1376 posts • joined 14 Jun 2007
Nice to see you, Bill.
I thought you'd left the Register?
"Combine that with other wonderful plans such as a pinning your national economic future to a currency union with the rest of the UK, which the UK government has already said they won't agree to"
It shows that I'm not an economist, but that has always confused me.
What's stopping an imdependent Scotland (or any other country) deciding to mirror the value of the UK pound? The only restriction I can see is potentially international copyright laws, but why then couldn't they keep parity but call it (say) the 'ellbie' or something.
I realise I'm being stupid here, so please reply with constructive answers not flames :-)
"Now that's what I call Firefox 31"
Re: Nearly had me agreeing
"Imagine Netflix content is delivered by the lorryload to your home from a Netflix factory on the other side of the country.
You pay your local council to maintain streets and local roads that connect your home to the motorway network."
Your analogy is flawed, because whilst you mention roads, you don't talk specifically about cars!
All geek analogies should be based on cars! It's the law!
Re: very appealing for a small ISP.
"Might not be appealing, but does it provide the service you promised to your customer? I'm paying my ISP for the connectivity, not Netflix.
If the ISP wants to modify our contract to include a Netflix peering surcharge, because the cost of that connection is disproportionate to the rest of the service (use whatever method of determining typical non-Netflix user you want) that's fine and I'll evaluate the value of that new contract."
Exactly! I have sympathy for the ISPs, but the way the model is structured, it isn't Netflix pushing lots of data into ISPs, it's the ISP customers requesting/pulling/downloading the data as allowed under the terms of their contract.
If an ISP no longer finds the 'all you can eat' (but hopefully not many of you will) model sustainable, then they need to reevaluate that model. Whether it's to place restrictions, up the prices generally, or charge more for higher usage (and it should be based on the data amount, not who's supplying it) then so be it.
As it is, they are charging customers for the right to download that data, and then when they do, they want to charge the provider of that data too.
Yeah, I can see how as Netflix gets popular it seriously impacts on your business model, but that's not Netflixs fault for supplying data your users have paid to be able to receive. The flaw is your underselling, and it's only your problem.
You'd have the same problem if all your users simply downloaded the same amount of data from loads of other random sites.. You going to try and charge every site for the data your users download from it?
P.S. I'm referring to the basic bandwidth issue - the CDN/cache/local server/hosting aspect is another big can of worms
"according to wikipedia (I know), UK metered supplies covered 33 of households and leads to a 5-15% reduction in usage."
Fair enough, though I've never known anyone to leave taps on for the hell of it.
Though I do know some people with meters don't flush the toilet...
" I know I am much more aware of water use on a metered supply than I was ona flat rate supply"
Aware, maybe, but I'm curious to how you use less. (or rather, what you used before than you don't now).
Not being a git, I'm genuinely clueless - other that watering the garden, maybe washing the car less, but as for the indoor use...?
"forcet? Don't you mean 'faucet'?"
Errrrrr, more than likely! *cough*
Thanks, AC! You get around a lot!
PS. Three downvotes for getting a spelling wrong - either that or some people resent me not wasting data.. The rest was simply factual. How can you downvote that?
Re: The Rest of the Story
"Basically every non-mega-internet-corp in the world has a blend that includes Level3 or Cogent in their mix and you know it"
That would be the stereotypical view that America == World? :-)
I know level3, HE, and others have global links, but you'll find in the UK at least they are at public peering points, and sometimes with the big ISPs but definitely NOT the small to medium ones!
" Can you image the waste if people paid a fixed charge for water, electricity & gas regardless of consumption?"
Um...You said 'tap' instead of 'forcet' which implies you are in the UK - yet you still don't know that the majority of properties here have unmetered water supplies?
In my 40+ years, every property I have lived at in the UK has had a fixed water charge, and funnily enough I've never left taps on for no good reason!
Similarly, I won't leave live video streaming running on my unmetered internet connection if I'm not using it.
