112 posts • joined 4 May 2012
Re: yeah but what about the jobs...?
Exactly, whilst perhaps the means of production may be irrelevant in a world where everything builds itself, someone still owns the raw materials. And those materials are not unlimited, so have cost and value. Which by extension makes the robots have intrinsic value. Which means someone will own them and want to sell them.
Re: yeah but what about the jobs...?
@dogged I think you've missed a stage here, this would be true if we immediately flipped to a system where all things we required were catered for (I still believe however there would be problems of ultimate finite supply, thus forcing scarcity and thus value and cost onto items, but that's another issue).
How do you propose we get to this utopia? Our traditional free-market economy is not going to support this transition all the way because people will be unemployed and thus non-players within the whole system before the companies that create your utopia machines can design them. they will automate themselves out of customers.
yeah but what about the jobs...?
interesting points well made Tim but you've missed a big trick: what happens when the everyone's jobs start to be automated away and no one can work anymore? Not only will everyone be bored they'll also have no money to earn and spend...and the robot companies will not have any further revenue and then we all end up with a collapsed economy. It's the main argument of Martin Ford's 'The LIghts in the Tunnel' and one which you fail to address in your piece. Ford strangely enough advocates an elaborate taxation and centrally planned governement payout scheme to ensure people still have money to spend in the economy.
Good luck to 'em but...
Probably get downvoted here but I'm not entirely convinced about Jolla. I actually had one since release late last year and really bought into the concept (i loved my n9 before, wanted something like that with a future along with an OS that didn't have a large Us corporation hoovering up everything I produced)
However, after three months I had to get rid. There were things about it I really liked - proper multitasking for one, but other things about it reminded me that it was a profoundly beta product and some ideas just didn't work that well. It definitely isn't the new N9 in my opinion.
Added to that is think Jolla customer service seems strangely quite arrogant for such a small firm (after several hardware and software issues and emails to their support desk, i had to wait a few days simply to get longwinded lists of what I could do to fix it...i appreciate I was an early adopter but I'm a customer, not a beta tester, just offer to take it in...), i think they have a lot more work to do.
Good luck to them though, it is nice to see a small firm challenging the other bigger players.
Re: Jollas day in the sun.
Have you actually ever used a Jolla phone? I bought into the hype...and sold it three months later. it's nowhere near ready for primetime. I would love to see it blossom but there are so many bugs, niggles and ui problems, coupled with the complete lack of public awareness I find it hard to believe that sailfish will ever anything but a curiosity.
If BB10 (which is far more stable, productive, user friendly and android compatible than sailfish) and WinPho 8.1 (which has Microsoft behind it) have trouble getting marketshare then there is your answer - Samsung and Sony aren't in the business of wasting money on other people's hobby projects. In fact Sony are rumoured to be testing WinPho xperias so there's another reason for them not to bother.
Well I don't think that it's likely there is anything outside our planet either, so we are in agreement there.
I'm more interested in your idea that evolution is in question...
Re: "Extraordinary claims" require "extraordinary evidence"...
Not sure who you're arguing against here, I was saying that AJ Macleod's allusion to evolution being not true and that we are somehow really, really special would require extraordinary evidence. With added speech marks for extra buzz-style punch
Calm down dear etc etc
"Extraordinary claims" require "extraordinary evidence"...
Why? As all professional gamblers know, if you keep betting on the same thing you will eventually win (although you may run out of cash before then). The universe has had endless chances to create something like us...and eventually it happened.
I think he is wrong to be certain about life elsewhere though...which paradoxically makes us special as well as inevitable and pretty ordinary (this is before you get into multiple universes etc).
On another note, I never tire of watching buzz aldrin punch Bart sibriel in the face.
it's fashionable to hate them and some might say they brought this on themselves but...
Good luck to them, I really love my Q10 and think BB10 is probably one of the most fluid and functional mobile OSes out there, and it runs android apps too, it really doesn't deserve such an undignified death.
In many ways BB10 is a kindred spirit to webOS...which is what worries me. It may happen to me all over again!
