This could be a genuinely value adding collaboration
For a change the headline reflected the content, Good Job.
The report made informed and interesting reading and was just the right level in terms of content and coverage.
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For a change the headline reflected the content, Good Job.
The report made informed and interesting reading and was just the right level in terms of content and coverage.
A thorough and disappointing summary of recent Govt contracting failures
How fucking depressing, all that money just pissed away by half wits who don't care and are not held responsible...
Without ownership, responsibility and diligence and commitment we will continue to suffer these embarrassing failures in Public Service.
Whether its is poor requirements specification on the part of the buyer or whether it is "commissions fuelled greed" of the suppliers who commit to being able to design, build and supply anything within time, budget and resources there has to be responsibility and ownership.
If you cannot specify to a reasonable level they don't buy
If you don't understand what is to be supplied don't commit to supply
In the absence of either of the above if you still want to do business then there must be a requirements analysis phase of the project
Follow this with a proof of concept phase which must be formally tested, reviewed for effectiveness and approved before enterprise implementation.
its really not that hard.......
unless of course there is no willingness to get it right because there are no consequences for anyone involved as no one has ownership or responsibility for the outcomes be they good or bad.......
And there we have it "OWNERSHIP, RESPONSIBILITY, CONSEQUENCES" all missing in Govt contracting
so you have clearly been directly involved in Govt Contracting.......
I have experienced that script personally twice during Govt contracting....
Oh and don't forget the 3rd party "independent" advisors to Govt who are responsible for Risk Management, Contracting Discipline, Procuerement phase timescales management and other such critical tasks who just melt into the background never to be heard of again once the contract is let.
Yet more noses in the trough or should I say Tax Payers back pockets when it comes to who really foots the bill for the colossal fuck ups.
Put simply Govt should not be allowed to purchase anything larger than a fucking paper clip....
Comedy Genius in the making. LOL just spat my Monday AM latte over my Lenovo.
Any PC scrappers out there what a fried StinkPad?
Really good argument, well presented and thought through.
But there is no Legal or Governmental will to make this happen. Just like the Banks and Fat Cat Corporate Weaners who fleece shareholders and customers to line their own pockets.
They all get off; lack of will to prosecute and a lack of ownership and responsibility when it comes to proving who did what and when.
Not being an out and out Tech Bod I thought Drivers as a minimum in their many forms updated via MS Updates was total BS.
The number of times I have rebuilt home PC's only to then hit individual component vendor sites for the latest drivers having loaded all the MS stuff lead me to believe our colleagues assertions were factual incorrect.
I hope Lenovo really DELIVER on this commitment. It could be a genuine sea change that results in them taking the title and setting the new standard.
Bring it on Lenovo, you need to be doing it better and cleaner than the other guys even to stay in the business. Feck this up and you will be toast.
maybe your a big outfit with such resources and the original complainant is a mom and pop shop operator.....
either way horses for courses
Govt Department Maypole dancing its bloomin obvious what these tossers are up to......
Given the opportunity to build trust on a global basis and cement their standing is a world class provider of IT hardware they do this.
This plus numerous Chinese Govt sponsored hacks and also allegations of Govt sponsored corporate espionage targeting visiting Business Leaders and foreign government figures.
They need to be doing it better and cleaner than the next country....start all over again China.
I can imagine an Army of pointy headed civil servants rushing around trying to figure out who owes who what in this wooden dollar merry-go round.
Such a waste of tax payers money, or is this another way to massage the unemployment figures? Keep a load of people off the street and out of the job centres by sending them on the most enormous treasure hunt for VAT revenues that don't exist between Govt departments......
We focus on the army of tax accountants and lawyers that feed off this mess whilst no one in Govt or the Civil Service has the balls to take an axe to the 12000 pages of tax regulations.
too sorry for words
I was thinking more along the lines of "soiling" the paper rather than spoiling it but the curtains in the booths tend to be a bit short and not effectively cover ones intentions shall we say.
