253 posts • joined Friday 15th June 2007 13:36 GMT
" if Twitter think that they can control their platform completely then they're going to have to learn that it probably won't fly"
yeah, how dare they think they can control their own products and services!!!! i mean, who in their right mind would start a business with the idea of being in control themselves.
2 sides people, for all we know Twitter might have been asking for compliance for weeks/months and were being ignored... this might have been their last resort.
but hey, ignore that, lets find guilty and shoot first
Becasue WE know best right ! after all, we are Reg Readers !
@ElReg!comments!Pierre - think a little, please
"[Android] had been in development for quite a while before the iPhone came out"
are you trying to say the iphone development started *just* before it came out??
It was in development about 4 years before it came out, at least.
and everyone know what the early Android interface looked like. (pre june 2007)
anyway, back on topic... google were looking at bing to see if they should be copying what they are doing and found out that bing was already at it. imitation/flattery
not the only one, but at least you asked nicely...
i know plenty of people who are sh*t hot with software and OS's, but ask them to open up the machine and mess with the bits and they shy away immediately.
on the other hand, I am well capable of building a system myself, but am not sitting around with naff all else to do each day anymore, have a relatively busy life style, so I just want to be able to buy it all from one source and know i have a good warranty & support.
always remember , everyone is different.
wrong !!! join the others
android is NOT a manufacturer. its a _FREE_ OS
so please break those 20m sales down by manufacturer and see what position each of them are in.
i dont remember anyone ever comparing Linux installs to Compaq unit shipments in the past, so why is everyone now doing the equivalent with phones?
not thought out properly.... would you expect to be able to charge Mercedes, Iveco, Scania, Volvo just because consumers bought those trucks and drove them on the road? no you couldnt.
Its the businesses that use those trucks who get charged.
and in this case, its the user of the phone who uses the bandwidth who should be charged, but because the mobile phone co's are all in a race to the bottom to appear to be the one who gives you everything for free, they actually forgot to be able to pay out to upgrade the network as they saturate it with users.
So now they go whaaa whaaa all the way to the regulator and want free money. Muppets!
have been saying it for years
does anyone else find it plain stupid that a company builds a 'cloud' service that then needs to have an 'offline' option to run.
Why not just build an actual desktop app in the first place?
kind of like having to add wheels to a hovercraft in case it cant hover....
"(Angry birds still works on more versions on Android phones than all the ios devices!)"
how are you backing up that claim or is it just a christmas wish in your head?
and i think developers should think twice about giving in to Google on this.. they should vote with their money & apps and this might make google/handset makers get their act together and put a proper infrastructure around Android so that the whole fragmentation issue is sorted.
No point in making loads more sales if your administration and manufacture time goes way up too.
Remember turnover is not profit. No point in making 200,000 in sales if your costs become 199,999
tress and wood
android is an operating system (free at that) ... they dont make any phones, so you cant compare them to phone manufacturers... Google make exactly Zero phones.
Hardware manufacturers can , at any stage in the future, switch to a different OS if they dont like what Google does, or think they might get a better advantage by differentiating themselves by OS
and , ignoring the over-excitment of some of the posters here, I think the whole software sim thing might bring about some totally different benefits that isnt quite so obvious yet.
but hey, change is bad right ! lets not contemplate it and see if there might be some business angle that allow me to make money, lets just bitch and moan and hug our blankets.
No Change, No Change , No Change, No Change...........
logic fail fail
"Development costs are sunk costs"
every cost needs to be factored in when looking to get an ROI.
"given that they get a good part of £95 every time they sell one"
shipping, retail packaging, cost of manufacture, retailers margin, advertising etc are for Free now?
god lads, can people think even a *small* bit beyond what they read
android ~= ios (not apple)
to compare like with like, you would have to break android sales down to each manufacturer so as to be able to compare it to Apple.
Remember Android is a free OS, not a make of phone.