Falling costs anyone?
this is what i like about the Reg - no nonsense. however, at the risk of being downvoted out of existence, i think part of the predictions involve falling costs of chips/hardware etc. barcodes are on the cusp of being replaced by rfid tags (still waiting for that pricepoint to come, but it is coming). from there it isn't too hard to imagine the frisge being able to know what is in it...one decades waste of expensive equipment is another's disposable packaging.
The best bit:
"VC-funded gadget comic The Verge..."
Hahaha, this is why I come the Reg
Re: its just....
You are exactly right. I know someone who often posts stuff about how great the latest Apple campaign is (he works in marketing) and always posts something after an Apple product reveal. He is a big fan. He also sometimes posts about how Facebook is being innovative (no I don't don't get it either). He has bought shares in both companies.
Buying shares in large blue chip mega-companies because you have a personal attachment to them is the absolute last reason to invest in a stock. I suspect however that he is not the only one, so expect there to now be a flood of Apple fans coming in to buy shares that will probably not go anywhere for aaages...except eventually south.
Quality hardware...but where's the rest?
So sad to see...I agree that the media arm strangled Sony so much over the past few decades, forcing proprietary formats at every juncture. That's one problem.
The other problem is that at their heart Sony are a premium engineering company, their hardware is incredible...but other equipment is sadly 'good enough' now. iPhones are, comparatively, pretty poor media players (the a/d chips and other circuitry isn't really that good), compared to, for example, the X-Series Walkman I had a few years ago. by comparison, the iKit sounds abysmal. Thing is, no one cares anymore, it's all about overall value and software over simply good quality hardware and you can only really tell the quality in A-B tests. Hardly something to shift units (well it worked for me but I am, apparently, odd).
Oh well, I'll always have fond memories of the top-notch Walkman I saved up for as a teenager!
I agree, probably the best mobile OS out there right now - it runs android apps (almost) as if they were native to boot. Multi-tasking is very good, the hub is brilliant, messaging is the best i've used on almost any platform, bluetooth isn't the crippled 'only connect to audio devices and other phones by the same manufacturer via some voodoo proprietary protocol' variety...why do all the best OSes shuffle off to die? webOS never got the traction it deserved, Meego got binned (although it lives on as Sailfish...not quite as nice imho) and now BB10 could be jumping off the cliff.
I don't want to use iOS (locked down as hell, inflexible as hell, eveyone has a fucking iPhone, I have an iPad and it does my head in) and I don't want Android (messy UI between apps, is a data collection tool for creepy Google). WinPhone is alright but still almost as inflexible as iOS. I feel like I am cursed, perhaps I should buy an iphone and watch apple's stock slide.
Really nice to see even reg commentards taking Nokia's (really quite good imo) WinPhones to their hearts here...wasn't so long ago you'd get downvoted to oblivion for even suggesting you liked the look of the tiles...
Just give NASA the cash
and so it goes again...some of the greatest human acheivements will be done through a political and military lens. We only went to the Moon because America felt silly and threatened by Sputnik and Gagarin's flight, and here we go again. I guess we souldn't look a gift horse in the mouth but can't humans for once back the idea of space exploration for its own sake? Just give NASA the cash!
I think my Q10 is brilliant
I have just replaced my phone with a second hand q10, and it is possibly one of the best phones I have ever used. The multi tasking is true multi tasking (although the 8 app limit is annoying), the email/message etc hub is really useful and push email is as it should be - quick and efficient. Add in the brilliant browser and the ability to run android apps and I am very happy.
The exorbitant pricing for the new devices was part of the problem but the other thing is that bb's marketing has been shocking - most people don't even realise they have new models out. Add in the herd mentality (people only buy what everyone else has, hence why only apple and Samsung make all the profit) and the fashionable idea that 'blackberrys are crap' and you have the perfect storm of zero profit for blackberry. It's a real shame, as I personally think that neither apple or samsung devices are worth the money, and with samsung especially I think the ui is horrible - I think, sparse App Store aside, a modern bb would suit many people (at the right price) better that whatever the phone shop person has pushed on them. Best of luck to Chen.
What makes Tizen any different to other mobile oses?
