82 posts • joined Monday 13th February 2012 21:37 GMT
"Sort of reminds me of the playground games, My Father earns more than your father. No he does not, mine earns more.
It does not matter who earns more or who's device is best. Whatever makes the family member/device owner the happiest then that is the best. All subjective naturally."
Agreed. with regard to functionality IOS/WP/Android are pretty much on par. That said it is the case that certain fans (read:journalists), such as the likes of Charles Arthur at the Guardian (previously of this church?) feel it necessary to find new metrics to prove that apple are the "best", rah rah rah. By way of an example only last week he told us that market share is meaningless (without concrete of the installed base- fair enough- good point), prior to that he posted a link that suggested that WP8 must be crap because you can't play Candy Crush on it Retina? God's gift to mankind, someone betters it and it becomes a gimmick....
TBF he is not the only sycophant/apologist/iFan but (IMO) he demonstrates my point pretty succinctly. So much so that long standing regulars at the guardian eff'd off and set up their own playground (some had little choice as their accounts had been deleted, eg me, for being snarky and not towing the company line).
In principle, there is nothing wrong with playgrounds............ so long as they are level.........
Why are Apple fans in a perpetual cycle of looking for new metrics to "prove" that their iWhatever is the best?
Android usurps iOS's market share and the fanbois point out that that iOS has a greater share of browsing or that users click on more adverts.
Some one points out that Apple make abnormal profits from their customers and they retort that they have higher resale values or that "poor" people really want an Apple device but can't afford it.
As someone that has had touchscreen smartphones since 2004 I have never cared how many people around me have the same handset, nor have I cared about the amount of profit that vendor makes (provided that they make enough to remain in business). And at no point would I feel proud to think that I was being charged a premium for a device that is on par with other items.
Re: There's cheap and then there's cheap
"You can hardly compare Applecare to the statutory warranty. Applecare is in addition to your statutory rights (of course) and means they provide more support (for example including their software) and gives enhanced support - i.e. instant swap out and none of this return to manufacturer and it's away for 3+ weeks."
"Enhanced support"? And where in the T&Cs does it state that AppleCare customers are entitled to device swap out?
More support? Most OEMs offer a two year warranty throughout the EU, they too provide limited software support.
AppleCare Plus- just an insurance policy (priced at £79). Personally I expect to see Apple charging people the excess for items that should otherwise be covered by the Sales of goods Act. Dodgy home button- that'll be £50 to repair please.
AppleCare+ only entitles owners to a replacement (read: reconditioned unit) in the event that AIG decide that a repair is uneconomical- which is pretty much consistent with most insurance policies. In many cases owners might be better off with 3rd party policies which also cover theft/loss.
It never ceases to amaze me that that Apple owners bang on about the exceptional build quality of Apple devices yet never question why a premium priced product has the worst warranty duration.
What like 3G, GPS, video recording?
Multitouch is the only major "gift" that I can think of.
Or by innovations do you mean that they once had the ability to make grown journalists wet their seats at keynote speeches?
Re: iPad Mini 2
Why does everyone assume that Apple will add retina to the Ipad Mini? The MB Air still has a shit screen.
You can start by flooding the sender of the offending text with clean texts, this will push the naughty text off the screen. I guess that you will have problems if you try to go through the text history though.
You could try asking apple but they (still) haven't publically acknowledged the bug, and thus accordingly aren't offering public advice.
Re: Apple Unicode of Death news embargo?
Thanks for the reply, and apologies for the tardy reply.
Apropos " the interest of responsible disclosure" and "At worst it would be an annoyance."- My choice of terms was perhaps ill advised. it was an attempt to circumnavigate the "responsible disclosure" counter argument. By that, I mean that I agree that publicising a flaw that would result in owners' bank accounts or personal data being compromised might be seen as irresponsible. In this case there is no known security risk.
BTW I see that you have now posted the article. Kudos. It certainly seems to be the most in depth that I have seen thus far.
Tnx, and apologies for being impatient.
I agree that if nobody covers it, it will be a non story. If only 0.0001% of the world know about the bug then those tempted to abuse it will have a negligible effect. Apple owners will continue to believe that Apple's are perfect and impregnable.