So how much did google make by giving it away?? One could say that android direct sales brought in a beautiful Zero in revenue. ( i know they make it up some bit in search/ads/apps etc )
But I do actually want to know how many android devices each manufacturer shipped, would be good to know who has benefitted most from it.
they drew their plans against us...
"And that how it was for the next ten nights
a flair spurting out from Mars
Bright green drawing a green mist behind it
A beautiful but somehow disturbing sight
Ogilvy the astronomer assured me we were in no danger
He was convinced there could be no live
on that remote forbidding planet."
War of the Worlds
Stock up on Yakult... good bacteria
not well then... ?
"That sure as fuck sounds like a monopoly to me.
so the only computer hardware or phone or OS available to the world is made by apple?
I am sure you are inadvertently meaning to compliment Apple and maybe it just "feels" that way seeing as the competition is so crap, but, just so you know, its not a monopoly because you can actually buy computers and phones from other providers if you really want to.
Maybe you just dont want to? you're right too !! good man
perhaps M$ should consult her for innovation
"Back in March 2003, she told Vogue: "There are very few things that are on the banned list in our household...But iPods and iPhones are two things we don't get for our kids.""
She knew about the iPhone, 4 years before it launched !!
"No it isn't, you iDiot."
Yes it is.
"the definition of open: "mkdir android ; cd android ; repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git ; repo sync ; make""
brilliant... thats EXACTLY what my 13 year old niece, my non-tech brother and sister and my Dad needed to know.
I'm surprised they havent trampled over me in the rush to pick one up now that I have pointed this out to them.
NEWS HEADLINE : People are DIFFERENT !!! Who would have guessed??
always amazes me the people who post saying "how could you do with/without it"
ever occur to you that your way of doing it might not suit another person? a little thing called personal preference.
at least the choice is there now.
however that said , you are all wrong and i am right !
"Substance abuse that boosts the production of serotonin" is a subset of Substance abuse.
I'm mainly pointing at items like ecstacy.
also substance abuse has dramatically increased in the last 30-40 years.
substance abuse and loss of investments
I remember reading a study some time back that predicted this. Substance abuse that boosts the production of serotonin in the body makes you feel good, but apparently, if you take enough of it, the body stops naturally producing serotonin and in many cases, it just never restarts.
So once you "grow up" and stop using, you now have no natural way to feel good. You just feel neutral or bad. New grandson? Meh.
and now that many of those have seen the value of their pensions and property investments evaporate, a way out is better than the shame of admitting to the family and peers that they think they have failed.
years of wisdom and fireside tales lost.
Why is this in Reg Hardware?
Windows 7 is a piece of software only. There is no mention in the article about which manufacturers kit it will be on
Just like back in 2007 when Ballmer laughed about the iphone and stated that Microsoft were already selling millions of phone. 100% wrong. They never shipped one phone, just licensed an OS to other companies.
pedantic i know but, hey, its fun to ballmer-bash
decisions.. @ David MacMahon
you made your decision not to buy based on that is written in the Press????? Come on !!
as for apples PR department, its been said that its their "job" to reply to queries.
Surely, thats up to the company itself to decide how they run their own business and allocate resources??
I know I would assign X tasks and if they are already outputting Releases and all the info you can find yourself, then I would not be putting more manpower into that section, I would instead put the money into creating better products and improving support ( i'm looking at you M$)
Tony, a very good article.
I am going on hols in 3 weeks and plan on buying an iPad so i dont have to bring the laptop. Will be the second time in 13 years i will be able to go away without a laptop.
My main work uses will be in browsing, email, SIP via fring and ssh/vnc/rdp/teamviewer, all of which i do on the iphone already on the move, so think i should be covered, just having a bigger screen and bluetooth keyboard.
Thanks for the tip on ethernet in the hotel, i'll be packing my airport express just in case.
