142 posts • joined Saturday 3rd March 2012 14:37 GMT
Yandex? Chinese investors?
I was a fan of this project, but now I'm very skeptical... It seems to be very focused on Asian market. And it also seems to be suffering a sort of split personality of wanting to be both open, capable and advance and at the same time it seems to want to be accessible to masses...
Re: Effect on WP
Gotta love it how people keep flat out lying about the bloody search button. No, you can not change it on any Windows Phone device. All you can change is default browser search engine, but that has nothing to do with the button itself.
Re: Effect on WP
Maybe the button would be disabled then... which would be probably the first good thing about WP devices.
That reminds me, is an article summarizing Ballmer's reign planned? (Or has one been released here and I missed it?)
What a puffy unsurprise
Dear Microsoft, you can stick your clouds, touch interfaces and marketplaces where sun never shines if you try to feed them to my OS (touch of course has its place on Surface Pro and phones).
I would have expected greater mentions of these two...
Re: Big screen with WP = big fail.
Not everyone uses Exchange and the point of direct Outlook sync would be synchronization without some other party, like cloud or server.
How exactly do you transfer a file over WLAN? Assuming you could access a random file, which you can't.
I disagree, better a hippy garden with a frackton of plants in it than a walled garden, which is almost empty and inconsistent and the plants that it has are too young to be shown (used) or too simple.
Oh yes, I keep forgetting about that "mandatory Kinect purchase" part... Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if M$ announced that customers can buy a Kinect-free XBone.
Sooo... how is now PS4 better? I know it has better hardware and that MS can't be trusted, but is there anything else? I lost track.
Better take care of those damned Liberals in form of MeeGo/Maemo/Sailfish !
What I don't understand is how can anyone "defend" WP8. How exactly is it better than iOS? For either users or devs?
The problem is not the lack of *spit* "apps", it's the OS itself. I seriously doubt Nokia has the ability to change MS's views on their business plans or practices, especially with Stephen "TrojanHorse" Elop...
Thank you for the clarification, I appreciate it. (I didn't want to dig through the ton of ballast to get the information I wanted, heh).
I was under the impression that what you say ("say yes to all, and then go in and turn off access to specific items") was there by default on every stock device without having to root it or anything.
And I was told that Android has had permission control for applications for a while. Was I lied to by so many independent people? That would probably make them fandroids.
Permission control is a must have for me if I'm to give the device any sensitive data...
And you trust travel advisories over those mentioned here? Funny. Nice use of The Onion logic there...
Re: For pity's sake: DON'T MOVE to the USA if you want to live
Unless you live in a country that has, you know, incomparably worse living (and dying) conditions, like Russia or some other Soviet-area country... or most of Africa and middle-east. Probably Central and South America too!
In other words, a lot of people. I wonder how many of them read The Register though...
Oh well, back to my first-world problems.
Re: The sad thing is ...
I'd rather go with MeeGo / Sailfish than touching anything Google is behind. In fact, I'd rather go with Symbian, but that's just me.
Re: 7.4 million phones = 5 days for Android
Comparing a single phone manufacturer to many others, TVs, tablets and who knows what else - all of which combined? Are you sure?
Are you suggesting that WP8 would suffer less without Windows 8? Because last time I asked, the like/dislike ratio was much better for W8 than for WP8.
Re: Is Windows Phone the new S60?
The title you used doesn't correlate with the post itself very well. In any case, I'm quite sure that such comparison is out of place.
I don't burden myself with contracts.
Before that, I used N95 (sometimes along with a WM5 PDA) for 5 years and had no reason to succumb to the touchscreen infestation.
The difference between Android and Windows Phone is that WP needs patches/updates to get a lot of very basic functions (some of which will probably never be implemented).
With the speed they're updating the OS(or in their case, making it usable), the support should last for at least 10 years.
