234 posts • joined Saturday 24th December 2011 02:23 GMT
Great news, but steady on :-)
While this is great and surprising, even shocking news given pricing patterns over the last two decades, and it doesn't hurt to be optimistic, and hopefully this endures as evidence of the mobilcomms market functioning like it should to bring low consumer prices and a good offering through competition, it's been an enormously long time coming, and is hardly a resounding confirmation of efficient market hypothesis as such!
The fact the likes of...all the other operators have, cartel-like, singularly failed to price-compete on roaming, indeed going backwards in many instances over the years, very solidly confirms the need for a Steelie Neelie. Would that we had her in other sectors. #bringbackthetechnocrats
Re: A case for the competition authorities?
"And in the real world car makers make their dealers commit to a certain volume as they need to commit to their production line etc. etc."
Indeed, however, unlike in the mobile phone industry, there is no single car manufacturer which has the market power to systematically extract supracompetitive profits from dealers, to the cost of other manufacturers and consumers of other products. Furthermore, unlike in the mobile phone industry, cars are not dominated by a luxury manufacturer whose market power enables it to load high costs onto consumers of non-luxury cars as a matter of course.
I don't think Apple are the commercial target; rather, other Android manufacturers are, I suspect, whose lack of price-competitive handsets with better than landfill specs may be being seen by Google as the chief constraint on greater OS uptake (?)
Re: Talking with passengers
"There are so many distractions. Single seat cars, driver pods, robotics, the only real way to stop accidents us to take the driver out of the equation, hey why not ban cars altogether?"
What is it about libertarians that they come out with obtuse and ill-thought-out either-or responses to any idea of state intervention to protect human beings from themselves or others?
You realize, Dr. Angelo...
...that my intelligence has surpassed yours...
Re: Get nothing for free
You can turn off the Google Plus spams. I used to get one a day or one a week but as a reputable company they do have an optout link. Haven't had one in a very long time.
@thesykes Re: This just in
"There are certain companies that wouldn't dream of doing such a thing as lowering the price."
Indeed quite right - this product seems to be deliberately aimed at forcing other Android manufacturers into proper price-competition with good handsets at the lower end, probably as a push to get half a billion or so more users using the OS. They've really avoided competing in recent years, except on the high-end.
Re: This just in
Very good phone which other people clearly with considerably less money than me can afford and therefore which can have no interest for anybody who matters to me i.e. me.
There, fixed that for you.
Re: Danger Will Robinson
You're essentially arguing for a return to city-states and town hall politics, but as Dahl, successfully I believe, argues, this is only a viable form of political structure until small regional political units such as city-states gang up militarily and economically on other city states, which is then absorbed until a large unit, a nation-state emerges. For this reason small politically sovereign units are obsolete.
Additionally, too much power delegated to local units in federal systems creates inefficiency and sclerosis and the inability to make national policies in response to national challenges, such as effectively managing an economy. The nation-state is a creature of political necessity.
Sounds like the perfect replacement for a Huawei Ascend G300
mine is an absolute PITA what with not picking up email reliably, not being able to cope with basic apps like swiftkey or whatsapp without slowing to a crawl, browser dying all the time...
There are frequent prime time TV adverts for non-mandatory forms of insurance? I find that hard to believe.
As for "the poor", gambling is not the only way out of poverty, we are not living in the third world, there are jobs, there is entrepreneurship, there is training, there is initiative and autonomy and freedom, there is a £140 per week minimum pension guarantee, and where people are so disabled that the former options aren't realistic, then the state ensures they have a higher income and quality of life than they would otherwise.
Granted, some fall between the cracks, and this isn't the most satisfactory setup in many ways, however, gambling is still a route to more poverty for everyone who does it, including the winners, partly because they're not statistically trained (if they were they wouldn't bother in the first place), and partly because most of them are addicts who studies show aren't looking for a win but to lose, that's the payoff, and they don't stop until all their money and assets are gone.
