all Ballmered up, in the end I'm still interested to see corrections and new features.
O freddled gruntbuggly thy micturations are to me
As plured gabbleblochits on a lurgid bee.
Groop, I implore thee my foonting turlingdromes...
mixed Mongolian/Russian/English cadence with a bit of Altai throat singing thrown in to boot. Banned in Mongolia, big in Europe.
From the various reports, the written password was to 1 file - whether that file was important we don't know, but they seem to have used that as 1 of their loopholes to claim Miranda irresponsible with confidential material. (not that the US & UK "intelligence" services were any more responsible with same info)
Whither the Russians?
Presumably by this "medical" analysis, the Russians couldn't have shot straight enough to drive the Germans back thousands of miles from Stalingrad, Moscow, et al. Bond is exceptional, much like Chuck Norris, not Charles Bukowski in a tux. I've known people who could drink all night, take an hour nap, and be at peak form. Not for amateurs.
As Firedog goes, so goes the nation...
as Firedoglake notes, WaPo's original piece noted the assuring line that they wouldn't arrest Assange now, but "might be in 6 months". How reassuring. Fortunately they memory-holed that tell, and went with a completely fuzzy ambiguous "maybe it's over maybe it's not it's so tuff how could we know?" framing.
One might wonder that if busting Wikileaks means busting the NY Times that maybe indeed Wikileaks was acting as a news organization (seems they got better bang-for-buck in the Arab spring than our overthrowing Libya), but then we'd have to consider other issues like whether The Reg violated the Official Secrets Act (I saw your PGP offer) and who knows where that would lead... no more punny jokes about ladies' naughty coverings plus quadruple-sexual-entendres and more sticking to staid technical issues...
Wikileaks also reminds that the kerfluffle over their activities also involved intimidating PayPal, Visa, et al. After 3 years and Snowden's revelations, perhaps the side effects were more the intent than actually getting hold of some Aussie in a Swedish brothel/Ecuadorian embassy. Hardly a complaint about bugging AP reporters' phones en masse, or throwing that NY Times guy in jail. We've all got that security state spirit these days, even as we forget whatever 9/11 & the Tube bombing were about.
Re: ASSANGE: 'I'm fond of the truth but only when it's the truth I approve of."
Is it really hard to figure out that personal privacy and government transparency are 2 sides of the same coin?
Of course Assange likes privacy, for himself and Wikileaks - neither of them are governments, and aside from any question of breaking laws, neither is in the public interest.
Nevertheless, privacy of soldiers or government contractors to kill civilians isn't the right to privacy covered in the Constitution, nor is the privacy for heads-of-state to siphon off billions to offshore bank accounts.
Oh my Lord, this case is so old even the posters who understand what it's about are all on pension and age-eligible for the Supreme Court.
Had to commend you on the title. A virtual beer on me, if only I hadn't forgotten my virtual wallet.
Re: Content you create but don't own
No warning? Rupert Murdoch told me he personally hacked your phone to leave you an iCal update.
Re: I'm sorry, it was me.
The nerve of this freak - obviously it was *me*, and I meant to send it to "The Reg" meaning Regis Philben & not some blighty lunatic farm for the techno obsessed.
I realized when you posted your PCP code. Mine is "24ll1tss1sdrwkcab3fil2r3wsna3ht", though if you're concerned I can double encrypt for best security using ROT13
Really, turn off the nitrous, it's making you dizzy.
I'll include the link once again to see if you can click and read:
In short, Office 365 and Office 2013 appear to be doing just fine.
Bing is now the 2nd largest search engine even though still losing money
Azure is gaining traction, especially with the addition of LInux services.
Re: SQL Server, I'm sure it ticks you off that Honda became a success because of its price - laughed all the way to the bank.
Sharepoint may be a "joke" in your eyes, but it's heavily used.
I hardly think the only reason for Windows 7 success was Office.
And oops, I left out Xbox, which at one point beat the 2 competitors 18 months in a row.
Your Microsoft hatred certainly has the better of you.
Maybe you want to tear your shirt and lament the lack of Linux success on the desktop....
While MS isn't the fastest actor on the market, you can note their successes:
- Office (especially but not only Excel)
- MS SQL server (has most of the low-end business market
- Azure seems to be gaining a footing, finally
- Sharepoint has major enterprise usage
(Bing has 16.5% market share now, its all-time high, though they've dumped huge amounts of money into this)
So no, MS not a "one-hit wonder", as you can see from rising profits:
Re: Good news
I thought the Stacker suit was settled ages ago.
Think about it? This is the internetz - we just have to respond viscerally. Grrrrr, meow-ow-ow.... woof & a hee-haw to you.
Re: Sanctions, nuclear enrichment, background to story
I condemn the act of stealing, but likely a good chunk of computers showing up in Iran are just used, just as there's a fairly big market for legal used German cars in East Europe along with stolen ones. And it's easier to track stolen cars than computers.
Since we haven't a clue where these people bought the computer, all the assumptions that they simply had to have known it was stolen is simply shite.
And yes, there may be new Macs sold, and it may be that as sanctions tighten and the currency devalues, most people can't or won't afford a new machine. (I didn't find exact figures on RadanMac, but when they quote "installed 4000 machines myself" from the owner over 15 years, doesn't sound like business is that big.
"In recent months, Afghah said, Apple Iran has seen sales decline because of tough new sanctions imposed by the U.S. and its allies against Iran's financial sector. The new measures have caused Iran's currency, the rial, to plummet and made international payments from Iranian banks much more complex.
The company relies on a steady stream of creative individuals - including musicians, film editors and photographers - to keep its business going.
