174 posts • joined 3 Mar 2012
I'm not sure if you understand, but the fact that there is no choice is the problem.
Of course, I went back to Symbian, which has none of this stupidification.
Oh, you assume I use any of those and that if I used them, I would synchronize them with my phone. Funny, in a sad way.
Oh god... Please, do you think I don't know that it's locked down intentionally? Do you think that I care about that? If I wanted a tightly closed toy OS, I'd go with Apple. There is security and then there is annoyance. If they wanted the former, they would give users an option to toggle sandboxing almost EVERYTHING. Even if it was only on first startup.
Thank you for having me repeat things I've repeated about ten times before. "backup" does not say ONE WORD about contacts or calendar. Even if it did (it doesn't), it would be too late, because the phone kindly asks you to import your contacts via Bluetooth on first startup before you have any chance of changing any of these options.
No, it doesn't act like a storage mode, it acts like a "device" mode. I don't know the technical terms for either, but the fact that it shows under "Portable Devices" and not "Removable Disc" should give you a slight hint.
Yeah, no. I'm not letting Google (or poor engineering in case of Samsung) take over my most personal device. If I had to buy a phone today, it would be Jolla. But my 808 would have to die first.
Yes, it's "usable", but it's still more of a toy than a something useful for work (i.e. a tool). At least the "download" folder I read about suggests that now I'll be actually able to download anything I want -and- access it from a PC. What science! Now if only the one usable file explorer wasn't paid and extremely limited in what it can do. If only there was a way to opt out of "we save all your private data to the clod". If only I could rebind or simply get rid of that "search" button. If only there was a way to tell applications what can they access. If only there was a "storage" mode, not just "device" for connecting the phone to a PC with USB...
AND SO ON
Features that should have been there when WP was first released, not YEARS after.
Makes me wonder how is the thing moving vertically.
I see the obsession with the word "app" is reaching new levels when "coder", "programmer" and other nice words (even simply "developer) have been replaced with "app developer". And I'm pretty sure she doesn't mean designers, because there is plenty of women in that sector.
Also, I'd like to see the study, please.
Re: Utterly desperate move
I like the idea of Nokia keeping Symbian and Meego (or Sailfish) alive much more than yet another large phonemaker becoming Google toy.
No, that's a list of facts. I am, actually, using a different phone after suffering 9 months with Lumia 920. But that's another typical fanboy response "If you don't like it, don't buy it and YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CRITICIZE IT!!!!111". I think all that's missing from the list is that several of the issues can be "fixed" with 3rd party applications. Most hilarious.
Well that's nice. You can't " Prevent Apps performing unauthorised functions or accessing unauthorized data", becaues there is no access rights management in WP. And other than this, any mobile OS (including S40) can meet your silly requirements. WP is not fast either, it's ridden by lengthy animations that make it seem fast. And application ecosystem is something I don't care about, 1st party features is what's most important.
