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Sorry, chaps! We didn't mean to steamroller legit No-IP users – Microsoft

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Re: Non-authoritative

It's always harder trying to work out exactly was has been setup incorrectly with just the results to go on... A bit like reverse engineering in a way.

I don't have the inside knowledge that you have, but I tried to explain similar in my incoherent post above (which deserved down-voting for the formatting alone!)

However, I'm wary about your solution - assuming their configs are pretty much 'stock', simply changing the zones to authoritative will mean the servers will not look elsewhere for the data, but will expect it to live locally. - of course, the zone data isn't local to microsoft, due to their kludgy solution (which can be made to work, but errrr. not like that)

As you are aware, but I'll try to clarify for anyone else who maybe confused (I'm looking at you, Microsoft!), the difference between authoritative/non-authoritative is as follows: (and to the techie pedants, I'm purposefully leaving out some stuff not relevant to the situation)

Basically, there are 2 separate functions performed by nameservers. Generally these days, nameservers are configured to do one or the other.

However, nameserver software can perform both roles simultaneously, and in the past, they usually did, adding to some peoples confusion.

These 2 functions are:

1) "Lookup addresses for people" - These are the nameservers you configure in your home systems, usually the nameservers of your ISP or googleDNS or opendns. These are known as 'recursive' - they probe the various servers in the chain until they find the answer you're looking for, and then return it to you as a 'non-authoritative' - this means the nameserver you queried doesn't "own" that answer. It got it from elsewhere.

2) "Host and supply the actual data being looked up for a zone" - These are 'authoritative' nameservers. Different domains are assigned to specific sets of authoritative nameservers. These are the servers your ISP's nameserver finally contact to get the info you require.

For example, the authoritative nameservers for theregister.co.uk hold in a file (db/text/etc.) a record containing the address 92.52.96.89 which is returned when someone queries www.the.register.co.uk -- Change this data held on the authoritative nameservers, and the change will propagate across the whole internet.

If you talk direct to an authoritative nameserver, and query a host in a domain it is authoritative for,it will return the *authoritative* (straight from the horses mouth) results. If it doesn't have a match for your query, you are authoritatively told 'not found'. There is no forwarding to other servers. It's own decision is final.

Additionally, if you ask an authoritative nameserver for an address that isn't in a domain it's configured to be authoritative for, then you get a null result (except in the case I mentioned above where some authoritative nameservers are also configured as recursive nameservers...)

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How this applies to this case:

By taking over the domains, microsofts nameservers are now considered authoritative. The internet-wide nameservers are being told this.

Now, Microsoft needs to configure their nameserver to say 'I'm authoritative for no-ip.org - and the info for the hosts contained within that domain is held in file xxxxxxx.zzz'

The 'gotcha' in this case is that MS doesn't have the no-ip database! Even if they did, the host address updates from users wouldn't happen unless they also took over the whole update infrastructure (which is actually done under a domain no-ip still control)

Their solution? Even though 'the internet' considers their servers authoritative, they've specifically not set them to be - instead configuring them as recursive nameservers that lookup the results elsewhere.

Of course, following the normal path, they'd look up the nameserver responsible and forward the request there. Of course, the nameserver they would lookup is their own, so it wouldn't work - so they've set in their config files the original no-ip servers as an override..... A bit like how some of you edit your hosts file to override an IP address, they've editted their config to override the whole domains nameserver for these domains they've stolen.

So, their nameservers basically behave as recursive nameservers, just as your ISPs nameserver does for you. The only difference is they've been hardcoded with the original no-ip dns info instead of using what everyone else is supplied, so the requests go to the right place, and the results retrieved, and replied with... HOWEVER, ISPs nameservers expect an authoritative response. microsofts servers are configured to relay the request to no-ip and then return it as *non-authoritative* (i.e. 'here is the information you wanted... but i got it from elsewhere)

At this point, all sane resolvers reject the data. They expected authoritative data and they damnwell better get it!

So, if microsoft simply configure their nameservers to be authoritative as they should be, then they will no longer get the data from no-ip.

What they NEED to do is kludge it so that internally it looksup the data as a recursive nameserver, but when it presents this info, it needs to present it as authoritative.

