51 posts • joined 19 Jun 2007
Re: Supposed to be internal testing.
It looks like the BBC have confused 2 bugs into one. From what I have read so far, there is an issue which has existed in the client OS since Windows 95 that was discovered by IBM. This is different to the SChannel server issue which appears to have been discovered interally. BBC are reporting them as one and the same.
Re: That's a shame
It would be very nice to be able to roll out my old pre Win 8 GPOs to manage Windows 10, instead of spending days trying to work out how to manage the new version as I have had to with 8/8.1.
As a great example, which total dribbling moron decided that it would be a good idea to put the configuration for the 8.1 start button right click menu in a folder called WinX in the LOCAL part of the users' profile? The upshot of this is that with roaming profiles that clear the cached copy at logoff, the second time a user logs on the menu disappears as the folder no longer exists! I had to put a GPO in to recopy it back out to users at every logon.
It is idiocy like this that makes me want to shake Sinofsky warmly by the throat.
Re: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...
@ Neil Barnes.
Sorry, but your statement that the UI is too deeply embedded in the OS is wrong.
You have always been able to change the UI in NT based versions of Windows. Just change this registry value for your shell of choice:
Key: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon
This changes it for everyone on the machine. Replace HKLM with HKCU if you want different shells for different users.
There are alternative shells out there. Not many people use them though as (up to Windows 7 at least) users were generally happy with Explorer.
I have used this to deliver Windows based thin clients using a cut down shell to launch server based sessions.
You can also use this to get yourself out of trouble if you have completely mangled your Windows install. Do a recovery boot, edit the registry and get Windows to start something else such as the command prompt or a tools suite.
Re: Lack of integrated email/contacts/calendar?
As noted in my original comments Outlook wasn't my choice, it was the users. We tried them with the web client but they didn't like it. They also didn't like the native Zimbra client either. Even if they did though, this also pulls the mail down and caches it locally so would heve been no better in our RDS environment.
Regarding the other posters comment about storing PST files on a network drive, yes they will break as well. It isn't supported and nobody with any sense should try. Since a ZDB file IS a PST file with a different extension it beggars belief that this was Zimbra's suggested fix for the lack of an online mode.
We asked them if there was client on their development roadmap which could work online without having to cache the mailbox. If there was, we may have stuck with it. There wasn't so we went to Exchange.
You may not like it, but the fact is that Outlook is a popular mail client. If you want to make a successful groupware product you need to provide decent support for it.
Don't forget the awesome name of my current place of residence - Humpty Doo.
When is the party in the top end?
Here in Darwin, sysadmin day is celebrated with a public holiday.
Re: Cute people work for tech support too
About 10ish years ogo My girlfriend had an AOL account at her house (she got it before I met her). When she switched from dial up to a broadband conenction they sent through a CD with the software for the router. On installation it just reached an OS check then hung forever. I had a look on the CD and found an XML file with OS checks. The PC had Windows 2000 with SP4 installed. The XML file had checks for Windows 2000 gold, SP1, 2 & 3 but nothing for 4. I had a bash at modifying the XML file but couldn't get it to work so took a deep breath and called their support.
I tried to explain the issue but the support rep insisted on running through their standard support script. After wasting 30 minutes plus on this I tried to explain that all I needed was for them to send me an updated install CD that supported SP4. She went quiet then put me on hold while she went to discuss this with someone else.
After another eternity spent on hold, she eventually came back and said "don't worry, our software doesn't need service pack 4". At this point I gave up in despair and hung up. My solution (apart from telling the gf to change to another ISP as soon as possible) was to flatten the PC and install Windows again. I installed the AOL software then re-applied sp4. I figured this would be quicker than attempting to resolve it through their tech support.
Re: ok... I'll go sit in a dark cave
This reminds me of an interview a few years ago on BBC breakfast with Adam Hart-Davis. He was telling everybody how they needed to stop flying as it was killing the environment. This was shortly before he then started waxing lyrical about his various shows in different parts of the world. No doubt flown there in business class at license payer expense.
A classic moment of do as I say, not as I do.
Re: end of its CO2 footprint regardless of how many
I knew when I posted that comment that the player & screen would still use power, but if I was streaming I would be using the same 2 devices (network connected Blu-Ray player), so the result would be more or less the same.
Possibly streaming would use more power as the blu-ray player would need to be using its wireless, plus there is the router to take into account. Possibly streaming would be less as the motor for the disc player wouldn't be turning. Probably not much in it either way.