Any ideas on another form of Protest Vote?
Off on a tangent here but as scope creep has already set in I think its justified.
I prefer the image of Lily Collins in a furry helmet mit a spike on it..... that's Phil's Hollywood actress daughter....a very attractive woman.
We are all shareholders either directly in terms of stock holding or indirectly through Pension Scheme's, ISA's and so. So the Board of Directors answer to us..... get that point? right next one.
Corporate Social Responsibility, that its new name after an expensive rebrand. Historically we could more readily rely on companies to pay taxes as in my opinion there was less greed and self interest and more of an understanding that Companies needed to contribute if they were to benefit from the output from the education system as a minimum.....
What I mean by this is if Companies along with individuals do not pay their "fair share" in taxes then in effect society will breakdown.. We will have no schools, police, healthcare, transport (in some cases), utilities (in some cases) as these need to be funded and the funding raised from individuals via taxation cannot sustain such services which we all derive benefit from; yes including companies.
So without schooling, healthcare, transport and utilities for example there is no infrastructure to provide the necessary resources to sustain an organisation, its business goals, its revenue and profit generation and finally its ability to pay taxes.
So lets all wise up and stop bitching about our taxes always going up. Corporations exploit increasingly questionable tax laws to minimise their tax bill and serve their selfish interests; no doubt by design they are shifting the tax liability to the individual without a consequential increase in individual earnings.
How about this for a question. Do we think Boards of companies exploit increasingly questionable tax laws because of Shareholder pressure or are they driven by greed and personal incentive plans?
Personally I think it is the latter...................... you decide.
Looks like it is gonna be a Blue Year for Big Blue.........
Navel gazing trying to decide what they want to be when they grow up
Stone lifting to try and find the next big thing
I predict IBM will end up re-packaging the same old shit under a shiny new banner and hope they can sell it like Wall Street Bankers selling CDO's (no idea what it is or what it does but its cool, shiny and new) and get back to profitability.
24/7 chase the sun shared data centres
now cloudy stuff
Same poor solution different name and day................
Govt or indeed the Civil Service should never run IT, its has been proven time and time again they are incompetent on a monumental scale.
And yet time after time no one takes responsibility...... got the Treasury as our Bankroll and they can strong arm as much money as we need from the tax payers.......
Happy days, just keep pissing it up the wall.
HMRC have all the tools they need to address tax evasion by the wealthy and corporates but have sacked all of their experienced investigators as part of slimming down the bloated Civil Service.
Coalition realises that Tax receipts have fallen through the floor and now there is no money to fund the Austerity programme and Tax give-aways.
Coalition starts rehiring HMRC investigators on temp contracts and extortionate day rates. Contractors fee's are outstripping the paltry addition tax receipts being generated.
New Corp Tax rules brought in to fix problem but is yet another fine example of "failures in joined up thinking"......
New "Gobble" Tax is focused on Corporate Profits..............doh Starbuck has "apparently" never made a profit since 1998 when it arrived on these shores. So what has changed? FECK NOTHING!!!!
How does a business remain "functional / operational" without making a profit? especially a business of that size and global reach? It just stinks of TAX EVASION on a massive scale.
What needs addressing are as follows:
Losses from previous business years being used to offset Tax liabilities in future years. Stop this
Licenses and Royalties being used to artificially depress profits and reduce Tax Liabilities. Stop this and call it what it is EVASION.
Bottom line is countries need Tax Receipts to pay for social infrastructure and services. If Corporates and the Wealthy don't pay their fair share then us Prols have to pick up the tab as we are doing and over fist......
12in Golden Delicious?
12in Granny Smith?
12in Allen's Everlasting Apple?
12in American Mother Apple...................no really it exists....... ;-)
12in Api Apple....
12in Jersey Mac Apple ...... again really exists....
12in Jonafree Apple.... for all you sailor types out there
bored no but you get the drift..