I'm afraid this sort of hack is beyond simple nameserver configs, and as we see, beyond microsoft engineers, who seem not only to not understand the concept/reasons for authoritative/non-authoritative, but are willing to foist their ignorance onto millions, using a power received under dubious circumstances in the first place...

Now...... Where's my money? :-)

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" So, how does that work then? How does my noip client update my IP? I'm pretty sure Microshit haven't implemented the "dynamic" part of the noip service."

They are forwarding the lookup back to the original no-ip servers, so they are sort of acting like a man-in-the-middle.

However they've screwed up the way they've done it.. See my more detailed post below

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This is where they've gone wrong (You'd think they'd know how DNS works....)

They are 'honouring' updates to the users dynamic addresses, but in a horrible and incorrect way:

The authoritative nameservers are configured as recursive for *ALL* domains (yuck)

They have configured an override to divert forwarding requests for these affected domains to the no-ip (original) authoritative nameservers. (i.e. they've statically added NS records for the affected domains pointing to the no-ip servers)

They therefore reply to the client with the correct IP address.

This would be fine for a recursive nameserver, but these servers are configured as *authoritative* nameservers for these domains - and are accessed as such, but they are returning the result as non-authoritative.

Basically, this creates the following process (Example uses the no-ip.org domain, but the same applies to the others. Some irrelevent steps skipped/simplified) :

1) User requests the IP for some-subdomain.no-ip.org

2) Users local nameserver (usually belonging to their ISP) checks the .org servers and is told that the 2 microsoft nameservers are responsible for this domain.

3) Users local nameserver ask the microsoft servers for the authoritative ip address of the subdomain, only to be given an unauthoritative result, along with the message 'if you want an authoritative result, go here' which points BACK to the same microsoft nameservers.

4) Users local nameserver replies with SERVFAIL because the nameserver that is meant to be authoritative is not returning an authoritative response.

Whichever bozo claimed everything is working presumably just did a 'raw' nslookup, saw the response, and didn't think (or know) about authoritative/non-authoritative results.

Or maybe MS nameservers don't handle authoritative/non-authoritative results correctly, so things 'work' if your ISP uses a microsoft nameserver product?? I don't know, just a guess...

Anyway, MS, I think this post is worth many thousands of your MS dollars!

By way of an example, here's a session capture using a jo-ip.org domain chosen at random:

4:37 [2] (1) "~" jamie@lapcat% nslookup

> server a.root-servers.net.

Default server: a.root-servers.net.

Address: 2001:503:ba3e::2:30#53

Default server: a.root-servers.net.

Address: 198.41.0.4#53

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> home.no-ip.org.

Server: a.root-servers.net.

Address: 2001:503:ba3e::2:30#53

Non-authoritative answer:

*** Can't find home.no-ip.org.: No answer

> set q=ns

> home.no-ip.org.

Server: a.root-servers.net.

Address: 2001:503:ba3e::2:30#53

Non-authoritative answer:

*** Can't find home.no-ip.org.: No answer

Authoritative answers can be found from:

org nameserver = a0.org.afilias-nst.info.

org nameserver = a2.org.afilias-nst.info.

org nameserver = b0.org.afilias-nst.org.

org nameserver = b2.org.afilias-nst.org.

org nameserver = c0.org.afilias-nst.info.

org nameserver = d0.org.afilias-nst.org.

a0.org.afilias-nst.info internet address = 199.19.56.1

a2.org.afilias-nst.info internet address = 199.249.112.1

b0.org.afilias-nst.org internet address = 199.19.54.1

b2.org.afilias-nst.org internet address = 199.249.120.1

c0.org.afilias-nst.info internet address = 199.19.53.1

d0.org.afilias-nst.org internet address = 199.19.57.1

a0.org.afilias-nst.info has AAAA address 2001:500:e::1

a2.org.afilias-nst.info has AAAA address 2001:500:40::1

b0.org.afilias-nst.org has AAAA address 2001:500:c::1

b2.org.afilias-nst.org has AAAA address 2001:500:48::1

c0.org.afilias-nst.info has AAAA address 2001:500:b::1

d0.org.afilias-nst.org has AAAA address 2001:500:f::1

>

> server 199.19.56.1

Default server: 199.19.56.1

Address: 199.19.56.1#53

> home.no-ip.org.