Re: This is England?
Hi Mage, you're quite right about the so-called "warranties", i.e. Applecare, being an unconscionable bargain and likely a transaction which could be mostly voided by the English courts.
However, I'm afraid it's nothing to do with the EU directive, this is the Sale of Goods Act 1893 as amended and reinterpreted through the common law. Additionally, the EU directive which mandates that goods must "conform to contract" for two years, isn't a maximum OR a minimum lifetime: directives never stop EU member states from having more extensive consumer protection, which the UK has, and "conform to contract" means "be reasonably durable considering the cost", which could mean it only need last for a day, if it only cost one Euro.
Claims for injury are barred after 3 years in the UK rather than 6 by the way. As for the above law applying throughout the UK, the "English legal system" is how we describe the law covering England and Wales, because Scotland have their own court system, who may do things differently.
This is England: the Sale Of Goods Act implies a term into all contracts for consumer goods wherein it must be reasonably durable (i.e. considering all factors including the cost), and which permits small claims cases against the company for up to 6 years after the date of purchase. A £1k laptop ought to last 5 years plus. Any less with careful use gives rise to liability for Apple to either repair, replace, or pay a partial refund based on reasonable expected lifetime less a deduction precisely pro-rata for usage, e.g. 5-6 years less however many you had it for.
So all this Cupertinian non-repairability nonsense just doesn't work in the English legal system. They'll be the ones footing the bill if people pursue their legal rights.
Alternatively, ensure you pay for it on a credit card because the CC provider has joint liability with Apple.
Looks great but I'm not sure there's any way of not routing UK mobile calls other than through their service which offers them for 5p per min, plus 1pm connection charge, which is admittedly much better than most UK payg, but much worse than UK pay monthly. Would be interested if they or anyone else knows whether using one's ordinary provider is permissible while retaining Bibitel for other calls. Plus whether there is any UK calling-landline option and tariff.
Re: No great loss
Of course I am being a bit reckless here in not warning you that the judge will decide what happened on a balance of probabilities, i.e. what was likely to have been true. So if there is any reason why he might think you used the thing as a football, you might not have any luck.
A claim would be on the basis that the item failed to fulfil minimum standards of reasonable durability. By swearing in court that the thing was treated with care, you've probably travelled most of the route of establishing that.
Re: No great loss
Lloyd, disputes over distance consumer sales within the EU are always triable in the courts of the country in which the consumer made the purchase. You're also covered by s75 of the Consumer Credit Act: if you paid by credit card and it was more than £100, your card provider would be jointly liable for the whole purchase price less a pro-rata deduction for use of the item based on fair expected lifetime (which is anything up to six years depending on the price paid). You may have a retrospective claim against your credit card provider - often they just cough up straight away over the phone. Alternatively, principles of European consumer law are virtually identical between major western European countries, both have to follow, e.g. the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations, and a minimum period of two years of 'conformity to contract', i.e suitability, and often durability etc are required of consumer goods across the EU.
In reality, under accepted international norms of contract law, you were owed a warranty AND the ordinary protections of the consumer law of France and the EU (as well as the s75 protections mentioned above): indeed this is precisely what you paid for, and weren't granted. These are very simple facts you can bring to a small claims court in the UK for a fee of £20. Bring the whole story. Provide the evidence you already have, and no more. And I do believe the judge will poo all over Pixmania and grant your claim against them, which you can then have fun enforcing, either through a bailiff or other means. That's if ringing your credit card provider and telling them what happened, won't work.
All of this assumes you didn't drop/abuse the camera, of course.
Re: "Ann Frank's drum kit"
In addition to all the criticism levelled at you thus far, with which I thoroughly agree, I must point out that your statement
"Its a pet hate with me when people go off at half-educated-cock to protect one group of persecuted people yet usually are the same people who'll happily put the bums rush up the gypsies."
seeks to impute to the earlier commenter, hypocrisy which you have no evidence he/she possesses, based on your imagining he is probably intolerant of Roma. I wouldn't dignify such a risible assertion with even the designation of "fallacy". Being even half-educated might have prevented you from making it: alas...
