4 posts • joined 20 Apr 2012
Re: Enjoy your storage. Er, how about a database?
Sorry to hear about your poor oracle support experience. Most customers once they use it, love it.
They really sell a database? Its ok if storage goes out of business? LOL. you have zero idea what your talking about. What about the 100's of other apps, engineered systems like exadata and supercluster which much of the IP is the storage! LOL. You obviously have never been to Oracle Open World.
Whitepapers/blueprints: we have many and more or being written all the time.
All the talent is at openindiana? ROFL. Tell that to the hundreds of engineers working on improving our products daily and allowing us to achieve such high SPC1, SP2 and SPEC.org benchmark numbers. Oracle has invested more in hardware engineering then SUN could dream about. Sun was to busy building science projects and giving away their precious IP versus trying to make money and a living like netapp and emc do. Thank goodness Oracle killed OpenSolaris. Giving away your IP doesn't seem to pay the bills. If it did netapp would make ONTAP opensource and EMC would do the same for their plethora of systems and OS's. How many people would by a DataDomain if emc gave away the code?
Re: great if all you run is Oracle
First off your correct, today Oracle does not support VAAI or yet have vcenter integration. But, it has many things to consider for a vmware environment.
1. Dtrace Analytics - The ZFSSA is able to drill down and show you live or historical detailed information about an individual Virtual Machine on VMware. Such as I have 40 vm's running tell me exactly how many IOPS each is doing? How many MB/s? what is the Read/Write ratio, what is the block size?, what is the latency? I can answer these questions and hundreds of others with analytics in mere seconds and for a single virtual machine. Try and do that with your other storage system. By the way these analytics are included and run 24/7.
2. Native 40Gb infiniband - ESXi supports native 40Gb infiniband. You can connect a couple of cables from your esx servers to your ZFSSA and never run out of bandwidth. Furthermore you could connect the whole stack to a mellanox 4036 Grid Director and you wouldn't need any other cables to your esx servers but a few management cables. http://www.mellanox.com/content/pages.php?pg=products_dyn&product_family=108&menu_section=52
3. ZFSSA is fully certified and works extremely well with VMware. You could easily also create Powercli scripts to integrate with snapshots, clones and replication on the ZFSSA array today. Any esx admin worth anything would easily be able to accomplish this with PowerCLI and they would have to pay a storage vendor $$$$$$$ for a GUI that does the same thing.
Regarding Hyper-V: It is fully supported and on the Windows 2008 WHQL. We also have a nice VSS hardware provider that plays well with Hyper-V and Data Protection Manager. Again, not expensive SAN software license required $$$$$$$.
It sounds like you really need a real demo of the ZFSSA so you can see its true capabilities.
Oracle stopped giving away all the intellectual property that Sun gave away so thoughtlessly over a year ago. There are many lines of code and optimization that other ZFS storage vendors will simply never get. You don't see netapp and emc giving away any of their code? There are hundreds of engineers at Oracle working daily to make the ZFSSA one the fastest most stable enterprise storage arrays on the market.
Re: Like for Like?
Umm, not quite!
it wouldn't be dollar for dollar for more disk space on the ZFSSA. To double the space would cost a whole $78k. Not 2.5x the cost. That would put it still 620k cheaper then the 6240.
Also the point of this exercise is performance, netapp needs more disk because they are less efficient.
Re: Possibly true, but...
The comparison doesn't include any of the expensive netapp software other then NFS... Oracle's arrays by the way have a very large stack of included software such as dtrace based analytics which netapp cannot touch and Netapp cannot even support Hybrid Columnar Compression for the Oracle Database.