The big difference is that the energy for making and transporting the disc are now sunk costs, whereas the datacentre and infrastructure required for streaming are still required for every subsequent play.
Re: This adds in my driving to the shop to buy the disc?
She is still a bit young for for the teen-angst-vamipire-drama dross at the moment.
It is more films like Frozen or Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs. If given the opportunity she would probably put one of these on everyday as soon as she got home from school, then sit through it 3 times.
This adds in my driving to the shop to buy the disc?
This smells like bullshit to me. This factors in my trip to the shop to buy the disc? I wouldn't make a special trip just to buy a DVD. The DVDs I own were either bought mail order, or bought while I was doing other shopping.
Also, once I own it that is the end of its CO2 footprint regardless of how many more times it gets watched. Some of my daughter's films have been watched tens or even hundreds of times.
Australia tax strikes again
This looks interesting, but yet again it seems residents of the land down under are being stung with silly pricing. Somehow 89 pounds translates into 249 Aussie dollars. At the current exchange rate it should be somewhere in the region of 160-165.
Not entirely sure what point this post is trying to make. It mentions using linux to get a decade of support in an article discussing a Microsoft operating system that has had more than a decade of support.
Any discussion of OS choice on el reg always seems to ignore the main point. What software do you need to run? If the software I need to run is only available on Windows, I will use that. If linux, I will use that. If I am running up a terminal server to provide Windows based applications to end users, I don't have much choice in the matter.
OS choice is a practical consideration for me, not a philosophical one.
Regarding the hardware, since almost all servers I work with are virtual, the hardware is irrelevant. Once the hardware becomes out of date, I can just get a new host and move the existing VMs. The software refresh cycle becomes completely independent of the hardware cycle.
Re: Why doesn't MS stop selling the OS half-way through and also stop releasing software for it too?
This pretty much describes the actual process Microsoft uses.
All MS products have a declared lifecycle you can check here:
This details the dates for the end of mainstream and extended support.
1. There have been 4 successor operating systems (2008, 2008R2, 2012, 2012R2)
2. Licenses for 2003 have not been available for a very long time.
3. None of the current server products (SQL, Exchange, etc) will work on server 2003.
Having known about the end of support for some time (I keep an eye on the lifecycle doc), most of the 2003 servers I am responsible for have already been decomissioned. All the rest will be gone well before the end of extended support date.
Re: I actually like Windows phone
Why so many downvotes for somebody simply for saying that they like a product? Bizarre.
Re: See - that's fine. That's a constructive, supportable criticism
One other issue with the search functionality that drives me up the wall.
Example, I hit the windows key and type notepad. After a while, I want to open another notepad, so I hit search and type notepad again. It takes focus back to the original notepad instead of launching another instance. Very annoying. Even more so when dealing with control panel applets or MMC snapins and constantly ending up on the wrong one.
Every time I fall for this, I swear then remember to hit Windows-R to bring up the run box instead.
Re: See - that's fine. That's a constructive, supportable criticism
You just don't get it do you? I and several others have presented multiple concrete legitimate reasons as to why the GUI causes problems. It may work on a client. If I had a touch device I might like it. However, I am a server guy with a speciality in terminal server/remote desktop solutions. Microsoft decided to saddle the server OS with the same GUI as the client and it just doesn't work.
I need to be able to install multiple applications on a server and present subsets of these applications to diferent users. Since Windows 2003SP1 this has been a breeze. Redirect the desktop and start menu and use ABE to limit what shortcuts users see. Job done. Doesn't work anymore. There is no way I have yet found to achieve the same objective on the 2012/R2 start screen.
I need to limit screen updates so that users on slow links get acceptable performance. On previous versions of Windows when finding a new application, the user could go to the start menu. Only a small portion of the screen changed. Now, they hit the Windows key and Bang! They have to wait for the whole screen to update and then sometimes get animated tiles to make matters even worse.
These are just 2 real world examples of how this causes problems.
I can accept your point of view that the GUI works for you. You should accept mine that putting this GUI on the server was a stupid decision.
Just think, if Microsoft had simply offered the choice of interface we would both be happy, nobody would be having this endless conversation and Microsoft would probably have shifted a lot more Windows licenses.
Re: As if this will make people happy!
Yes. I use core installs, remote management and powershell. RDP is one of the tools I use, which unfortunately the new GUI makes far more difficult to use. Powershell is great for scripting things or making bulk changes, but sometimes when you just need to make a quick change under time pressure a GUI tool makes more sense instead of trying to remember the exact syntax you need for the shell.
