* Posts by G2

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And the prize for LEAST SECURE BROWSER goes to ... Chrome!

G2
Megaphone

half truth statistics coming from Secunia.

1) Reported vulnerabilities are not the same thing as unpatched reported vulnerabilities and Google moves pretty quick to patch things.

Their bounty rewards program helps A LOT with finding and reporting vulnerabilities - this is an incentive for people to smash, crunch and otherwise torture the browser in every imaginable way to see if it sprouts a leak, and that leak will be patched for the benefit of all the users.

I don't see the other mentioned browser markers offering such bounties.. MS in particular is known for the secretive way in which it shoves stuff under the carpet (they have a sort of bounty rewards program.. with a NDA with stupid terms attached) when it doesn't like it shown until they release a patch for it, sometimes years later, and bragging about finally fixing x or y while some things never get fixed or get stealth "unsupported" half-fixes (*cough* POSReady fixes allowed for WinXP on purpose - they could easily nuke it.*/cough*).

2) i'm a Secunia PSI user and i can tell you that their detection of the installed Chrome version is crappy about half of the time.

This is because Chrome keeps the previous version around when it installs an update, just in case you need to roll back. If you have Chrome installed and if you ever applied an update to it, just take a look at C:\Program Files\Google\Chrome\Application (or wherever you installed it). You'll see there 2 folders, one for the current version and one for the previous version that you had before the latest update.

Sometimes Secunia PSI will detect the version that was present when i started the computer and keep pestering me to update it even if i just updated it. When this happens i have to manually FORCE a full system scan in Secunia PSI just so that it can detect the updated version.

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Noobs can pwn world's most popular BIOSes in two minutes

G2
Mushroom

manufacturers are to blame 100%

this ball is in squarely in the manufacturer's court. Almost every device i have encountered so far comes with a disclaimer that you, as user, are shit out of luck if you try to upgrade it's bios/firmware and it's no longer working after that and that the warranty will be voided by ANY changes that you make to the original as-shipped bios. ("any" meaning including trying to upgrade it with a bios downloaded from the manufacturer's site).

Until the manufactures provide full support for bios/firmware upgrading and drop the associated warranty-nuking legalese from the warranty terms, the users won't even consider patching them.

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Yahoo! wheels! out! password! on-demand! service! for! simpletons!

G2
Facepalm

day dreaming of yahoos

tl;dr version: the technology is not there yet to support this dream and have account security at the same time.

so... is Yahoo now officially facilitating account credentials interception for any services? have they been bought out by the NSA or have they been hit with a stupid ray?

losing control of your phone (either stolen or temporarily/permanently held for "inspection" by border agents/power-drunk LEOs or other rent-a-cops) or just having it intercepted by a stingray or other cell site simulator will give the spooks/crooks way easier access to ANY account that uses that phone number as the only way to validate access. They won't even need to decrypt the device as they can use the phone number alone to get access to the contents of the online services tied to it and can then easily slurp the data. Sometimes you don't even need to power on the phone, the spooks can easily persuade the phone company to temporarily assign that phone number to a SIM card that they control, or can even clone the original SIM.

If the device in question were a fail-proof, not-easily removed or intercepted integral part of your body then yahoo's method would be ok... some SciFi movies even portray people talking to a hologram in their hands or on the periphery of the visual field (or similar stuffs...).

Unfortunately the technology is not there yet and the point of 2FA is exactly to try to avoid those scenarios where you lose control of the device, and by changing one of the factors, to limit the extent that the other one can be exploited.

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East Timor was officially removed from the internet yesterday

G2
Pint

tl.dr

or is that dr.tl now?

:p

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BOFH in mugnificent return to Cash'n'Carrion

G2

shock-resistant?

any chance of getting some shock-resistant BOFH mugs in there too?

Duralex/Luminarc or something similar? The current mugs seem a bit too frail for any heavy-duty usage. (including usage as a percussive maintenance tool :p )

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Samsung gets KINKY with new Galaxy in 50 SHADES OF GREY

G2
Holmes

Google Glass or similar

for me that looks awfully close to a Glass device viewed from the side...

Google has recently terminated the experimental production run and with Samsung already having had some attempts at developing a similar device... maybe Google signed up with Samsung for mass-market production? Mobile World Congress sounds like the perfect place to launch the mass-market Google Glass Mk 2 (or is that Mk 3...4?.. i lost count of the test variations)

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El Reg Redesign - leave your comment here.