Re: Trolls @ Joe Montana
"Yes competition is good, but given how much microsoft have done to stifle competition in other markets there are many of us who want to avoid them ever getting any form of traction in other markets out of fear of the same things happening again."
Do you think firms engage in competition out of charitable goodwill to mankind? No! You as a commercial market actor engage in only as much competition as you must. If you could charge £10 million per year as your salary, you would. As it happens you're obliged to compete with other people presumably offering much less to provide what you do.
The only reason you're not complaining about Apple is they're a luxury goods maker. Customers of luxury goods makers queue up to be ripped off, that's the whole point. So nobody is accusing Apple of anticompetitive behaviour because they're simply not involved in markets for essential products. Their products are unless you're a graphic designer completely superfluous.
Re: Nokia becoming more like M$oft alredy
I'm not so sure.
You say "M$oft" but a lot of people aren't so... adolescent about things like $s. Don't you need $s? Or £s or something? Doesn't Apple need $s? We can't all be Linus Torwhatever he's called.
In reality Nokia could have gone to the wall and sacked all its staff. As it happens it's been bought by a company which has taken over its debts. Good news for people who like great Finnish tech.
Re: Game over already
I've seen a review comparing both and on detail the Nokia blows the Xperia Z1 out of the water.
Does anyone know
whether it's possible to hack these things so they run Windows, and properly?
I need a lightweight Haswell Windows machine for university as only that will run the voice activated software I require in order to type more than a paragraph or two. Unfortunately the main lightweight Haswell machines thus far are nearly a grand a pop.
@ David W Re: Can I just say
To my mind half the point of paying big money for a luxury good is to emphasise one's identity. At my law school, the lecture theatre is a sea of Macbook Airs, with some Pros chucked in. I know they're good hardware. But when *almost everybody* buys into the "I've bought an expensive creative tool and I'm therefore more unique and individual" then that almost everybody has actually divested him/herself, in equal measure, of the very individuality whose increase was sought. That's a fashion thing.
Incidentally OSX doesn't run the Dragon Naturallyspeaking software I need in order to function as an ordinary human being (massive RSI) and I returned my iPad because Apple wouldn't allow Swype install, making the tablet unusable for me. So a disutility for the disabled user on the one hand and a contempt for him on the other.
Aesthetics and utility are not coterminous, contrary to dogma doing the rounds.
Re: Can I just say @Tapeador
I suppose OSX interfaces might not be intrinsically hateworth, but iTunes and iOS most certainly is: replacing perfectly good text menus within apps with hip icons which obscure rather than reveal; I can think of little more inane and infuriating.
Can I just say
I use the "Windows 95" interface option in Windows 7's settings. As far as I am concerned Apple can fuck off and die. Obviously as far as everyone else is concerned Apple is the new Jehovah. But I can't think of a better reason to despise it.
Re: A finger of fudge
You got there before me! I suppose the next question is how many fingers a year are lost this way. Come to think of it t the violent killing of the owner might precede digitectomy in a number of cases....
Save even more and get a petrol car and drive it gently. 1.4 VWs seem to get that at the mo. Or just get a small-engined diesel. My 1.4hdi Peugeot will get 80mpg on a run at lorry speeds.
Re: Sony... Oh well.
Unfortunately with Sony's involvement you know that the format...
- will be priced absurdly high.
Who's pointing a gun to your head to buy it? Tell you what - when you're ready and overjoyed at working for $3 a day, then you can argue always-low prices for discretionary purchases have some positive moral content
- will be smothered with poorly implemented DRM.
Right, because who needs property rights? By the way, I'm confiscating your house. Freedom of the bricks-and-mortar superhighway, see? Enjoy.