But wait, you asked what's wrong? A couple of things:
Limited settings (can't even control the annoying search button),
No application data access management,
No task proper manager(fixed),
Trying to force me to use clouds by "either give us all your contacts or no marketplace for you" which is (for me) unacceptable (there is a workaround for this),
"back" instead of "start" or "close",
unable to connect a PC to internet using USB cable,
sending business cards is obnoxious and sometimes doesn't work,
Cannot install anything outside of the store,
No file explorer (with sending files over BT) or access to the system and application files,
No direct Outlook sync,
No music player that can sort by folders (and playlists are less efficient) or play by search like VLC,
Only global volume control (plus on phone),
Can't see the amount of transfered data for the last 30 days (fixed),
Can't uninstall things like "games" or "calculator",
Can't download whatever I want,
Can't get rid of the message preview that pops up at top whenever a text message arrives,
Can't set static IP for WiFi,
Can't lock screen rotation,
Files disappear after uninstalling handler (uninstalling PDF reader also deletes all PDF files),
can't make application folders or sort applications,
USB mode slow, loading all photos takes ages (no mass storage connection, only as "device),
Carrier controls things they shouldn't get their hands on (data sense)(fixed?),
cannot set numeric keyboard as the main keyboard,
camera sw terrible (blur, no light focus, quality, http://www.flickr.com/groups/808pureview/discuss/72157632814226283 ) (fixed),
saving new number (ADD DESCRIPTION),
doing offline things online (help, privacy statments, ...),
no option for opting out of all "automated feedback",
can't set a song as ringtone,
messaging is broken when a contact has more than one number on it,
"me" in contacts (don't use it, takes up a ton of space),
no way to manage vibrations,
no alternate keyboards,
WiFi dies when the phone locks (fixed),
no blocked contacts(fixed),
no USB host,
no click to call in browser (clicking/tapping/touching a phone number on the web should call the number),
browser page loading is terrible (fail in midload makes loaded content disappear),
obnoxious useless buttons (like "more details"),
saving recorded videos into "Pictures",
some 'apps' can run in the background and there is nothing you can do about it (both stock and 3rd party),
no custom sounds,
no call recording,
No choice of USB mode (device, zune, modem, storage... http://i.imgur.com/0jnP9Qs.png ).,
Cannot see files copied to phone, unless office files or media,
Preinstalled "apps" not visible on the store (glance, etc),
insufficient and unwanted presets (such as in calendar "how long"),
unnecessary dropdown menus for binary choices,
IE has only 6 tabs max,
can't kill music player,
"needs wifi" for things (screenshot),
unable to select videos in gallery selecting,
quicknotes autosync without opt out option,
no custom message sounds,
no "select all" in most places (wifi networks, notes,
No BT settings (visibility, paired devices, access rights...),
update unreversably changed message sounds,
unable to adjust things that are off (internet sharing, use of location on photos...),
no way to summon first time help/tips/etc.,
"captured by" in gallery,
contact doesn't have SMS option when the number isn't designated as "mobile",
can't manually check for application updates,
IE cannot save MP3 (and who knows what else),
IE cannot open tabs on background,
screenshoting makes loud sound regardless of sound settings,
redundancy in options "phone storage" and "storage check",
checking for update takes bloody forever,
IE can't access websites on custom ports,
Yes, I'm aware some of the things are related to each other, can't keep track of all the shortcomings of the OS.
Have a nice day, I'm already looking forward to your fanboyish answer along the lines of "YOU DON'T NEED ANY OF THIS" or "This will come in the future™ !" And for the record, don't compare it to one OS. Compare it to iOS, Android, Sailfish, Symbian and Windows Mobile.
That's nice of them
But I would be infinitely happier if they focused on fixing the OS and puring features into it.
Hey, I'm using Symbian (after being disappointed by WP8) and I'm more than happy with it.
Two issues fixed a year? That might take a while as I have ~50 of them. Glacial update speed is the last thing an immature OS needs.
I bet most people just don't give a damn what happens with the data about them. And I can't think of any argument useful against "So what they know where I live, who I talk to and where I work? I have nothing to hide.".
Good thing I travel only in Prague (OpenCard can be completely anonymous, albeit more expensive) or in Tokyo (Suica is anonymous). But yeah, it's unfortunate that they're systematically killing all the ways. :( .
I'd rather ride a bike or use public transport to get around than ever buying a "connected" car. At least until online privacy becomes clear, transparent and acceptable (other than "everything is available to everyone). Or until I find someone who knows what they're doing and can disable the hardware.
Google as an ISP? Doesn't that mean TOR-only connection for people who have a slight idea of what privacy is? All that's left is Google becoming a cellphone network operator (whatever you call them) and the company that "safeguards" our medical and bank records.
Hah, that's ironic, I didn't switch over to Mini because of that... but clearly I forgot. Thanks for reminding me.
Re: Almost done with Opera
Most of the work is done on their remote servers.
Isn't that just when you enable Turbo? Pretty sure it is.
Re: Linux support
Questions about Linux version are asked under every update blog post. No answers. I heard they just don't care about it for now. (I'd say it was obvious, heh)
Re: Almost done with Opera
Just out of curiosity, how is Mini not "real browser"?