G2

ow..my eyes.. what in the world made you change that nicely compact layout? looks like a tornado messed the site :(

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Win a year’s supply of chocolate (no tech knowledge required)

G2
FAIL

Re: Just under the clickey button...

not to mention that there's NO ACTUAL terms & conditions linked. AT ALL.

i think they might be something along the lines.. "by entering this competition you're giving us your first born, an arm and a leg. We'll be coming tonight with a chainsaw to collect the arm+leg."

/:p

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French Senate passes anti-Amazon amendment

G2

ok.. who sets the base reference for prices?

Amazon: ok.. so.. no more free shipping allowed?.. ok..charge them 0.01 €cents (no..not using verizon math there)..

Amazon: ok.. no discounts more than 5%?... 5% relative to WHAT?.. who sets the base price used for calculating discounts? Answer: we (mostly) do, so instead of discounts >5% we'll start seeing the regular, non-discounted prices dropping...

Is there a law in France that states that regular, non-discounted prices have to be above a certain value?

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Mozilla to cram a full web-dev IDE inside Firefox browser

G2

Re: about:crashes

Firefox is the only program that crashes on either of my systems and the crashes started with v29.. it was pretty stable before that, and i'm not the only one that started to see crashes beginning with v29.

system 1: Win7 SP1 x64 fully updated, installed in 2011, 16 gb ram

system 2: winxp sp3, fully updated, including the POS, 4gb ram (3gb usable), freshly installed in january 2014

On both systems i always run as normal user without admin rights and i use an elevated command window when i need administrative access.

again.. Firefox is the only program that's crashing... since it doesnt do that for you.. do you use any add-ons?

Maybe it's because i'm using NoScript / AdBlock Plus / HTTPS Everywhere, but these add-ons worked just fine before v29 appeared and they've been updated repeatedly since v29 was launched.

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G2
Flame

Firefox crashiness

they'll add the full IDE before or after fixing the crashiness that's been plaguing Firefox lately?

since v29 i get at least a crash a day.. i got into the habit of no longer bothering with providing comments in the Crash Reporter... i use that for ASCII art

If you happen to navigate to about:crashes in Firefox.. you'll get there a nice list of Firefox crashes on the local PC that have been caught by the Crash Reporter, crashes complete with URLs to the crash analysis and the comments neatly formatted on a page... you can see that people swear a lot in crash comments too.. i just use a small piece of ASCII art for comments and i see some other people doing that too :)

......................../´¯/)

.....................,/¯..//

..................../..../ /

............./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸

........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\

........('(...´(..´......,~/'...')

.........\.................\/..../

..........\............... _.·´

............\..............(

..............\.............\

edit: meh, elReg is messing with the newlines in the above graphic, doubling them.. just use your imagination and remove the extra spacing (^_^)

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When will Microsoft next run out of US IPv4 addresses for Azure?

G2
Pint

throwing a big wrench

there you go... Microsoft throwing a BIG and PUBLIC wrench in the MAFIAAA's laughable claims that IP addresses can map always to a precise physical location. The new address space isn't even from the same general geographic area.

ROFL...

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The amazing .uk domain: Less .co and loads more whalesong

G2
Trollface

Re: The colour represents self expression, new thinking, and new horizons.

is it my dyslexic imagination or am i the only one to see an "f" letter in the white space on the left side of the circle?.... that means the logo is saying "fuk". LOL

/lol

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Über-secure Blackphone crypto-mobe spills its silicon guts

G2

Re: First customer?

don't worry.. it seems it's built specifically FOR those agencies and not designed to be used at all in Russia and the eastern side of the continent - according to those published specs it has no support for GLONASS at all, it only supports american-style GPS - thus it will be hard for it to achieve commercial distribution in Russia and its neighbors that require GLONASS.

Russia mandates that any device imported for sale that can use GPS must also support GLONASS.

No GLONASS => not designed to be sold in Russia or its neighbors (unless you pay the 25% import tax for devices that are not-GLONASS compatible)

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Minecraft players can now download Denmark – all of it – in 1:1 scale

G2
Black Helicopters

Re: This is great!

anyone remembers when the same thing was done on a much smaller scale in CounterStrike a few years back?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/03/student_counterstrike_map_texasschool/

i wonder if / when will someone call the cops or a swat team down on these... or maybe just dispense with the niceties and use a drone strike directly

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Opportunity selfie: Martian winds have given the spunky ol' rover a spring cleaning

G2
Pint

xkcd

https://xkcd.com/695/

for the wrong rover though... but valid nonetheless.

