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What about SLES?
I'd to ask those who know - how does OpenSUSE compare to SLES?
Noy just iPads...
I worked at a site with about 80-100 staff - creatives, musicians, programmers etc - and the IT guy had set up a Windows domain for the site. He said that he had originally tried to keep everybody on MS machines. I mentioned that I'd seen lots of Macs and he agreed - he said his life wasn't easy because about half the staff were using Macs - only the office types were sat behind their standard issue PC's.
To me the problem is MS - they should make his life easier by providing tools to enable integration of Apple products. This is only going to happen more.
Later in the month he mentioned that they's taken on fourteen new members of staff - and thirteen had turned up with Macs!
Was this related to the Azure failure?
Seems to be a huge coincidence.
Similar to the Blaster worm and and Northeast power outage of 2003.
Re: Is this problem with azure related to the obamacare website problems?
BTW - it was the 2003 power outage in the north east of the US.
Is this problem with azure related to the obamacare website problems?
Seems a bit of a coincidence.
A bit like when the Blaster worm was at it's peak and then power stations failed causing the massive power outage in the US.
You will be bored but...
Honestly guys - just install Xubuntu. It will take about 30 mins and all future updates are free and easy. Also, tens of thousands of apps are available free from the Ubuntu Software Centre.
The problem is you will have a clean, easy-to-use desktop which just sits and waits. You can run apps and do things - but the whole job of dealing with the OS will be gone - so you will be bored!
The good news is that once you've weaned yourself off the 'Dealing with Windows problems' addiction you can get on with other stuff - such as Reddit, finding the really cool sites, developing for Android, doing your accounts, etc etc etc.
Some places will have to watch out.
Twenty PC's at 3.5GB each - 70GB total.
Fifty PC's at 3.5GB each - 175GB total.
Most broadband connections have a fair use policy and if not careful some places may exceed the allowance and then lose their internet connection.
Re: Classification? By WHOM exactly???
'When the sole function of the war on drugs seems to be keeping the liquor and pharmaceutical companies in business, perhaps we should stop listening to their lies.'
And don't forget the arms companies.
After the end of the cold war they needed a new market - and the 'War on drugs' provides one. Apache helicopters and SWAT teams to pull up cannabis plants by hand - it would be laughable if it wasn't for the thousands tortured and murdered due to drugs cartels being illegal and having to sort out their trade disputes with psychopaths.
Never though I'd support lawyers but I'd much prefer such disputes to be sorted out in the courts.
Re: Why not release XP as open source?
RE 'Win XP has a pretty clear and well defined upgrade path'
I don't think Windows 8 will run on the vast majority of machines which are currently running XP.
And I think there is a national security issue here - after the end of XP support there are going to be millions of vulnerable PC's which will either contain sensitive information or which could be used to attack servers - so maybe MS does have a (moral/financial) responsibility to sort it out. After all, companies which create pollution are required to clear up to stop the pollution affecting others - so maybe the same for MS in this case leaving behind millions of vulnerable PC's. And to me - open sourcing XP would be the easiest, cheapest and fastest way to achieve the clear up.
Why not release XP as open source?
MS would gain as it would keep people on an MS product - and MS would surely gain later in server/services sales. Otherwise there will be more migrations to Linux/Macs - and once people have moved away from MS on the desktop the server side will follow.
The world would gain as XP could continue as an operating system which is supported. XP would also improve drastically - look at how much superior Mint/Ubuntu/MacOS/etc is to XP is terms of features and speed.
What I'm saying is that MS should give away the client OS as a way of keeping people using their servers and services. What they have to be aware of is a simple fact - once people have moved from Windows to MacOS/Linux they never switch back.
There are millions of dedicated MS fanbois out there and if they were given the code I'm sure they'd make huge improvements to XP over time.
Even the Linux/OS community would gain because having an open source XP would provide competition which is usually a driver of better products.
Re: It's a good start.
You're probably right - atheism is more a belief in Newtonian physics for most people. I.e. the universe is just a bunch of stuff floating about. The problem is that people are lead to believe that we've reached the end of physics - when we have much more to find out still.
Looks very interesting...
I looked at using Symfony for this purpose but it was not a good fit. I ended up using Drupal with the rest_ws module which has worked well.
Re: It's a good start.
Atheism IS a belief - in the Standard Model of physics.
But all you atheists out there should be aware that the standard model is far from proven - it can't explain gravity for instance. Which leads us to New Physics - and New Physics has some very strange aspects.
Re: I' not buying the Groklaw arguments - see the evidence..
Surely it's not impossible to have secure email; PGP, their own server using SSL etc etc.