- will arrive at least 2 years late.
Hey I thought you didn't want it anyway?
- will, 'for your protection and enjoyment', require the installation if a root kit (a 'rights management driver') if you want to play the disc on a PC.
- will have absurd amounts of non-skipable adverts, dire warnings about piracy killing kittens etc...
Because piracy only kills kittens, it has nothing to do with hundreds of thousands, if not millions of jobs and careers in the arts, industries even, being destroyed.
Who cares what a cretin like you thinks anyway?
In 2006 my Nokia E61 was on the passenger seat of my MKII VW Golf, whose rear footwells had filled with water to a depth of three inches (it happened when the air vents at the front would get blocked with leaves). Going round a bend, the phone shot off the seat and went splosh into the water. It filled up behind the screen and switched itself off :-( I took its bits off, put it in the airing cupboard for two weeks with a big pack of silica gel, and it worked. Seven years and many, many drops onto pavements later it still does. #bombproof.
I've been to Royston and
can assure you 24hr ANPR is proportionate...
Maybe instead of calling it an iPhone
They can call it [insert some stupid and unhelpful icon here] as with their horrible non-textual graphical interface.
Then they can lock it down good and proper so disabled users can't load UI mod apps which are standard fare on Android. Oh, wait, they did that already.
Re: What surprises me is
Illegal immigration, dufus. At least according to Nijel Faraj, leader of RKIP.
Aber doch, mein freund... http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheridan01/8668783444/sizes/k/in/photostream/
Re: No memory card, fixed battery
I dunno, 32gb will give, oh, 700-800 shots at full resolution? Please don't tell me that's what you take in a day of casual use! Yes I suppose the battery might run out some way before the max. Then there is the clip-on battery/camera grip to help. And there are a lot of 'mobile external battery' products on the market which could extend things further. Plus Nokia have always been the masters of super-long battery life - I'd be surprised if they'd given that up just by going Windows.
re: safe for whom? Anyone involved in illegal activities?
Well exactly. Spot on. Those posting below are essentially paranoid fantasists: they think companies want to and will risk prosecution for listening to their phone calls and reading their texts. They think exes will hack their information and somehow use it to paint them as a worse human being than that which they actually are (or expose them for being a total bastard). They think da gubmint actually gives a monkeys about anything they have to say to one another.
And most of all, they think their petty, wrongheaded fictions more worth responding to than the imperatives of keeping us safe from actual threats, i.e. terrorism and large-scale organised crime.
States aren't built on privacy: they're built on the protection of life and property. The thieving Pirate Bay scum writing this thing may value the former over the latter two, but I'd vouch that's because they're the ones taking other people's property without paying for it, who actually ARE likely to be targeted, quite rightly, by law enforcement authorities. There is no such similar benefit for the idiots who've paid for this.
I just think of the old articles which said a used phone is dirtier than a bag of poo or something...
Re: staff unfailingly polite, helpful and eager
Ah, now the warranty Apple provides is a totally separate promise over and above some very powerful statutory rights which you possess.
Now the 2yr minimum is indeed in effect only a guideline, you're right - but falls below the protections typically obtaining within English law, which tell you that you may expect goods to work properly for up to six years, depending on how much you paid. The EU measure is that the goods must 'conform to contract' for two years, i.e. be reasonably durable etc. The measurement of reasonable lifespan applicable in English law (and likely applicable in EU law), is really how long it's reasonable to expect something to last given all relevant considerations including the price.
What isn't applicable in measuring the reasonable lifespan is the consumer's mistaken beliefs as to how little they're owed by the retailer!
However as a failsafe, it's always important to pay on a UK credit card when buying goods over £100 - as the credit card provider is jointly liable for the goods fulfilling all the above criteria: so when a £400 iPad goes kaput after a year and Apple don't want to know, then, if you don't fancy taking them to small claims court, you can just ring up your credit card provider, and they'll ordinarily pay out a refund then and there with a pro-rata deduction for usage against the expected lifespan. So your £400 iPad will probably have an expected life of three or four years, against which they'll deduct one year. So £266 or £300 as a refund.
