67 posts • joined 19 Jan 2012
Re: Windows 8 was built for one reason only
Exactly, horses for courses.
Use Metro or TIFKAM on touchscreen devices, especially handhelds. Makes alot of sense.
Use the desktop for desktop oriented software (like games) but also in my case Office 2013 and VS2013.
The only problem is that I have to use middleware to achieve this. Start8 boots me to desktop which is where I want to be on my Win 8 desktop. If the next major update of windows (8.2) allows me to remove Start8, all the better.
Re: Can I quietly end it all?
Hi Refugee from Windows,
I am going to take a pount here that you haven't actually bought or used a brand new Win 8 machine then? I say this because I have two machines running 8.1 plus a few others running falvous as various as Raspian to Win 7). On buying the laptop with Win 8 preinstalled (Sony Vaio), I was up and running within 20 minutes (note that there wasn't any hours spent where the machine chewed through multiple reboots). The download and installation of Office 2013 took about another 20 minutes and the install of VS2013 via DVD took about another 40 minutes. Total: 1 Hr 20 Mins. The upgrade to Win 8.1 was via the store with no problems whatsoever. I think there were two reboots in total during that phase (getting the updates required before the upgrade to 8.1 required a reboot) then one reboot on install.
Also bought a Win 8.1 pro disk for the desktop running 7. Popped it in the machnine and was complete within 30 minutes. Single reboot.
On both machines the installation of stardock start8 took about 2 minutes. I boot to a nice desktop environment with a start menu in about 10 seconds (on a bad day).
I probably should mention that while the desktop is pretty high specced the Sony Vaio isn't. I can run XP in a VM if I wished but thats what compatability mode is for.
So, I call BS mate. You just haven't tried it have you?
Re: re: command line (@ A J Stiles)
Lars Re: re: command line (@ A J Stiles)
Yes, only it's a damned useless and stripped down command line compared to what you get in any *nix
Re: Head to head
3 days ago Baron Ebaneezer Wanktrollop III wrote: When I sat down at a Win8 desktop I had to retrain myself on how to do the most basic of functions
I call total utter bo**cks. Did you not understand that pressing Win key +D gets you to the desktop?
Maybe you didn't know that there were freely available low cost (£5) or free start menu replacements available from pretty much day one?
Maybe you're just a lonely troll?
Re: Sim Scotland
"A Wee Eck Production"
Brilliant, who's the leader though? Fat Boab or Daphne Broon?
Re: Tab-casting versus handover
Ceser states: "The Chromecast is *superb*, I couldn't be more positive about it. Really neat way to make a TV accessible to your content."
I agree, I bought one after reading the review here on el reg. Using my Nexus 2 in conjunction with the chromecast app is a very good experience indeed, the nexus can be shut down, charging, doing nothing at all, running different apps or working as your remote control.
I have a Sony Bravia which has most video services built into it except for Netflix. To be able to watch Netflix without turning on my PC, logging in, going to Netflix and selecting a film, then switching my graphics card output from dual monitor to the HDMI connection to the TV is well worth the £30 I paid for it alone. I imagine that more video streaming sites will become available over time which will make it even more useful.
If you have the £30 to spare then I would recommend buying one! The only downside for me is that as an owner of a Nokia Lumia 925 phone, I can not stream (I can't see Google creating a method like this for WP8 phones!) so let that be a warning to potential users, it doesn't (and likely never will) work with WP8 or at least the vanilla WP8 I use.
Still, android phones work as do modern iPhones; laptops and desktops too. The method is different for laptops and desktops but it does eliminate the need for the HDMI cable which now has a new home being permanently connected to my RPi.
Potentially using this whilst being on the go (staying in hotel rooms) is also a big boon but I haven't tried that yet and the only way to switch Wi-Fi networks seems to be a hard reset. I will have the opportunity next week so fingers crossed I can watch big screen Netflix instead of Nexus Netflix.
I'm not a big fan of google but along with the Nexus 2, they seem to have created a very good product indeed. 5 stars! Note that the service working from a pc or laptop is not quite as smooth.
Why would they Julian? Serious answer only. And if we must compare cars why not go all the way back to when drum brakes and no airbags were standard. Should a car manufacturer replace them for free too? Take your brain out of first gear mate.
