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Re: So why didn't you just uninstall Windows 8 and install something else?
perhaps you missed the part about how my ASUS shipped with Win 7? I bought the thing last year, _before_ Win 8 shipped, specifically to ensure that I got Win 7. That's one sale which could, arguably, have been made later (my old Toshiba didn't actually die until about April this year, so if I'd waited until then to replace it that would have been... a Win 8 sale on a new machine this year.) and I know quite a few people who purchased new machines last year in August and September to make damn sure that they had new systems which did not run Win 8. And, given the way things are going, as certain items have to be re-written anyway, odds are excellent that they'll be re-written to work on Macs, and my next laptop will be a Mac laptop. Thanks, Microsoft, for breaking those apps in Win 8...
Re: windows h8te
I used it for nearly two weeks. Among my issues:
1 UI problem #1: the damn hidden whatever-it-is that pops up on the right side. I had no end of problems getting to the Settings or to the Control Panels. In earlier versions of Windows, or on Macs, or even on Ubuntu Linux, doing similar tasks is trivial.
2 UI problem #2: finding apps, or programs, or whatever, when in Desktop mode. In earlier versions of Windows, or on Macs, or even Ubuntu Linux, this was trivial. Unless I scattered shortcuts all over the place, locating a particular app was a major pain. Yes, I know, Microsoft wants me to use MetroSexual. No, I prefer not to.
3 UI problem #3: I didn't (and still don't, and probably won't for a very long time) have a touch screen on my test unit (an ASUS laptop; it came with a 750 GB drive, partitioned into two. I had Win 7 on one and Win 8 on the other.) or on any other desktop or laptop I ever own. MetroSexual is aimed at touch. Yes, it will work without touch. No, it won't work as well.
4 Startup problem #1: when I installed Win 8, it declined to admit that there was a Windows install on the other partition. I had to dig up the install disc (which I had 'cause I got Win 8 from DreamSpark, and that download was an ISO which I burned to a DVD) and run bootrec. And when that didn't work, I called Microsoft Support... and the bottom-tier CSA couldn't fix it either, though he tried hard and had me let him log into my system remotely. He escalated it to higher-higher, and they were able to get things working. Total time elapsed, including my time before I called MS: seven hours. I have _never_ had an OS install of _any_ OS whatsoever, dating back to my first experiences with desktop computers in the 1970s, which caused so much trouble. Yes, Win 8 would load... but for me to get Win 7 to load I had to play with the damn BIOS, until it got fixed and the nice boot manager I was expecting in the first place became available. Apparently my problem, though rare, was not the first of its kind that the senior MS CSA had seen. _This is a known bug._ It is also completely, utterly, totally, UNACCEPTABLE.
5 Startup problem #2: the first two times I went back to Win 7 after getting the boot manager to behave, it crashed on getting to the Windows splash screen. I was able to fix this with CHKDSK. _Something_ caused directory errors. Gee. I wonder what could have done that. Note that I had run CHKDSK _before_ installing Win 8 and there were no problems then.. Correlation ain't causation and all that, but it sure seems suspicious...
6 Usability problem #1: Win 8 insists on installing IE10. IE 10 breaks at least two web apps I use. IE 9, in Win 7, works fine. No, I don't know what breaks. I don't care. They're unusable in Win 8, and will stay unusable until someone (NOT me) either fixes 'em themselves or pays someone else to fix 'em. For various reasons I must use IE on that particular site. Indeed, that site and its requirement to use IE is a major reason why I have a Windows laptop in the first place, I'd be using a Mac instead otherwise.
7 Usability problem #2: certain older programs (in use since Win2K and the other major reasons why I have a Windows laptop) which worked just fine in Win 7 break on impact with Win 8.
There were other problems, but this is getting long. I tried to use it. I really did. It annoyed the hell out of me, and I nuked the partition and am very unlikely to ever reinstall Win 8. As Win 8.1 appears to be merely Win 8 SP1, I'll give that a miss as well.
Win 8 may well work beautifully for others. It stunk up the place around here.
Re: And folks it's happened
"We've finally found the one true anti-Eadon."
Re: My thoughts...
is mmeier the pro-Windows version of Eadon? Discuss.
Re: Windows 8 METRO SCREEN OF MEH
He's been boring for quite some time.
If I were in the CIA...
I'd plant something really, really, REALLY juicy on one ore more of the Ecuadorian embassy computers and wait to see if/when Julian the Ass gave into temptation and first snooped and then blabbed.
I quite fail to see how someone who arms both Israelis and Arabs can possibly be considered Zionist. Israel has F-15s; so does Saudia. Israel has F-16s; so does Egypt. Israel does _not_ have M-1 tanks (Abrams!) but the Saudis and the Egyptians do.
And, oh, your total inability to actually address the point is noted.