The focus of the sanctions has been on Iran's banks and oil industry, Iranian individuals and companies that Western capitals believe are assisting what they suspect is Tehran's drive towards a nuclear weapons capability.
But U.S. consumer products and computer equipment are another matter. Although they are banned, enterprising Iranian merchants continue to source them through underground trade routes in the Middle East and beyond.
Once considered rare and sought-after, iPhones and iPads are now de rigueur in Iran among those who can afford them. The epicenter of the trade is Tehran's largest technology mall, the bustling Capital Computer Complex, where more than 350 traders supply products for Iran's increasingly tech-savvy population.
One of RadanMac's competitors is a smaller firm called Apple Iran. Its website is a nearly exact replica of Apple's own, except for the Persian language and a disclaimer: "This website is not in anyway affiliated with Apple Inc." Apple has been attempting to shut it down, according to a person familiar with the matter."
Re: Sanctions, nuclear enrichment, background to story
You've got no effing clue what it takes to buy a Mac of any sort in Iran under our sanctions, so grow up, realize there are other countries with different political & economic systems, and perhaps take some responsibility for what your government does in its day-to-day idiocy that affects others much more than you. Then maybe come back and be a bit judgemental
PS - Iraq called - they want their blasted apart infrastructure back
PPS - Iran might have had a democracy by now if it hadn't been George Bush's Axis of Evil driving them further from the EU and greater openness. Blair the Poodle less involved in that travesty. But yes, it has somethng to do with this story, as oil-rich Iran should have an Apple store in Tehran, and not a flighty bunch of stalls to buy gear out of. Okay, to be fair - Khomeinei & Shah equally to blame, but then we put the Shah in power, didn't we? Bad business, all of it. Now shop, bitchez, and quit your bitching. The owner's not whinging, just the rest of you sad lot.
Sanctions, nuclear enrichment, background to story
As Ahmadinejad prepares to leave office, perhaps a few can read the background to US/UK sanctions on Iran and hope that our typical over-the-top meddling that affects the average person will decline, just as I hope they get someone less irascible and monkey-like than Ahmadinejad, who kind of like Kruschev is not as bad as his boorish activity in front of the camera makes you think. (In fact, Kruschev was one of the great under-appreciated leaders of all time - Ahmedinejad not so much but still not satan)
Meanwhile, common folk suffer from our globetrotting & unilateral actions.
Re: Wow - quicker than you can say "judgemental"
As there are sanctions on Iran - sanctions we put there - there's no reason to think the people bought this for cheap. Even in a market selling new & used goods.
We're not in Kansas no more, Toto - Kansas' lily white rules no longer apply in much of the real world, though in the safety of the US/UK we often don't get to see the rough and tumble others live with.
But as the US/UK have caused this family and similar untold costs and hardships, are we sure the reason for our sanctions are correct? Or is our black-and-white world a bit 1950's? Through our Windows darkly...
Dick Cheney's company regularly supplied Iran with parts illegally (for an American breaking sanctions, not Iranian) through backdoor channels - he didn't end up in jail, did he?
Yes, the US and EU have put sanctions on against the Iranian government, because the Iranians are refining 20% uranium, which someday could somehow turn into 90% weapons grade if they get it down.
So they bought it in a black market stall where all the illegal, stolen and grey channel goods come. How bad of them.
Almost as bad as the US/UK invading Iraq on trumped up charges, or the US/UK overthrowing Iran's democratically elected leader Mossadegh in the 1950's, to put in a more compliant Shah.
Got any more tsk tsk tsking to do?
Re: They bought a stolen laptop.
To correct my own bit here -
The US has an embargo on Iran - it's not Iran's restrictions - so Apple, a US company, can't export to Iran.
Apple is even restricting sales in the US to Iranian Americans:
As usual, when you ban something like guns or likker, they end up coming to you through other less controlled channels, such as any old stall in Persian market. Since that's how an Iranian gets new Macs and stolen Macs, it's not to be expected they differentiate. Blame Washington, UK and the EU - this family has nothing to do with Ahmadinejad, Iran's processing of uranium, the invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan/support of Hussein against Iraq, or the CIA/M5/British Petrol overthrow of Mossadegh. But coming from a seemingly well-to-do Iranian family now with an on-board calculator, they can probably tell the West the difference between 20% refined uranium and 90% weapons-grade (90-20=70%). Perhaps this will bring peace in our time.
Re: They bought a stolen laptop.
Amazing - people seem to not understand that Iran has a repressive government, and import/purchase of these devices is not allowed.
So getting a Macbook or iPad is already going to be an illegal act, unlike in the free world.
Should the purchasers consider whether their sources are dodgy? Of course they're dodgy - they're smuggling banned goods. Whether those goods have been stolen, or bought and transported is a question, but not one that Iranians living under a police-ish state are going to spend milliseconds on.
Fortunately, the owner of the laptop realized this and did the right thing, even though yes, his goods are gone.
Next week - "aid recipients in Botswana should return millions from bank that fleeced customers"
Re: it's simple
@obnoxiousGIt - my reply was intended for Dave Dowell further up - I would never stoop so low as to interfere with your obnoxious Gitliness. In this case, it's less a Fail Beer than a Fallen Beer, which fortunately for this one can still get up. But unlike speed of light, there is no natural limit for Fail Beers, much less "1 too many" - 1 + infinity is still infinity.
I should make it clear that the US regularly says it will not abide by this or that agreement when it feels inclined. We had a guy in Pakistan wanted for murder - whisked him out of there. The US soldier who went postal on a village? Taken to the US. Contractors spraying cars with bullets? Helicopters firing on civilians? The whole reason for US leaving Iraq is they wouldn't give the US absolute immunity.
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