I feel they've been leant on - and this is scary stuff.
The arms companies must be pleased - such a massive expense to catch one man...
...can anyone explain by how much this will reduce drug usage worldwide? 20% - 30%? - LOL!
It will make no difference at all.
Now we can see why the arms industries want to keep drugs illegal - since the cold war shut down they had to find a new market. At what the arms companies want they tend to get cos we don't have enough politicians with the balls to stand up to them.
Catching this one man will make no difference to the illegal drug trade - and the arms companies will be able to sell yet more kit to catch whoever takes his place.
The sooner the prohibition on all drugs is removed the sooner this world will be a saner place.
Is what you humans call - devops?
I'm interested in this area as I've developed a framework for carrying out continuous integration. It is currently primarily for Drupal and is currently going through a code cleanup - but it does work and I've used it at a couple of companies - it is at: https://github.com/SSVC/pullpush/wiki . Version 1.0 should be available in the next few weeks.
To me - the key points are:
* If it is small changes then tweaking the live site should be do-able - but what about large upgrades?
* Rather than pushing changes up to a live site we should pull live data down to a new version of the site.
* How easy/quick is it to roll back to a safe, known good version if a rollout goes bad.
I've also posted a blog post about another way of getting continuous integration for Drupal sites - http://www.freewayprojects.com/2013/08/maybe-we-should-use-separate-drupal-sites-for-backend-data-and-for-front-end-presentation/
As websites contain more and more data this subject is becoming more and more important.
Will it bring apt-x...
...to the Nexus 10?
I would sort out the base problem
I would sort out the base problem which is the reliance on MS. Once you look at it you will be open to a range of slick, clean and more user friendly applications.
Of course, once you're away from the reliance on MS then there are a range of FLOSS solutions available for the hardware.
Re: the US has done it's work
'Snowden has been smart enough to avoid Wikileak, although I noticed with some amusement that Assange was attempting to ride the publicity by claiming "he'd been in indirect contact with Snowden's people". That's total BS'
Seems that it was not total BS as you so boldly asserted. So, the other statements you've made are suspect as well.
Re: the US has done it's work
You're making bold statements. Do you have any links to back all the points you made?
Re: the US has done it's work
'As for technical ability: seriously? You really have no idea of some of the people on this forum..'
OK - more technical ability than *most* of the people posting on this site.
'for his own ends' - you're just assuming that.
Could equally be 'for the benefit of freedom and democracy'.
'Just don't try to sell Assange as some sort of hero'
Anyone who stands up to the full might of the good ol' US of A is certainly brave - and doing it to expose immoral acts carried out by that government certainly makes them heroic. I'm not sure how many of us would have the balls to do it.
'attempting to ride the publicity' - again that's merely your opinion.
What I'm saying is that there is a cleverly built consensus that Asssange is an egotist - where did that come from? How was it built?
'Snowden has been smart enough to avoid Wikileak' Why smart? I don't understand you. Are you saying you hate Wikileaks and would prefer it not to exist? Surely, the more ways of getting dirty secrets out the better?
And let's now see what happens to Snowden. The vilification has probably already started.
'by claiming "he'd been in indirect contact with Snowden's people". That's total BS'
How do you know it's BS? That's you assuming the worst about Asssange - why? It could well be true.
'If we really insist on the "evil" following laws and have the guilty punished, we cannot make exceptions'. I think you're saying that we should all obey all the laws at all times no matter what evil a government is up to.
What about when governments are subverting/breaking/inventing laws for immoral reasons - protecting the rich, locking people up without trial, repressing the poor, etc etc. To point out the obvious (and to prove Godwin's law), Hitler/Stalin/etc all had plenty of laws. They also cleverly invented plenty of scapegoats and fooled millions.
the US has done it's work
Somehow, someone who has more balls and more technical ability than anyone posting on these forums has been royally screwed over - and has been vilified and made into a scapegoat.
He did not murder civilians, he did not even steal the info. He has merely set up a system to enable us to see what a morally bankrupt political system is up to.
Ask yourself, would you rather wikileaks didn't exist? Do you think it's OK for the US government to secretly do whatever it likes - Guantanamo, rendition, regime change, police brutality, Drone attacks, Abu Grahib, Prism, etc etc etc?
We need brave people to stand up to evil - not sheep who can't see a scapegoat being set up right before their eyes.
Ubuntu should have kept their focus
I think Canonical should have stayed focused on the Desktop and Laptop market. Gnome 2 should have been kept and just made leaner/cleaner/better.
Unity *may* pay off - and colleagues seem to like it - but I've changed to Xubuntu and this has been great for me.