Server: 199.19.56.1

Address: 199.19.56.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:

*** Can't find home.no-ip.org.: No answer

Authoritative answers can be found from:

no-ip.org nameserver = ns7.microsoftinternetsafety.net.

no-ip.org nameserver = ns8.microsoftinternetsafety.net.

> server ns7.microsoftinternetsafety.net

Default server: ns7.microsoftinternetsafety.net

Address: 157.56.78.73#53

> home.no-ip.org.

Server: ns7.microsoftinternetsafety.net

Address: 157.56.78.73#53

Non-authoritative answer:

home.no-ip.org nameserver = ns7.microsoftinternetsafety.net.

home.no-ip.org nameserver = ns8.microsoftinternetsafety.net.

Authoritative answers can be found from:

> set q=a

> home.no-ip.org.

Server: ns7.microsoftinternetsafety.net

Address: 157.56.78.73#53

Non-authoritative answer:

Name: home.no-ip.org

Address: 85.241.47.150

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Microsoft's anti-malware crusade knackers '4 MILLION' No-IP users

Jamie Jones
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The irony...

MS attack a third party to halt something caused by bugs in *their* software.....

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Re: Microsoft's Fallacy of Equivocation

" This is similar to shooting all persons with the surname Jones, because someone named Jones pulled a gun."

Oy! Don't give them ideas!

*hmmf*

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Germany dumps Verizon for Deutsche Telekom over NSA spying

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Re: Dear Verizon....

" The problem is that the American public gives more of a rat's ass about who is the next American Idol than whipping its miscreant government back in line.

This snow job is only possible because of the duplicity of so many different players."

Exactly the same here in Britain.

If it's not Britain's Got Big Brothers X Factor Strictly On Ice Get Me Out Of Here, people don't care

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You need a list of specific unknowns we may encounter? Huh?

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Dabbsy...

My hero!

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Google: Glass goggles are a 'fairly lousy surveillance device'

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Re: can we stop saying glasshole yet

" Every time there is a new personal technology we feel this deep urge to take the p out of early adopters."

You must be new here!

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Google adds 'data protection' WARNING to Euro search results

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But what if he's too good?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHpWX9EkhOk

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US Supremes just blew Aereo out of the water

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Re: STOP in the name of love...

" .... Before you break my heart!

(Few under 50 will get that)"

There was a time that El Reg used to refer to the US Supreme Court simply as "The Supremes"

Bring it back, I say!

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Traffic lights, fridges and how they've all got it in for us

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Re: No they haven't

" No, I won't live with it. F.U., go back to your fly-by-night-fresh-from-uni-it-compiles-ship-it-no-money-for-software-assurance coding horror."

Ah..... Someone else who has the cheek to expect software in aircraft, missile guidance systems, traffic lights, power stations etc. not to fail.

How naive of us(!)

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Creepy battery-operated TEDDY BEAR SEX TOY. Sadly, this is for real

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Re: Thanks for nothing Teddy Love, just... thanks...

Haha, that's just gross!

I did have a guilty laugh though!

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Meanwhile, back in Wales...

"Yes your honour, this toy stuffed sheep found in my possession.... A gift for the kids, m'lord. Honest"

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Own goal as World Cup Wi-Fi passwords spilled in newspaper snap

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Yeah, sure....

Yeah, sure you'd all have guessed that password(!)

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Super-snoop bid: UK government hits panic button on EU data retention ruling

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Re: Well you know...

Well, they did throw out the tired old cliche 'catching paedophiles and terrorists'.

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Microsoft's Online Exchange fixed after going titsup for NINE HOURS

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Cue inevitable commentard response:

I know this is going to be a typical response here, but I have to say it anyway...

" During the day, Jim1001 wrote on the Office 365 community page:

“Our entire corporation cannot send or receive emails from Outlook (Office 365 Exchange) or even the OWA web browser as of 8AM MST time this morning June 24, 2014! I have never seen a world-wide email go down like this."

