941 posts • joined 24 Dec 2011
And will it still appear on Apple maps as a car park in Grimsby?
There's something decidedly odd about their priorities when it comes to R&D spending.
" I simply believe that if Google saw the opportunity to sting MS for $4bn they'd try to get that money regardless of any good faith action on MS's part. That's just business. "
Can you point to an instance where Google has done this, or something similar, before please? It must be someone neutral they have done it to, other than as a defensive move reacting to aggression the other party instigated,, so don't point to the current Motorola spat.
Re: Oh I see
Correct, because it happened in that order.
Ain't payback a bitch.
"The $5 per Android handset they swiped from us set the bar, m'lud. Now we expect a similarly ridiculous figure in return."
Re: Been using it today
Did they stick their fingers in their ears and sing "la la la" after the "consumer preview"?
Once the public, rather than the puppet yes men, use it this is what you get, and there's a shitload more of them about to tsunami the news than the astroturfers:
Re: Reddit, I think not.
Re: It's part of the plan
That used to be true - now they beg work not to use it having seen the massive reduction in productivity it causes.
Been using it today
Its genuinely terrible - a lot worse than my previous tinkering led me to believe, and I don't know how many thousands you'd have to pay *me* to use it, never mind all this "you can get it free now" malarkey. I certainly don't know anyone who wants it. Anyone with any doubts will have them all cleared up by catching a YouTube reaction, there's a few now - try this for starters:
They'd become mere showrooms for Amazon
The typical costs of the white goods on sale forced consumers to be savvy. Here's a thought - what would happen if the rest of this gang - Currys, PC World etc all went the same way? Amazon would *have* to open retail stores - probably in the same premises.
"consumers stay away .. avoid dogged selling of extended and expensive warranties"
Spot on - that's what put me off. They were sold so hard that you couldn't help but look into them properly and realise what a rip off they were. Then you start to wonder if the whole shop was too...
I find this as amazing as UFO's
Amazing i the sense that now everyone has a camera in their pocket, in the form of a phone or whatever, you never hear anything like the number of reports you did in the 70's and 80's when, err, we didn't. How savvy of those aliens - just to pick the exact decades when there was no proof other than peoples yarns - to fly all those light years to visit us.
There's a YouTube video of said pile of poo in action:
Re: Win 8 = Win
Helpful Bob to the rescue then - if you haven't seen Windows 8, YouTube will clear things up:
Re: You want a troll?
"Is this year the year of the linux desktop........again"
That's 2015. Android 8, which had merged with ChromeOS in Android 7, runs well enough on laptops to be a full on desktop OS. You think I'm joking? Yeah, course, I am, There's no way microsoft would throw out a string of turkeys so bad they end up losing the desktop, all the while watching Android starting to run on tablets with physical keyboards, clearly showing the direction it's moving in. Oh, wait...
Re: actually quite a good os underneath... - until you try the competition
Not wasting any more time on this, just go and Google for yourself. Or use some script kiddie style wrapper some losers threw up around it:
From the BBC website, June 1st 2013:
"It's been 8 months since the disastrous launch of Windows 8, and the long-suffering shareholders have finally had enough. Steve Ballmer the CEO blamed for the companies biggest failure ever, dwarfing even the Vista failure of 2007, has resigned having seen the share price plummet to a third of its value at the start of the year. Not even the hastily constructed "Consumer Desktop" Edition of 3 months ago, where the unfamiliar tiles interface was replaced with the Windows 7 one, plus the return of the start menu, was enough to get any kind of significant sales moving. The dominance of Android on the handset and tablets meant users who had seen and heard all the negative press regarding Windows 8 avoided sales there too, thus compounding the problem. Steve Sinofsky, Head of Android User Experience at Google, said "the writing was on the wall all along. I wish them well, but a significant culture change is needed before any good can emerge now. And they can start by listening to their users."
Re: Surprise us all
Thumbs up from me - nice post!
Huh? To see what Apple are innovating right now, just look at any Android handset. NFC, multi user accounts, widgets, proper notifications, proper multitasking, a framework for apps which actually do scale properly to different form factors rather than fobbing off with letterboxing and err, oh yes, maps. Followed a year later by them suing everyone who dared innovate their innovation first, natch.
My wife, Clippy Metrozune, doesn't rate it much either.
Paris, for we talking of all style, no substance.
That is all.
The sales figures are starting to arrive, perhaps that will cheer them up: http://techland.time.com/2012/11/19/windows-8-the-seven-roads-not-taken/
Re: @ AC @ 12:42 GMT
@ItsNoteMe The FACT that you USE that fucking annoying STYLE of capitalizing RANDOM words in your POST says it ALL, buddy.