Some applications such as Exchange REQUIRE the GUI. You also generally need a GUI on Remote Desktop servers. It is a bit hard to tell end users that they should use powershell for everything on their RD sessions.
Remote management is fine when handling fleets of well managed servers, but I also need to support single standalone servers at small customer sites via RDP. Their local IT person is generally not conversant with powershell and wants to use the GUI.
The other thing with the new GUI, especially on remote desktop servers is that none of the GPOs and management practises I have developed over the years to lock down desktops work anymore. The start screen is essentially unmanagable. I cannot present selected applications to groups of users.
I am sure some people are very happy with the new GUI. Unfortunately it makes my life more difficult. Why can't I just have the choice of how I and my users work? This is all most people are asking for.
Re: As if this will make people happy!
It isn't always passed through, especially when you are having to access a nested session (when you have to RDP to one server to be able to bounce across to another). It can also sometimes fail due to policy settings. I work with this stuff every day. It happens, don't call me a liar.
I have worked with Windows Server OSs since NT4 and have adapted to the various changes with few issues. 2012 is the first time I have found design decisions in the interface actively hinder they way I work. It is a fantastic operating system saddled with an idiotic interface. None of the servers I use have a touch screen, so why do they get a touch UI?
Re: As if this will make people happy!
Do you do any work on Windows servers? It is all very well to say just hit the windows key and search, but when you are trying to work in a nested RDP 2012 session where the Windows key doesn't get passed through, this is a pain. Also, the full screen context switch can be slow. When using remote sessions over crap links you want the fewest number of pixels to change as possible.
One other thing. On my home PC I still use an ancient IBM model M keyboard as no newer keyboard has anything like the robustness or feel. It doesn't have a Windows key. This has never been an issue until now.
Re: I had to Google how to find the Control Panel...
No, the "proper" way to get to the control panel is of course to press the Windows key, then type NCPA.CPL to bring up network settings (other CPLs are available, I just happen to use this one the most). You then go to the address bar and go back up a few levels to the control panel. You then drag this to your desktop as a shortcut for future reference.
Of course, if you are in a nested RDP session then the Windows key probably won't pass through. At this point, you can instead create a desktop shortcut to your favourite CPL instead, then do the address bar thing.
So much simpler than the old way of doing things (Start Menu -> Control Panel). Get with the times!
Re: Appreciate what you have
I hadn't heard that, but a quick search found this article which states the Spanish investigators found that the airline had not breached any rules or regulations on the carriage of fuel reserves:
Appreciate what you have
You should appreciate what you have. Since moving to Oz and having to pay $500+ to get virtually anywhere from Darwin, I really miss being able to fly from Doncaster to Pisa or Barcelona for 20 quid. I flew with Ryanair several times and never had any problems. All the charges were clear on the website. I travelled with carry on bags only and checked in online. When an airline is as large as Ryanair has become, they are bound to have some issues with customers. As noted above though, I never experienced any.
In my opinion, O'Leary is a marketing genius. When I was still in the UK, it was hilarious when he came up with his ridiculous ideas (charge for toilets, one pilot with cabin crew backup, standing passengers, etc) and seeing the news companies taking him seriously. This then got him on TV where he could spend the entire interview bagging BA and pointing out how cheap Ryanair flights are. No doubt his Twitter feed is a follow on to this.
As for the comments regarding safety, considering the number of aircraft movements they have I would say they have an enviable safety record. The only incident I can find for the airline was caused by a bird strike and only led to minor injuries.
Like I said at the start, appreciate what you have. I really wish Ryanair would start operaing here and give Jetstar the kick in the arse they richly deserve.
Re: Ashamed to say
Windows key -> SHUTDOWN -S -T 0
Re: How bizarre!
The Stuart Highway is a public road, so they have to obey the road rules. It used to have no limit in the NT, but a 130km/h limit was introduced a few years back. Once they cross the border into South Australia, the limit is 110km/h.
Re: There he is!
His mum wouldn't let him use the computer until he had finished tidying his room.
Is the Aussie datacentre really in the middle of the South Australian desert?