If you think about it, I'm sure you'll find many things you don't waste even when cost isn't a factor.
Patient: "Doctor Doctor, wherever I go, I keep thinking I hear people talking about the Ukranian crisis "
Doctor: "Oh boo hoo. Crimea river"
" wrwyuustqut (which I believe is Welsh for haha)"
More or less! :-)
Re: Power Supplies
Can I be your friend?
Re: Maths failure?
I am indeed!
Re: I did not know there *were* that many cloud providers. Or are they
I wondered that too.
From the article (which refers to them as 'hackers' *sigh*):
Companies like Google, Heroku, Cloud Foundry, CloudBees, and many more offer developers the ability to host their applications on servers in faraway data centers, often reselling computing resources owned by companies like Amazon and Rackspace. Ragan and Salazar tested the account creation process for more than 150 of those services. Only a third of them required any credentials beyond an email address—additional information like a credit card, phone number, or filling out a captcha. Choosing among the easy two-thirds, they targeted about 15 services that let them sign up for a free account or a free trial. The researchers won’t name those vulnerable services, to avoid helping malicious hackers follow in their footsteps.
"Researchers Rob Ragan and Oscar Salazar have build a free LiteCoin-mining botnet that generates $US1750 a week /using free cloud signup promotions.
The pair will outline the exploit at Black Hat next month, but have blabbed to Wired about how they used automatic tools and processes to spread a currency-mining botnet across some 150 popular free services that each generated about 25 cents a day -- all on the providers' electricity bill."
Um... 150 * 0.25 * 7 != 1750
I didn't downvote you, but I don't agree.
Granted they may have broken contracts, but can't see anything illegal here.
They want to receive samples of urine?
Surely that's taking the piss!
Re: Probably, but not necessarily ...
"You're down in the weeds on this. Come up to a higher level."Really?
"Verzion has the pipes to send the data to their customers."I agree.
"They aren't doing it."I agree.
"Therefore it is Verizon's issue, not Netflix."I agree.
"I know what I pay Verizon a month, and I know what I pay Netflix a month."I agree.
"I know what Verizon promised me, I know what Netflix promised me."I agree.
"Verizon is the one who isn't delivering and I'm paying them better than 5 times as much money."I agree.
Now, how does this contradict the *only* point I've made (many times) in response to this article, which is that nothing in the original blog post proves specific netflix throttling?
Is there some comprehension issue here?
Throttling doesn't mean "We know there are problems with the Netflix connection, but are denying it and doing bugger-all about it"
It means: "Oh look, that packet is from netflix. Let's intentionally artificially slow down it's delivery."
Re: Um, so how does that work then?
Can you read?
1) I never said there wasn't congestion.
2) I never blamed anyone else for the problem.
3) Nothing to do with routing. Unfortunately, capitalism get's in the way of your blinkered utopian view on how the internet works. You can't blindly reroute via every available route - some links are contracted for specific routes only.
An actual real-case example.
I used to work for a large International tech company. We had fast internet connectivity, although it was often unreliable.
At one stage we bought out another company, and as their network already used an IP address range that didn't clash with ours, their network was soon fully absorbed and routable to/from ours.
For the time being at least, they continued to run as a separate company with their own budget and management structure and accounts.
They also had their own internet link, which although wasn't as beefy as ours, was far more reliable.
Technically , our network could be configured to route to the internet via their link (the non-private addresses that didn't need NAT, at least)
Indeed, if our link was down, some of us would bounce our SSH connections through them, but there would have been hell to play if the main connections automatically routed to the internet this way.
As I (and others) have continually repeated in this thread, the issue was that from the evidence given, YOU CAN NOT DEDUCE THAT VERIZON ARE SPECIFICALLY THROTTLING PACKETS FROM NETFLIX.
That is the ONLY thing we've said on the matter, and can''t be said any clearer.
You are therefore either trolling, or incredibly stupid - stupid of the worst kind - the kind who blindly believes they understand something which is actually totally beyond them; the type of person who ends up making monumental cockups because 'they know best'.