That is so sad. Really, really sad that a company based on such great principles dropped so low. I am still running on Opera 12 as well since 19 has nothing to offer and there is no browser like Opera 12 (SeaMonkey is probably the closest, Otter is in way too early development stages). Curse the board for ruining my internet experience. Ruining a whole company, in fact.
Normally I'd say something along the lines of "finally something I like to hear from MS after years of hate", but there is too many things that can be "the catch" to ruin it with and I'm absolutely sure Microsoft will ruin it.
Nice marketing though.
Re: Dead Platform
- Arguing about VPN support with you is useless as you use words like "commit". Good marketing talk.
- You seem to lack understanding of the meaning of "1st party"
- I'm not interested in "not going to happen FUR SECUERITE!" . I can take care of my own security, provided the tools, and no idiotic company can force me to limit functions in my device in the name of so-called security.
- And this point, file explorer, merely proves what a complete troll you are. Or just a filthy liar. It's not 1st party application (i.e. security and privacy risks), it has access only to its own limited (sandboxed) space so the user can't open the files there. Oh, and it's basically useless without an SD card (hello Lumia 920) and even then its isolation makes it further useless. Oh, and did you know that you can't download just any file you want? Drivers for your notebook, for example? Of course you didn't, you think "enterprise" is Facebook and Twitter.
- I don't need to root my PureView 808 to install anything outside from the store. I don't need to do any of that crap you call "fully automated".
- Again, I don't care it's similar to Android or iOS. I don't care about the two OSes at all. I only care about WP8 because I used it for several months and I dedicated some of my online time to fighting the deluded fanboys and trolls/liars/lesser minds like you. It's mildly entertaining.
- No, it cannot, actually, be disabled. "tin foil hat" argument, really? Pathetic.
- The competition (Android) can sort files into folders. That's a pretty key feature for using a device for work. Windows phone doesn't even know the word "sort" or "folder". Recently released"App Folder" application is merely a proof how wrong and dumb Microsoft is.
- I bet you doubt it. Too bad your doubts aren't relevant to anything and you that talk like an MS marketing employee. "Functional" and "efficient" says nothing about real functionality. And anything would be secure if it was sandboxed, that's just lazy approach so that simpletons like yourself have at least one real argument to throw. Then again, the security isn't exactly great considering the user can't set application's rights. Fail.
There. 10 minutes spent on replying to an antiEadon, oh well...
I just wish the entire management of MS would decide that this isn't the right job for them and let Microsoft be reborn. I can't imagine how could it be worse than it is right now. It's so slow that it's still adapting to 3 years old trends and they're doing that poorly and it doesn't care one bit about what its customers say. All they care about are sales, pre-orders and "automated feedback". And I doubt Microsoft can learn any of these things from Nokia's division, which isn't the same it was 4 years ago anyway.
Well, I presume it's running faster because of lack of features, weak multitasking and being new. It also seems it's running faster than it really is because of the lengthy animations.
I can name a lot of reasons (same with any other platform), but I don't know what do you (or your old man) care about. Though I guess if you're OK with completely closed OS, mandatory Live and Bing services and TIFKAM, it should be fine.
Re: Re: Dead Platform
Windows Phone has it's space - especially in the corporate / enterprise market
Hah! Allow me to laugh at you bitterly. Where is the promised VPN? It's been promised since the beginning. Where is some good 1st party application suite? Option to un-sandbox some/all applications and adding a file explorer? Installing applications outside of the store is pain in the back, not to mention the necessity to have a live.com account to use the smartphone features, few as they are, which immediately starts uploading all your contacts, calendar and all that to Microsoft's power-of-the-cloud servers. I still have a very long list of shortcomings of WP8, some of them are pretty major.
The OS is trying to look like an enterprise OS, at the same time it's trying to look like "cool" OS and manages to do neither well enough to say that it's better than Windows Mobile. You can guess why it's WM being used in some handheld terminals, not WP. The system is incomplete (or immature) and considering the current update speed, it will take Microsoft about 5 years to make it at least as feature-rich as Android, iOS, Windows Mobile or Symbian.