A few weeks later a similar bug will be found in WP or Android, this time though the press will be all over it. Apple owners will continue to believe that Apple's are perfect and impregnable...
The degree of disruption thus far has been mitigated not through Apple's actions but because the likes of FaceBook have been blocking the code.
Is this really less of a non-story than who the founder of google is shagging?
Apple Unicode of Death news embargo?
The Register became aware of the fact that an Arabic string of text could crash iphone and Macs apps since Thursday. Almost 48 hours later they have not covered the story.
Of the organs with sizable readers, Ars Technia, Tech Crunch and even Charles Arthur at the Guardian have covered the story. Mentions in the Reg? NONE.
I could understand if the exploit was being used to steal confidential info or money from Apple owners, but it is not. At worst it would be an annoyance.
Apple have been aware of the bug for 6 months. they fixed it iOS7 and Mavericks but thus far don't seem to give a toss about current users.
I don't expect this kind of censorship from you guys.
Sorry but p!ssed off..
Is this a cheaper way for Apple to deal with the Unicode of Death?
"No we won't fix the crashing bug, but you can have a discounted iOS7 phone instead"
S'funny how this organ has stayed quiet about the whole debacle, even the guardian covered it
Re: Here is an even bigger story
sorry it is Unicode not Arabic
Here is an even bigger story
so we all know that iShineys and Macs just work..
TechCrunch are reporting that Arabic text can crash your Apple
The text is gonna be all over the Twitterverse and people are gonna be sitting outside starbucks, changing the ssid of their hotspot to crash iwhatevers .
Re: Oh dear fscking Lord...
I thought that they held off MMS because the early phones were so crap that they didn't even have 3G (making MMS painfully slow).
I'd be interested in seeing why they held off; 3G, video recording, GPS, copy'n'paste, downloadable apps, camera flashes, etc, etc, etc..
Re: Sounds just like
"But claiming sharing via IR as prior art for sharing via NFC is as much a stretch as claiming that tin cans and string were prior art for the telephone."
I used IR to transfer content. Later I used BlueTooth. And currently use NFC as well. Sounds like prior art to me
Interesting point regarding the ownership.
I thought that digital content ownership wasn't transferable if that is the case then the person gifting the content might be breaking the law unless they can prove that it was purchased as a gift. Perhaps to distance themselves from enabling owners to break the law, Apple need to let the gifter stipulate that the purchase is a gift at checkout, automatically add it to the giftee's iTunes account, allow it to be downloaded to the gifter's device but disable it on that device.
Sounds like a bit of a palava.
Re: late to the party
Windows Mobile included phone tracking back in 2009, Apple in 2010. Yet Google are copying Apple?
And in turn, MS copied other 3rd party providers...
Apple are soooo innovative
"If you're thinking this all sounds a lot like what your iPhone does already, you're right. Apple's "Find My iPhone, iPad, and Mac" service has provided these and other capabilities since 2010."
Actually I was reminded of the fact that Windows Mobile did this a year earlier than iOS
Re: what a load of old bollocks
"The original iPhone was an incomplete product, but what it did it did pretty well. It was the first mobile phone I've used with a really good mobile web browser "
There in lies the problem. Because your first experience of something was on an iPhone it doesn't follow that Apple innovated first. The excellent tabbed Opera browser on WM predates the iPhone and could be used on phones with 3G.
Your suggestion that the continued sales of iPhones is proof that Apple were right to omit MMS is flawed, given that many of those early missing features were added later.
Re: what a load of old bollocks
Ahhh... that's why the first iphone didn't have video recording, camera flash, 3rd party apps, GPS, 3G.
Re: 'more premium devices'
Agreed, I don't understand why we are constantly told that aluminium is more of a premium product than carbon fibre. Carbon fibre is more expensive to machine, stronger, more durable and lighter than aluminium.
Re: 3 inch= 'low end'
Each of the Windows Mobile phones t hat I had was supplied with a stylus but with the larger screened units I had no need for it. In 2007 HTC developed touchFlo which helped to make the stylus redundant for many tasks.
On the smaller screens the stylus approach had the advantage of allowing more icons/tapable areas than the capacitive finger model. Rather than using a stylus I )like many others) used my finger nail rather than a stylus.