Interesting. Any idea what's the difference between Disconnect and Ghostrery? (except for the fact that the former doesn't work on Opera 12, asks for 15)
Sure, if we can measure with childish units, like feets, inches, hands and alike, why shouldn't we all use shorthands for everything? But I digress...
Nice to see AMD doing something, at least.
Apps everywhere. I'll inst my Win progs under their full name, kthx. No need to force "cool", "modern" and "in" infantile rename on me.
For me the interesting part is the ability to resize and show more than 2 apps at a time.
Wow. That is interesting for modern users? Isn't that what Windows was originally about? You know, having several windows you can work with at the same time?
How is this even possible?
After so many fails, they still try to force things on people? Touch, Bing, "apps", other crap... It seems to me that Microsoft has lost a bet somewhere and now has to make a complete fool out of itself.
The camera is a miracle, I get it. But what about the OS, is it getting itself fixed? Before the next ice age? The number of those "little problems" one might run into with it is very alarming.
The video seems to have turned out worse judging by the last graph in the PDF.
(I wanted to share the graph directly through some image sharer, but then I thought MIT might not like that)
Personally, I find both the two faces to be very unattractive. Maybe even repulsive, they have the look of a psychopath. I'm surprised something like this hasn't been already done though.
"[The software] is designed to run on a bog standard laptop."
And as the gentleman above me mentions, it's only a training program, not a real-time live conversation helper.
Oh yes, I've hated MS dearly since they started ruining things I liked. I know things have improved, but that doesn't change the fact, that the OS is crap. Not utter crap anymore, but still crap. I have 920, it's up to date and the images are still about the same quality as N95. It may or may not get better (among with ton of other shortcomings of the OS, my list of them is growing), but like hell I'm going to comfort myself with that thought. I'm interested in what the OS is now, not in what MS keeps promising and lying about.
@I ain't Spartacus
Heh, I'm not saying that the management of Nokia is without blame on this, but what an amazing coincidence would it be that they hire a recently ex-Microsofted person and suddenly change their direction towards Microsoft? We'll probably never know the truth though, I'm just saying what seems most logical to me.
Again, I have 920, the shots could be loads better. In fact, I had two cases when it was better to take a screenshot of the camera application instead of taking the actual photo (one of the cases was 4 days ago). I admit I have no idea who makes what, but I do know that all Symbian phones take better photos than I expected them to. Everything (except the pretty shiny things) about WP8 feels so ... unfinished.
Re: hmmm? @Ben Holmes
Sure, I'm the one who supports paying them for their efforts, not paying resellers who push second-hand games because they have better profit from them. But with the virtual comes "used is literally as good as new", therefore there is no objective reason to purchase a new game. Hence my belief that second-hand games are nonsense.
Re: @Hairy Spod
The sales might be a direct result of no-resale policy, but PC games have always been cheaper than XBox or PS games. The prices seem to drop tad faster though...
Well, I'm terrible in explaining my thoughts. The video I linked explains some of it (thought I again disagree with some of his points). But I'm glad we at least agreed on disagreeing without tears, heh. I do hope that people who disagree with such practices will let them know the only way they care about (not buying the device), but I have a feeling that won't be the case... :(
Obviously answer to first two questions was "no" as both products are incomparable to software and therefore irrelevant.
Maybe authors don't complain, because all they invest into the books is time, not millions of dollars.
Software isn't physical product, it's virtual product.
The fact that you are free to resell music doesn't mean anything, physical music CDs is only one level of income for the music industry and not even the main one at that. You're still comparing it to totally different things. Games are consumables that last for lifetime.
I made several arguments before and games are hardly a "product like any other". You're free to disagree (or flat out ignore them as you seem to do that) and you can vote with your wallet. That is your right in this and I hope you'll use it.
Cars use expensive spare parts, maintenance and a used car is hardly the same quality as a new car (unlike software) and cars are incomparably more expensive, plus are rather essential part of most people's lives.