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Nokia offers 'voluntary retirement' to 6,000+ Indian employees

G2
Mushroom

launch affecting 6000+ people...

quote: we have launched a voluntary package (VRS) at our Chennai, India facility.

/quote

was it launched from a low earth orbit, a high geostationary orbit or from Nokia's HQ in Finland using a phone-shaped ICBM?

/ICSDS

(inter-continental snark delivery system)

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Chrome makes new password grab in version 34

G2

Re: @article author: reading comprehension FAIL

quote:

So Google, and apparently you, think that it is OK to break W3C HTML5?

/quote

on the contrary, this behavior is mandated by the W3C HTML principles:

http://www.w3.org/TR/html-design-principles/#priority-of-constituencies

what's happening is that all the OTHER browsers are breaking the HTML design principles by forcing a user to do what a site wants (disabling the autocomplete) instead of prioritizing the user's wishes. In this case Chrome might be the first browser to actually comply with the W3C principles.

Now.. the problem here is that while browsers come with password managers and they ask the user if they want to save the password, a lot of people will click "yes" without thinking...

What the browser designers should have done instead of just blindly clicking on a "yes" button is forcing the user to think when they save a password.

Instead of just clicking that button they should be presented with a more puzzling challenge, e.g. solving a captcha or typing the "yes" answer themselves.

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G2
FAIL

@article author: reading comprehension FAIL

quote:

That means that even if users turn off Chrome's feature that collects and automatically enters their login credentials to web services, the browser will nonetheless make the offer to do so.

/quote

NO, that's not what it means, you totally misunderstood the change... if the user turns off the password manager then it stays off.

This change affects only when a web SITE specifies the parameter autocomplete=off on a password input field, the browser will ignore that and instead will use the USER's preference instead of the SITE's preference: if the user has the password manager enabled then it will use that for autocomplete. If the user has disabled the password manager then it stays disabled.

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China's web giants unite to defuse Windows XP bombshell

G2
Mushroom

support WinXP? maybe with EMET.. unfortunately no longer a solution

without access to WinXP source code i don't see how they can provide updates... maybe they thought they could rely on Microsoft's EMET ?

i'ts already been bypassed, even on latest windows OS's

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/02/25/0139202/complete-microsoft-emet-bypass-developed

quote: "Researchers took a real-world IE exploit and tweaked it until they had a complete bypass of EMET's ROP, heap spray, SEHOP, ASLR, and DEP mitigations"

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US Department of Justice details Kim Dotcom evidence

G2
Mushroom

"Files that demanded higher throughput, which meant that more users were accessing those files simultaneously, were stored on faster servers ... [..snip...]...has purposefully made their rapid and repeated distribution a primary focus of their infrastructure"

yep.. looks like akamai.com's modus operandi ... shut them down too! (/sarcasm)

oh wait.. can't do that...

http://www.akamai.com/html/customers/customer_list.html

even NASA or the Australian Government or Autodesk uses Akamai services.... or a whole TON of US Government Agencies... shut them down too! :p

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Creepy US spy agency flings WORLD SLURPING OCTOPUS into orbit

G2
Pint

cooking recipe thoughts

first thing i thought (ok..second, first was "wtf! they admit it") when seeing that octopus was yummy....a lot of meat to cook Takoyaki there... who starts to chop the arms and who brings the sauce?

:p /beer

p.s.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHDmVhShE80

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Ultimate Doctor Tom Baker REGENERATES, RETURNS to WHO

G2
Pint

nice pun :)

quote:

you've been lost up Uranus

/quote

roflmao... i think a proctologist has made subtle changes to the article before it went live :p

edit: woooot.. we have an EDIT button! cheers!

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Google Glass going to the dogs: FIDO project computerizes canines

G2
Coat

can they adapt it for....

Can we fit them to sharks also and train them?

We might then get a remote-controlled shark... next step is just to add lasers to a shark's dorsal package

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Facebook slurped phone numbers says Norton

G2
Mushroom

heh.. diigo is far worse

Diigo is far worse... if you're logged in with ANY account you can download ANYONE ELSE's exported bookmarks if you manage to get the download key (looks like a MD5 sum slightly modified) for one.