Self serving, self centred bunch of trough burrowing fat cats.
They bring nothing too the table and yet cost this great nation dearly.
With such a wide economic margin between the have and have-not nations now members of the EC; this is the single greatest cause of unprecedented economic migration which is causing the EC to unravel. I agree with the free movement of the populous based on an EC of "peers". But when you allow less developed nations to join guess what you get "a stampede" for the good life regardless of "state benefits"
Those that presided over the entry of those new nations singularly failed to effectively test their Govt and Macro economic credentials and are therefore to blame for what must surely be the end of the great EC experiment.
Needless to say those that created this nightmare are long since gone having made their €€ millions from the trough and are safely living outside of the EC. feckers.......
Did we not hear in the last couple of weeks that the system that supports the flagshit Universal Credit (LOL) service needs a massive upgrade (PC language) for another fecked up system from a supplier that the Civil Service has no balls or brains to take to task to fix.
So lets just (tug off the Treasury) for a few more Bellllioooons to fix the last crowds feck up and hope these guys do a better job.
Personally I would prefer to put a bunch of 5 year olds in charge of Govt spending.
If so then that just hammers another giant nail in the credibility of GOV.uk.
Apart from the first paragraph reading "refundable under where i)".......... is that supposed to be refundable underwear... or edible underwear..... these people cannot read write or clearly comprehend English. After that all bets are off.
The second paragraph is no better "Typically this type of universal software is provided as part of a large IT contract and is be integral"......... is be integral.......WTF
Is this a case of HMRC now outsourcing policy guidance to suppliers in countries for whom English language is a third / fourth language.
If they cannot be bothered to write and communicate in plain, accurate and easy to comprehend English then that tells us all we need to know about the poor state of HMRC and the UK Civil Service.
I totally agree Scott.........................
This article immediately loses credibility as it compares Apple Swatches with say....... Rolexes on anything other than a parity basis. So 5k for a gold Apple Swatch vs 15k for a similar metal Rolex. mmmmm not bad in prices terms but what does that actually mean in terms of function, form or value.......?
Personally having got loads of Apple mobes I see no value in the Apple Swatch at all..... By gen 3 it might offer something that interests me.
Much like other commentards, I spend my money on DLSR's and "real" watches of which I have a few, boys and their toys eh............
But despite my fondness of Apple mobes this is one device I will pass on.
PS: iPhone 6+ camera for movies and stills is fantastic...
well its because of failures in the End User IT services contract at the Cabinet Office Procurement (under another contract naturally); all monitors were installed upside down...... and no one has yet noticed.
One of the Procurement wieners must be a devilish worshipper..........999 or 666?
failing that I can only imagine with so many suppliers actually choosing one will be the most enormous game of IP DIP DOG DOODY.......
There can be no other explanation, the costs to both parties of initial contracting and on going relationship maintenance will be huge and of little tangible value to most of the bidders.
Oh my god................
I looks like the MOJ Referee has been caught in the middle of the service provider boxing opponents and has been KO'd....................in the first round.
I had a word with William Hill they will not give odds on anything productive or useful coming out of these contracts other than litigation, waste and disappointment.
They would however give very poor odds on the MOJ being able to manage the contractual relationships and inter-supplier blame game.......
Here's what Rhodes had to say about Rackspace's decision to stand alone, what it's like watching AWS and Google fight giants fight and more.
Rhodes: It is super simple. Cloud is big. It is early stage. The main market has just started moving. We feel super-well positioned compared to others coming at cloud from legacy positions.
We are Super well positioned for a super stand alone super solution to super world cloud super needs. Super, super, super...... pick another word!!!
It is clear that El Reg and the interviewee care very little about the editorial integrity of this piece so why should I waste my valuable time reading it.
Hang on a minute............... They are Salesforce.com they own the cloud, they own SaaS, they own Sales for all corporations in the known universe.....
They can have what they want when they want it..................