Apple gets massive margin from (again) maintenance, developers licenses and Appstore. If a game is ridden by DLCs, microtransactions and whatnot, resale fee is arguably bad.
Books are often limited goods, but I wouldn't be exactly against some similar fee when it comes to books. Of course, books of certain age should probably be freed of this charge as there wouldn't be any way to get them otherwise and I do believe that this should apply for games as well. For example, I wanted to buy a new copy (license, whatever) of Freelancer, but I couldn't, because they simply don't sell it anymore...
For most products, full control is not an issue, but software is obviously specific, because the quality doesn't worsen in time (in fact, it mostly gets better with patches) and because it doesn't make sense to me. I keep thinking of a comparison, but there isn't any, that's why the issue is so difficult to talk about.
On a semi-related note, I posted this in the previous article's discussion, but too late: http://youtu.be/2G_f8YBy39M
It is more flexible than Steam, but it's "taking away liberties". I understand it makes people upset, but they only see their point of view and they think they have rights to resell something as specific as software(it doesn't decay, doesn't need maintenance, can have services related to it, etc, etc...). Besides, nobody said all games are going to have this 'feature', it's exactly the same like with always-online: it's up to the publisher to decide.
"Redmond won't charge you any fees to do so, it's up to game publishers to decide whether it's allowed for their games"
If that means what I think it means (publishers get the money), I fully support that. Downvote me to hell, but it won't change my opinion that it's publishers who should get money for their work, not second-hand stores...
@I ain't Spartacus
Well, I guess "Nokia's choice" does apply here since Elope has already been nested firmly in Nokia by then. And speaking of processing images, don't get your hopes high, the overrated camera of 920 could take nice pictures, but what the software does to them should be punishable by cutting fingers off. And I seriously doubt Nokia can influence any of this as they seem to have become a pawn of Microsoft and its rat who became the leader investors are not exactly fond of. As for the custom GPU, that is no doubt result of Microsoft's partnership with some OEM.
I'm still waiting for how Jolla turns out as they seem to do what Nokia may have intended to do until they were assimilated by Microsoft...
Re: I've been waiting a long time for this.
I'm rather curious what's your definition of "modern OS".
Currently, these are Microsoft's flagships, I think. "Nokia had far more control over its hardware then than it does now." speaks for itself.
Well, it's not like Facebook, Twitter or Google don't collect information about you if you don't use their services.
Re: @Aoyagi Aichou
Here is something I originally didn't want to post, but I thought what the hell. Plus a new video ( http://youtu.be/2G_f8YBy39M ) turned out.
@M Gale: I'm old enough to remember that too, but I don't see how that's relevant. Maybe it has something to do with SEGA being among the richest game industry companies today? Oh wait.
I can sell my games, but I would never do that, because I'd be much happier of the buyer supported the publisher/developer instead of only a reseller. By "everyone" you mean what, the 5 people you know that do it? Or the communities founded on this whole business? Because I've asked around and nobody I asked (22 people from various countries) sells their games.
I somewhat agree with the last article though - under the current circumstances and practices anyway.
@AC: That's what MS is planning to do - not giving it to the customer. Your point?
@Greg J Preece: I don't deny this is happening. I deny knowing about this happening on a +5% scale. There is also huge difference between "I can't afford this" and "I get a game and I still have the money for weekend party".
Your melodramatic attitude is amusing. I dare because I know that the people who do that are most often, in fact, not "less fortunate". Nobody who can afford buying brand new titles is regardless of whether they sell the games to some second-hand store or not. Judging by your posts so far, you probably can't even imagine that. So yes, it would be OK for me if it followed what I said in my original post of this thread and if the money didn't go directly to MS. And yes, I'm not a huge fan of consumerism, so I can wait, buy the game when the price drops so I can afford it and still get (some of) the money to the developer/publisher and thus showing my support of what they did. It annoys me that people buy second-hand games and then complain about quality when they didn't contribute to anyone related to the game one bit. That is who I can get "all high and mighty" with and if you don't see it, we have nothing to talk about as the viewpoint you have is "it's better for me, screw everyone else, especially the people who made this great product and that are doing these great services".