The site doesn't check that the file actually belongs to you, only that you're logged in with a diigo account. (it used to be that the site didn't even check that you're logged in, but they added a login check sometimes last year).

even data for PAST ACCOUNTS, that are currently deleted, can be downloaded. Diigo doesn't allow you to delete ANY EXPORT files even if the account that generated them is deleted by the user.

http://feedback.diigo.com/forums/76543-bugs/suggestions/2724653-major-privacy-violation-exported-archives-cannot-/

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TSA: Perv scanners now fully banished from US airports

G2
Joke

idiocracy user interface

rofl @ user interface on that thing

i think that interface makes a nice 3rd pane to this comparison:

http://acousticmonster.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/76__400x425_windowsidiocracy.png

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Euro Commission abandons ACTA court request

G2
Unhappy

unfortunately it's not over yet...

"ACTA" as such might be dead and buried but its contents is risen back copypasta-style in the form of CETA and TPP:

see

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/ceta-replicates-acta

https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp

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WIN! A Viewsonic Pro9000 HD projector worth £1600

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BOFH: Hasta la Vista... luser

G2
Pint

i wish i could mod the article insightful +1

"Only to the size of the hammer," - this is my rule too :)

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US Copyright Office approves phone jailbreaking and video remixes

G2
FAIL

from Jan 2013 you can only get unlocking with a carrier's permission

i think your interpretation of the new DMCA extemptions is a bit flawed: true, unlocking is still freely allowed BUT that will last ONLY UNTIL January 2013. After that you must have the carrier's permission (and assistance) to do so:

quote:

No more unlocking

In 2006 and 2010, the Librarian of Congress had permitted users to unlock their phones to take them to a new carrier. Now that's coming to an end. While the new rules do contain a provision allowing phone unlocking, it comes with a crippling caveat: the phone must have been "originally acquired from the operator of a wireless telecommunications network or retailer no later than ninety days after the effective date of this exemption."

In other words, phones you already have, as well as those purchased between now and next January, can be unlocked. But phones purchased after January 2013 can only be unlocked with the carrier's permission.

/quote

source:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/10/jailbreaking-now-legal-under-dmca-for-smartphones-but-not-tablets/

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Pandora boss urges 85% pay cut for musicians

G2
WTF?

stock trades list - is this a slow fire sale or what's going on?

the actual URL in the article should be this one:

Westergren Timothy: Insider Trading and Stock Options:

http://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1522489.htm

that shows the monthly trades much more clearly and by looking at what the other executives of the company are doing it seems this kind of slow fire sale ("under the radar") is "normal" for them:

.

Conrad Thomas:

http://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1522484.htm

.

Costin Delida:

http://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1522485.htm

.

Trimble John:

http://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1522488.htm

.

CAKEBREAD STEVEN:

http://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1254015.htm

.

KAVNER ROBERT M:

http://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1195065.htm

.

anyone has any clue what's happening here? From what i know executives selling stock (and stock options) in the company they manage happens usually only once a year or so. Doing this monthly and in such high volumes smells weird to me.

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French Skyper freed after accidentally hacking bank's phone system

G2
Facepalm

Re: Pass code?

That's amazing, i know someone that has the same combination on his luggage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JNGI1dI-e8

:P

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Japanese fanboy robbers empty shops of iPhone 5s ahead of launch

G2
Trollface

Re: Status symbol

well, they did SHIP them....they just didn't reach the intended delivery destination :p

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Swiss railways ticked off at iOS clock knock-off

G2
WTF?

Re: The trademark on the clock expired [...] this month.

they might be in the process of renewing it, so the renewal won't show up yet.

if you look at the status it does say it's an ACTIVE trademark, so SBB might have a grace period to renew the mark

Status Active trademark

Trademark no. 512830

Filing date 03.09.2002

Expiry date 03.09.2012

Source of first publication SOGC no.145 to 31.07.2003

Application no. 07606/2002

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Apple slip-up slows iOS 6 upgrades

G2
Mushroom

Re: iOS6 update broke on my iPhone 4

A) or try starting it in recovery mode and re-flash it.

1. Turn phone off

2. Press and continue to hold the Home button while you reconnect the USB cable to your iPhone, this will cause the iPhone to turn on

3. Continue to hold the Home button until an alert message in iTunes informs you that an iPhone in recovery mode has been detected. (hopefully)

4. re-flash it.

and/or

B) if you tried (A) and it still doesn't work and it's under warranty, return it.