Good reporting on the state (or lack of any state) of Tizen in the marketplace but I take issue with one opinion in this article - that of the Jolla phone and Sailfish being underwhelming. Sure it's still very much a hobbyist OS right now but it does so many things right, and the Jolla hardware, whilst not being top spec is perfectly adequate for the job and nice looking too.
The main thing that keeps me with Sailfish is true, unbridled multi-tasking, something I loved from Symbian, webOS and MeeGo Harmattan, all now obviously dead (there seems to be a pattern here, hopefully only coincidental...). Evidence would suggest that consumers couldn't care less about real multi-tasking (that or they do not know what it is/what they are missing) but for me personally I wouldn't go near a Tizen handset unless it had this feature. I've used several androids in the past and I currently have an iPad and the awful hacked on pseudo-multitasking drives me nuts - web pages constantly have to reload when I go back to them, streaming services have to reload, things log out etc.
if any when a device comes out, and If Tizen was to differentiate itself, maybe that is one way it could do so.
Re: Rented building anyway
yeah they did sell it, all part of the reason they are glad to be shot of the whole enterprise. Sad really, but tge hope of a return to handsets and hardware remains alive with Jolla...
Price conscious public?
If you were shopping around for a low price handset, why the fuck would you by an iPhone? If it's colourful plastic you like then - dare I say it - you could get a well made and easy to use Nokia Lumia for about a quarter of the price. Judging from the reviews the Nokia plastic is better wearing anyway and won't scratch within a few days.
But then most people don't actually buy phones for utility, despite how much they try and convince themselves.
The 5c may be cheaper than a 5s but cheaper doesn't necessarily mean cheap...
Maybe there's life in the old Lib Dem dogs yet...
They do have a reason exist after all!
Re: Nokia becoming more like M$oft alredy
Seems to be a lot of blind loyalty on these forums...anything remotely criticising Android seems to always get a downvote! I agree completely, Android is great on high end (although I still think it's often inconsistent and fiddly for the non-techy user compared to iOS and WP8) but awful on low-end hardware. Windows Phone runs incredibly well on very low-spec hardware, and the UI is consistent, clean and easy to use (yeah yeah, some people hate Metro but I happen to like it).
I just can't understand this blind hatred of a copmpany and its products...WinPhone is a good product (and yes, far better than Windows 8, so credit should be given where credit is due). You think Microsoft is evil? I'm really not sure Apple or Google are any better these days. I can only guess people here are so loyal to Android because you can fiddle about with almost everything on it in a really geeky way...which is great (I enjoy this myself) but almost everyone else I meet couldn't care less about that stuff. Go out in the street and ask any Samsung Galaxy user what 'rooting' means. Hell, ask them what Android is. You'll get a lot of blank looks, I guarantee it.
I'm sad that Nokia's devices division has now been sold - I still use Symbian - but I think that Nokia's management made the right decision at the time...I don't think Android would have allowed them to diffrentiate their handsets enough and as mentioned, Android runs like a dog on low-end chippery. Unfortunately it's all gone to shit now, but you never know, the new MS Lumias may be really good if they keep the Nokia division autonomous enough. I however shall be looking to Jolla from here on in, eagerly awaiting my pre-order!
Re: Game over already
Care to back this up? I've read a few initial crappy 'I used auto settings' breathless gadget mag comparisons but I'm not sure many proper tests have been done yet.
A decent article...
...and a brief but a decent obituary, thanks Andrew. If you go to the BBC, the clueless 'tech' hacks there would have you believe that Nokia only made 'phones with Snake on' prior to the iPhone (and they all have iPhones, natch)...according to them, the iPhone is the first and only smartphone
If you showed the BBC tech team a 770 tablet from 2005 I think it would blow their minds
Mark's take on the word 'innovation'
Hmm, what a surprise. I liked the ambition of the pitch, I even though the product looked nice, but my major beef was with Shuttleworth talking out of his arse. No innovation in smartphones? If he was talking purely about iPhones then maybe, but have you seen Nokia's pureview phones? What about Samsung's 'throw every bit of tech into a slabphone and see what sticks' approach? Or HTC's MacBook-esque alumnium bodies of the One series phones? Yes Mark, no one but Canonical is innovating. If Unity is innovation then I think you need to look up the word 'innovation'.
