* Posts by Marshalltown

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SCORCHIO! This JUNE was the SIXTY-SIXTH HOTTEST on record

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Re: You have to admit that Lewis had very few places to choose

Look at ice problems in eastern Hudson Bay as well. Also the southern hemisphere has been breaking cold records. It isn't nearly as hard to find counter examples. The problem is homogenizing the global data. You wind up with a meaningless blanc mange of so called data. The methods of adjustment are "documented" but the methodology is not, or is very carefully munged until it is unreadable.

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Re: I absolutely disagree with straight manipulation of historical data

"http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/#Climate_data_raw"

Now there is a trustworthy source. The data is aggregated by government agencies. The sources should be government sites, not the primary web page of the Church of Anthropogenic Global Warming.

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Re: Notice anything?

"So, a met station is relocated up a hill. ..."

That would be fine, IF the relocated stations were actually relocated. There are a large number of stations in the US where the "relocation" is nothing more than a change in the rounding of the latitude and longitude figures, or a shift between NAD27 and WGS84 datums for GPS coordinates that was treated by automated software as a change in location. There are some notorious examples in the US and in Australia. Worse though is that in some of those cases, superior data records are weighted downward and misused.

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Re: "...the middle of the Pacific ocean..."

They are, and if you check Hudson Bay, there is a resupply problem taking place along the eastern shores where ice has been reluctant to leave. So much so that summer climate research plans (the irony) for Canadian ice breakers has been cancelled while they break ice instead, and that is happening now.

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Re: @ Dan 55

"...If this article were to plant doubts in peoples' minds, it would have to...

Compare the old and new NOAA datasets with historical UK temperature reading data..."

NOAA data changes are compared pretty regularly in the sceptic blogs. The complaint of of sceptics is that the changes persist in cooling the past and warming the present, which is true. The raw data really doesn't show much in the way of trends.

And, how would one go about "measuring accuracy"? They change the data and they have not published any standard against which accuracy can be objectively measured. So how would one know what "adjustment" is better? There is certainly no empirical basis that can be employed to "adjust" historical data from before about 1950.

The fact is that the adjustments are made according to theory, which says the planet "must" be warming because of increases in CO2. There is certainly no need to "homogenize" data except to draw pretty pictures. Any trend in global weather over time should show up in each local data set over time. So regardless of the thermometer quality or time of observation, each thermometer should reflect its own microcosmic response to any global change.

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That man told me to stuff a ROLE up my USER ENTRY!

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Ah yes - access permissions

Many moons ago, my employer at the time, engaged in an entirely unrelated business, decided to become an internet service provider as well. It had already fallen to another fellow and I to wire the office for a peer-to-peer system so that files could be moved around in Windows98 without resorting to sneakernet. We had one computer that we used as a print server, and every one in the office, aside from the lady up front who ran the document publishing system when she wasn't playing solitaire, used it for printing. And, when we weren't handling the occasional hell desk call, were actually supposed to be writing - and printing - scientific reports with math and everything.

However, the ISP side of the business hired an operator with delusions of BOFH-hood. Our office network was wired directly into the ISP side via the print server for some obscure reason. We had nothing to with that part of the wiring job. Young Would-be, the operator decided that the firewall between the office and the ISP was to be the print server and blocked our use of the server for printing. When we objected he said we didn't have the permissions necessary - because he wasn't going to grant them. So - it was an NT system - every time he left, we would take a little floppy out with a DOS program on it that "read" NT files. Using it always left the NT file system unstable, but once we rebooted it we could print. When young Would-be returned, he would immediately discover that he was unable to access the "firewall" any more and complain bitterly to the owner. The owner would then confront us. We would then hand him the reports we had printed and that he had to read before leaving for home --- which would have been available by noon had we had access to the print server. Ultimately, young Would-be was let go, and a saner version hired who was happy to workout a modus vivendi.

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4 new twists that push the hacker attack on millions of US govt workers into WTF land

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Re: The stupid thing is...

The really stupid thing is that all that information was available through a single entry point. Is there information on what OS the OPM was using on its systems?

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Re: And the idiots in Congress responses have been...

"...They're all being blackmailed by the Chinese and forced to say them!"

Nah, they're in congress. First, congress folk are not, sadly, "Federal employees," else we could fire them. Second, they are in Congress which means that 'stupid' - or minimally "as ignorant as a summer day is long in Alaska" - was part of the job description.

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Scientists love MacBooks (true) – but what about you?