C) if (A) doesn't work and it's not under warranty, you're SOL.

Consider selling it for parts OR if you have data on it that you're worried about, consider CAREFULLY removing the salvageable bits yourself (e.g. screen+touch sensor assembly, battery,...) and applying some heavy duty percussive maintenance to the remaining mainboard bits. :p

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Apple's first batch of iPhone 5 preorders sold out in an hour

G2
WTF?

64Gb flash = +200 usd?!!!

wtf... price games again:(

they're practically selling 64Gb of flash memory for +200 usd?

a heavy duty usb flash drive is half of that and it also includes a sturdy rubber enclosure that you can drive a truck over or dump into water 50m deep and it will protect it. Try that with their phone.

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What to do with 110,000 Magstar tapes and 11PB of data

G2
Pint

tapes

after they migrate the data from the tapes, recycle the tapes themselves to launch a new line of designer clothes and wearable accessories.

It's way more profitable than dumping the tapes in a landfill and it gives a new life to the stuff.

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Size does matter: Outlook.com punters want meatier passwords

G2
Facepalm

@deny source ip

<quote src=Graham 24>[...]simple deny all logins from that source IP for say, five seconds. Hardly a great inconvience to a genuine user making a typo on the password, but makes a remote "dictionary attack" (where the dictionary including all combinations of upper, lower case and digits) of even an eight-character password unfeasible.[...]</quote>

these days it's a lot easier to do DISTRIBUTED dictionary attacks or port/vulnerability scans, denying logins from a particular ip address or address range is meaningless.

It's better to deny logins globally to that account for x seconds/minutes and after that to add a mandatory captcha to the login for the next few hours. I've even seen servers that always ask for captcha on logins (i configure mine this way too.).

https://www.google.com/search?q=distributed+dictionary+attack

https://www.google.com/search?q=distributed+port+scan

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Slash for cash: boozers' bladders primed for Olympic pee game

G2
Facepalm

cheating the system

does this thing do any sort of chemical analysis of the liquid it's subjected to?

if not... just bring a [section of a] garden hose into the bathroom, connect one end to a water tap at the nearby sink, open the water flow and use the other end to obtain the gold pee medal :P

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Yahoo! fixes! password! leak! vulnerability!

G2
FAIL

unfortunately, for yahoo sms auth it is still in beta testing and it can easily be bypassed even if turned on.

Just log on via yahoo messenger (desktop app), click on the mail icon in ymess and you have Instant mail access without any nagging sms prompts.

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MPAA sympathetic to returning legitimate Megaupload files

G2
WTF?

Re: What really annoys me...

@AC with "police have seizure..." blabla

FBI is not police and especially not outside the borders of the USA

the FBI agents were in New Zealand as simple visitors / tourists / consultants, not members of the NZ police force so they had no right to hijack potential evidence.

when members of other agencies around the world do the same thing inside the USA they get arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned for spying. Sometimes they get directly executed with a bullet/car "accident", skipping the arrest/prosecution/prison stage.

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G2

Re: $9000/day storage cost?

that "storage" is not ony hard drive space but physical space storage too.

the servers themselves might be powered down and sealed but that doesn't mean they have been moved, they still use up valuable datacenter space and resources...

however... i don't remember reading anywhere that the servers themselves have been powered down, only that they have been disconnected from the network.

factor in the wasted datacenter space, electrical power needed to keep servers and air conditioning running, routers, switches, UPSs, generators, building maintenance, security & staff, etc...

this all translates into costs and a huge revenue loss for the company operating the data center.

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G2
Facepalm

Re: SO THERE

THE CATCH here is that MPAA wants an absolute rate of 0% counterfeit.

Not 0.00something%, not 5%...they don't allow for any tolerance, so ZERO.

You can NEVER GUARANTEE that compliance rate LAWFULLY unless you hire a JUDGE (ok, a lot of them) to examine MANUALLY EACH FILE and rule on its compliance.

A few days ago a research report came out that such a thing would costs roughly 50 BILLION USD in the case of all the videos on youtube.

This request from MPAA is around the same order of magnitude & impossibility.