Well Jim, you should sack the idiot who made this 'all eggs in one basket' decision to go to 'the cloud' (ugh) in the first place

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'World’s dumbest' suspect collared in Facebook sting

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Re: not password protected?

Hmmm. My home machines have login/password, but I often leave them logged in.

If an intruder is in the house, accessing my cat videos is the least of my worries.

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Google offers $150 gift card for Chromebook Pixel data shutoff

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Re: "reached out"???

On a similar note, I just stopped reading and binned a message as soon as it used the non-word "webinar"

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What's good for the goose.....

Well, maybe those with Verizon contracts yet to expire should decide it's not worth it to them, and quit early too!

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David Cameron wants mobe network roaming INSIDE the UK

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Re: Whatever the answer may be......

I get full power 3G on three in doors both here (I'm using it now!) and at my previous address.

Nothing indoors downstairs at my parent though.

Just because you don't happen to get it, it doesn't mean no-one else can either

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Re: Manx telecom SIM for use as backup.

" Get a PAYG SIM from Manx telecom. Isle of Man based network, roams all of the mainland UK networks. Same cost* as a mainland PAYG calls and texts."

Sounded interesting, so I checked the website.

Unfortunately, I don't quite see how their 25p per minute / 13p per text can be termed the 'same cost' as the 3p/2p I currently pay on PAYG with 'three'...

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DON’T add me to your social network, I have NO IDEA who you are

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Re: best post I've read all day

Yo back!

You know, if El Reg had a 'Yo' icon, we'd be able to post comments without having to type anything!

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"But Twitter’s cute premise of 140 characters, while strangely compelling and often entertaining, makes it singularly inappropriate for anything of substance."

Have you thought of trying 'yo' instead?

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DON'T PANIC: Facebook returns after 30-minute outage terror

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Re: What did I miss?

" Quite proud of the fact that I completely missed this outage, didn't even know it happened."

You mean that it's so unusual for you to not be 'connected' that it's rare for you to miss news of something like Facebook being down for just 30 minutes?

Well, I guess being proud of that is better than being ashamed, but still, sorry, mate, that's so sad.

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Re: Excuse me, but

" Which interestingly enough, they wouldn't have known if the hungover soon-to-be-ex-employee didn't shout it to all and sundry."

...or his/her 'mates' posting to his/her timeline.

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32,000 motherboards spit passwords in CLEARTEXT!

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"internet of things"

Of course, this type of thing will all be a memory when/if the "internet of things" (I bloody hate that term, and now you've gone and made me use it for the first time - not once, but twice!) takes off, so we have nothing to worry about!

</sarcasm>

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Code Spaces goes titsup FOREVER after attacker NUKES its Amazon-hosted data

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Re: Code Spaces : Is Down!

They didn't put it into pastebin - that's just the anon coward playing a slight of hand with the posted url (link doesn't go to what the text implies)

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Re: @Jan 0

"He might be Australian. We use "c*nt" colloquially, the same way Brits use "bastard" and Americans use "asshole", and it isn't intended to be misogynistic."

Indeed, but then, so do us Brits, and rest-of-world too!

It's not as if the poster was so annoyed with these people that he/she (Unlike Jan0, I'm not making a sexist assumption!) maliciously and nonsensically compared them to a feminine 'front-bottom'.

Rabid feminists do the legitimate cause more damage than sexist men

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LinkedIn ignored SIX WARNINGS about account-hijacking bug

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Amateurs?

"When the victim types email and password, it’ll be sent over the network in an unencrypted form that can be easily read by any attacker – even the most amateur ones."

I assume they are talking about an open wi-fi - tapping a wired/fibre link is not automatically easy for 'any amateur attacker'

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Yes. App that lets you say 'Yo' raises 1 MEEELLION DOLLARS

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At least there's some sanity...

Most of the reviews on the play store read much like the piss-take reviews on Amazon items:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.justyo

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Facebook goes TITSUP across WORLD! Who will look at your cousin's baby NOW?

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'Anonymous' DDOS?

Haha, does anyone really believe that an 'Anonymous DDOS' could take down Facebook globally?

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London Tech Week: All for the luvvies and the joke's on you, taxpayers

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Re: Job Interview

" I went for an interview a while back...."

...