I'll let you know how I get on.
we might finally see the type of video phones used in Earth Final Conflict. The modern day Kirk Communicator.
powered by FaceTime of course !!! :-)
buy it now
a company decides to do a web stream and its gets this type of article???? wheres the Chief Editor? Surely you should physically beat employees who turn this nonsense in as a story.
Its not like a live web cast has never been done before.
and only being available on Apple Platform.. ever heard of Beta testing? why dont we burn every company at the stake that only releases for one platform during testing.
God almighty, i must be getting old, my patience for this is gone very thin.
At Last !!! someone else who read the Reg and "gets it"
Good post Sean, pity alot of other readers will probably read it and disagree simply becasue they just dont understand the model.
although , i dont know if google will actually be in a net gain on Android. Development and support costs are huge, and unless the Ad supported Apps dramatically take a greater share, then it might not be enough. Wouldnt it be funny then if it went the same way as Wave etc when the bean counters decide to cut it !!
@andy and AC
since when is there an apostrophe in plurals? its usually used in places to denote ownership
eg: the cat's bowl ( the bowl belonging to the cat)
eg2 : the cats are black ( plural, no apostrophe)
go learn engrish ! at least you have pointed our what half of the population you are in !!! ;-)
yeah, totally agree, fring is a great SIP client. If they punted it as being that , with IM and fring out thrown in, then the could easily start selling it to SIP users for a few quid a go.
Compete with eyebeam etc.
forget about skype tie in and concentrate on their own services
an even better one
MBNA site. Used to have UN and PW box on one page and changed it to a 2 step process.
So you can keep trying usernames first to get confirmation of ones registered.
I rang them to highlight this and the guy on the phone rather bluntly told me that i was wrong, it was a security 'enhancement' and that no-one there had ever heard of what I was talking about.
would love them to read this story...
ok, i'll agree with you on that one, but what if Google put one tenth of the effort that Apple put into vetting all the apps.
They dont need to be as paranoid as apple , stopping browsers or such, but just preliminary checks that items dont contain malicious code.
then normal norman on the street will feel a bit more confident and these stories will be few
insecure techie i'll bet
what makes you think I am an apple user?
bad drivers are dealt with by being caught by the law and fined/imprisioned. Maybe you meant to suggest a financial punishment for users who are reckless with their computing devices?
anyway, I am in no way referring to the motor industry. I am talking about the computing industry. lets try keep your arguments on that topic. Yes I believe that the average user needs controls and protection in place. Tech savvy users do not need them but to make money on volume sales, I would not target my product at them solely and would prefer to instead cater for broader market.
Why is it so hard to accept that not everyone is a computing genius?
when will techies learn that tech savvy users are not the same as general consumers.
Android is a great product, but you have to have a walled garden like the iphone for average joe/josephine
surely the desktop OS history has taught us that? although, come to think of it, the only thing techies learn is how to repeat "My view is the correct one, everyone should do as I say"
and yes, i do appreciate the irony of giving my view here that knocks others views... ;-)
Re : Copy
Terry, I am referring to the fact that after the iMac came out, suddenly there was and i-Everything on the market. And even irons came in bondi blue.
Now there is the iPad and all speculation turns to what x-pad the competition will bring out.
Why do tablets now have to be called pads'?
Come on, wheres the imagination?
(there are other minor examples too, but you get the idea..)
why has no-one got an imagination? including RIM
why the hell does it have to have 'pad' in the name at all??? do all companies have to copy Apple right down to the name?
SURELY they could hire a branding team to come with a name?
At least its not Dell though, who would name it the easy to remember 'X9B7207-g' :-)
whine whine whine ......
fact is, I (and almost every other mac user I know) have NEVER bought an Apple device for the coolness.
I know they dont "just work". Perfection in software / hardware from any manufacturer is pretty much impossible.
But they do 'work' much better than anything else. I know I am much more productive using a mac than windows. I have to use both on an almost daily basis so its nothing to do with what i am familiar with.