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G2
FAIL

"its investigators arrived in New Zealand, copied seven hard drives, and sent the information back to the US without local police knowing what was happening"

Soooo.... copying copyrighted information is theft when MPAA says it is, but copying copyrighted information that belongs to someone else is not theft when the FBI does it on the sly in a foreign country while acting as MPAA's lap dog?

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Hard disk drive prices quick to rise, slow to fall

G2
Mushroom

Re: Doesn't help that drives are increasingly unreliable

<quote>WD still has a 5 year warrany on the Caviar Black series of drives and RE4 series of drives.</quote>

http://support.wdc.com/warranty/policy.asp?custtype=end&lang=en#emea

yea... right.. it's funny that NOW the warranty page on WD's sites loads just fine but back in february/march when i needed it, it didn't LOAD AT ALL! It was showing an error message with an apology about warranty terms not being available.

At that time even the WD Black / RE4 i was seeing for sale had warranties of only 2 years. Maybe they fixed that since then but i was royally screwed over by this thing. :(

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G2
Mushroom

Re: Doesn't help that drives are increasingly unreliable

that's why they also dropped warranty lengths.

All drives manufactured after january 1st, 2012 have the warranty cut down. You won't see anymore drives shipped directly from manufacturer with a warranty of 3 or 5 or more years.

Now Seagate and Western Digital only provide a maximum warranty of 2 years but only on some drives.

I see also many drives from these two that come with only ONE year warranty and they hope they won't be sued by the European Union for ignoring the minimum 2 years warranty mandatory legal requirement across the E.U.

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US space programme in shock metric conversion

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FAIL

Re: Good luck with that

well, to give my point of view, from Eastern Europe, (and maybe for most of the rest of the world) here the US is mostly viewed as a redneck country with the border rednecks willing to almost rape and anal probe you if you dare to visit and WILL kick arrest and deport you even for posting twitter jokes (TSA checkpoints). The USA's new logo for promoting tourism is: "Come and visit the USA, strip for the TSA!"

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A sysadmin in telco hell

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FAIL

i'm in the same porting hell with Vodafone ever since 2009 !!!!

i'm stuck in a similar porting hell with Vodafone (in Romania) since 2009 and they won't do ANYTHING about it.

in october 2009 i ported my number from Vodafone to another carrier (RDS DigiMobil) and to this day i CANNOT RECEIVE any international call or sms.

i tested with a friend in Canada: while we were both on skype video chat i had him call my mobile phone number from his mobile phone and after he started to get a ringing tone (and my phone wasn't ringing at all) i used the very same phone that he was trying to reach to call his home land line number.

His landline started to ring immediately and at the same time his mobile phone was still trying to ring my mobile number (and did a very good job of faking the ringing, there was no indication that the call was not connected properly at all, he was hearing a standard ringing tone)

i filed complaints all the way up to the National Authority for Communications but all my complaints end up in the same stink-hole that is vodafone+rds support.

RDS says that the porting has been completed from their end... Vodafone says the same and i'm stuck with having to use a secondary prepaid sim card (from vodafone since they won't unlock that handset even if the contract is finished) so that i can receive international calls and sms.

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Proview's Apple iPad rights war goes global, reaches ESSEX

G2

Re: China trademarks =/= Hong Kong trademarks

P.S. read that 2007 blog article and the linked blogspot article too...

Ferrari lost the right to the horse image trademark in China to a company that registered it properly in 1996.

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G2
Facepalm

China trademarks =/= Hong Kong trademarks

Proview is not using the fraud and deceit defense in China because these are really two separate legal matters:

The international lawsuits are related to the INTERNATIONAL (actually 10-countries) usage of the mark that was sold to a buyer that was acting under false pretenses and thus it is the contract to the international mark that is contested and as such that contract might be found null and void because of willfull deceit on part of the buyer and Proview might end up actually owning the international IPAD trade mark again if the courts decide so.

The China lawsuit is another kettle of fish: the international right for the mark does not include the rights for Chinese mainland.

Harris & Moure on their blog, http://www.chinalawblog.com/ have repeatedly stressed the point that Hong Kong trademarks are not always (i.e. almost never) recognized in mainland China unless they are also REGISTERED in China.

This is due to the "One country, two systems" approach. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

See:

http://www.chinalawblog.com/2007/07/china_trademarks_do_you_feel_l.html

and

http://www.chinalawblog.com/2011/12/china_and_foreign_trademarks_think_puerto_rico.html

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