If Canonical had stuck to the desktop only idea and kept with Gnome 2 they could have left Android, iOS and possibly Chrome to fight it out on the phone, phablet, tablet space.
Re: Are there really ....
According to Wikipedia:
'Drupal.org has a large community of users and developers, with over 913,000 user accounts and over 22,600 developer accounts (As of December 2012)'
The user accounts are for users who want to participate in the forums, post bugs etc.
The developer accounts are for the developers who have gone through the fairly arduous process of creating a module which is both substantial and passes strict reviews. They are then allowed to create modules which are uploaded to the Drupal module database.
In fact, only modules which have been created by authorised developers are allowed on to Drupal. Of course, they're not all perfect but this system does help keep the quality up.
Re: @AC 13:27
I think you're a bit out -of-date.
Mint, Ubuntu etc install far more easily than Windows these days. A sixty something year old friend of my Dad's found the Ubuntu install so easy that he literally couldn't believe it was true. This was after years of struggling to get Windows to do things. So he installed Ubuntu two more times and of course it just installed perfectly each time in under thirty minutes.
GIMP is very professional and works fine for my limited needs. I'm not an expert but OH is a Graphic Designer and PS and GIMP look very similar to me.
Libre Office is used by our administrator who only ever used Office before and she's absolutely fine with it. The only difference is that LO is faster. In fact, I've installed Ubuntu and LO for a few small offices and they use it fine - i.e. I don't get any calls!
I suggest you get a recent Linux distro - (Mint is a good one for newbies - although I would also recommend Xubuntu). Once you try it I'm sue you'll be amazed. Until you try it I suggest you should hang fire on comments like you've made because this is a techie's site and you're coming across as a Fanboi.
Re: But they are required
Angered RE legalising all drugs. Huge tax income, huge savings on military expenditure spent on the futile war on drugs.
Of course, the arms companies want the war on drugs to continue - but there's always hope - just see washington state.
Re: I'm not sure if I have this right
To correct my own post...
You can take the game there - but then have to sign in to your own account which stores scores etc. But it does stop you from lending the games around and swapping.
This is still going to be hugely damaging to this new Xbox - you can't sell, lend or borrow games - without paying nigh on the full price again?!?
I'm not sure if I have this right
So - if I have a new Xbox1 - and have a couple of games for it - is this article saying that I can NOT take the game around to my friend's house and play it on his Xbox1?
Seriously? If that's the case then providing Sony don't do something as dumb then I think the console war is over and the PS4 will be the new standard.
Re: XBox One == Creepy Snooping Apparatus
Why are they reading emails? As the article explains, it's not to check for spam.
Re: XBox One == Creepy Snooping Apparatus
Why does Eadon get down-voted for this.
I think it's actually a very good point. I'm certainly no conspiracy theorist - I go for cock-up before conspiracy. But say the feds want to investigate someone then being able to access a camera and microphone in their front room is going to be very tempting. And let's face it - from Geoge W's time when he stopped the breakup of MS they owe the US govt big time.
I'm not too bothered in the UK where plod tends to be fairly reasonable - but in the US - where they can lock people up for twenty five years for stealing a pair of socks, have Guantanamo, frame people and lock them in solitary for forty years - it might be worth bearing in mind.
Shame for Nokia...
...if they could release an Android version then this would probably be a huge hit.
Re: Samsung took over the Nokia market
Eadon makes a good point - I hadn't really thought of that before. I was a Nokia only customer but moved to an HTC Android - and now have an S4 which is a fairly amazing phone.
Re: So Fugly it's mother would feed it with a catapult
Although I have to say...
I'm on holiday with a friend who is a non nonsense ex-army type etc. Last time we were away he had a new windows phone. We're away again this weekend and I asked him where is phone was and he said it had been returned as he couldn't get on with it. He now has an old blackberry - no nonsense, works as a phone and he can read messages and emails.
For him to bother with returning a phone it must have been a pain - I'll ask tomorrow what the problem was exactly. I know it's a sample of one but it might have happened to others as well.
That's why I waited for the Nexus 10 cos it has multiple user accounts.
So good to see common sense breaking out.
Looks like Tariq Rashid is sticking to his guns. We should support him in any way possible.
As I warned - the pressure will be applied to him - let's hope he's made of stern stuff - I wrote at the time:
How can we support this guy?
Tariq will come under immense pressure as there is so much money involved. He'll probably be offered a consultancy job with MS/EDS/usual suspects - millions per year - no need to actually do anything - in other words 'the usual'. ISTR MS have previous in this area.
