106 posts • joined Thursday 5th January 2012 12:17 GMT
It may be an old model but have IBM, Apple Nintnedo ever used it?
Trying ordering in bulk yourself, you save pennies, a few bucks at best.
It's always about keeping themselves safe isn't it, yet Britain and Spain have had harder periods with terrorists and any country the US has ever stuck its dirty little fingers ends up dangerous as hell.
Re: XBox One vs. Playstation 4? Or...PC
Actually the average age of the video gamer is surprisingly old and it's the kids and teens who want the gaming PCs to play 'grown-up' games.
"Van: I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. I'm not aware of any stage where a console has had more, for the lack of a better description, 'polygon pushing ability' than a decent gaming PC of the same era."
Which bit of 'consoles had custom graphics and sound chips before the PC' dont you understand?
I think you're struggling because you either think PC gaming started in 2002 or you've only ever played games that needed to push a lot of polygons. Or perhaps youve confused the PCs higher resolutions available to meaning graphically superior? In which case I'll give you Arcade games, particularly the polygon shifters from Sega in 93, again with custom built boards designed to play games, not business applications.
I remember when a PC had no output for sound and no PCI slots. The best upgrade was a 16 Bit sound card, it was pricey and plugged into the lone ISA slot. This was around the SNES era, there were no gaming PCs. Super Mario World and Super Tennis just couldn't be done on the PC.
You've got to accept that microprocessor evolution wasn't exclusively designed to be used by the PC. In the mid 80s arcade boards, Sega were using 2 x 68000 CPUs, with a Z80 and an additional Yamaha chip for sound. in 1992 Sega went to Lockheed Martin for help with 3D. In 1993 they went to Intel for a 25MGHZ CPU and 5 graphics co-processors from Fujitsu.
This was all before Doom appeared on the PC let alone PCI slots and 3D cards. At this time, Consoles were being designed with custom processors for graphics sound at a low price point for the mass consumer to play similar games to the arcades and they did a very good job.
I'll reiterate for you, SNES, PS1, N64, Dreamcast all had games the PC couldn't touch at the time, yes they were all held back by the TV's low resolution, but that didn't stop them being good in areas that mattered.
Nintendo even added a 3D accelerator, co developed with Argonaut , to each cartridge at the end of the SNEs era, again before PCi slots and 3D cards on the PC.
If a phone becomes better than a console at pushing polygons, then the phone ability inside the device will be stripped out of the device and you have a cheap small console that will probably insert directly into an HDMI port. Then we will also need console controllers, steering wheel pedals etc, as touch screen gaming is shit.
Humans evolved to use tools, which is why some gamers will actually prefer using at least a stylus than poking and prodding with a finger.
During the 1970s oil crisis, the same ideas were touted but brushed under the carpet. Politics ruined the chances of making the same strides in energy as say the computing industry. Stop blaming the greens and eco warriors.
Excuse me silent_count, but consoles came with custom graphics and sound chips before the PC. You say never? PC build costs will rise as PC gaming declines and becomes the expensive niche like in the 90s when PS1 and Dreamcast were the better gaming machines for 1/5 of the cost .
Custom hardware will always be better, the target price point will hold them back though. Walk into Nintendo R&D with a memo targetting a 1500 USD price point then see how good the PC looks as a gaming machine.
or the Xbox 360 or the PS3
Re: Sympathy for Sony
and some say Bill Gates was a crook to boot....
Unfortunately the console buyer is a finicky so and so. They wouldn't pay the price for the Dreamcast and it's extra features, and listened to Sony's over hyping of the PS2. Now Sony have no choice but to subsidise and rely purely on brand loyalty. Nintendo and Sega could trounce this lot if they were as open as the big 2.
Purely eye candy to make use of that £400 TV on the £400 new console. I'd rather spend the money on an original Defender cabinet.
Re: Micrososft FUD machine in full swing.
To think they're not making profit on the custom designed hardware,unlike Apple who slap 40% on off the shelf components screwed into a stylish 1960s braun designed case, but can seemingly do no wrong.
Funny old game.
I couldn't take a review seriously that uses 'classiest' or' classy' to describe a telephone.