You know how to use your tablet and have set appropriate levels of security on it - hell, you actually know what a tablet is, I've met people who will only recognise what a tablet is if you qualify it with "like an iPad".
Your appraoch is in direct contract to the thousands of parents who buy shiny stuff and have no idea how it really works, and then shove it in front of their kids as a digital dummy...yes, these companies are detestable and ruthless for selling such horribly priced worthless goods but the clueless parents are providing a market for it, so they should probably educate themselves on how to use their £400 gadget before leaving it with a child.
Re: But why would anyone pay anything for a company clearly in terminal decline?
I don't know, your analogy might be better than you think - Nokia had great hardware the whole way through, and Symbian was a very competent system with stuff that even now mostly eludes the current crop, except, ironically, BB10 (low battery drain, true multitasking, full bluetooth support, HDMI out etc).
The problem was that the UI was written by engineers and not people who understood how the average user used a phone, so you ended up with a very functional looking OS with amazing features but a labrinthine UI...so no one actually knew what those features were.
BB10 is actually very easy to use and looks pretty, so BlackBerry are clearly not doing something right.
Re: Level of ignorance
What's more worrying (if that's possible) is that Dave keeps conflating the viewing of/ownership/distribution of child abuse material (which is already and quite rightly illegal with heavy penalties) with viewing everyday pr0n (which is quite rightly entirely legal).
This is such a heinous sleight of hand and is clearly designed to fuse the idea of legal pr0n censorship and peodophile crackdowns so that no-one feels able to oppose the idea of a pr0n filter in case they are accused of condoning child-abuse.
"we're going to protect children by cracking down on pr0n and cracking down on child pr0n". These are NOT the same issues.
Seems Dave's recent visits to China have paid off...it wasn't about trade at all! (or maybe it was...where China is gearing up to sell the UK the means to build its own Great Firewall, after testing the waters first...)
"...the cars will...not be fully autonomous, meaning a human can step in if it looks as if the robot driver's going to mow down pedestrians."
Erm, I think it's the meatbag drivers who are more likely to mow down pedestrians, but you'll have spend a lot of time and money getting people used to the idea that they are no-where near as good at driving as they think they are
I haven't even read the article, and I don't really care what it says. Full marks!
Re: Ah, the memories
Someone's got to do it...
EPIC EADON NO SHOW FAIL
Seems reasonable but do people really live with cracked screens for up to two years? From my anecdotal evidence from regularly seeing people on the Tube with really busted screens, the answer would be 'yes'.
I always wonder what's wrong with these people...if they can afford an iPhone they can afford to get it repaired or replaced - personally a barely usable cracked screen would drive me nuts! And don't get me on to the "I got this phone but really don't like it and it's 18 months until my upgrade" whingers. If you don't like it, then why don't you sell the phone and buy something you do like? I made the mistake of suggesting this once, the reply was was "How would I do that?". Erm...?
So yeah, this scheme would probably work for these people. I'm obviously the odd one out.
A real shame. I would actually really like a Q10, but it is prohibitively expensive (it is essentially the cost of an iPhone 5 and I think that is overpriced too). Of the three former titans of the mobile world (Sony, Nokia and BlackBerry), BlackBerry is the one the one that has failed to understand who the fuck actually buys their stuff and what their products mean to punters in general.
Nokia now gets it (and arguably they might just make it out the woods too) - they cover a range of price points with thier new handsets and all are reliable, quality and good value, with the higher priced models getting you some really nice features, and all have the great Nokia built apps.
Sony also now understand their brand significance - they too are trading on their reputation for good design (and slightly overpriced higer-end products...but they can get away with it). Their new range forgets the SonyEricsson wilderness years and harks back to a time when Sony made brilliant products - and it seems to be working.