""Is this where we're working?" I asked, "

"Carlsberg don't do cocky confidence, but if they did...."

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" Here's the thing, pretty much every company that has surpassed a single shop and an old fashioned till is dependent to some degree on tech (be it internal, outsourced or hosted) as such you can classify every company as a tech company if you want"

errr, yeah. Wasn't that what the article said?

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ISIS: Iraq KILLS the INTERNET: VPNs, social media and chat apps blocked by government

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" It's frightening how easily a government can order the complete shutdown of the Internet in a country. A network that is so essential to so many people in their daily lives should not be so vulnerable."

I agree with you, but it seems the other commentards don't agree..

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Re: Which planet are Facebook on?

Ah, so armed uprising means it's OK to close the internet, like that's going to make any difference.

Bloody hell, you've all been complaining about censorship, yet this is OK? NIMBY's?

The internet is used by paedophiles so should we close that down?

I feel you are all hypocrites who wouldn't stand for it here, but because it doesn't affect you, you've all turned into Matt Bryants.

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Re: Which planet are Facebook on?

Really? It was said that during their more active times, Al Queda used the internet to communicate, and recruitment and propaganda web sites exist. Should the government have therefore attempted to close the internet in the UK?

How about banning mobile phones too? Surely that's the next logical step.

You know, cars and roads make it easier for criminals to escape...... Ban them too!

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YouView loses YourView trademark fight, may have to pick new name

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" I hear that Nasa is suing Apple - because ISS sounds a bit like iOS"

Don't be silly........

It's Apple suing NASA! :-)

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WTF?

Huh?

A web-based accounts management system versus a digital TV service?

What do they have in common other than they both use this internet thingie?

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GCHQ to share threat intel – and declassify SECRET inventions

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They don't do this already?

" Blighty intelligence and security bods at GCHQ will share classified information on cyber threats with organisations running the UK’s critical national infrastructure"

Huh? See subject.

As for sharing with us things they've invented with our money, well, how nice of them.

To be fair, that's one thing a lot of American departments have been good at (NASA and its photos,documents; Darpa and the internet etc.)

What does Uk.gov ever give back?

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Boris: Look on 'London's digital tentacles', ye mighty, and despair!

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Re: Like it's a good thing?

Nice one, Don!

And good luck in your critical mission!

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Great Firewalled?

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Drew, I think you must have pissed off someone with all the Huawei articles!

http://viewdns.info/chinesefirewall/?domain=www.theregister.co.uk

My domains are not blocked! Yay inoffensive, politically correct me (with blank websites!)

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IPv4 addresses now EXHAUSTED in Latin America and the Caribbean

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Re: I'm curious

" Let's say I have a dedicated server (or VPS?) somewhere that has IPv6:

* is it possible to set up a vpn (Linux-based) so that my local IPv6 traffic goes out over that link with a specific IPv6 address?

* would I be able to use the same tunnel and some config on the remote server to assign specific IPv6 addresses to, eg, my local toaster, fridge, etc.?

My local ISP d1oesn't support IPv6, so I'm trying to figure out how to dip my toe into IPv6 waters, so to speak...

If I understand you correctly, you have a server with native ipv6, and you want to use it to give your home network ipv6 via an ipv4 tunnel from home to server.

Yes, ip6 in ip4 capability exists in linux, and yes, you can configure the server to route some of your ip address range down the tunnel to your home lan.

Your home lan simply becomes an ipv6 subnet of your server.

However it's much easier, and cleaner to get a free tunnel from an ipv6 provider. You won't need to rely on the server for connectivity, and you will get your own ip6 /64 dedicated to your lan (and all 2↑64 devices you own!)

He.net is quick, free, reliable, so much so that I have my home router (he.net allows more than one independent tunnel - i have one set up at home, and another on the uk server) set to prefer ipv6 over ipv4 if the remote site supports it.

https://tunnelbroker.net/

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Re: I'm curious

I personally find the he.net broker and setup to be the best, and fastest.

he.net have endpoints in the UK, USA. and own the links between them, and as under utilised, I find them faster for international links than ipv4!