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Cost - cost -cost

Linux software is extraordinarily inexpensive compared to Windows or Mac. Some of us send along the occasional donation, but world-class software like R or GRASS is otherwise free. The comparable commercial software is brutally expensive and your typical grad student or even undergrad can afford it more than even a seat license or a "student" version of SPSS or Stata and don't even think about ArcGIS . They are fine programs but the cost leaves you without ramen and beer for a week or a month or even the rest of the semester.

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You could argue that it isn't Windows that is hated (though you would frequently be wrong) so much as software like Microsoft Office, which is an ungodly nightmare (but so is Open Office on Linux). My experience is that Windows simply has problems weekly while Linux has problems - yearly at best. That latter seems to be changing as we see programmers appearing in Linux bailiwick who "need" to restart Linux following an update. Apparently not experience Linux/Unix programmers.

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Bill Nye's bonkers LightSail spaceship unfurls solar sails at last

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Re: Changing direction...

Nope. If you build a system where sails can be trimmed, you could tack across or even into the "wind."

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By the Rivers of Babylon, where the Antikythera Mechanism laid down

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Re: Been in the museum where they have this object

Dodgy, if you really knew about Libertarian views you would be aware that they are neither right nor left, but instead reside on the extreme anti-statist, anti-authoritarian of the authoritarian spectrum. The right and left both tend to authoritarianism. Left wants you to talk nice, "share" and generally keep your head down. The right wants you talk right, pay your taxes, and generally keep your head down. The only real difference between the left and right is that the right are really concerned about other peoples bed rooms. If you follow American political scandals, the rightwingers run to embarassing, ocassionally criminal (vis the recent indictment of a former Speaker of the House) sexual situations while the left leans to excessively sharing your taxes in biased fashion (embezzlement, bribery, etc.). It's pretty clear Clinton was a Republican plant.

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Hardcore creationist finds 60-million-year-old fossils in backyard ... 'No, it hasn’t changed my mind about the Bible'

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Forgery

I was almost lynched in a comparative religion class making this same suggestion. Someone blurted, "are you saying God is a forger?" I replied, "only if you believe in a 'Young Earth'". People started o shout. Turned out most of the class was fundies expecting to get their confirmation bias stroked.

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Feds: Bloke 'HACKED PLANE controls' – from his PASSENGER seat

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Re: If you have nothing to hide...

Not much argument about the FBI credibility rating, but . . . Apparently, the dude actually claimed all this to the Feebs, so, they actually had no choice. He is reported to have quite literally claimed to have committed an act which would have endangered everyone on the flight. His tweets don't deny either. They seem to simply claim the FBI conflated FIVE YEARS of activity into a shorter period. I've no idea whether the acts claimed are possible or not, and I doubt the FBI do either. But they can't legally ignore the claim. They are required to take the claim seriously. In fact, assuming that the fellow really did make such a claim, and that it is in fact impossible, he'll still spend time in a cell for wasting their time with a hoax.

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Lies, damn lies and election polls: Why GE2015 pundits fluffed the numbers so badly

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Re: "shy tory"

In the US there was at one time a very strong tendency to tell pollsters to get lost. My dad used to remark when asked for a political view that "there's a reason for secret ballots." His rule was that one should never discuss politics or income in polite company.

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Eco-loons hack Thirty Meter Telescope website to help the 'natives'

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Volcano God???

You better keep away from Hawaii, otherwise property values could suffer. The deity of vulcanism in Hawaii is Pele, a goddess. She brings an entirely new meaning to "hot" as applied to the concept of "female."

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BOFH: Explain? All we need is this kay-sh with DDR3 Cortexiphan ...

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Re: Kaysh

"kæʃ which is English" - is also American regionally (as spelled out in IPA). I'm not at all sure where in the US you would hear "keɪʃ", possibly in the central Midwest. There is a good deal of regional variation in pronunciation.

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Re: Kaysh

"Cāche is not a mispronunciation, it's the new correct pronunciation! Compare AD-ver-TISE-ment, pre-FERR-able. Do anything wrong enough times, and it becomes right ....."

Ah yes, GBS, "two nations separated by a common language."

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Trade body, universities row over US patent troll act proposals

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Re: wait wat @YAAC and Gary Cheapiro

A good many of the complaining unies are not public and are not funded through taxes.

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Re: wait wat

"- No. When Universities own patents, that's because they did the bloody research. Big difference between them and patent trolls..."

Universities are fictive entities. They don't do creative work. At best they help fund it. So, no there is a "difference" between universities and patent trolls, but not a "big" one.