Re: I still love XP..
You run XP under a VM to just watch netflix??
Yet you use linux and android for the rest. Why not use the android netflix app? As for the VM, whats wrong with wine? Not that I am a *ux lover but seriously... I call you on that one mate.
Re: not having batteries is a good thing
'not having batteries is a good thing
Then at least the toy/whatever won't get broken on Christmas Day.
Success!' Steve Davies @1054
Or you can pop out and get some batteries, conveniently passing the local public house on the way.
Re: Good Advice
"Re: Good Advice
>Last year my nephew got a VITA with FIFA13.......
You're fooling no-one. You just wanted to play with your nephew's Christmas presents, didn't you?"
Have an upvote, I was thinking the exact same thing. First FIFA then Battlefield! Just buy yourself a console or PC and enjoy gaming all year round.
An Xbox or a playstation is not just for Christmas...
Can this bypass that key bit of black tape that most people I know stick over the cameras built into their devices?
Exactly, however the Mac devotees wouldn't want to spoil their shiny, expensive but underperforming bit of kit.
Re: I believe it
Steven Roper: "That you can only install software from Microsoft's app store"
"to be constantly pushed towards unwanted cloud storage, and to constantly monitored, logged and spied on is unacceptable regardless of what the interface looks like."
What a load of rubbish. I am running AutoCAD, Steam, Office Pro, Project and Visio. None of these were purchased from the app store. In so far as being spied on, you can turn that off at installation or via the control panel. If you want to worry about being spied on then worry about Homeland Security and GCHQ.
Stop spreading FUD. Have you even tried Win 8? Is your objection to the login because you were using an illegal copy of the disk and licence key?
Re: I believe it
You don't have to wait for Windows 8.2. There are a myriad of applications (some free and some cost money - about $5 or £3) that will bring you to the desktop from boot. You never have to use TIFKAM. It is all there on the start menu.
Re: Any movement so far in migration has been to Windows 7 rather than 8 or 8.1
Why would you do that? I run Win 8.1 with Start8 on my desktop and my laptop. The desktop start-up time using fast boot is approx. 5 seconds from POST. The laptop is slightly slower.
I bought Win 8.1 for the desktop (the laptop, being a touchscreen Sony Vaio, came with it) specifically for the quicker start-up, better disk management tools (partitioning has been improved since Windows 7 and also the ability to clear and reallocate space) and because I actually prefer the straight edged windows rather than the curvy XP, Vista and Win 7 type.
Bring on the down votes for someone who speaks up for Win 8. It may not be fashionable to like it but I'm not a sheep and I make up my own mind. Many people here have obviously not tried it given some of the comments.
Re: CAT Bum Juice
Depends if he likes mango juice I suppose.
CAT Bum Juice
Anyone from DNST apprenticeship days circa 1993 should remember a similar story to this about mango flavouring (i.e. guess where it comes from when the manufacturer can't be bothered to get actual mangos)
Re: Down the rabbit hole.....or IT in wonderland (UK Government)
1. Absolute Rubbish, it's just the limited places you have worked (we call them office farms)has not exposed you to the talent.
2. Unbelieveable Rubbish. In the UKAF yes, but there is a reson for that, in Civil Service (MOD especially) promotion is based on merit only and certainly NOT age. In fact I might even send you the PRG on that.
3. Budgets are handed out to 4STAR/3STAR who then allocate it as any executive board. Do you think your director knows what a vga lead is? Why would the MOD be any different.
4. Yes, there are and I am one such person who (soft charge) buys 1 meter ST-ST patch leads for £15 quid and grinds my teeth. Don't you understand this is how PPP works. I'd name them but for losing myjob. You won't name them because that would be like killing the goose that lays the golden egg.
5. Laughable. Maybe 20 years ago but not now.
As for your final point, we don't want you, stay away, your limited knowledge would cause much more harm than good.
Re: Start Icon != Start Menu. This the problem.
But, run any of the replacement programs (StartUI, etc) and windows key = start menu.
Guess what Win Key + D does.....The Desktop. The Win 7 desktop. With the added security and other "under the bonnet" tweaks that actually makes Win 8 an excellent OS for tablet, laptop and desktop.