Compare my ipv4 traceroute from my UK server to my US-West server with the ipv6 equivalent (uk using free he.net london pop - us-west has native ipv6)

catflap.dyslexicfish.net (::)

Packets Pings

Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev

1. DyslexicFish-1.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net 0.0% 38 10.9 11.2 10.3 13.1 0.4

2. v316.core1.lon1.he.net 0.0% 38 15.7 10.1 5.9 23.8 4.5

3. 10ge3-1.core1.lon2.he.net 0.0% 38 7.6 9.3 5.9 17.9 3.8

4. 100ge1-1.core1.nyc4.he.net 0.0% 38 73.0 75.2 71.5 84.5 4.2

5. 10ge10-3.core1.lax1.he.net 0.0% 38 140.3 137.5 133.0 146.3 4.4

6. 10ge1-3.core1.lax2.he.net 0.0% 38 132.4 135.9 132.4 153.1 4.4

7. ge-0-7-0-24.r04.lsanca03.us.ce.gin.ntt.net 0.0% 38 133.8 134.2 133.0 142.3 1.7

8. catnip.dyslexicfish.net 0.0% 37 134.4 135.2 134.1 147.0 2.2

catflap.dyslexicfish.net (0.0.0.0)

Packets Pings

Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev

1. 91.109.5.254 0.0% 53 0.8 1.6 0.4 26.2 4.3

2. ldc5-cr5.core.webfusion.com 0.0% 53 1.5 2.6 0.5 65.5 8.8

3. 109.104.95.101 0.0% 53 6.7 10.7 5.9 158.9 22.6

4. ldn-b5-link.telia.net 0.0% 53 6.4 7.3 5.8 51.9 6.3

5. ldn-bb2-link.telia.net 0.0% 53 6.1 9.8 5.5 91.6 13.3

6. ash-bb4-link.telia.net 0.0% 53 80.7 82.2 79.9 122.0 7.3

7. las-bb1-link.telia.net 0.0% 53 143.3 143.6 142.7 153.4 1.8

8. las-b3-link.telia.net 0.0% 53 153.4 156.3 152.5 203.8 9.3

9. 208.90.35.66 0.0% 52 153.3 153.1 152.2 161.0 1.1

10. v107.r6.lax2.trit.net 0.0% 52 143.3 143.3 142.8 143.8 0.0

11. arpnetworks-lax2-gw.cust.trit.net 0.0% 52 154.0 156.2 153.4 192.1 6.5

12. catnip.dyslexicfish.net 0.0% 52 153.9 154.0 153.3 156.5 0.4

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DAMN you El Reg, CALL ME A BOFFIN, demands enraged boffin

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What's with the degree requirements?

I did a B.Eng at university, but even so, I don't see why a piece of paper is a requirement.

There are many people without degrees who could quite rightly be called a boffin - and there are many with relevant degrees who can't..

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PICS ON GROUND: Cabbies PARALYZE London in Uber rebellion

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Re: Doesn't hide the major problems with Uber, though...

That is the crappiest argument I've ever seen in El Reg.

You must be new here!

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Stephen Fry MADNESS: 'New domain names GENERATE NEW IP NUMBERS'

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My guess is..

... he thinks it's akin to creating a new telephone exchange (although even that just causes an allocation of an exchange code, and the freeing up of numbers beneath it, rather than 'creating' new numbers....)

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Re: That was ironic. Right?

Lol, NomNomNom, is the regular El Reg commentard teaser (I don't use the word 'troll' as Nomey is cleverer and more amusing, not simply being provocative)

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@Vic: Re: so every new domain/user generates another server farm, eh?

Haha, you beat me to it. Don't use just love it when a poster takes on an obnoxious and condescending tone when 'correcting' someone with a reply that is full of bollocks?

I'm disappointed you didn't comment on this gem though: " generally through a MX record"

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Google's URL-hiding 'origin chip' is 'backburnered'

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Re: Another possibility:

Ahhh, memories of the anguish when finally having to start quoting my domain backwards for email etc.

My uk.ac.lut uk.ac.ed and uk.ac.cf addresses actually meant something..

Eek. Just realised I've fallen into another concept no longer with us: short/long form domains.

I should have written the above as:

uk.ac.loughborough, uk.ac.edinburgh and uk.ac.cardiff

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