@Roz: How could you compare something that suffers with aging, breakdowns, crashes, new parts and so on with software that is being patched? I don't think that's possible. (In fact I know, but I don't want to sound rude)
I apologize to any Americans not falling under the "consumerist American dream" stereotype, it's what usually comes to mind with impatient buyers who think they have the right to get the prices they can afford. What it had to do with second hand games was that someone said something along the lines of "think of the children who can't afford new games!". And yes, I like what you called the country I live in (that being Czech Rep.), because it's closer to truth than you might think :)
@Daniel B.: Actually, I wasn't talking about my country, I never am when speaking in general scope. The thing that I don't understand is why can't people wait a few months. I don't have the money to buy more than one (or two if I save upfront) new PC games more than bi-monthly either, but instead I buy several older games, some of them on sale. Hm, I think Reg. should make an analysis of the entire topic and its impacts (I only know of one which merely claimed that second-hand sales have incredibly lowered in the past 15 years). Anyway, I guess that if people started actually waiting for the prices to drop, they would eventually start dropping a lot faster. Look at what happened in Russia....
@DougS: Books are physical goods that has limited numbers, cars age. Incomparable
@sena.akada: Actually I believe what you paid for is a nicely packed license agreement that allows you using the software (which is still getting patches, updates, etc). As I said before though, if MS plans to implement this in the mentioned price with current practices and both while keeping the money to themselves, it's not acceptable on any level I can think of. Then again, I doubt the customers would bother to move to PS4 and thus expressing a no-no to Microsoft, we'll see about that.
@DavCrav: See above, aggressive person.
@David Webb: Can't disagree with that, but mainly because you use "they are losing nothing", which is the same argument for some piracy advocates. Even as a mere fan of several smaller developers I hate to think how much more money would they get if the second-hand buyers would wait a but and purchase it later, heh. A lawsuit would be nice as well as someone finally making clear whether software is service or product and what are the rights related to that.
@Ken Hagan: If you ask me, I'll always chose the originally cheaper, because I don't resell them... Also I think they give a third of the original price at best. The industry might make one 8 £ sale and one 4 £ sale later. I find that to be better for all, but it seems I might be the most patient person in the world judging by some of the enraged reactions here ^^
@Charles 9: Is Valve actually forbidding customers to sell their accounts? I think they do, just making sure.
@tom dial: Again with the cars? And I think that it's only logical that if someone sells their software, they won't be able to use it anymore.
@oldskool: It is always beneficial for someone or some thing. Good for someone or something. I can't think of anything that's beneficial for everyone and everything. Artificial restrictions? Of course, why don't they just remove all the restrictions and make the all the software open source? Yeah, that would be great business model. Of course people don't need to learn patience, but then people like you all come and claim that they have rights to do something with a product/service/whatever and to do it now. Makes me sad, really.
@DougS: Cars and other finished products again...
For the record, I do not agree with what MS is apparently about to do and I hope all of their management and other leaders will get fired as soon as possible. Whoever accused me of MS fanboyism probably didn't read my posts in other MS-related topics. What I do think, however, is that taxing second-hand sales certain way under certain conditions (mainly money going to devs and none of those idiotic practices like Live Gold, region locks, spying or banning small publishers, etc, etc...) might actually be beneficial to those who deserve it. "Reasonable" was probably poor wording in the original post.
Re: symbian vs windows phone
" It's quickly obvious that Windows Phone is a really young OS, compared to the feature rich and "mature" Symbian, There are so many little features that are missing from WP8."
Heh, you're putting it quite lightly. I do wonder what exactly is the relationship between Nokia and MS though. So far (ever since WP7 came out) it seems that Microsoft is merely using Nokia's name and assets and lets them do their Nokia progs ("here", etc).
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