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Re: Inventor based system

Another idea would be to simply ban the sale of patents or copyrights outright. The originator can license reproduction or use, but cannot sell or exclusively license a patent. Corporations funding original work become partially credited with a minority right in patents and copyrights but cannot claim any IP exclusively, because a corporation (a fictive entity) cannot do creative work, since they are fictions. The members of the team creating a patentable development are credited evenly and any licensing fees must be shared between all developing members with any funding entity receving a share of less than - say - 30% of the license fee. Claims by third parties without a documented development role of either creative or funding character are voided. Thus inventors and funders do get a share in any creative work and can never lose their rights, patent trolls are out of business and with an appropriate term limit for both patents and copyrights, creative work is also encouraged.

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SPY FRY: Smart meters EXPLODE in Californian power surge

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"Receptacles"

" 'Receptacle' is Americanese for electrical wall sockets. ..."

I don't where that fellow is really from, but "receptacle" is not "Americanese" in California. We call them "outlet" or "socket" if we're being formal and confound them with "the plug" on the end of the electrical cord in daily use - "put the plug in the plug" is occasionally heard. I don't recall ever hearing anyone - except my Canadian grandparents - call a wall socket a "receptacle." The US is big enough that there are regional usages, but still, "Americanese"?

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Sony tells hacked gamer to pay for crooks' abuse of PlayStation account

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"So Sony haven't taken anything from you... ???"

They have denied you access to "services" that they agree you DID pay for - since you don't have a copy of your games in your own hot little hands they are storing your specific copy for you, and for which you have agreed tom pay them. Since they DID agree to that, and both you and they agree that you DID pay for those, blocking your account is essentially theft. Neither they nor you are disputing whether you had an account, just a specific purchase. If you consider a utility comparison, which in many ways is what on-line gaming is similar to, suppose you have a gas heater and gas stove (and for whatever luddite reason you chose) you don't have electricity laid in. Your itemized bill one month includes charges for electricity you could not possibly have used.

You contact the utility and they tell you, "well all you say is true, but you still owe us for the electricity. Until you pay us, we are turning off your gas service as well as your electricity."

You respond, "but I don't use electricity. Just gas. Go ahead and turn the electricity off, leave the gas alone."

They, "sorry, until you pay for the electricity, no gas."

That is not capitalism, that is robbery.

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Nuclear waste spill: How a pro-organic push sparked $240m blunder

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Re: Why not organic kitty litter?

"...If one is covering cat litter with radioactive waste, then, probably, the ecological aspects are less relevant...."

Ah, that would actually be "different" ecological aspects BECOME relevant.

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GitHub jammed by injected JavaScript, servers whacked by DDoS

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Re: Losing face

"Do you really consider your government an open one who works for the well being of all its citizens ?"

Not hardly. However, ours apparently suffers less from feelings of insecurity or at the very least, hides them better.

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Scientists splice mammoth genes into unsuspecting elephant

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Re: Animal made from ancient degraded DNA released into the wild

" 'one sequoia generation'

whats that roughly....3,500 years?"

Considerably less. Sequoias are like guinea pigs and can reproduce long before they mature.

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Ford: Our latest car gizmo will CHOKE OFF your FUEL if you're speeding

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Well there's a relief

At least it can be temporarily overridden. I've been in about three accidents over the course 4 decades of driving and none were due to excess speed. I've dodge a good many potential accidents by hitting the accelerator instead of the brake though. More importantly, it is far less likely to result in a bashed in rear bumper when the person behind you misses your brake lights.

On the lighter side, this would put a whole new - ah - skid(?) on high speed car chases.

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IS 'hackers' urge US-based jihadis: 'Wipe yourselves out trying to kill 0.00005 of US forces'

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Re: Actually I think el-reg have the point entirely.

"... agreed. I would think Responsible news media would ignore this crap completely. ..."

Which would then leave the story to the Irresponsible media, as it were. There are only so many ways to treat this kind of thing. Terrorists by and large have only one point, and that is located in the bull's eye on the top of their pointy little skulls. They are miserable people who wish to spread their misery and to display for all their monumental ignorance of the history of their own civilization's past. Laughing at them might aggravate them, but what are they going to do, scare us?

Western science, mathematics and chemistry as we know it would not exist without the contributions of medieval Muslim scholars. The reality is that the "past" they hark back to was not ruled by what they think of as Sharia at present. It was instead quite enlightened. Europe was the backwater dominated by religious fanatics. So, these "Muslim" terrorists really want to be more like medieval Christians than like medieval Muslims. How embarrassing is that?