Obviously, as anyone with experience and intelligence knows, open source software is a huge, massive improvement. Reduced costs, more flexibility, improved security, etc etc etc. Problem is - huge corps will lose out on lovely guaranteed government (taxpayer) money. Switching to open source software could go a huge way towards reducing our deficit.
Let's hope Tariq can get his dept filled with other intelligent people - or can get other informed people into positions within other departments. Or get backing from other open source friendly companies such as Red Hat.
Either that or let's hope he's on a mission.
Tariq - if you're reading. The pressure on you is going to be huge, subtle - stick, carrot - they'll probably try both. Please stick to your guns. You have a chance here to transform IT and stop billions of wasted pounds going to the US. You will get your reward later - the thanks from the British people. Also, there's no point in being extremely rich if you feel like a shit.
My other half worked at a company where a guy worked who had sold out his great graphics app to MS who then shut it down. He was then forbidden by the buy-out contract from working in that area of software.
OK, he could come to work in a different car every day - but he was a miserable little guy.
I stand corrected.
As you say - not all apps are on the front screen - it looks like the front screen should be used for the most common apps. And then - if neeeded - you can swipe the the left to get a basic list view of all apps.
Re: Almost perfect
I felt the same way.
This is a part of a post I made before:
After trying a WinPho8 again today I figured out why I don't like it
Trying to be fair I've had several tries on a WinPho 8 to evaluate it - and today I've worked out why I feel - umm.. - errr... - don't like it.
It's simple really - you don't seem to have multiple screens like you have on iOS and Android. All apps are on the front screen with the idea being that your most common ones are near the top. Then you swipe to the right and can see a full app list.
But I like to set up my screens for specific tasks - for example - nothing which costs money if accidentally touched on the main (middle) screen - so only tools like calculator, torch, camera etc as well as widgets for clock and calendar which I want to see straight away. Next screen is for messaging stuff; texts, twitter, mail, skype as well as a row for settings; mobile, wifi, hotspot etc.
So, MS seem to have decided how your phone should be used - whereas iOS and Android allow you to set up the phone for your own needs. And my guess is that there are as many setups as there are users!
Also, I think users like to personalise their phones - and large Android widgets are a nice and easy way to do that.
Not sure what these are pitched at.
Not sure what these are pitched at.
If as netbooks then the Reg said that netbooks are dying out:
If they're supposed to be laptops then the ten inch screen and atom processor mean they can't be serious laptops. How well would they be able to Netbeans for example or to compile stuff? So even if you can plug them into a decent screen etc when you get to your desk they are going to be seriously underpowered.
And as to being tablets - the average cost of about £600 is too high when you can get a (I've got one and it's brilliant) Nexus 10 for £319.00.
I suppose the advantage is that they can tie in to the MS ecosystem - instead of downvoting could others explain if these tablets can use Active Directory for logins and pick Group policy type stuff. And is it more efficient than using some sort of terminal client on iPads or Android?
Re: Average 13 inch laptops
Agreed - I picked up an HP Elitebook 2540p from Amazon for approx 400 quid and whacked it up to 6GB RAM for peanuts. I mainly need browsers and terminals and with Xubuntu installed the responsiveness is pretty much instant. On top of that it will run Netbeans (which is Java based) when I need it.
My Dell Mini 9 is great (again with Xubuntu) and I let lit-lun use it - but she prefers the OH's (13 inch) Mac now.
I think the problem is that 13 inch seems to be the lowest limit for a machine which you can work on all day. Generally, at home and in the office I plug in a 24 inch monitor and a keyboard and via the Displayport connection the screen looks great. I would say that the set up is as good as any current PC. But when I've needed to I've been able to work all day on the 13 inch Elitebook on its own - I'm not sure I'd want to work on the Mini 9 all day without it being plugged into an external monitor.
Re: Techology and Faith
I believe the action is more subtle than that - and it has been proven by the placebo effect.
People who simply genuinely 'believe' they will get better can actually make a physical difference here in this physical 'real' world. Some people believe in the power of prayer and don't need to be 'tricked' into producing the same effect.
So we have the power somehow to alter reality - is that us or something else which does it for us?
BTW - There is serious evidence about the laws of physics varying in our universe - see:
If that is the case then this universe is far, far weirder than the (current) Standard Model.
Re: Techology and Faith
You might not be right...
Just look at modern physics - the Newtonian view of the universe is dead in the water - the universe is a strange place - parallel universes, laws of physics different in different parts of this universe, the duality of matter, quantum entanglement, etc etc.
I'm no expert but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Roots_of_Coincidence might be a place to start.