Perhaps they have aspirations to be Wolves of er.... Fishermans Wharf........... doesn't have quite the same ring. Arses!!
Perhaps if the building was more shaped like a limp dick they might stand a better chance of sole occupancy and therefore naming it after themselves.......if they still saw the value in doing so.
or "Islands in the sun for those that dont have one"
That might massage his ego as he leaves the top spot at Oracle.....
But wait a moment he is not leaving the top slot...............
As CTO reporting to the new CEO's that are held accountable by the Exec Chair which is ehhhhh Larry he still has a stranglehold on the business.
I always thought Larry had had a few "procedures" done over the years. so perhaps bits of him are 70 years others maybe a lot less.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely; history is littered with examples.
Most recent and worthy comparison is Microsoft. You become dominant in a sector then you start to squeeze out the competition by either manipulating the customer base, selecting channels and partners that will play the game your way or otherwise targeting competition for elimination e.g. buy them.
Cases have been brought about how Google's algorithms skew results in favour of advertisers or for "other" perhaps self serving reasons.
I guess the upside is that Google's dominant position has not yet got to the stage where they prevent you from using Google to search for Google Antitrust!!
However that day is not far away......
I think you are onto something here Peter 39,
So MOJ and HMP staffers got to prison for the data loss which was completely avoidable; and lets see how the lags treat them for losing their data.....
Then in the same context the Police and Council in Rotherham should be doused in petrol and repeatedly assaulted and abused.
Currently there is a culture of "no accountability and no consequences" so nothing will change.
Perhaps its time for some "eye for an eye"
And yet the Governments first instinct in relation to UK citizens personal data is "how can they profit from it".
Example being that they allow all sorts of scumbags to access data from the DVLA with few restrictions rather than address how our data can be used to improve life for citizens and civil servants.
There is of course the other grave concern and that is the Governments track record on large IT system procurement and implementation is a litany of failed projects, poor value for money and monstrous delays.
Final nail in the coffin being the many public and secret DPA breaches with laptops and USB drives containing huge datasets left on trains of dumped in skips.
BYOD is just a ticking time bomb for Employers who now have to factor into employment contracts how they deal with personal claims for data loss and injury based on company actions or indeed the actions of their chosen partners as in this case.
BYOD is flawed simple as; it intro's more issues / challenges than it creates opportunities.
Unless you are self employed or contracting BYOD makes no sense whatsoever.......
No its Brokenshite or will be
The insight might be that the Border Control systems are some of the oldest in the UK Governments IT infrastructure, no doubt held together by string, chewing gum and a small band of dedicated octogenarians who are dropping like flies.
It is probably one of these that fell over on the job or perhaps to provide a spark for the conspiracy theorists out there....... maybe the system was brought down by Russian or Chinese hackers....... thus letting in potential undesirables....
who knows, but it is rather comical that the guy fronting this for the Civil Serviec is called Brokenshire, BrokenArrow or something like that.....right name, right job
Like many on this forum I have been on the other side of such Govt Contracts.
The issues always seem to be
are poor requirements specifications by the client.
cheap as chips penny pinching / contracting
zero accountability in Govt once the contract is signed
constant changing of the specification once the contract is signed
constant rewrites of specifications, pricing and contracts as the cycles of change hit the project
NAO comes in waves big stick cos £millions has been spent for zero benefit
Govt soils itself and underlings get side ways moves
Minister, secretaries and Civil Service Grandee's dodge yet another bullet
the contract is cancelled
the supplier is pillaried, tarred and feathered and blacklisted from future contracts
Govt / Civil Service allow dust to settle
and then the whole cycles starts all over again....
The single biggest contributors to this cycle of waste is that the Govt bites off more than it can deliver and the Govt departments that contract for these services try and buy a solution that is future proof rather than incrementally improving things......
Contracting 20 years into the future when we are looking at such rapid and disruptive change is foolish at best and irrelevant at worst.
A quality and insightful retort AC....