The start screen can't be managed
The main issue I have with the start screen is that it can't be managed. I would like to deploy Windows 2012 RDS servers since some of the improvements in RDP/RemoteFX are great. However the UI makes this a non starter. I need to be able to give different users different sets of apps. With the Startmenu it was easy to redirect it and use permissions to control what apps users see. This doesn't work with the start screen.The only solution I have seen so far is to mess around with the all users appsfolder.itemdata-ms file, but this still only allows you to customise the initial set of apps everyone gets, not a different set of apps for different users. If we were just given the choice of classic/modern interfaces businesses would start deploying it. As it is, all the management practises and group policy settings we have honed over the last decade have gone out the window.
Re: Come on wintards get rebooting your servers!
To the AC with the exploding CPU board, you must be a very unlucky person. If I was you would avoid playing the lottery or going outside in a thunderstorm.
In a 20 year plus IT career I am struggling to think of many serious issues I have had following reboots. I have had some problems in the past following duff updates, but I can't recall any hardware failures caused by a reboot. Perhaps you are running crappy hardware.
Since virtually all servers I deal with nowadays are VMs there is no extra stress on the hardware, they reboot very quickly and can be quickly rolled back to a pre-update snapshot if they didn't come back up. On the few occasions I have to restart physical hardware all the VMs have been migrated off beforehand anyway. At worst I will have a down host I have to sort out but there is no business impact. However, I haven't had any of those I can recall recently either.
Re: Come on wintards get rebooting your servers!
I know I really shouldn't feed the troll, but here goes...
Eadon, here in the real world where people who don't still live with their mum like you have pay mortgages and feed their kids, most businesses we deal with run Windows based applications. This is a fact of life. Even if we wanted to use a different OS, we can't as in many cases there is no alternative application. Many of these apps use obscure data formats and the companies which wrote them have long since gone bust. Migrating to something else is either not possible or very difficult and the client isn't willing to pay to try, since what they have still works. Don't even start about trying to run them under WINE or any other such nonsense as in many cases even just getting some of these truly shitty applications to run properly on a more modern version of windows or a terminal server takes a lot of work.
Also, many of the SMEs I work with have staff who are comfortable with what they know. I have tried to give Linux based machines to end users with little success. My most recent attempt was with the latest version of Mint. The end result was a user literally in tears as she couldn't do anything. Most of these people are not "alpha geeks", they are simply end users who want a tool that lets them do their job and go home to their family. In many cases, that tool is their Windows based applications.
That was the long version. Short version, please just fuck off.
Re: Badly Designed Server = Server running Windows
Eadon, what is your problem? I have just read through the article again, and at no point does Trevor mention which operating system is running on his servers. It is entirely about remote managment.
I strongly suggest that you up your dosage of dried frog pills. In the meantime, have a penguin on me, maybe it will calm you down.
I have my own domain and always use a customised address for each company. I also always click the do not share my email address tickbox in the vain hope that companies might actually honour it. The worst offender I have ever dealt with is Thomson Fly. I once flew with them about 9 years ago and have since received a huge amount of unrelated crap addressed to tfly@ my domain. If I still lived in the UK I might consider a complaint to the data protection registrar, but a kill filter is a simpler option.
Re: Windows Love?
Windows 2012 is priced per processor, not per core. One processor licence covers you for 2 physical CPUs.
Nothing to say really about this news but "Bugger"
The Stainless Steel Rat Wants You was the first "real" SF book I ever read at about age 7, which really got me into the genre. Harry was my favorite author for years and I devoured everything else I could find by him. Desperately depressing news.
Re: The future is clear...
How secure is this financial data going to be when Extended Support for Windows 2003/XP expires and you no longer receive security updates?
Upgrade if you have SA
According to Q36 on the Windows Server 2012 licensing FAQ, if you have Software Assurance on your existing SBS Standard, then you have upgrade rights to Windows 2012 Standard & Exchange 2010 Standard. Nice upgrade path as long as you have kept your SA up to date. If you have the Premium addon, then you also get upgrade rights to SQL Server 2012 Standard (Q37).
...install a program from an untrusted source (which in this case just happens to be a gadget) and it will have access to resources on your computer, with your access rights.
This is new how?
I am an Expat Brit living in Darwin on a regional skilled migration visa. This grants permanent residency, so is certanly worth looking at if you are willing to go to places in Oz other than the major metropolitan areas. Darwin is quirky and a long way from anywhere, but is in the tropics so benefits from hot weather all year.
Regarding Oz vs the US. The US probably pays more, but we get a decent holiday entitlement here. As I understand it, the US is the only Western economy with zero legal leave entitlement and most USians only get about 12 days a year off. Cost of living is high here, but the lifestyle more than makes up for it.