'Zionist establishment monopoly defense contracting business'? Really? Boeing are Zionists? Grumman are Zionists? Colt are Zionists? Bofors are Zionists? BAE are Zionists? Are you sure about this? Bofors in particular has a well-earned rep of selling to anyone who can pay; in 1939-45 they supplied, directly or by license, weapons to:
The British Empire and Commonwealth
The French Republic
The Third Reich
The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
The Empire of Japan
The Kingdom of Italy
The United States of America
The United States of Mexico
The United States of Brazil
The Republic of China
The Republic of the Philippines
and probably a few more that I can't recall. They also supplied both sides in the first three Arab-Israeli wars... I find it quite difficult to consider them to by 'Zionist'.
Way, way, WAY back in the 1970s I spent a lot of time in Jamaica. (Loooong story) At the time the government was run (if you stretch the meaning of the word far enough) by the People's National Party, the socialists, under the banner of 'scientific socialism'. (The Opposition were the Jamaica Labour Party. Yes, a right-wing labour party. Now where have we seen that lately?) The PNP was very, very, VERY friendly with Venezuela, and Mexico, and especially Cuba. Not so much with the US. (Or the UK, despite, or perhaps because of, the fact that Michael Manley, the then PM had spent 1944-5 flying fighters for the RAF and some of the other senior members of the Party, such as 'Cuddly' Dudley Thompson put in more time in uniform for the King; 'Cuddly' Dudley was a tail gunner on a Lanc, the second most dangerous job in the RAF.)
In any case, thanks in large part to the Party's 'principled socialist' stance, a lot of stuff was in short supply. I particularly recall that it was literally impossible to find regular toilet paper in local stores. There just wasn't any for sale at any price. Instead there was 'recycled' paper in very strange shades of blue, gray, and mauve (no, I'm not making this up) and which was noticeably stiff and scratchy and not particularly soft. At the time Air Jamaica (of blessed memory, now subsumed into some two-headed monster out of Trinidad) had five flights a day to Miami, and Certain Elements, being unpatriotic capitalist class enemies would take the first flight of the day and come back on last, having made a little trip to the nearest Publix or Winn Dixie to Miami Airport and loaded up on the toilet tissue. (I'm not making this up, either.) One of the reasons why the PNP lost (and I mean really seriously lost) the election of 1980 after winning big in 1976 (the current Prime Minister was first elected to office in 1976; she got 105% of the vote in her constituency, and I'm not making that up, either.) was because the voters had had quite enough of 'scientific socialism' and scratchy mauve toilet paper. (it certainly wasn't Eddie Seaga's winning personality which turned the tide, I'll tell you that. Eddie was somewhere to the right of Ronnie Raygun and could give John Minor lessons on how to be stiff and colourless. He did like computers, though; I spent a lot of time working in the Edward Phillip George Seaga National Computing Centre. Yes, that was its name.) it was amazing how fast the 'recycled' paper vanished once Eddie was PM. Well, except for a brand which sold orange and red (PNP colours) paper and which did quite well in certain areas, areas whose chosen colours were normally green and black. (wanna guess what party used those colours?)
<exit, stage right, to the tunes of "I Man Born Ya" and "Foreign Press". <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYGe0yltCAE> and <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAvnCWj_Qe8>>
Re: EVOLUTION of IT
"The dirty secret is; he runs on Windows 95!!!"
Eadon does NOT run on Win 95.
He runs on DOS 3. He's command line only, and runs on 16-bit hardware at a max clock rate of around 8 MHz. He even has an EGA graphics card, with 16 glorious colours, though he only needs black and white.
Tell 'em to keep him
He's all theirs. Forever and ever, world without end, amen. Whatever's being spent keeping a bobby outside the embassy is less than what would be spent on the trial and then locking him up... and he's just as locked away, and he did it to himself.
Only if his name is 'McAfee' and he's on the lam from Belize.
Oh, he never had good intentions. And cellcos (AT&T, I'm looking at _you_) may be greedier than he is, but even that's a stretch.
The last time that I pointed out that Julian the Ass's pirate ancestor was probably a lot more honest than Julian is, my post got moderated. I wonder if this one will survive?
In any case, I'll believe pretty much anyone before I'll believe Julian the Ass. Even (shudder) the Daily Mail, much less the Guardian. And normally I think that the Daily Mail is best employed at the bottom of parrot cages.
Re: @James O'Shea
Son, my backup system includes a handy checkbox labeled: "Shut down when done". I click the checkbox. I run the backup. When it's finished it shuts down the laptop. In the morning I turn the laptop back on and check to see if the backup ran properly. So far it always has.