Not understanding something is fine - we can't all be experts in every field. What defines the stupid like you is you don't have a clue, but think you do. You then proceed to embarrass yourself with stupid postings - at least, you would be embarrassed if you weren't living in your stupid fantasy ego created world in which there is any merit in your anal dribblings.
Or maybe you *are* beginning to realise, which is why you're posting anonymously. If that is the case, then congratulations! Baby steps etc.
If not, don't worry there kiddo, you'll be perfect for management.
Re: Um, so how does that work then?
No-one is defending Netflix - we're just pointing out that it's *not necessarily* specific throttling. And, it has nothing to do with encrypted packets - just that someone is bouncing via an alternate route.
Re: Probably, but not necessarily ...
Yep!! Good ideas!
Actually, you could probably do it just by testing to somewhere that also peers through the same L3 link, just in case Verizon were allegedly throttling everything to the Netflix addresses.
I'd love a shell account on a Verizon connected host right now!
Re: Probably, but not necessarily ...
Cheers for the downvote.
Your reply says nothing to contradict what I wrote.
Either you have comprehension difficulties, or you just don't understand.
I said nothing to suggest that their link to Level 3 wasn't a problem. I was explaining that the fact he gets faster access via a VPN doesn't necessarily mean Verizon are specifically throttling Netflix packets.
And yes, traceroutes would be relevant to help determine this.
Please come back when you've acquired a clue.
Re: Probably, but not necessarily ...
" The route the traffic takes it not a factor and here is why. It is Verizon that has stated the congestion is not in the Verizon network, but the companies that Netflix uses. If the link that is congested is from Level-3 to Verizon, then the congestion is right at the front door on Verizon itself which is why Level-3 has stated that they are willing to hook a few more cables up. "
No. As I said, not necessarily.
It is established that the main route for Netflix to Verizon is via level3.
They may, however have a link via (say) Hurricane Electric which happens to be the route used by the ISP the VPN runs under.
If this link isn't saturated, and the VPNs ISPs link to Netflix isn't saturated, then he will get the faster speeds as he will no longer be using the Level3 link. (netflix -> vpn -> Hurricane Electric -> Verizon) without it meaning that Verizon is specifically throttling Netflix.
If he names his VPN provider and/or provides traceroutes, it will be clear. If his VPN also goes via the same Level3 route, then, yes, throttling is being intentionally done. If not, we simply can't be sure based on the evidence so far provided.
Probably, but not necessarily ...
Not defending Verizon, who should not be dragging their feet over this issue, but this VPN situation could occur 'accidentally' if the guys VPN goes via another route not usually congested with Netflix traffic.
Just checked his blog. He basically said this himself:
My hypothesis here was that by connecting to a VPN, my traffic might end up getting routed through uncongested tubes. Basically, if Verizon is not upgrading the tubes that go to Netflix, maybe I can connect to a different location (via VPN) first where Verizon will have good performance and there will be no congestion between location 2 and and Netflix.
.... but then later seems to forget that this could be incidental rather than intentional throttling.
" PLUS: You'll never guess the nations where broadband's IN REVERSE!"
I want to start a campaign calling to ignore any articles which contain a buzz-feed style headline (or by-line)
Whilst I'm moaning, fix the bloody posting times on forum posts!
Re: Polar Bear
" I think we need to get some elephants out on the ice in a seal sniffing competition with a couple of Polar Bears."
Polar bears? Not to be sniffed at!
Re: Browser Wars
You may be joking, but 'w3m' works great for 'El Reg' - especially for long comments as you can use 'vi' or any other editor of choice.
If anyone knows a way to spawn vi under android browsers (I have a terminal emulator, I have 'vi') let me know and you can have my babies!
" Hence, I'm going LINUX... already started migrating. PS4 will be my gaming system and Linux to do desktop work."
If you're going Linux, you'll have to change your gaming system to SteamOS, as PS4 is FreeBSD based.