Not sure I understand why your friend could not hold a phone with one hand, use it with the other and walk at the same time.
"Apple almost certainly do make more cash per handset"
Probably even more true of the older handsets. The iphone 4 is now probably more profitable than the 5. Just as well, at least it might help to subsidise the poor iphone 5 sales...
Re: 3 inch= 'low end'
My first touchscreen phone had a 3.5" screen back in 2004. When Apple invented the wheel/phone/whatever in 2007 I had a 5" touchscreen phone (which also had all of those things that apple decided phones don't need like GPS and 3G, 3rd party apps etc). Mind you, given the cost of my phone, the iPhone would have been a lower budget phone (comparatively).
Personally... I was born old.
Re: saturation = stagnation
"When you first innovate - people go "wow!""
or should that be
"When you first tell your legions of fans in the press that you have innovated..."?
Just out of interest, how often was the word innovate used before Apple started to tell us how innovative they are?
You gotta feel sorry for the Believers. every couple of months they have to find a new (pi$$ing contest) metric.
How long until they point out that Apple must be better because their chief messiah in charge of design has fewer letters in his surname than his counter part at Samsung?
Re: Right brand
Ahhh... belkin- one of the few firms to offer lifetime warranties.
Apple- one of the few firms that try to charge you extra for your statutory rights.
Just out of interest, does anyone know why so many double insulated products have no earth lead. I appreciate that the item doesn't need earthing but what about the lead itself? Is it a cost thing?
Re: And we thought ... @JaitcH
Indeed. In fact in one sentence they used two differing definitions of the word virus (proper and malware) to hoodwink their customers.
Until recently they claimed that OSX's built in "defences" kept you safe, until a complaint from the ASA (post flashback) forced them to drop absolutes such as "safe" in favour of implied terms such as "safer".
Mind you what do you expect of the firm that told the courts that prior to the iPhone, all phones had small screens and keyboards...
Re: "White hat hacker"...yeah right
"If he's white hat, why exactly did he grab details from 100,000 users? Shouldn't the 73 Apple employees be more than good enough to demonstrate to Apple that he had found some real vulnerabilities that needed immediate attention. This raises a huge red flag to me, and obviously to Apple as well."
Perhaps he used the 100,000 to determine which were Apple employees.
If he wanted to blackmail Apple why would he have pointed out the bugs to them- prior to going further?
You are correct that Apple had to pull the plug but this would have had to happened regardless and should have happened when they were first notified. I appreciate it takes a while to verify bug reports but increasingly these firms are too arrogant to believe that they are anything less than perfect.
Re: 90m account details stolen
"Microsoft disclose pretty much everything and have done since 1984 - the only exception being"... And their (slightly less than Apple=esque) tax avoidance.
According to http://thenextweb.com/apple/2013/07/22/researcher-claims-he-told-apple-of-developer-center-vulnerability-but-didnt-maliciously-steal-data/
a white hat hacker, Ibrahim Balic, "hacked" the site to prove his recently discovered vulnerabilities to Apple. 4 hours after he notified them the plug was pulled.
It looks as though Apple were unaware of the breach until he told them. Which begs the question, how can they be sure that they haven't previously been compromised?
Re: Then the likes of sony start to use the lighter
"The wheel fell of my car after 7 years and Toyota refused to fix it.
You see what I did there?"
UK customers have the legal right to expect products to last up to 6 years, apple try to convince them that they only have one year so that they can sell them a limited insurance policy.
You see what I did there?
Re: Leading the pack
The Duo 13 was released round about the same time as the Pro 13 an Air 13.
Personally I found the tracking nipple-thingy to be horrendous. They have also revised the hinge mechanism but I haven't had a chance to play with one yet.
Re: Why would you want to use Windows 8 on a Macbook Air?
I thought that W8 didn't work properly on boot camp and that the touchpad drivers hadn't been added yet
Re: But why?
The Vaio 13 is £500 more expensive. Not it ain't.
the Pro13 is cheaper than the Air 13.
the top of the range Duo 13 is £290 more expensive but includes the better touchscreen, NFC, GPS etc.
btw Sony charge £40 for 4gb of extra RAM, apple charge £80, both use the same LPDDR3...
no idea where you got the battery life figures from, appleinsider?