Most of the comments perhaps predicatably are about Tech, Software and IP theft.
I believe there needs to be equal focus (perhaps not on this forum) for the work that TSI do on Horsemeat scandals yes, but also other fake goods as well as poor traders, scam artists in all their forms, consumer protection in general.
This is what the Government is short changing the public on yet again.
It seems to me all we hear about is service cuts and yet the government perpetuates the message that this is not effecting the front line and they are purely cutting Public Sector fat.
Bollox to that Boy George the truth will out just like it did with Labour of spending when there is no income and immigration.
Most of those in the Senate are the so called billionaires or are on the payrole of the Billionaires.
So those Turkeys will not be voting for Christmas
This is the Tech sector sowing seeds in the minds of IT Directors, CTO's and FD's.
"Let promote BYOD / CYOD and shift a substantial amount of IT hardware cost to clients employees".
Lets face it most Users will get their €500 voucher and then go and buy a better / higher spec machine than was specified and will pay the additional monies themselves as their employer will reject paying for over specc'd machines.
Happy days another FUBAR business idea with no real benefit or value other than to serve parties with vested interests.
You make a strong and fine arguement;
Certainly we can reflect on the various and growing number of data loss scandals many eminating from offshore providers with very lapse security.
I too believe that any savings by sending work offshore are under-estimated in terms of the total loss to the UK economy of retaining the jobs in the UK and providing employment opportunities for the 1m or so UK unemployed.
These shared services facilities are precisely the type of work that can be relocated into areas of the UK with high unemployment. Therefore providing employment, economic stimulus to the local economy, valuable input to the wider UK economy and reducing the benefits bill for all tax payers.
The simple truth is that our "Celebrity Government" is too full of self servicing wannabee TV hosts that they are simply not up to the task of addressing such matters; instead they take the easy way out and offshoring jobs without even considering the wider impact.
To my esteemed peers and contributors HollyHopDrive, AC's Various, Akeane, JP19, MJI, Malagabay, Grease Monkey and others.
Some simple failings of the public sector (including the NHS) which are possibly the most significant contributory factors in this monumental cockup.
No one is accountable
No one is responsible
There are no consequence when things go wrong. (except for the taxpayer that is £120bn of waste per year was the figure reported this week = £4.5k per year per household).
Public Sector are chronically poor at accurately scoping contracts and negotiating fair value.
Once contracts are agreed they cannot help tinkering with the solution ultimately creating a frankenstien solution that cannot be economically or technically implemented.
There is no F in Strategy - that is the NHS has no effing IT Strategy at all.
Therefore NHS Trusts are able to unilterally invest in IT on a sporadic basis depending on the Trusts view of the value of IT and how its supports patient health or not.
Often these decisions are made by crusty "consultant types" straight out of a 1950's movie who appear to weald power beyond their value to patient care.
I personally experienced that on NCRS project which became Connecting for Health which after over selling on the Supplier side, chronically poor NHS sponsorship at the executive level resulting in divisive relationships between NHS trusts and suppliers. To wich the NHS Ivory Tower response was JFDI to both suppliers and trusts.
However there are other factors which need taking into consideration:
Microsoft sold a duff product and we should not pay for failure.
NHS IT and Trust and Central levels should have acted faster inline with product retirement warning which were given in plenty of time.
NHS central IT strategy should be looking over the horizon and defining standards for new systems that Trusts must comply with before budgets are invested.
Bottom line private sector corporate accountability and governance is required in the NHS. NHS top brass want the private sector level remuneration but wringle out of the consequences that come with such high rewards.
We should not standard for this attitude.
I too share your concerns.....
However Lenovo's timing on the PC business acquisiton was masterful and they do not appear to have missed a beat with taking on that business, stabilising it and then growing it.
Therefore I must assume that based on the length of time taken to secure the deal with IBM for the X Series server business that they have a good plan in place for that too and most likely the same for the Moto acquisition.
I guess time will tell.