BlackBerry however have no fucking clue who buys their products. BB10 is actually pretty good, and I like the Z10 and Q10, but no-one will pay what BB want for them, the pricing is just crazy. Cash-strapped IT managers won't buy these, the general workers have already managed to convince IT to let them use their own devices (more fool them), why would they then spend mental money new BB phones that everyone perceives to be rubbish? And then, like the review says, what teenager can afford this, the most budget BB10 device? Teenagers buy BB 'cause they are reliable and cheap. One part of that equation has disappeared now.
Sorry BlackBerry, you're absolutely doomed. I might pick up a Q10 in the firesale.
How long will you stick to this plan HP?
I have, charging wirelessly on my desk, a HP mobile phone. It's called the Pre 3. HP spent 1.3 billion dollars buying the software inside it and an untold sum developing that software and the hardware to put it in. The software is incredible, light years ahead of the competition in some areas - true, intutive multitasking, unified online services (ie it will pull in all infor from Twitter, Facebook, Google, Hotmail etc and present it together), instant searching/app launching, unified inbox etc etc. Even the hardware, whilst not Apple or Nokia's level of quality had something special - the aformentioned wireless charging, which STILL has only really appeared on Nokia phones recently, even though Palm released it in 2009.
HP threw all this away on a whim because they didn't have the balls to try and win some marketshare. They had a unique product and frittered billions on doing nothing with it, and now they want to get into the game by producing the same crap as everyone else. Good luck HP, you don't deserve anything at all!
Re: one of the problems of selling to a non tech end user
You say Android has weak hotspot password generator? Oh no, I've not got one of those, I've got a Samsung Galaxy.
What's a hotspot?
That's the bonkers thing about the massive amount of Americans swallowing this horseshit, they all learnt the Gettysburg Address by heart at school, have they forgotten the salient part?
"...that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth".
What's by the people or for the people about PRISM?
Must be a really slow news day if the Reg is rewording articles from the Daily Mail
Re: ^ Very much this.
The Daily Mail not having a clue about any subject you care to choose yet having a very strong opinion on it? Never!
Re: Apathy tends to rule these days...
Hmm, which Harvard professor was this? I am not totally dimissing your point, but your argument seems to miss the subtleties and context such equality laws were drawn up around - the reason discussions about racial differences are so taboo in our current Western society is arguably due to the horror that was realised by the Nazis when objective discourse and debate about ethnic traits, drawbacks and positives was turned into genocide by a warped view of the theories. On top that, the so-called theories unscientific and were probably tainted from the outset anyway, having been forged in the minds of imperialistic, arogant and racist Victorians. IQ is difficult to measure, and effects on groups/populations' intelligence can be afffected by an infinite set of external factors so I am interested to see what that particular professor's argument was. Highly qualified academics can sometimes be spectacularly wrong and unscientific too.
But yes, to simply believe that everyone can live a completely equal outcome is naive, I agree...but the important thing to aim for is to increase the base level for all people. People have inalienble human rights and should not be subject to poverty, so I disagree slightly with what I think is the gist of your post.
Apathy tends to rule these days...
Yeah I tend to agree that we are far more closer to Huxley's vision than Orwell's - I don't really use Facebook that much but posted a link to the breaking PRISM story thinking it might be interesting and stir up some debate...and it stirred up fuck all. People were too busy posteing pictures of their cats/children/pets or complainng abouit the postman being late or some other triviality to care. It's really sad.
Interestingly, I am from a unique generation (I am 30) that has seen the Web develop and explode from when I was a teenager, so whilst it has been around in some form or another for most of my adult life, I can remember a time when it was not ubiquitous. Chatting to a friend who is about 5 years younger than me last night, it seems there is far more apathy amongst him and his peers than with those my age. He seemed to be resigned to the fact that "we know it has been happening for years anyway, and I've got nothing to hide". I fear we are sleepwalking into this whole situation, and this also makes me sad.
Speaking of Huxley, Orwell and having nothing to hide, don't forget about Yevgeny Zamyatin's 'We', the story that inspired both 1984 and Brave New World...the characters in that novel live in glass houses and do everything at the same time because they had nothing to hide...and it is a truly horrible existence.
