Right, Im a massive NSA / USA skeptic. But please, the whole point of these secret service TLA's is that they act like the enemy. The CIA murders with impunity, the NSA slurps data with impunity, and so on. Same here with GCHQ, MI6 etc.
The point now is that we used to have some sense they were under reasonable control, that some how with in the democratic process they were kept from excess, and that if the ordinary man was privy to details, we'd probably, perhaps reluctantly, agree with most of what they got up to. Its not what they do that has gone wrong, its the excessive scope of that they are doing, and that it now seems they view us, the people, on mass, as the enemy.
Im all for specific, targeted, court approved stepping over normal decency. If they have a real suspect, and can prove genuine concern, and a court says, OK, you may do such and such, then OK, I can live with that. But now we have this on an automatic, industrial level. That has to be the problem, no?
But surely we always new they used dirty, criminal methods. That's kinda the point of having them.
I mean, Im not comfortable with any of it to be honest. But there is a reality here that has to be addressed and frankly accepted even by the most liberal of us. Which BTW, I am.
Bottom line: I dont like it, however, I accept it, but demand it is reasonably controlled by a process I trust.