(Icon is closest we have to the FreeBSD icon... I think I'll start a repurposing campaign!)
People just don't have the sort of important stuff on their phones that they might on their PC (at least, not without backups)
Even some of the most careless users will tend to have uploaded their photos to their PC's for viewing on a larger screen, or have auto backups via Google etc.
Generally people assume their phone is a lot less safe than their computer (theft, loss, damage etc.)
I'm not saying that there aren't many out there that are vulnerable, but compared to PC users, it will be considerably less, and who'd pay $300 for a few photos taken over the last few months?
Indeed, the short replacement cycle for phones adds to this - people won't have important archives on their phones that go back years...
Re: training? you were lucky....
" youve been fortunate to get any kind of training. 20 years I've been at this and it seems that the 3 employers in that time consider training as something that will make me get a better job elsewhere."
Ouch. I've worked with people who expect to be sent on training courses, and whinge if they haven't : "I can't do that problem. I haven't been on the course."
They didn't last long.
" "The reason I make fun of MCSEs is that they can't format a floppy disk in order to update the BIOS" bloody hell, thats a tall order!
I once bumped into one that asked me how to map a network drive from the command line."
I totally agree with both of you.
I never considered myself a Windows expert, just 'someone that knows a bit', but the number of times I've ended up fixing something the self proclaimed gurus (with MCSE qualification) couldn't it's beyond funny.
To most, after a cursory look around, their conclusion of 'you have to reinstall the OS' is a valid solution!
Some have even said there is no way to recover anything because it won't boot (though obviously if it's just the OS that is buggered there is nothing stopping you retrieving user files with a rescue disk / dual boot etc.)
But even that aside, on many occasions that their proposed solution has been 'have to reinstall', I've managed to locate a corrupted boot config etc., fix/restore it, and get the system running again without any loss, after which I start preaching about backing up important files!
It's little wonder MS installs are often insecure - the cowboys give the decent MS gurus a bad name.
On another note, how is it fair to make a qualification harder without changing it's name? Are people with the harder qualification going to be known as MSCE++ (or, as it's MS, MSCE# !)
Re: Don't blame Blair ...
" There was a time when we accepted that the IRA would exploit the benefits of living in a free society to perpetrate acts of terror. We didn't think that the answer was to stop living in a free society. Today ..."
Re: When did Britain lose its way?
" Lets go back a sec and look. The majority of terrorism that we've encountered in the UK was due to The Troubles, and the government response to that was.... to give military intelligence to the "good" Protestant terrorists so they could go kill the "bad" Catholic terrorists (and deal drugs and run criminal enterprises)."
I'm not disputing that at all, but the public weren't whipped up into a frenzy - in fact, it was the 'British Way' not to be intimidated. The only restriction I can recall was the BT (post office tower) being closed to the public unless using the restaurant, and my Irish friends often being treated as terrorists, (especially at airports) but that's another story..
When did Britain lose its way?
The terrorist hysteria was more expected in America, as it was generally a new phenomenon.
Here in Britland, we've had to deal with proper terrorism for years, and everyone has dealt with it with rational perspective.
Back then we were tough and dealt with things - we didn't have the Matt Bryant / Daily Mail paranoia that we have now.
I know it's due to governments wanting to keep us scared to make us easier to manipulate but still... If those who survived the Blitz were aware of things now, they'd be turning in their graves.
Re: The definition of terrorism is too broad
But you're a potential terrorist too!
Direct Messaging failure reasons
Don't they realise their users are in the wrong demographic?
A typical twitter user is a narcissistic attention whore who thinks their anal dribblings are worthy of attention. They'd sooner' direct message' in public if it meant their list of stalkers went up.
Re: Bang bang!
" "Europeans have no guns" is only true if "Europeans" are English, Welsh or Scottish."
Not even then.
Plenty of British civilians legally own firearms
" Europeans have no guns, but our children go around pointing their finger and saying “bang, bang” all the time."