Beer because, for the terrorist, there never is a Miller time. Gitmo awaits.

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Nesting falcons interrupt £200m Vodafone 4G mast upgrades

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Re: dual purpose

It has been dual purpose ever since the falcons nested there. The problem is changing out antennae to upgrade the hardware. You climb the tower and if the birds fly away, you have "disturbed" them, which violates the law, meaning jail and or a fine for bird bothering. If they get pissed and go after you, you want a good safety net, or a parachute, and health insurance, and since they were pissed at you, you have disturbed them, again violating the law, meaning jail or a fine, after you get out of the hospital.

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BOFH: Mmm, gotta love me some fresh BYOD dog roll

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Re: Ah, Newcastle Brown

The variety sold in the US has gone downhill to the point that it is nearly indistinguishable in a blind taste test from Budweiser or some of the other fizzy crud passed off as beer by the big brewers.

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Post-pub nosh neckfiller: 1.5 MILLION SCOVILLE masala omelette

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Re: Sympathy...

Heh, the oil DOES help, until later.

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ACLU files new lawsuits in hunt for police 'Stingray' mobe-trackers

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Re: ACLU = AssCLowns Unlimited

Lots of folks say this until they need the ACLU behind them. The concept of civil liberty is something lots of folks don't get. They don't seem to understand that the fact that YOU claim a liberty means that YOU are supporting the same rights for others. If you don't admit to that, you are nothing better than a would-be tyrant, since the implicit reasoning is a form of "what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine as well." You don't have to agree with someone to insist they have the same liberty as you. In fact, if you really want security, then allowing the nut jobs, fundamentalists, and would be oligarchs talking openly provides you with the best early warning system there is. It is one reason that forbidding "hate speech" is stupid. Let a person open their mouth in public and they are publicly known as a jerk. Tell them their right to expression is limited and all they do is hide it where it is more difficult to trace and attribute.

One of the profound misunderstandings that even many law enforcement officers labor under is the idea that they exist to "prevent" crime. They don't. They exist to bring rule breakers to justice. Because of that they often feel entitled to ignore the very rules thy are supposed to be enforcing.

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LOHAN test flight: Results in from Oz jury

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Re: Units

Mmmmh, no. US units and Imperial units are not the same. An Imperial gallon is about 1/5 larger than a US gallon for instance. Then there is the Iiternational Mile which is .0006 of a foot shorter than the US Statute mile, and (according to Glover's Pocket Reference) the nautical mile and the British mile are the same length, and about 0.15 US Statute miles longer than a US Statute mile. Of course a US fluid ounce is slightly larger than the British fluid ounce. But that potential conversion problem sounds like a good idea. Unit conversion, it is never pretty.

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We have no self-control: America's most powerful men explain why they're scared of email

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Re: snail mail

Snail mail takes time and thought to compose on paper. Even so, plenty of stupid stuff has been set down on paper, vellum, papyrus, clay and even on rocks, but proportionately speaking, far less than gushes forth from the general snarl of internet users out there now. In the US the existence of the First Amendment seems to make a good many folk think that since they have a right to an opinion, their opinion must be worth holding, rather than the ignorant drivel it is statistically. McCain at least suspects that not every random neuron firing is worth documenting.

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A Brit in California moves to the Lone Star State – just swerve the TexMex grub

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Cowboys

There are two major and quite distinct traditions in "cowboying" in the US. Texas and the midwest is one. The other comes from California, Nevada, Oregon, Washington often known as the "buckaroo" tradition. The word is a rough literal Anglicization of "vaquerro." The two tradtions are distinct to the degree that hats, clothes, roping styles, and saddles are different. Texan saddles are equipped with a cinch and a "safety belt." "Real" western saddles are single cinched (Texas is after all far east of the far west; it's on the Mississippi after all, and any real westerner knows you can't much farther east than that without being in Europe, or worse in Washington. D.C. ;-)). One fascinating point for an English reader is that Richard Francis Burton (later knighted) discussed this dichotomy briefly in his book about the Mormons and the overland trip California in 1860.

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Re: Friend of mine

Religion is something of an American disease. Even us USians tend to be extra careful around strangers. You can never tell just how odd their thought patterns may be.

However, you want to recall that a survey in Britain in the '70s found that while less than half the UK population believed in a deity, over 70 percent believed in the devil.

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Boffins say Mars had ocean covering 20 per cent of planet

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Re: @Ian Michael Gumby

"So why has Earth's magnetosphere lasted 4GY longer than Mars?"