Erm, curvature of the earth, anyone?
Surely if you shoot something for 200 miles the curvature of the earth will preclude straight-line firing, not to mention the position of the earth changing during the projectile travel?
Re: RIAA are you listening?
Piracy has meant only business models with a user price near enough to zero can provide an appealing alternative to piracy to your average freetard.
Let's suppose thieves take one of your kidneys without your permission (are we getting empathetic now?) - and also a kidney from everyone in the UK, likewise. Or perhaps just from everybody involved in the film and music industries in any way. Everyone who previously needed a kidney can get one cheap because there are so many available, which their new owners didn't have to invest their lives into producing. It is so easy to get a kidney that only those who price at next to nothing can make a sale. The price of a kidney becomes $0.0013. Does this mean that the damage the thieves caused could be quantified at $0.0013?
Clue - no.
So releasing documents which help instruct on how to build a nuke will somehow help world peace...?
Shurely shome mishtake?
Re: "it’s like carrying a tiny black hole with you"
I'm not so sure, it looked to me like what on Android fall to often memory-sapping third-party basic functionality apps and widgets, had here been integrated into the main OS.
If it runs the National Rail app, maps, satnav, good sound recording (looks outstanding), a fuck off camera, (ditto), a digital radio app, email, browsing the internet, and a few other bits and bobs, isn't that enough? Isn't it a bit diminishing returns to ask for much else? Do I really need Hello Kitty Koran/Bible reader app and Rejkjavik Tourism Info app et al?
Re: The feds are not going to stop themselves
"Not to defend the corrupt evil practices of the Sony's of the world"
What are those evil practices? Paying for artists to work to create joy for you? Oh yeah, really evil.
Re: Accusation should not equal guilt
"Purely as a matter of interest, if you were to be accused of a crime, which country would you prefer to be in?
The UK and Sweden are out since so many cretins believe that they are both subservient to US law (Assange). Perhaps you would prefer France where you only get a jury trial if the offence carries a sentence of 15 years or more."
The UK has a European arrest warrant for Assange issued by Sweden. Not by the USA. The UK is a sovereign state in which the rule of law including the right to a fair trial is absolutely sacrosanct - much more so than the USA. That's why - unlike the American public defender system - we spend a fortune on the very best lawyers to defend the worst criminals; that's why it has taken us 10 years and running to deport Abu Qatada.
Re: Accusation should not equal guilt
"And at that it is only an accusation. Sure, in the United States, accusation is operationally equivalent to guilt. However, it should not be. We have both a right and a duty to demand better."
I see. So if I hold up grocery stores, the cops can't take away my guns or restrain me or keep me from fleeing or take the stolen cash off me until a jury says so?
My point is this is a case about massive harm to copyright holders which is ongoing. Then there is the matter of the criminal charges against an individual. They're linked issues but require different handling.
Re: Bad idea
"Do you trust your government?"
To do what? To carry out the primary duty of government, which is to create an environment within which we can reasonably seek a good life for ourselves, by it in part combatting crime and terrorism? Well every time I read that it's been doing this, such as by properly snooping on internet users, I trust it more; and every time I fear it may listen to people like you who would forego and protest against every protection against a Hobbesian state of nature, I trust it less. Why should an object or transmission portal being high-tech render it somehow sacrosanct as though it were some sovereign space beyond the reach of any state?
Re: Good looking on Radio
"No, I shall not sir. To do so would be ungallant!"
Was just thinking the same thing.
Although that James Naughtie bird is definitely a bit of a minger
Still waiting for that legal alternative that is as good as the illegal offering..
You fucking what?
"I steal because those who wish to charge me haven't yet found a way to offer products to me at the same low zero cost to me of my theft".
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