We did that back in my day too. Cowboy films are hardly a new phenomena
What am I missing here? From the linked 'Treehouse' site, 'responsive design' seems to be basically how HTML has always worked (except during the dark periods when idiots designed everything with fixed with tables, 1X1 spacing gifs, and the inevitable footer 'Best viewed in Internet Explorer at 800x600 resolution")
The site goes on to say:
What is responsive design?
Let’s just get right into it: Believe it or not, the Treehouse blog that you’re reading this article on is actually a responsive design! To see it in action, open this article on a desktop browser and slowly make the browser thinner and wider. You should see the layout magically adjust itself to more comfortably fit the new width of the browser, even if you make the page as skinny as the resolution
Apart from the image rescaling (which anyway could often be achieved by [admittedly a bit of a hack] using a %age dimension) what is new here?
http://blog.teamtreehouse.com/beginners-guide-to-responsive-web-design - A site that is full of pingback comment spam, and incidentally does not 'magically adjust' as they claim on my tablet.
" nearly 12 hours since Auntie updated its users about the outage."
I was going to post a rant about 'First World Problems' etc. , but at the last moment, realised you'd written 'outage' not 'outrage'
Just as well, I'd noticed. It would have been embarrassing if I'd revealed my poor comprehension skills!
Re: Poor Bug Fixing
What is the 2nd law?
Is that the one that says all complex programs evolve to the point where they can read mail?
Re: Of Google software and battery drain
I find that Googles own Android apps are the worst offenders.
Only today I had to kill G+ because it was sucking CPU and I/O. Maps was also running - I've used neither in months.
Android is my tablet OS of choice, but I'd be pretty pissed off at it if I didn't have the ability to keep it under control.
Re: Tired admin
I was once followed for about 2 weeks by someone who downvoted all my posts, however innocent they were.
And 'Matt Bryant' seems to have had a few downvoting groupies for quite some time!
As for this case, well, it wasn't me, but maybe someone didn't like your implied assumption they'd be running Ubuntu? Or that your post dealt with OS related stuff, (thus implying - *gasp* - that Linux has some issues, whilst clearly this is a dumb app/admin issue)
" Maybe after this the penguin lovers will stop looking so bloody smug with their "my OS is virus-proof" arguments."
Obvious troll etc.
But just in case, unlike you, I assume the penguin lovers know the difference between the OS and its applications - the latter which may have bugs or be configured incorrectly.
Here's a clue: This malware needs to be downloaded to a server and be executed. We aren't talking about fooling the OS into running it - no, it has to be run by a user (I.e. a process which could be a dæmon - not necessarily a human user)
I'm sure that if a user executed 'del/s \*.*' in a dos prompt on a windows machine, not even the most fanatical Linux fanboi would blame windows for those files being deleted.
The real issue
The real issue here is the stupid applications that have bugs that allow arbitrary files to be uploaded and executed in the first place - and morons who type 'chmod 777' on files/directories that they install.
Furthermore, attacks like these can be mitigated with common sense by *using* standard features of a Unix operating system:
- NEVER have a dæmon run under the same user as that which owns the code files.
- Don't enable cron facilities for a dæmon that doesn't need them (or again, run cronjobs via a different user than the one the dæmon runs as)
- Never blindly run 'chmod 777' on anything [ this particular piece of malware attempts to write to the file /etc/rc.local - *anyone* who runs a machine where that would work should be forced to listen to Justin Bieber non-stop for a week ]
- Consider running unaudited dæmons in a jailed subsystem (or at least a chroot) - and if your system supports it, use sandboxing/process-restrictions to disable any functions that will never be legitimately needed)
" So happy to see stereotypes about 'computer geeks' are still going strong. Because generalisations about large groups of people are always correct."
Spoken like a true fat, spotty, nerdy twat in his faded t-shirt that smells like a sweaty pillow!
Re: Fraudulent fishermen
Re: the Greek alternative
Haha, nice catch!
"When is an 'Ε' not an 'E' ? :-)
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