Short answer, because of the size difference. Mars masses about 1/6 as much as the earth. The active field like the eath has chilled down. Longer answer is, it's still there. Mars occasionally has auroras which don't occur without a magnetic field. Even longer answer is that most of Mars' water may still be there, trap in glaciers covered by dust and at the south pole. Mars has quite a few sinkholes and they can't be due to the same kinds of action that cause sinkholes in Florida and Central America. The best bet is subliming ice (either water or methane).

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Post-pub nosh neckfiller: El Reg eggs Benedict

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Re: Don't think so

A big bag should be the "germ-free" variety. Otherwise the corn meal will turn rancid over time.

Eggs Benedict - bah. Another good use for corn meal is as a finish to chile. The basic chile pepper (this is southwest US cowboy style) consists of pulverized chile peppers (ideally a mix of poblano and some serious chili like tepines or scotch bonnets for heat, the jalapeno can be sliced or diced and used raw for garnish), oregano and cumin (ideally toasted or better added to oil) before browning the meat and onion in a dutch oven. Add a very healthy dose of mixed chile pepper, oregano and cumin to the pot with the browned meat and onion. Deglaze with a decent beer (use a lager, don't waste the ale). Add tomatoes crushed (canned or fresh) simmer until really tasty. Add a handful of corn meal and stir it in, then simmer until thickened. Stash some fresh chopped onion in a bowl in the refer. AFTER that go to the pub. Return with your hang over, reheat the chile now well rested and better tasting than it was when you left, top it with onions and jalapeno and extra sharp cheddar, and pour a beer to wash it down.

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SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS that 2014 was record HOTTEST year? NO

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Re: Well

Why do you persist in this without actually reading up on the methods and debates regarding the adjustments applied to the raw data. The idea of filtering for long term, stable stations like houses and developing an independent data set is a brilliant one and could be done far more easily than the incredibly clumsy methods used by GISS, NOAA and HADCRUT now.

Right now, given the available information supplied by the agencies that generate the major data sets, we *know* that that there will be a trend that pushes each succeeding year upward. The adjustments will not swamp the general pattern of any given year, but over the data span the adjustments force trends even on trendless data.

The replacement of standard thermometers by electronic systems is also KNOW to impose a +1.5 C bias on the measurement. This increase does not seem to be removed from the adjusted data. It might be, but finding documented adjustment methods is far more difficult than it should be.

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Re: Well

In fact, the debate continues about the adjustments to the data that modify past temperatures downward without offering any serious kind of ground truthing. The regions showing the "greatest" warming are in fact all in areas lacking any real data: regions like large portions of South America, Africa, Asia, and the Arctic. These "data" are purportedly interpolated, but astonishingly, they seem to have larger "warming trends" than the actual stations used for interpolation do. These imputed "fictional" data are then used to calculate that "warmest year ever" figure. Seriously.

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Re: Cut the sh*t!

Ah, but which data will you be using to estimate that average. As it is, the estimated temperature change over the last century is pretty weak. When you research the adjustments applied to the raw data, and note among other things that these adjustments ALL BY THEMSELVES would impose a mild warming trend on raw series that is a constant value, then you have a problem. The adjustments are biased and the justifications are mostly either weak, or nonexistent. Only the TOBS seems to make any sort of rational sense. At the same the "adjustment" of historical data downward as you move into the past with an imposed trend is a problem. Some, possibly most, of the methodological decisions that drive these adjustments are clearly "theory" driven rather than developed to address empirical reality. You want to remember Kevin Trenberth's heart-felt complaint in the Climategate emails. He states in the same email where he describes the climate science community's inability to detect ocean warming as a travesty, that the data MUST be wrong. That, my lad, would have set Sir Francis spinning. The entire point of the scientific method as delineated by Bacon was to remove the observer's assumptions as far from the reality of the experiment as possible. To adjust the data prior to analysis based upon the theory being tested is to engage in echo-chamber science. No publication on climate change should report "analytical" results on adjusted data without summarizing the comparable results from the raw data as well. The GISS announcement regarding 2014 as the "hottest" actual assigned a probability of 38% to that assertion if you read the text. That would mean that in all likelihood, 2014 was nothing special with a 62% certainty. BEST's results in any other field using statistical methods would not have been reported, let alone attention drawn to the "rise." It was not significantly different from no change. If you are, as you say, a professional time series analyst, then you know that.

