Re: Does not look like a good proposition for desktop app developers
"ability to work with huge data sets off line"
Microsoft doesn't believe in that any more. Your Windows One as well as Office One data will be in OneDrive and that's that.
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"ability to work with huge data sets off line"
Microsoft doesn't believe in that any more. Your Windows One as well as Office One data will be in OneDrive and that's that.
Yes, that's what WP needs. Even more overuse of the word "app". And more web wrapper-like things. So basically, they're just trying to make another DirectX and lock developers into their ecosystem. Again.
Well it's a team of ~20 people, I don't think they can make a new layout engine... Now if Opera stopped being a wankers and released Presto source....!
I would love some Skype alternative, especially considering the latest development of the once good service/client. But MegaChat is in-browser, that's not very practical. Would any of you happen to know of some service that could do IM and voice calls? I don't really care about video calls (never seen anyone intentionally use it) or mobile clients.
Ideally something where Microsoft, Google, Apple or Facebook aren't involved.
See, there's an "if" in that full truth. And I thought that in the IT world, it's assumed everyone has software up to date, especially when it comes to an online service's client.
Apparently that was already fixed.
Enlightening, thank you. I'll have to see these QDs with my own eyes.
While I don't consider 4K to be the next big thing, I've been waiting for a consumer OLED display for a while. Every time I see one displayed somewhere the blacks just fascinate me, especially considering I have to deal with an IPS panel at home, which has almost blinding blacks.
LG showed a nice OLED display at CES. As well as an 8K TV... oh well.
Information density is what I loved about it. But that's not very "in". Wasting space is, though!
First they (the MPs) would need to have some other belief than money, influence and short working hours.
That's why you use Chropera.
I believe MS' idea is that their mobiles will be running something called Windows 10, not Windows Phone 10.
I heard about that as well, but it seems to be just a branding thing. And if they do change the naming like that, they'll become scumbags of the year.
Marketing aside, I'd like to know how was/is Android more capable than Symbian, thank you. (Note that I'm asking about the OS)
I'm curious, how are HTC, Sony or Motorola devices worse than Samsung's?
Well, the Cadillacs (STS and 2008 CTS) seem OK. I mean, I haven't heard of any notable issues with them, unlike the newer ones or the older ones.
Yep, still using PC Suite for my 808 Pureview. I think I can live without Facebook, Twitter, advertisements, clouds, stores and all that crap that plagues all the modern devices.
I doubt this is meant as a complete substitute for local rendering. More of a help for it. Additionally, I bet the marketing wankers at Microsoft will tell us that any side-effects from this are actually a feature. Excessive blur? That's only DoF! Not always 100% precise control of the player character's movements? Well, you can't 100% control you body, too! I already feel the rage.
>"these tools were (hopefully temporarily) removed"
They removed a lot of features and I doubt they're coming back, Dragonfly included.
I see marketing of some companies has the same manners as communist propaganda. Wow....
For most disk-related issues, I recommend Rutime's software (from runtime.org), GetDataBack is quite well known, I think.
It's probably that Cortana can read your emails (while seeding "anonymous" "statistics" to MS).
And that's why MS keeps failing over and over again. "Mobile" in the sense of WP is a terrible concept of closing everything down and controlling the user, unlike in Windows Mobile . At least 5.
As for the cloud thing, well screw them and anyone trying to force people into giving them all files.
>They **ALL** suck.
Thank you for saying that. I'm still waiting for a proper replacement for my 808, which I still use after suffering through months of WP8 and while Symbian is not exactly flawless, it's far from being as obnoxious as the rest.
I'm not sure if you understand, but the fact that there is no choice is the problem.
Of course, I went back to Symbian, which has none of this stupidification.
Oh, you assume I use any of those and that if I used them, I would synchronize them with my phone. Funny, in a sad way.
Oh god... Please, do you think I don't know that it's locked down intentionally? Do you think that I care about that? If I wanted a tightly closed toy OS, I'd go with Apple. There is security and then there is annoyance. If they wanted the former, they would give users an option to toggle sandboxing almost EVERYTHING. Even if it was only on first startup.
Thank you for having me repeat things I've repeated about ten times before. "backup" does not say ONE WORD about contacts or calendar. Even if it did (it doesn't), it would be too late, because the phone kindly asks you to import your contacts via Bluetooth on first startup before you have any chance of changing any of these options.
No, it doesn't act like a storage mode, it acts like a "device" mode. I don't know the technical terms for either, but the fact that it shows under "Portable Devices" and not "Removable Disc" should give you a slight hint.
Yeah, no. I'm not letting Google (or poor engineering in case of Samsung) take over my most personal device. If I had to buy a phone today, it would be Jolla. But my 808 would have to die first.