Remember - your Newtonian/Atheist world view is a faith itself - and it may not be 'right'. After thousands of years of human questioning I find it difficult to think that *we* are the ones who now know it all. Humans have been proved wrong many times in the past - and I think we (i.e. the current western Atheist view) will be proved wrong again.
Screens off by 10pm...
Screens (TV's/Laptops/etc) off by 10pm is what seems to work well for me and OH. If we've not finished a film we stop it and watch the rest on another evening. Since we still read actual books then they're allowed.
And then due to the early night it's possible to get up earlier. Between 6.30am/7.00am and 8.30am/9.00am I catch up on El Reg and do some reading about the latest tech stuff we're doing.
Of course - not every day - but the screen off at 10pm definitely works well for us.
This is very good news for Ubuntu
A huge market and further enhancement of Ubuntu overall.
I'm not a fan of Unity - I use Xubuntu on my laptop - but others seems to be happy with the latest Unity incarnation on Ubuntu so maybe it's coming together.
A couple of points.
Surely any attempt to introduce any backdoors is going to be found easily and would be a huge PR problem for China. The repositories are run by Canonical, there is all sorts of code diffing stuff as well as it being relatively easy to check the network traffic to/from any Ubuntu build.
If fact - I would say that China adopting an open source OS is a huge move forward in terms of freedom. They are effectively promoting an operating system which they actually CAN'T put monitoring stuff into.
Re: Is this some new Microshill tactic?
Of course we can compile Apache from source, download and setup PhpPgAdmin, manually set up etckeeper, etc. OK if you have only one machine - not so good if you have dozens. If you have to set up six dev servers before lunchtime I think you'd prefer all the tools to be in the repository. And what about future updates? So, for enterprise level I would say that packages being available in the repositories is fairly crucial.
As mentioned - I'd confused my experience RE OpenSUSE with SLES. After reviewing my notes I conceeded that OpenSUSE had most stuff available in the repositories - some external repositories needed to be added - but no probs.
I'll agree that for a web server I'd rather run a hand compiled Nginx on BSD. But the devs tend to be the ones who manage their dev/testing/beta/deployment/live copies and they would not want to wait for a sysadmin every time they want a quick vhost set up to test something - also, I don't want to spend all my time setting up vhosts.
I think that its better to give them the LAMP stack they want and look after it for them - Apache is good enough for most uses. On high load stuff you could use Nginx as a reverse proxy.
Dear oh dear... aaaaannnnyway.
As mentioned in another post I made - I responded incorrectly to a post which said OpenSUSE was better than Debian because Debian kept breaking things. This referred to only to Xen being better run on OpenSUSE - which may be the case - I have no real experience of running Xen.
I then gave a list of problems I'd had with SLES which I'd mixed up with my experience of OpenSUSE. As someone pointed out, OpenSUSE had most of the required tools available as packages (some from external repositories).
So I'm raising a new point here.
It seems to me that OpenSUSE is now a better server OS than SLES - which considering how much Novell charge for SLES support is a bit surprising. So, should OpenSUSE be used as the server OS and not SLES? Which brings up another point - if OpenSUSE is to be used as a server OS then where should testing be carried out? Should OpenSUSE have testing/stable branches etc.
BTW AC 18:32 - you see - this is a discussion where we raise points, correct each other, recount experience, fire off ideas etc. Abuse is not needed - it's just immature.
Re: Is this some new Microshill tactic?
I stand corrected on a few points here - I've reviewed my notes RE OpenSUSE and a couple of the packages were available in the default repositories - others were available by adding extra repositories. My memories were mostly from SLES. BTW - the OpenSUSE version I worked with was 12.1.
As mentioned, OpenSUSE did need to have extra repositories added for a couple of those packages - and the default setups were not as smooth as Debian - but overall it wasn't too bad. As I said - it's the bad experiences with SLES which coloured my thinking.
(The place I was working had SLES servers due to a maintenance contract and so I had to switch to SLES).
BTW - I was originally responding to the comment about Debian breaking stuff - as a server OS I think Debian is difficult to beat. Re-reading that point it seems to be referring to only Xen breaking. Not having experience of Xen I'll can't comment on that point. So I eneded up trying to make the point that SLES is not very good currently - as you say - SLES/SLED are not OpenSUSE.
And this is a point - should OpenSUSE be used for a server OS? Should OpenSUSE be thought of separately from SLED/SLES? Considering the state of SLES should OpenSUSE be promoted as a server OS on its own?
My understanding was that OpenSUSE should be thought of as the Fedora version of SLES/SLED - so, free, but not enterprise level. Maybe it's time for openSUSE to release different versions - testing, stable etc and to leave SLES behind. It's the experience with SLES which colours people's (including my) thinking about SUSE in general.
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