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FERTILISER DOOM warning! PESKY humans set to WIPE selves out AGAIN

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Re: LERN TWO PHUQUEING SPEL!! LOL

You want to recall the remark often attributed to Thomas Jefferson:

"I have nothing but contempt for a man who can spell a word in but one way."

Anyone who was required to read English literature in high school or college in the US actually would know that "civilisation" is a common British spelling. So there is a potential lack of education - or memory failure - showing but just whose?

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American bacon cured with AR-15 assault rifle

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Re: Wacky the lot of 'em

Urrk. Bacon should not be crispy unless you are crumbling on baked or mashed potatos.

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Re: American bacon... What's wrong with it?

You want to get your bacon some place else. Burger King and Carl's Junior are sources of decent bacon, nor are super markets unless you frequent the butcher's counter.

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Re: American Bacon

There's good bacon and bad bacon here in the USofA. Good bacon runs leaner, cured with salt and pink salt, and then smoked, though these days you can get "uncured" bacon which apparently isn't just pork belly by another name. You want it thick-cut because the exterior is the only place the smoke settles. US bacon is what the relatives on the far side of the Atlantic call "streaky bacon." You avoid the syrup by asking for it on the side.

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LOHAN's Plucky Playmonaut touches down at Spaceport America

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Re: practically next door

"... unless there's a mountain pass or something in the way."

Even then, the pass would only be a consideration when it snowed.

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Why has the Russian economy plunged SO SUDDENLY into the toilet?

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Re: So if I have this straight

The US still has law in place that prohibits the export of crude oil. Refined petroleum products can be shipped out of the US but not crude. Many of the multinationals that were once American companies would now like to shipe crude out of country. Skilled refinery help out side the US would increase profit margins when the out put was shipped back.

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Re: So if I have this straight

Israel is more tolerant of religious nuts than most of their neighbors, There are huge numbers of fanatically religious Jewish, Christian and Muslims that crowd into the old cities. Mostly they get along better between rather than within religions. The orthodox argue orthdoxy not with Christians or Muslims, but with other orthodox. The flavours and varieties of Islam and Christianity also by and large reserve their special bile for their erring co-religionists. So, in old Jerusalem, the rock throwing riots you run from are not between religious groups but within them. The shopowners will just slam the shutters and share a cup of coffee with shoppers trap inside while the rock-throwing debates are conducted. With a little luck, the trapped shoppers buy something.

In other ways Israel is nearly as cast-ridden as South Africa used to be before Mandela. Israelis of Palestinian-muslim decent are right at the bottom of the heap, competing with out-of-country labor for a very small amount income. There are plenty of patriotic, muslim Israelis of bedouin descent, who can get quite peevish if you mistakenly treat "Israeli" as a synonym for "Jewish." They aren't Jewish, they ARE Israeli, and they have aboslutely no use for Hamas of any other out-of-country bunch that lobs rockets and suicide bombers at Israel, even if some of that OOC group are relatives. They could well be in the house or on the bus that gets hit. I've been there and talked with them and listened to their hopes and wishes.

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Re: @Mage

The point you seem to have missed is that debt is being "monetized." Banks do not loan "money" per se, that is credit symbolic of existing value. They loan future money - Wimpy's promise to pay tuesday for a hamburger today. They accept your promise to work your butt off so that you can buy a house and they can collect interest which will roughly double or or more the amount you actually need to pay. Banks are allowed under the FRB system to loan a certain amount based upon what they have in reserve. In addition if you were to deposit the loan you received from them back into the same bank, that loan then - at a discounted rate - becomes part of their reserve. That can then also be loaned, and that cycle can be repeated over several iterations: house-car-boat-credit card-... All the bank actually loans is your or someone else's promise to work long enough to create the value, plus interest at a compound rate. Also, if you look closely at your example, the one thing you are not doing is making a living. So, out of that "bit" you set aside, or out of the interest made to repay that loan you are extracting a living yourself, and the "value" you added to the transaction is debatable. Monetizing debt is inherently inflationary and cannot be avoided - and hasn't been during the entire span of western history. The problem with banks is not that they are bad some how. They impede the research into and development of any better methods of reconning values and costs, or where "money" should come from. At present in the US, although the Constitution places the creation of moeny squarely on the shoulders of congress, with the exception of [relatively] tiny amounts of cash printed or coined at government mints, essentially ALL money in circulation is monetized debt issued by private sources (banks - that is).

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Wow - for a moment there I thought you had types "BUILDING HAVOC CONTROLLS." Those can be tricky to by pass.

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