Re: Leading the pack
You are criticizing the older Duo 11 and not the Duo 13. Sony seem to have addressed your concerns.
Regardless, the pro and duo have been used as examples to discount the Devotees' claim that Apple are the only people capable of producing decent units. Other examples will be released by others in due course.
the fact remains that apple have not done anything magical. They took upper end components and pit them together. Indeed they also decided to sacrifice screen quality for battery life, in most quarters that would be seem as a compromise. Pah, who needs a high resolution on an ultraportable when you can tether it to a bigger screen? It does leave one wondering why the smaller iPad needs a high def screen though, or why the same sized MBP needs retina.
Re: Leading the pack
"Apple haters keep claiming that Apple devices are expensive. Point out that, for an equivalent specification alternative, you are paying at least comparable money and they go deaf. Ask them to show you a better device for less money and its either more expensive or compromised in one way or another."
i7, 8Gb RAM, 512BG PCIe SSD
Air 13" = £1,579.00
Vaio Pro 13" = £ 1,398.98 (with superior screen and NFC, WIDI etc)
Opps, silly me the Pro has an inferior battery life, lets add the sheet battery so that we can out do the Air
Vaio Pro 13" plus battery = £ 1,478.99.
Still weighs the same as the Air and is £100 cheaper but we have added a few mm to the thickness. Can I hear someone screaming compromise?
Re: Leading the pack
i7, 8gb RAM, 512GB SSD- prices direct from manufacturers
MBA 13"= £1,579.00
Duo 13"= £ 1,868.99
Difference= £290 and not the £500 being quoted
And those that are risk adverse, if you want 3 years of cover
The difference drops down to £166.
And what doe the extra cost get you that the Air doesn't have?
Ethernet support/WiFI hotspot
A higher resolution touch screen with a digitizer pen.
Re: batter life "The Duo 13 lasted just shy of 9 hours (8 hours 55 minutes) on our battery rundown test," (source PC Mag).
BTW the Vaio Pro 13 uses the same PCIe flash and costs less than the Air 13. The duo 13 also uses the same and I expect that as more manufacturers release haswell devices the adoption of PCIe will increase.
I guess that if Sony want to entice the typical Air owner they need to ditch the gorgeous screen and opt for a dimmer, lower resolution one which will give battery life an even bigger boost.
Re: But why?
all manufacturer's quoted battery lives assume battery saving jiggery pokery.
I guess that you are referring to the Duo 13.
The Pro13 with the sheet battery is still cheaper than the MBA, results in an equal weight and longer life but does make the unit slightly thicker than the MBA.
Personally I don't need that extra capacity every day and like the option of sacrificing weight for battery life as and when it suits me. Although I would prefer the option of just having an extra removable battery.
If the Air had a comparable screen, it's battery life would be far, far less impressive. Again we have devotees defending the use of a lower resolution screen- "Apple understand that battery life is the most important thing, no one cares about weight and resolution quite as much. They can plug in a gazillion screens via Thunderbolt,.. blah, blah, blah". I guess resolution is no longer important since Apple lost that pissing contest to the pixel. (btw that was not aimed at you, I have seen that defence used a lot recently).
Re: But why?
Whilst there are no "cheap" high spec'd ultrabooks, there are ones that cost marginally less, offer similar under-the-hood performance, are lighter and have vastly superior (touch) screens.
The problem regarding compromise is that some people take the Air as the yard stick by which to measure others. Unless another device has identical characteristics at a lower price the devotees scream "compromise".
For years the devotees bragged about the weight of the Air, citing superior Apple design and the use of aluminium. Then the likes of sony start to use the lighter/stronger carbon fibre, eventually getting to the point where you have the Vaio Duo 13: In part lighter because of the carbon fibre and a smaller battery. The smaller capacity battery offers less time between charges than the Air. Now the devotees cite battery life as being the most important metric, who cares about screen resolution (until a retina version is released).