You talk exactly as every WP fan. "It looks pretty and look at the Fecesbook! More WP than iOS in Uzbekistan!" Sickening.
I don't actually understand what you mean by that. It does many things better than iOS, and performs better than Android.
Please, tell me what are these practical advantages you speak of. And before you start spewing out lies, I'll tell you that I had to suffer about 9 months of living with Lumia 920. Then I bought a used Symbian phone.
Re: Well then, good news!
Why, this is excellent news, thank you for sharing. Although I'm useless for coding and I'm not sure so few people could succeed without some real community involvement and influx of future users.
Modern technology trends have taught me that nice things generally don't turn out well :(
Instead of lightning speed, I would very much prefer more first party features, kinda (exactly) like Opera 11 (and 12 to lesser degree) did it.
Too bad he (Snowden) didn't mention some specific reasons or examples why privacy is so important. It's very clear that a lot of people need that and are too lazy to do the research themselves.
Yandex? Chinese investors?
I was a fan of this project, but now I'm very skeptical... It seems to be very focused on Asian market. And it also seems to be suffering a sort of split personality of wanting to be both open, capable and advance and at the same time it seems to want to be accessible to masses...
Re: Effect on WP
Gotta love it how people keep flat out lying about the bloody search button. No, you can not change it on any Windows Phone device. All you can change is default browser search engine, but that has nothing to do with the button itself.
Re: Effect on WP
Maybe the button would be disabled then... which would be probably the first good thing about WP devices.
That reminds me, is an article summarizing Ballmer's reign planned? (Or has one been released here and I missed it?)
What a puffy unsurprise
Dear Microsoft, you can stick your clouds, touch interfaces and marketplaces where sun never shines if you try to feed them to my OS (touch of course has its place on Surface Pro and phones).
I would have expected greater mentions of these two...
That's why I'm never getting a car that connects to the internet, has some wireless functions (other than locking)...
If I can avoid it anyway.
Now if only it was "the right time" for Elop and this place will probably be a much happier place. Hopefully they won't replace Ballmer with some other crazy person.
Re: Big screen with WP = big fail.
Not everyone uses Exchange and the point of direct Outlook sync would be synchronization without some other party, like cloud or server.
How exactly do you transfer a file over WLAN? Assuming you could access a random file, which you can't.
I disagree, better a hippy garden with a frackton of plants in it than a walled garden, which is almost empty and inconsistent and the plants that it has are too young to be shown (used) or too simple.
Oh yes, I keep forgetting about that "mandatory Kinect purchase" part... Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if M$ announced that customers can buy a Kinect-free XBone.
Sooo... how is now PS4 better? I know it has better hardware and that MS can't be trusted, but is there anything else? I lost track.
Better take care of those damned Liberals in form of MeeGo/Maemo/Sailfish !
What I don't understand is how can anyone "defend" WP8. How exactly is it better than iOS? For either users or devs?
The problem is not the lack of *spit* "apps", it's the OS itself. I seriously doubt Nokia has the ability to change MS's views on their business plans or practices, especially with Stephen "TrojanHorse" Elop...
Thank you for the clarification, I appreciate it. (I didn't want to dig through the ton of ballast to get the information I wanted, heh).
I was under the impression that what you say ("say yes to all, and then go in and turn off access to specific items") was there by default on every stock device without having to root it or anything.
And I was told that Android has had permission control for applications for a while. Was I lied to by so many independent people? That would probably make them fandroids.
Permission control is a must have for me if I'm to give the device any sensitive data...
Re: For pity's sake: DON'T MOVE to the USA if you want to live
Unless you live in a country that has, you know, incomparably worse living (and dying) conditions, like Russia or some other Soviet-area country... or most of Africa and middle-east. Probably Central and South America too!
In other words, a lot of people. I wonder how many of them read The Register though...
Oh well, back to my first-world problems.