Re: Aren't we ignoring the elephant in the room?
I find the precision of a "superior" keyboard and mouse removes me from the action and is less involving. I'm sure a mouse could make driving games easier,but no thanks.
We're going nowhere. Resources and investment will be needed to stay alive here.
The original Peugeot GTi wore out a lot quicker than VW's equivalent, which is around the time VW really earn't their reputation. I believe the French have caught up with VW in many areas in recent times making this GTi an interesting prospect.
See through tech, that would be so cool. They could use coloured plastic and offer 13 flavours!.
Re: Lost their mojo ...
That's if you were the type to actually think being on facebook actually gave you mojo.
Having grandparents on facebook makes it more useful than its ever been.
Re: Lost their mojo ...
That's good then. Hopefully they can get on with wearable computing/comms being useful. For me, I hate having to place down, forget where Ive left it, taking it out of pocket to check type gestures, with a regular phone.
Re: What's a watch?
That's a rather shallow view.
A watch is basically a sundial that conveniently evolved to be wearable, a concept for the German Navy, then became fashionable. The wrist is also the preferred choice to mount instruments for sky and sea divers.
Not sure why there even has to be an argument as to why a computer/comms device shouldn't evolve to be wearable.
As for teenagers, they would be quite capable of making an Altimeter fashionable. If an Altimeter became the 'must have' accessory for kids, it wouldn't be because of appeal.
Re: Pay to Play and no one cares?
NO, you paid a part payment for the console. That's why they need to look elsewhere to get their money back.
Re: All fugly except the mac
"It is amazing when you do a aesthetic comparison of Mac VS everything else how far ahead they are - of course many here favour function and cost over form but they are stunning these days"
Ahead? you mean far back!
Apple's latest designs succeeded because people like you are too young to remember and too sheep-like to research the fact that Apple's looks were all done to death in the 1960s and early 70s.
The silver Aluminium design made a brief come back in the 80s albeit mostly in plastic with HiFi equipment.
How long before Apple make wood-grain computers and their fanbois think they are original?
Apple's design is starting to look dated. Not surprising when it was copied straight from the 1967 Braun catalogue.
For those who want to add/ remove memory, hard disks and CPUs at will. Look no further than SLIM-ITX solutions built into the back of monitors.
Hopefully smaller companies will offer a lot wider design choice than what is designed for today's sheep.
Once more for the moaners who will miss it, SLIM-ITX
Gotta love so may people missing the point. This is about tech hitting the wrist for convenience just like the original sundial>clock eventually got smaller to be wearable. Imagine having to still carry a clock around with you and remembering where you left it.
I don't wear a watch, but as someone who hates carrying, misplacing, dropping and searching for a mobile phone. Having a communication device scaled down and wearable on my wrist does appeal.
We wear keys on our wrists when we go swimming or visit wellness centers. Sky divers and sea divers use their wrists to hold the equipment they need.
I can't grasp how anyone writes this off as bad idea.
Very difficult to compete with traditional cars when they are being sold at Zero profit or even at a loss. Then with a large profit to be made on servicing parts that electric cars don't have. Oils, filters, turbo's. cambelts etc
Re: New product?
To upset your reasoning a bit, iphones are used as "must have" fashion accessories by many, there's no choice.
install hidden or lock it away at night?
“He fucked with the wrong nerd .."
Was spending £15 on the 'hidden' app in case your house got broken into , more clever than actually locking the precious laptop in a cupboard at night ....in case your house got broken into?
Re: MacBookPro Owners
Lucky that MacBook owners don't lock their precious laptops up at night!
It's going to be much cheaper to send a man the long way and one way only. There won't be a shortage of volunteers, only the shortage of bottle from an organization to make the unethical decision.
Haha, you had me until the last quote saying Linus will need sofa money for food. Looked out of window, no nuclear explosion, couldn't have been real.
"Education in the USA has long been a stronghold of Apple, the venerable Apple II being cheap and tough enough to survive in that hostile environment, skool.
But Apple’s gouging of UK consumers meant the prices were so high back in the day "
Are you sure it was down to "gouging" and not the weak pound?
Also IIRC, the build quality of American computers tended to be strong and tough to meet more stringent US standards.