Yes, it's "usable", but it's still more of a toy than a something useful for work (i.e. a tool). At least the "download" folder I read about suggests that now I'll be actually able to download anything I want -and- access it from a PC. What science! Now if only the one usable file explorer wasn't paid and extremely limited in what it can do. If only there was a way to opt out of "we save all your private data to the clod". If only I could rebind or simply get rid of that "search" button. If only there was a way to tell applications what can they access. If only there was a "storage" mode, not just "device" for connecting the phone to a PC with USB...
AND SO ON
Features that should have been there when WP was first released, not YEARS after.
Makes me wonder how is the thing moving vertically.
I see the obsession with the word "app" is reaching new levels when "coder", "programmer" and other nice words (even simply "developer) have been replaced with "app developer". And I'm pretty sure she doesn't mean designers, because there is plenty of women in that sector.
Also, I'd like to see the study, please.
I like the idea of Nokia keeping Symbian and Meego (or Sailfish) alive much more than yet another large phonemaker becoming Google toy.
No, that's a list of facts. I am, actually, using a different phone after suffering 9 months with Lumia 920. But that's another typical fanboy response "If you don't like it, don't buy it and YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CRITICIZE IT!!!!111". I think all that's missing from the list is that several of the issues can be "fixed" with 3rd party applications. Most hilarious.
Well that's nice. You can't " Prevent Apps performing unauthorised functions or accessing unauthorized data", becaues there is no access rights management in WP. And other than this, any mobile OS (including S40) can meet your silly requirements. WP is not fast either, it's ridden by lengthy animations that make it seem fast. And application ecosystem is something I don't care about, 1st party features is what's most important.
But wait, you asked what's wrong? A couple of things:
Limited settings (can't even control the annoying search button),
No application data access management,
No task proper manager(fixed),
Trying to force me to use clouds by "either give us all your contacts or no marketplace for you" which is (for me) unacceptable (there is a workaround for this),
"back" instead of "start" or "close",
unable to connect a PC to internet using USB cable,
sending business cards is obnoxious and sometimes doesn't work,
Cannot install anything outside of the store,
No file explorer (with sending files over BT) or access to the system and application files,
No direct Outlook sync,
No music player that can sort by folders (and playlists are less efficient) or play by search like VLC,
Only global volume control (plus on phone),
Can't see the amount of transfered data for the last 30 days (fixed),
Can't uninstall things like "games" or "calculator",
Can't download whatever I want,
Can't get rid of the message preview that pops up at top whenever a text message arrives,
Can't set static IP for WiFi,
Can't lock screen rotation,
Files disappear after uninstalling handler (uninstalling PDF reader also deletes all PDF files),
can't make application folders or sort applications,
USB mode slow, loading all photos takes ages (no mass storage connection, only as "device),
Carrier controls things they shouldn't get their hands on (data sense)(fixed?),
cannot set numeric keyboard as the main keyboard,
camera sw terrible (blur, no light focus, quality, http://www.flickr.com/groups/808pureview/discuss/72157632814226283 ) (fixed),
saving new number (ADD DESCRIPTION),
doing offline things online (help, privacy statments, ...),
no option for opting out of all "automated feedback",
can't set a song as ringtone,
messaging is broken when a contact has more than one number on it,
"me" in contacts (don't use it, takes up a ton of space),
no way to manage vibrations,
no alternate keyboards,
WiFi dies when the phone locks (fixed),
no blocked contacts(fixed),
no USB host,
no click to call in browser (clicking/tapping/touching a phone number on the web should call the number),
browser page loading is terrible (fail in midload makes loaded content disappear),
obnoxious useless buttons (like "more details"),
saving recorded videos into "Pictures",
some 'apps' can run in the background and there is nothing you can do about it (both stock and 3rd party),
no custom sounds,
no call recording,
No choice of USB mode (device, zune, modem, storage... http://i.imgur.com/0jnP9Qs.png ).,
Cannot see files copied to phone, unless office files or media,
Preinstalled "apps" not visible on the store (glance, etc),
insufficient and unwanted presets (such as in calendar "how long"),
unnecessary dropdown menus for binary choices,
IE has only 6 tabs max,
can't kill music player,
"needs wifi" for things (screenshot),
unable to select videos in gallery selecting,
quicknotes autosync without opt out option,
no custom message sounds,
no "select all" in most places (wifi networks, notes,
No BT settings (visibility, paired devices, access rights...),
update unreversably changed message sounds,
unable to adjust things that are off (internet sharing, use of location on photos...),
no way to summon first time help/tips/etc.,
"captured by" in gallery,
contact doesn't have SMS option when the number isn't designated as "mobile",
can't manually check for application updates,
IE cannot save MP3 (and who knows what else),
IE cannot open tabs on background,
screenshoting makes loud sound regardless of sound settings,
redundancy in options "phone storage" and "storage check",
checking for update takes bloody forever,
IE can't access websites on custom ports,
Yes, I'm aware some of the things are related to each other, can't keep track of all the shortcomings of the OS.