...Apple 'invents' wireless charging. Everyone borrows from each other but it is annoying to see the average user proclaiming how 'innovative' Apple stuff is when patently is is not. I have to admit that iOS7 does looks nice, but yeah, that's 'cause it looks like Meego, webOS and Meego
Apple has never borrowed anything from anyone, ever, which is why they can sue the shit of everyone. Oh, but wait, what's this? iOS7 looks like Windows Phone, MeeGo, webOS, BB10 and even Android...nice one lads, better drop the whole lawsuit schtick then
Nice one HTC...
Hope you can afford the lawsuit!
Re: False positives
@Trevor Pott Excellently put, I said something similar in a Reg forum post a while back, and got into an argument with another poster who claimed to have been a victim in some small capacity of terrorist attacks, but seemed too emotionally involved to not see the irony of his demand that the security services, police and government be given more powers to monitor citizens...when that is exactly the kind of society that extremists want.
The thing is, I too have had a close brush with atrocities and like Iain said in the article, and whilst I was lucky I would not change anyone's right to privacy to change the outcome. I walk around thinking, talking and acting freely knowing full well that there is a minuscule chance that I or my loved ones could be injured or killed by those who do not wish me to have those freedoms. This is the price I and all of us pay to exist in our hard-won democracy, and it's high time everyone realised what living in such a society requires of them.
What happened to the Big Society?
Dave seems to have forgotten all about his little tirade against 'silly regulations' and 'governement quangos'...as leader of a party that traditionally hates regulating (or threatening to regulate), he doing a lot of regulating (or threatening...).
Where do I start? On a broad level it seems the pace of technology is faster than the general populaces ability to actually know how to use that technology. In my experience most people frankly don't have a fucking clue how to use any of the shiny gadgets they buy, and they don't really understand how the Web works. They also seem to fail to understand the ethical and moral implications of enforcing ISP level blocking (and on a side note they also fail to see the issues around giving police and GCHQ greater powers in the wake of a brutal terrorist attack, but that's another story...).
Just because Esther Ranson has been bleating in the government's collective ear (Ranson and most of the government also don't have a fucking clue how any of this stuff works) doesn't mean that access to (crucially legal) material and information should be blocked, just because parents can't be fucked to learn how to use said shiny stuff.
Here's my solution: the gov should try and run educational programs / or contract out such lessons/material/TV programs to teach people how to set up simple blocks on PCs/tablets/networks. They should also teach kids in schools (starting from now) on how our increasingly complex elctronic world works so that in the future we don't have a nation of clueless fuckwits and we end up in a simlar situation when those kids grow up. Instead, Michael Gove thinks that lessons on a long since faded empire are the solution to all of our educational woes.
This whole thing is by an old buys PPE educated club in government, and we need more scientists, engineers and academics in charge to give balance, because the House of Commons right mostly does not understand any of the things they are regulating and acting on.
Good old Keith Vaz...
"Labour MP and Home Affairs Select Committee chairman Keith Vaz asked the PM if he would revisit the panel's 2012 recommendation..."
The same Keith Vaz who has led a misinformed but never ending crusade against violent (but crucially adult-rated) video games, despite lots of evidence against his claims...? Might have known he'd be pushing for this sort of knee-kerk bullshit
Lots of exciting developments in the world of biology and medicine (cybernetics, stem cell research, retrovirus research etc), a good deal of this stuff in development today is likely to be in use by the 2030s (and more importantly, there have been a host of recent advancements in the prevention and treatment of cancer) so the problem may well be moot, or at least less of an issue by then. Of course, potential but not guaranteed technologies should be a basis for NASAa policies on astronaut safety but it's food for thought.
Ironically there will probably be lots of new science discovered about the effect of cosmic rays on such a trip so perhaps cancer treatments and cures will come out of such a trip, but you can't be a pioneer without taking risks. It's what makes us human. Actually I'm thrilled that NASA are even gearing up to go, I've been waiting for this since I read about the moon landings, aged 4!
Re: Waspy Police state
Using terms like 'sheeple' and 'hand wringers' plus straw men and lashings of your own opinion makes your post sound a little bit silly. In fact you sound exactly how I would imagine Richard Littlejohn on acid to be
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