Ok lets find another machine to compare to the Air, lets take the Vaio Duo 13. It has a larger battery which lasts longer than the Air's. The downside being that the unit weighs the same amount as the Air, but it still has the better screen. "No, no, no" (they cry) "it's not as good, it costs more than the Air".
In the event that someone apes the Air' design but making it cheaper, same specs otherwise though, the devotees will accuse them of being a cheap knock off (and then point out that it doesn't run OSX but some variation on W98).
The Air is a decent machine but for the majority of people it is not the "best".
Re: "revamp tax rules to close the loopholes"
If only it were that simple.
Legislators are only able to act unilaterally. Mega Global Incs cherry pick national differences and effectively lie about the value of goods and services along their own supply chain.
The holes don't really exist until they are dug out by the teams of accountants used by the tax dodgers.
Apple tell the Irish taxman that many of their Irish subsidiaries have no employees and conduct all of their business outside of Ireland, any profits, under Irish law, are not taxable. It follows that Apple employees elsewhere must be conducting the work on behalf of these subsidiaries. Those employees are effectively loss makers for their true employers, which is great for Apple because it helps them to artificially reduce profits (and taxes) there as well.
It is difficult to see what any single country can do. More complex tax laws will penalise smaller firms that will have to pay more in accounting fees and merely result in the large tax dodgers just paying their own accounts more to find new loopholes.
If tax authorities were allowed to audit the whole supply chain across national boundaries things might be different but they ain't .
My Windows phone asked me to "create" my own password. I don't recall it selecting one for me.
Re: Yep, I agree
"How about how did your upgrade from Winmo7 to 8 go? "
WinMo stopped at 6.5...
I don't see what your point re WP7 upgrading to WP8 is. What is the point in baking features such as NFC into the WP7 settings and confusing people when NO WP7 phones support it?
WP7 is currently sitting at WP7.8, the look'n'feel of WP8 but without the hardware requirements.
How many first gen iOS or Android units support all of the features of the latest OS?
"The apps from IOS1 work fine still, no more money, these Windows CE ones don't seem to...."
WinCE (ARM) apps still work on WinMo units, they were never designed to work on Windows Phone. Most were written before WP even existed. To date I have not come across a WP7 app that will not work on WP8. The vast majority will work on WP8 but wont be able to take advantage of the newer hardware features of WP8 (eg NFC). There might be a couple that won't work properly, eg those that make calls to the FMradio class.
Your iOS1 app example is also flawed, many developers will not allow you to download older versions of apps that will run on older versions of iOS.
Re: Laptops and Notebooks
Sorry Bill, a typo on my behalf, I intended to say back in 2010 and not 2000.
Re: Laptops and Notebooks
Pixel Chromebook aside, I concede that MBPs have the highest resolution screens but that has only been the case since summer last year. Prior to that the MBPs had relatively low resolution and poor graphics.
To suggest that any given firm has the "best" anything all of the time is silly. When I got my Vaio Z11 in March 2000 it blew the 13" MBP out of the water (and continued to do so for 2 years).
Indeed it is probably fair to assert that others (of late) copy the look'n'feel of apple. In and of itself, it does not follow that Apple's approach is better, perhaps it is just an indicator of the fact that the press (present organ excluded) wet their pants whenever apple release or copy something else If apple were original I might sympathise with the tone of your comment but to date all I see is apple claiming to have invented something and the press reporting it as fact without bothering (read:wanting) to double check
The most I ever paid for a phone was about £800, it was largely made of plastic and assembled by Samsung (on behalf of B&O).
At £800 it was not a luxury phone where as at £15 000 I would assert that the Vertu is a luxury phone.
How much does an iPhone cost, what percentage of the shell is titanium?
Re: Dear Microsoft
And which vendor has 800,000 tablet specific apps?
Re: @AC 7:54
I agree with you.
The fanbois seem to have forgotten that before the iphone there was Windows Mobile and not just BB and Symbian.
I could do far more on WM than one can on iOS and indeed more than on WP.
Some of those features were removed by MS for fear of upsetting Apple. I can't click on phone numbers in websites anymore, why? I could in 2004 but seemingly Apple decided to patent it and MS and Apple have a "let's be friends" clause.
The sooner Apple piss of back to the wilderness the better.