I am glad I made the move and have absolutely no intention of going back to the UK.
Best phone I owned
I had a K800i for ages. The thing was virtually indestructible, had a nice camera and decent battery life. All SE phones after that looked flimsy so I never bothered upgrading it. I only finally replaced it last year with a HTC Desire after it was dropped one time too many and the back started to fall off.
RE: Ex pat Brit in Darwin
Missed you guys in the throng at the start line unfortunately. Good luck on your trip. I haven't done the drive all the way to Adelaide yet, but have done two runs to Alice. The first, large parts of the road were underwater and the second involved driving through a raging bushfire (you will see the devastation North of Alice). On the return trip I had close encounters with 2 large cows that had wandered into the road. Serves me right for driving in the dark I suppose.
I don't know how the cars will cope with the weather at the moment though, as the wet season seems to have moved in very early. It has just started bucketing it down here in Humpty Doo about 30KMs South of Darwin at about 14:30 in the afternoon. One car didn't even make it this far though as I passed it by the side of the road at Howard Springs about 15KMs South of Darwin. Hope the weather is still fine further South.
Ex pat brit in Darwin
Darwin is just starting to get hot and humid as the dry is coming to an end. You need to be here in the middle of the wet if you want to catch Darwin in its full hot & humid best. I will be at the starting line on Sunday morning. Hope to catch up with the SPB there.
A few years ago I went into Curries to buy a sandwich toaster. Found one for 14.99. The person behind the counter pushed me towards someone who looked about 16. Presumably he was a new guy on training.
Me: I want this sandwich toaster please.
PFY: Would like an extended warranty with that. It is only 10 pounds.
Me: (after several seconds of dumbstruck silence) A warranty.... for a sandwich toaster?
PFY: Yes. If it breaks down in the next 3 years, you will get a new one.
Me: So you are telling me it isn't reliable then?
PFY: No, it is reliable.
Me: So why would I need a warranty? Especially one that costs almost as much as the toaster?
PFY: Just in case it does break down.
Me: If it breaks down I think I will just buy a new one.
At this point he admitted defeat and processed the sale.
Yosemite National Park is in California. Methinks you are getting it confused with Yellowstone.
Read the specification
Presumably, before they bought the PCs in question, the people behind this suit must have read the specification of what they were buying. In this specification would have been listed the operating system installed on there. They then chose to buy the PC anyway. What next? Sue NVidia for "forcing" their video chipsets on them?
There are PCs out there with no OS or a different OS installed they could have bought instead.
Can't be worse than Lynch's effort
The Lynch movie was a mess. The SciFi channel TV adaptation was much closer to the novel, although it was let down slightly by the fact that the guy playing Gurney Halleck is one of the worse actorsever to be committed to celuloid/digital image. Guess he was always onto a loser though as his performance would get compared to Patrick Stewarts. Even so, he was dreadful.
SciFi also did a creditable adaptation of Dune Messiah/Children of Dune (unfortunately still with the same bloke cast as Halleck). No sign of God Emperor yet though!
Icon for the "weirding module" sonic weapon Lynch invented for his movie, along with the Sardaukar troops who coultn't breath normal air. Hopefully these will not be in the new version.
What hardware are they running Vista on? I tested Vista when it first came out but decided that the drivers were in no fit state so didn't deploy it at the time. I expected this though as it has always been the case with any new major MS OS release.
However, I recently bought a new laptop with Vista installed and decided to give it the benefit of the doubt before chucking XP on it. Now that the drivers have matured it runs fine as long as it is on appropriate hardware. I am used to it now and actually quite like it. The laptop isn't massively high spec although it does have 2GB of RAM. I havn't actually timed it, but it definately takes no more than a minute from startup from cold to being logged in, including the hardware boot sequence. Probably more like 40 seconds in fact.
Why that amount?
I was wondering why he picked that amount. Why not a nice round figure like $400bn, but I suppose that would have just been greedy.
It isn't future technology. It's from long long ago in a galaxy far far away.
Trying to prove/disprove technology in a piece of fluff space opera is just plain silly though. Some people take things far too seriously.
These havn't been a big success then?
Presumably the 200 quid is inclusive of VAT, whereas the US price is exclusive of sales tax which varies by state and gets added at point of purchase.
This still makes the ex VAT price 170 quid though, so we are still get stiffed in ripoff Britain, especially as the strong £ to $ should make US imports cheaper.
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