Have a nice day, I'm already looking forward to your fanboyish answer along the lines of "YOU DON'T NEED ANY OF THIS" or "This will come in the future™ !" And for the record, don't compare it to one OS. Compare it to iOS, Android, Sailfish, Symbian and Windows Mobile.
But I would be infinitely happier if they focused on fixing the OS and puring features into it.
Hey, I'm using Symbian (after being disappointed by WP8) and I'm more than happy with it.
Two issues fixed a year? That might take a while as I have ~50 of them. Glacial update speed is the last thing an immature OS needs.
I bet most people just don't give a damn what happens with the data about them. And I can't think of any argument useful against "So what they know where I live, who I talk to and where I work? I have nothing to hide.".
Good thing I travel only in Prague (OpenCard can be completely anonymous, albeit more expensive) or in Tokyo (Suica is anonymous). But yeah, it's unfortunate that they're systematically killing all the ways. :( .
I'd rather ride a bike or use public transport to get around than ever buying a "connected" car. At least until online privacy becomes clear, transparent and acceptable (other than "everything is available to everyone). Or until I find someone who knows what they're doing and can disable the hardware.
Google as an ISP? Doesn't that mean TOR-only connection for people who have a slight idea of what privacy is? All that's left is Google becoming a cellphone network operator (whatever you call them) and the company that "safeguards" our medical and bank records.
Hah, that's ironic, I didn't switch over to Mini because of that... but clearly I forgot. Thanks for reminding me.
Most of the work is done on their remote servers.
Isn't that just when you enable Turbo? Pretty sure it is.
Questions about Linux version are asked under every update blog post. No answers. I heard they just don't care about it for now. (I'd say it was obvious, heh)
Just out of curiosity, how is Mini not "real browser"?
That is so sad. Really, really sad that a company based on such great principles dropped so low. I am still running on Opera 12 as well since 19 has nothing to offer and there is no browser like Opera 12 (SeaMonkey is probably the closest, Otter is in way too early development stages). Curse the board for ruining my internet experience. Ruining a whole company, in fact.
Normally I'd say something along the lines of "finally something I like to hear from MS after years of hate", but there is too many things that can be "the catch" to ruin it with and I'm absolutely sure Microsoft will ruin it.
Nice marketing though.
- Arguing about VPN support with you is useless as you use words like "commit". Good marketing talk.
- You seem to lack understanding of the meaning of "1st party"
- I'm not interested in "not going to happen FUR SECUERITE!" . I can take care of my own security, provided the tools, and no idiotic company can force me to limit functions in my device in the name of so-called security.
- And this point, file explorer, merely proves what a complete troll you are. Or just a filthy liar. It's not 1st party application (i.e. security and privacy risks), it has access only to its own limited (sandboxed) space so the user can't open the files there. Oh, and it's basically useless without an SD card (hello Lumia 920) and even then its isolation makes it further useless. Oh, and did you know that you can't download just any file you want? Drivers for your notebook, for example? Of course you didn't, you think "enterprise" is Facebook and Twitter.
- I don't need to root my PureView 808 to install anything outside from the store. I don't need to do any of that crap you call "fully automated".
- Again, I don't care it's similar to Android or iOS. I don't care about the two OSes at all. I only care about WP8 because I used it for several months and I dedicated some of my online time to fighting the deluded fanboys and trolls/liars/lesser minds like you. It's mildly entertaining.
- No, it cannot, actually, be disabled. "tin foil hat" argument, really? Pathetic.
- The competition (Android) can sort files into folders. That's a pretty key feature for using a device for work. Windows phone doesn't even know the word "sort" or "folder". Recently released"App Folder" application is merely a proof how wrong and dumb Microsoft is.
- I bet you doubt it. Too bad your doubts aren't relevant to anything and you that talk like an MS marketing employee. "Functional" and "efficient" says nothing about real functionality. And anything would be secure if it was sandboxed, that's just lazy approach so that simpletons like yourself have at least one real argument to throw. Then again, the security isn't exactly great considering the user can't set application's rights. Fail.
There. 10 minutes spent on replying to an antiEadon, oh well...
I just wish the entire management of MS would decide that this isn't the right job for them and let Microsoft be reborn. I can't imagine how could it be worse than it is right now. It's so slow that it's still adapting to 3 years old trends and they're doing that poorly and it doesn't care one bit about what its customers say. All they care about are sales, pre-orders and "automated feedback". And I doubt Microsoft can learn any of these things from Nokia's division, which isn't the same it was 4 years ago anyway.
Well, I presume it's running faster because of lack of features, weak multitasking and being new. It also seems it's running faster than it really is because of the lengthy animations.