Now can you claim that you have spent years working on both, so that your post was an informed decision? Or was it just a jealous rant of someone who just fears the unknown so has to justify their own faults by masking it with a put down of others?
a muppet could see that the connector melted and left a mark on the phone, not the other way around.
Unless the phone is capable of bursting into flames, melting nearby plastic and somehow repairing itself through nano-technology to appear like it suffered a minor heating.
Now theres a conspiracy for the Transformers fans !!
why isnt this story classed as ROTM?
just to clear up and ask the relevant question
suppose first of all, fair play to him... good effort.
@various, its not that Apple couldnt, its that they _Wouldnt_ (their choice really, no-one elses)
so, the big burning questions are : Does it actually kill the battery life? Does performance die? Does it crash? Can you use all the online apps, that were designed for using a keyboard, with just a touch interface?
nothing else matters much really.
modify the file structure on your phone?????? in gods name why to fuck would you want to do that?
Ah, to be fair, its great that there is an app for the 0.0001% of the planets population that want to do that.
FFS, i'm a complete low level techie and i have absolutely no desire to mess with my phone. ITS A PHONE !! Doing something just because other 'techies' go 'cooooool dude' is not _actually_ cool
and @Ben Tasker : Grow Up !
well said sir, however, it will fall on deaf ears.
Techy types have it built into their DNA to think that everybody in the world sees things as they do and if they dont see value in a product, then everyone else is wrong. And NOTHING can change that idea.
The insecurity of thinking that they might have to admit that there is a piece of technology or product that they havent heard of, used or own causes utter chaos and anger in their blinkered view, resulting in picking out the flaws in a product because it is not 100% perfect with all functions that can be conceived built in.
Ironic that the same people could never build up a business and produce the products they criticise in 100 years. No real talent. They simply dont understand the principles of business.
So , no, they will never tire of telling everyone else they are wrong and the mindless "its crap, it doesnt suit me, so it cant suit anyone " comments will keep flowing. despite that fact that it will shape how all other manufacturers start producing their version... irrelevant.
but i could be wrong !! ;-)
ignore the obvious
So the phone operators have done the same as the broadband providers.... in a race to the bottom to prove who can provide the cheapest service, they completely forgot about costs.
Kinda like what Dell did too.
Now that they are down there and realising that providing the "unlimited" plan costs more than they charge, so now they want to either grab a portion of someone elses revenue or try do it themselves.
So when they do open their own App store and then 2 years later realise that the cost of that is more than they realised, what then? Close it down and 2 fingers to customers.
They all want to be the RyanAir of their industry, but they havent the brains on how to do it.
Maybe BMW and Ford should go after Shell , BP etc because they dont get a portion of the Petrol sales.
I know . i know , its not a direct comparison but you get the picture...
"will have a whole new and more intuitive user interface"
when will nokia/RIM/MS et al realise to _stop_ putting in a new user interface every time. Think it out properly and stick with it for more then 1-2 years. its what annoys users most and detracts for the immediate recognition of your product.
also, i think "the trend for the browser to morph into the OS" is a mistake for any OS.
kinda like a few years ago when the Set-top TV box was all the buzz. Pointless and never took off.
oh and @/\/\j17 , I know loads of people who are still buying their first iphone. IN fact in the last 3 months here in Ireland i know more who have just bought one than in the previous 18 months (mainly because Vodafone just started supplying them)
trojan ≠ virus
cant infect me unless i actually allow it by installing it with my password.
i wonder, are Mac users really just more intelligent than windows users and know that clicking 14 confirmation boxes in a row without reading them is just dumb.
Maybe that the new argument in future. OsX, Linux, Windows are all equally secure, just the users of windows are thicker. i'd buy that. !!!! ;-)
and cue the hounds...
you are the one who should check first before posting.
An abbreviation is a shortening of a word (eg: abbrev.)
An acronym is a subset of abbreviations that involves initialisation or similar.
maybe you should have RTFD first !! LOL