Now if you are smart enough to use "sudo apt get" then you should just be able to carry out the StartUI (or any of the others) trick.
What are you afraid of? That you would have to admit that with WIN 8 everything does just work, if you want the Win 7 experience then go get it.
Your answer kind of underscores what you mention when you say "Ever notice how easy it is to tell someone has never used the OS they are trying to defend"
Did you mean yourself when you made that comment?
Just sitting down
and getting the thing to work is awesomme. Big Thumbs Up Kiepert
Re: thumbs down - from who?
That was directed at you A/C.
Re: thumbs down - from who?
thumbs down - from who?
one thumbs down for saying thanks to someone .....Classy,,,
Spot. the fanboi/droid.
have the guts to admit your hatred.
Hauwei and ZTE
I haven't tried a Huawei or ZTE mobile phone (or even ever knowingly seen one). I can say though that I own a Huawei MIFI unit which was very cheap (from an online retailer of all sorts of stuff and books etc.). Its performance is outstanding as is the build quality. I understand that O2 offer this exact same item as their MIFI offering but charge over double the cost.
I'm using a HTC 8X on WP8. The Nokia's got better reviews (perhaps the outstanding camera and the Nokia music app). Thanks for your feedback on this as I do love the WP8 UI, so maybe I will check out a Nokia running WP8. Thanks again for giving me another option and for doing that I have +1 your post.
Not at all.
I am missing decent sat nav software (that works in the UK), I am missing a non-DRM music player. I am missing an FM reciever (but I don't have much hope for getting one these days anyway), I hate that my DRM music is checked every so often, I hate that some music gets streamed even though I have (apparently) downloaded. I can't find a DLNA app which works well, I dont have iPlayer, 4OD, STV Player, 5 On Demand. No flash was a pain but as sites become HTML 5 compliant this is getting less annoying. Battery life is shocking (17hrs in standby) in comparison to my friends iPhone and Nexus 4. Podcast support within the OS is not available so I'm stuck with a 3rd Party App which is buggy and doesn't keep my casts updated.
Note: I haven't switched to droid yet, but plan to as soon as my current contract closes (or I may just buy my way out of it).
WP8 to Droid avoiding Apple
I'm a long term windows phone user right from 5.x. I guess brand loyalty exists as I have stuck with them through to WP8 but that brand loyalty only exists to a point. I have seen the UI improve to possibly the best out there and I have seen the quality of apps decrease. Now have a nexus 7 on droid, with a highly customisable UI and a good set of apps (once rooted). I can categorically state that my next phone will also be a droid for the same reasons that I love my nexus7. As for apple, the UI is dated, app store full of fart apps and the form factor really doesn't do it for me.
bye bye freon cooled big iron
Back to the future reference
Are you telling me this sucker's nuclear?
No, no, no. This sucker's electrical but I need a nuclear reaction to [generate accurate clock pulses!)
Re: I happen to have experience transporting radioactive material across international borders.
How can I get myself one of those Cameron?
As I understand it, now that Johnathan Ive is in charge, there will be a big move away from skeuomorphism. Ive. Afterall was one of its biggest critics at Apple
LINUX - Server.....sure, data centre...maybe, desktop...don't hold your breath
Maybe this indicates that Linux is ready for the desktop. ROFL.
Only joking of course but I have heard similar claims made on comments about stories with a much more tenuous link!
Linux as the ubicutous OS on desktop - not for a while yet (except in fanbois dreams perhaps)
I`m a user of Netflix, love film and Sony entertainment. Sony is brilliant for new films but it is expensive. There is no real comparison between Netflix and love film as Netflix is by far superior. I'm only maintaining love film as they gave me a few months for free when I quit!
Re: What sort of cretin buys a Amazon Swindle anyway?
+1 Rob. My Aunt and two of my nephews use kindle HD. They have no clue what a walled garden is and even if they did, they wouldn't care. My aunt gets all the books she wants and the nephews are glued to the games, Facebook and movies. The hardware is cheap as is the apps and books. Why on earth would they use anything else?
I too have an old style kindle e-reader which is great for holidays due to the non reflective screen and unbelievable battery life.