Re: Reg Readers these days...
"Microfans"? I though the name given to them had been established since it's just the obvious descriptive term:
Nokia + Windows = NoWins aka Losers
If only microsoft had invested the $5 per handset they extort from the Android manufacturers into some R&D instead of having to fake queues outside stores, photos it takes and "reviews" from their astroturfers infesting blogs and forums.
Anyone flashed one of these with Android?
The hardware looks decent enough, and it's unlikely to have exactly the same faults in the same places from different manufacturers. Would someone give it a go, just to tell us what we already know please? Well, apart from the bright yellow one which is clearly beyond redemption, no matter if it runs quality software or WP8.
Isn't giving someone an iPhone just another way of saying "get lost" these days?
Re: You sir have been sucked into Apple's versions of events.
"There's still room for improvement but it's perfectly usable."
Re: This is so funny
"preferring to push the point the Apple products were inferior to the Android product" - what's changed? If Apple allow this, it makes it even more obvious since the users will all avoid the onboard iOS maps.
"Siri, run a shit mapping app please" - up pops iOs maps.
"Siri, run a quality mapping app please" - up pops Google Maps.
The Market agrees
Apple stock plunges again
Re: I wonder if
Perhaps there is more of a parallel here than people realise, except in Sinofskys case it was the W8 disaster apology letter he refused to sign.
And so it begins
It's a cut n paste job from the same report 2 years ago
If he deals with Apple he is an idiot
What the issue here?
Re: What if . . .
A Mitch Romney type Mormon you mean? They'd need a 1-many entity relationship manager. Then again, they're in San Francisco, so it'd need to be many-many.
Still, I find those figures *lovely* and 2013 - the year history will come to call "Microsofts year of Hell" - hasn't even started yet.
Then Engadget should have been called "a bunch of absolute cretins, since microsoft don't make phones" - their business is more along the lines of wrecking the ones that do, like Sendo and Nokia, and then scarpering with the loot just before the shit hits the fan, like this asshole did, as if he thought they'd be able to fix the shite he showed in the only video of him anyone will remember: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QRWa68MtLc
Yes, and seeing as we're talking about *all* phones, please add microsofts share. Oh, I see - it won't make any difference, sorry.
Android / Apple / Microsoft
Android taking a much bigger bite out of Apple.
A wrinkled old Apple full of maggots
Microsoft - just a broken window with rats leaping out of it will do
Nokia - similar, since it's just a microsoft department now, but make that a sinking ship sailing away from a burning platform..
I coined this phrase in another thread, and it fits what we're seeing here perfectly - microsoft itself, its crappy tablets and of course its unusable software which is as big a joke when it comes to security as its always been.
Re: Oh dear
"...misquote by the French magazine"
They actually said merde.
He was on a burning platform
W8 on desktops and handsets is so obviously set to fail that he scarpered before the pubic get wind of how bad it really is, and it's all over the tech press for months. Who knows? He may go to Nokia - their asshole of a leader is now standing on that same burning platform, so kicking them all out and going Android would make him the turnaround hero of the century.
Well, nothing else for it. I'll just have to get one of those bright yellow WP8 models then.
If he's responsible for Win8, he's damaged microsoft far more than any mere blogger could, so you get a thumbs up from me for making that crystal clear.
WTF? I use Bob every day. IE for Bob is hands down the fastest, easiest and most reliable way to surf the net, and IE for Kin the best for mobile bar none. Android users can only weep at the news you never hear of viruses for that handset. Anyway, just because *you* don't like them, doesn't mean everyone doesn't. Why, I was just given a lecture here recently after mentioning WP8 market share when the ms astroturfers told me market share is no measure of quality, quoting the Sun as an example. Unlike the rapidly-ending decades of desktop OS dominance they enjoyed, for some reason.
And it's only going to get better - Microsoft Bob Cloud Enterprise 1.0 (Professional) is due early next year - we'll see who's laughing then!
Re: $25 Android pad coming soon...
"Under* estimates, of course.
@AC 11:58 I know here they both went, too. Here's the autotune version for a little variety: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_x9sAyYz-U
Re: Not surprising
Who'd have thought it - these app less, overpriced tablets running experimental, untested software which come apart at the seams after less than a weeks use aren't doing too well. Still, at least the WP8 sales figures are looking good. Aren't they?
Open in action
Would $25 even cover the license fee of any alternative?
Re: beat me to it
Its the second actually, and Steorn were the first when it comes to taking the piss too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steorn
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