The Atari 800 was also found in schools. It was a metal tank covered in hard Plastic, removable hard plastic covered RAM and ROM . I'm sure I read this build quality was partly why it was priced highly in the UK, compared to the flimsy un-shielded Uk offerings.
Funny that build quality and metal casings are actually deemed worthy of the extra dosh today. Often described in reg's own reviews as "classy" Another reason the Atari 8-bits were ahead of their time ;)
Re: Bar Steward
Ironically he intended to go into journalism. No doubt to write articles about "c***" politicians.
They're just desperate to have that now trendy minimalistic way of showing off products. The look and feel that Apple stole from European designer clothing boutiques and tried to call their own.
This trend is actually quite an effective way of advertising, despite rents still being unaffordable for regular traders.
Re: Chocolate Teapot
Apparently the 4 ? "not very good" Typhoons based in the Falklands, could take out the whole air force of the Spanish colony trying to claim islands as theirs.
Re: Yes, Gnome3 is awful
also a good link
Re: who will give them credit
Ironically, the staff would get a better price on ebay than what the company or administrators would get from a 'house clearance' type company.
Maybe administrators should try to pay the staff with hardware, whilst it's still there.
complete with dated and bulky optical media drive :)
Re: Download, upload, sideload...
Before accusing consoles of becoming too much like PCs. AFAIR PCs actually moved towards being like consoles when they were able to slot in a custom graphics and sound cards and have Steering Wheel pedals etc. Custom chips that were being designed for games consoles, Arcade gaming machines and the 'home computers'.
These cards were only affordable in the late 1990s. Even so, it was a long time before PCs were able to do the super slick Arcade beat' em ups, exhilarating Arcades racers and the platformers that the lower powered consoles were doing.
"Samsung Galaxy" "The next big thing" was clear enough for me
Re: Very funny
Apple havn't invented anything, not even the first computer (for which the ran ads having a dig at IBM)
Re: In a nutshell, it's old fashioned and got...
Nintendo's old fashioned consoles sold staggering well during black friday several weeks back. The total was around 1.5 million, with Microsoft selling approx 800,000 (admittedly impressive with just the one ageing console)
Is the market really ready for the ultimate console? Looking at the comments and complaints here and on other forums. A 'gamers' console, to satisfy the majority needs would probably cost at least $800 to build.
Only Apple can get away with that price point. Sometimes people expect Nintendo to be a charity.
The poster claiming it was operators playing frisbee is a closer guess. I would expect the data center to be manned by a large team of operators 24 x7. And with a 25% shift allowance + extra holidays, they most certainly would want to be there. Eating Pizza, watching TV, in between housekeeping tasks.
Potential new gamers 800 million born since 360 launch
Less of the selfish thinking.
The Wii U will be perfect for the young lads and lasses who are coming up to video-game owning age.
Why would they care what has gone before or what graphically superior versions of COD or Need for Speed are available on the next gen? Millions of parents will be making some of the big decisions and importantly handing over the credit card.
The Wii is still selling well and is still an ideal first console if you can weed out the gems. Gems which tend to be unavailable on other platforms.
To existing console owners, the Wii U should probably be considered more of an upgrade (something PC owners have never had a problem with) to a unique platform rather than next gen technology designed with bragging rights and I wouldn't be surprised if MS and Sony abandon big, noisy powerful boxes next time.
Tablets are all the rage at the moment and get people excited, including the people piling up the money. Nintendo turn a cheap one into a controller, genius.
As for the price, it's the same as the 80s and 90s consoles with inflation, offers much more than the did and still cheaper than most of the top gadgets kids have been desiring of late.
Of course the platform is at the mercy of Nintendo's tightness, quirkiness and often stubbornness. Support for 2TB USB drives is a reasonably good sign though.
Accept Nintendo arn't going to do it perfectly and have some fun.
Re: Every generation
Not the Tasmanian aborigines who survived the last melt 10,000 years ago, were cut off from the mainland but were wiped out by your ilk less than 200 years ago. The Aussie aborigines don't have it better either. Even if we're not harming the planet, at least half of us will end up with mental illness, the more cramped, nosier, restless environment we make for ourselves.
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