Don't be led by shiny shiny, use what works for you!
FFS I am really responding to your bait tonight Eadon.
Have you seriously given Win 8 a go? I don't mean an rtm or developer version run in a VM. On a machine with a touchscreen designed for Win 8?
With the FUD that you spread plus information which is plain wrong,, you come across as misinformed or someone with a grudge
Re: Eadon's Verdict... (SPOILER - FAIL)
And to think I previously up voted you for not using Caps and for putting forward a reasonable argument. I'm taking my +1 back with a -1 on this post.
A few serious questions though:
1). Do you prefer to get -1 rather than +1 votes?
2) How many sockpuppets are you using on this site?
3). After all the down votes do you still think typing SOMETHING, SOMETHING, MS FAIL is funny?
Nuke - `cause they`re not funny either
Re: "with a touchscreen win8 may almost start to make sense"
Really? Just install a start menu replacement or is that to hard?
Re: Are there?
Hi AC, I own a Sony VAIO which I use for Uni as a postgrad MBA student. It runs win 8, has a touchscreen, full enterprise ms office courtesy of a work deal - £15). Start menu replace men installed with no fuss.
The machine fits in a document folder, battery lasts about 7 hours and it starts up in under 10 seconds. the cost was £600.
its not my daily machine but it is bloody good at what it does. So yes, I bought into the ultra book fantasy and I am glad I did.
Re: Wrong title...
+1 up voted as you refrained from using your caps lock key and you responded with a reasonable argument (I might not agree with it but your point was, for once,nicely put)
Cheers, have a beer on me.
Re: Wrong title...
Sorry Eadon, check your facts. Microsoft were there first with the SPOT Watch.
EADON COMMENT BADLY RESEARCHED FAIL
@ac 20 Apr 2150
+1 & hear hear. A brilliantly constructed argument which deals with facts not FUD.
Re: Good news @ Mikel
Forgive my ignorance but that wikipedia article suggests the lawsuit was settled. Is this not the case?
Sorry for the typos! That is the main disadvantage of typing on an on screen keyboard!
@ Barry shitpeas
Well you do have a choice of not using it. Options are simple, use the keyboard to switch to desktop or install a start meu replacement.
Also, you don't need to use the MS Marketplace (even though there is some very good stuff there), you can even pin apps and peograms to TIFKAM should you wish. I know it is sport on el reg to spread FUD but some of it is so badly researched or just plain wrong it makes the commentator nlook stupid (this last commentbois not directed at you Barry but some here really take the biscuit).
p,s, not a fanboy, I use win 8, win 7, Win XP, Debian ( on RPI), ubuntu on x86 and I`m writing this on droid 4.2
Re: When it comes time to change, I'll see what there is..
+1 agreed. After years of win phone my next handset will be a droid. Have even considered buying out of my contract early so I can switch.
Re: Surely at least the Third time?
Ahh actually SPOT Watch - close!!
Re: Surely at least the Third time?
My memory is a bit sketchy about this but wasn't the watch your referencing available in 05? The original MS offering was 04 (SOFTwatch...I think??)
For a while now on these forums, I have read postings calling for a linux laptop to be available at point of sale. This would be the second time that Dell have offered something like this as a mainstream offering. There are lots of arguements why the first offering failed and I have to wonder how successful it will be the second time around.
Now is the time to see if Linux really is ready for the desktop and ready to replace Windows as the preloaded OS of choice for consumers.
If Linux really is ready for the desktop (laptop) then an average user should at the very least be able to buy one of these and just continue as if nothing had happened. If Linux is not only ready for the desktop (laptop) but superior (as the evangelists are so fond of saying) then the user experience should be enhanced. Sales should go through the roof. MS dies, everyone switches to FOSS.
I suspect that this offering will go the same way as it did the first time around. It will be interesting to see though.
Re: Smart TV vs. Win-8 Ultrabooks...
Buy a Raspberry Pi and connect it to your TV. Bluetooth Keyboard/Touchpad combo + Wifi and HDMI connection to the TV and you have Linux to your TV.
It is a bit slow but a very cheap and fun solution.
Re: Absolutely true for me
Why not install a start menu replacement? Then your wife will effectively have a Win7 environment to use.
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