I also asked myself the question of why wouldn't they look at :
or any other mass market recruitment portal which already has the tech and processses baked in
what about HR and Recruitment BPO players like Alexander Mann......
Why reinvent the wheel with a player plainly not up to the job
Certainly without a shadow of doubt the Public Purse should not be paying for failure; and PAC should be all over this ensuring that we do not throw good moeny after bad.
I at least gave G4S some credibility after the Olympic fiasco; they were contrite and waved some costs proportional to the screw up they caused.
Another great private sector trick.
Imagine the scene................
Hi we are money grabbing IT/IS provider (might be Capita, Serco, G4S, EDS, Cap Gemini, Atos or.....) we know and can do very little but we will be your Prime Partner cos we have ex Govt and ex MOD people who can ensure we are the prime contractor even though we know and do nothing.
Then we will bring in experts in the field e.g. Kenexa or as it is now IBM and they will deliver the solution along with our many other value adding leeches.
We will mark-up all their costs which already include their profit and provide absolutely no added value other than billing your sad Govt ass's.
If you are nice to us we might take our contract awarding friends from the Govt out for expensive meals to congratulate each other on another great deal for the UK Public and Govt.
Sound familiar to anyone?
Indeed how many senior players at Capita are ex Govt or Ex MOD.....
Sounds like the costs for replacing light bulbs in Government Buildings that came to public realisation some years ago now. I believe the figure was £98 per bulb to supply and fit..............
As ever context is important to understand the relative value for money for such a service
So if one extrapolates that viewpoint the decision on whether the UK stays in / out or indeed shakes it all about regarding EU membership will come down to a fight between the "corporates" many of which pay no taxtaxes and yet demand all the benefits of membership........
e.g. Banks, Financial Institutions, Car Manufacturers etc will lobby for the UK to stay in the EU to retain access to the large market, whilst Apple and others will lobby for us to leave so that they can carve up the EU into discreet markets and pricing for its products.
The UK's population with our major concerns regarding immigration, population explotion and the resultant pressures this is placing on the NHS, our education system, affordable housing and the social security system will not even get a vote......................
Really Serco only amassed £1.82m in Govt contracts last year...................
should that be £1.82bn?
Maybe £1.82m is what Stafford is getting as a pay off.....................or
May be if Serco provided the numbers for this article then perhaps the editorial team and the MOJ need to look wider.............Serco unable to provide the correct numbers for anything!!.....................
A scub bag hackers wet dream.
ah an dlets not forget the Chinese Govt Hackers and
Eastern European Criminals meal ticket to a millionaires lifestyle of riches borne from exploiting the wealth of unprotected data.
and thats before the Govt or NHS decides to off-shore its storage to a mud hut on Guam
another FUBAR project
I bet most of the employees would like to give him a Golden Shower on his way out the door.....
After all thats what he appears to have done to them in recent years...........
Another sorry tale of greed, misrepresentation, pre-packaged failures, tax evasion and huge self interest on the part of the VC.
The impact as we can all forsee are job loses no doubt ahead of Christmas, personal hardship for those unlucky people employed by those companies, loss of pensions and pay and a consequential impact on their families.
The investors in such a vehicle will no doubt be insulated from such trauma if not rewarded for their investment while everything burns around them............
Moral compass off point........................nah
Govt contracting is infected with billy big bollox, wanting an all encompassing solution to world peace, for a cheap as chips price, for a decade long contract term with no accountability in Govt and all risk transferred to the successful bidder
they cannot articulate the need, the benefit or scope of the requirement; often compounding this situation by seeing no value in the preferred bidder doing a detailed needs analysis before final contracting.
That how we get all too common HS2 projects / contracts, Aircraft Carriers contracts and PFI hospital deals..........PFI schools blah blah........
All too depressing when one reflects on the fact that these tossers squander so much public money.
Contract for lightbulb supply and installation at £2000 a pop anyone?.................please!!!!