As for the hard drive capacity... my Asus shipped with a 750 GB drive, split into two partitions (three if you include the recovery partition). One the the two partitions filled up really fast (I bought the Asus in September 2012 and by November I had nearly 300 GB in that partition) so I got a 1 TB drive (the biggest then available) and cloned the system over. I currently have over between the two partitions. No-one at the company has a laptop with less than a 750 GB drive, and the guys who have only 750 are usually at 80-90% full and _will_ be getting a 1 TB (or larger, if possible) drive. If my system continues to fill up I'll be looking at this 1.5 TB drive quite closely and may replace the 1 TB drive with one. As it is I've added an external 1 TB drive to my laptop kit and so I have effectively 2 TB of storage, or a quarter of what my main desktop system has...
There are _lots_ of people out in the real world who use quite large hard drives on laptops on a daily basis.
Re: Cost per Gigabyte? Yes.
Err... if they have proper AV they won't even notice when it's running. And I, for one, set my machine to back up overnight,so I don't _care_ if backing up slows it down.
As for the 'very few laptop users need anything like 1TB'... what planet re you on, mate?
Re: EFI BIOS
My Asus laptop _does_ have UEFI...
I was certain that Bonnie Tyler was long dead... and, from that pic, I was right.
My current laptop, an Asus A53, shipped with a 750 GB drive partitioned into two (three if you count the recovery partition). It shipped with Win 7. (I made very sure to get it _before_ Win 8 shipped.). I installed Win 8 on the other partition. I tried to use it for 10 days. I removed Win 8 by reformatting the partition. Win 8 was damn near unusable, on the same hardware, and NOT in a VM, while Win 7 Just Worked.
Win 8 is, in my opinion, the worst OS out of Microsoft since Win ME. And this comes from someone who had kind words, right here in El Reg's fora, about Vista. Vista and even ME had good points. Win 8 has no redeeming features whatsoever. Or at least none that I could find in 10 days of trying. It's a damn good thing that I got it for free (off Dreamspark) or I'd be Very Annoyed.
Re: Uber Nerd Eadon
"Seriously - have you even held hands with a girl?"
Does his mother count?
Re: I only know one person using windows 8
"And how many people do you suppose run both Windows and Mac OS or Linux or something occasionally?" Quite a few. including myself.
i don't do Win 8, though.
Re: This can't be Eadon
I said that it was _almost_ reasonable. And, for you, it was. One of your problems is that you're simply rabidly unreasonable on certain subjects, and your rants have long since become merely tiresome.
Re: What IS surprising...
Ah. back to normal. Did you have a fever or something earlier, Eadon?
This can't be Eadon
It's almost reasonable. There's no frothing and not much ranting. That's not Eadon! Someone has stolen his identity! Send out the search parties and find the real Eadon, and locate this impostor and deal with him properly!
Re: @"nations that are run by sexually repressed religious nut bags."
here's one... <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:President_of_iran_Abolhassan_Banisadr.jpg>
Errm... you don't need a casing. You really don't. Large artillery pieces don't have casings; they use bagged charges. (In)famously the American 152 mm gun-launcher fitted to the Sheridan and the A2 version of the Patton tank didn't use casings. <http://www.military-today.com/tanks/m551_sheridan.htm> (If you've read a few of David Drake's short stories, you might be familiar with the phrase "Have you ever seen a Sheridan burn?" Scariest story of his that I've ever read, mostly 'cause I've met guys just like the protagonist.)
No, if you make the chamber walls thick enough you don't need a casing. I can even see designs were you have a one-shot, throw-away, weapon containing one charge of black powder, some fuse wire, a battery, and a ceramic bullet. Oh. Wait. The US Government actually made weapons like that, back in WWII, and air-dropped them into the Philippines for use against the Japanese. No, they weren't plastic, then, they were wood and aluminium and fibreglass. Came pre-assembled with one .45 ACP round loaded.
Re: Re:But that would have been cruel and heartless.
'cruel and heartless' to the nephew, not the Dell, surely...
Pic of what I need after being annoyed by a Dell.
Re: As if a Mac user would run windows 24/7
Sigh. I can think of several Mac users who _do_ use Windows all the time. All of them are victims of a very, very, VERY good salesdroid at one local Best Buy, who convinced them that Macs are better machines than anything from Dell/HP/etc., and who got the 'tech' people at the store (anyone who's seen Geek Squad in action knows why I put in the quotes...) to run Boot Camp and install Windows for them or to install a VM (usually Parallels) and stick Windows on that and set the VM to autolaunch on startup. They literally never see OS X; on the Boot Camp machines Windows boots first and they have no idea how to get to OS X, on the VM machines Parallels is set to grab the whole screen.
So, our enterprising young salesdroid has done the following:
1 sold a flock of iMacs and Mac minis (desktop machines all, no hanging out at the cool kids table at Starbucks for these machines)
2 sold a flock of Windows licenses, full price
3 sold a lot of 'tech' time
I'm sure that he made Salesman of the Year.
I found out about this some time ago, when one of his victims called the company for help, and the guy we sent around found that this sweet little old (85 if she was a day) lady had a honking great 27" iMac running (shudder) Vista. And that's just plain Vista, too, no service packs installed... We pretty soon had other customers who were also victims of the same bright young thing.
Way, way, _way_ back, in Ye Dawne Of Time, several of my cousins (hey, we're Catholic, there's a whole bunch of us) and a few of our friends were seriously into model rocketry. Well, store-bought rocket motors cost too bloody much, so we made our own: solid fuel, mostly black powder. it took a while to work out the correct way to make milled powder (flour powder doesn't work nearly as well) but our success with that inspired us to greater heights: liquid-fueled rockets. Our first (and last) liquid-fueled rocket had a slight accident on the launch pad. It turned out that our fuel and oxidiser were a tad more hypergolic than we'd thought. After that we were grounded, literally, for six months.
In retrospect it's amazing that any of us lived past 14.
Explosion 'cause that's what happened to the liquid fueled rocket. See also http://www.foxtrot.com/2013/04/04282013/
This is a _good_ thing.
Re: I've just been peeling onions, dammit
That's not a tear.
Re: returning the downvote to you
And, oh, yeah, one more thing: there's a significant difference between not getting in your way if you want to install 3rd-party file systems on the OS and installing them at the source. Microsoft (and Apple, and Google) don't prevent you from adding stuff; if it breaks, well, that's your problem, not theirs. I can have my Windows systems have the ability to read/write Apple's HFS+, and indeed I do. Microsoft doesn't give a damn. Apple doesn't give a damn. I can have my Macs read/write NTFS; once again, neither Microsoft nor Apple cares. In both cases there are both commercial and FOSS utilities to allow this. In both cases the utilities in question are kept up to date, and still work just fine with Win7 and 10.8. (I refuse to go near Win8 so I have no idea as to what happens there, and I'm not on Apple's beta test team for 10.9 so I don't know what happens there, either. However, I suspect that the utilities will continue to work on both.) Meanwhile, it's nearly impossible to find some way to write to EXT4 from Windows and the read/write utilities on OS X are getting elderly.
And all the Tux-oriented downvotes in the world will not change this.EXT* file system support on Windows or OS X without installing a 3rd-party system... 'cause it bloody well can't be done. Downvote away.
Re: returning the downvote to you
I didn't downvote you.
And, as I've said repeatedly, USERS NEED TO INSTALL DRIVERS TO USE EXT* FILE SYSTEMS ON MACS OR WINDOWS SYSTEMS. The vast majority of users will not go to that much trouble.
As for all the Linux boxes out there... ho-rah. All 1-2% of the market. 95%+ can't read/write EXT* file systems without installing the proper drivers... and very few of those 95%+ will bother to do so unless given a compelling reason to do so.
Should you feel that Microsoft MUST install support by default, well, the courts are available for your use. Have at them. Me, I'll watch from the sidelines.
Re: @James O'Shea
Err... according to http://blog.applegrew.com/2011/12/access-ext3ext2-file-system-on-mac-osx-lion-10-7/ and http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-57457850-263/how-to-manage-ext2-ext3-disks-in-os-x/ among other places, EXT2 is _NOT_ available by default. And, worse, most EXT* implementations will read but not write EXT3 and EXT4. yes, you can get around this. No, normal users won't go to all that trouble.
There is most definitely a problem with EXT* support: It ain't installed by default, and users have to hunt down 3rd-party systems to do the install. MacFUSE is dead, OSXFUSE hasn't been updated since 2011. Sorry, man, but the current state of EXT* driver support on Mac and Windows is abysmal.
As for the monopoly argument... good luck with that one. Microsoft would, correctly, point out that they can't be expected to support non-existent products. There aren't any products out there which use EXT* file systems the way that existing products use FAT* file systems. Microsoft will also point out that they don't force anyone to install FAT* file systems, and, indeed, that they no longer use FAT* file systems on their own stuff; they've been trying to kill FAT* since at least WinXP, it just refuses to die 'cause it's convenient for _other_ people. No, the way to get FAT* to die is to get other vendors to install some other file system... except that this would involve including an installer for the other system with their product, which would increase the cost of that product, and also that installer probably would force users to restart their machines to be sure that the new file system was properly installed. This is likely to be unpopular.
Unless a sufficiently large number of vendors all chose the _same_ 3rd-party file system (and there ain't nothing which says that it'd be EXT* file systems, a bunch of vendors could easily club together and come up with their own file system and split costs between themselves) the big OS vendors (Microsoft and Apple, and, to a lesser extent, Google) simply not only don't have any reason to support non-FAT* file systems (other than their own native file systems, of course) they don't even know which non-FAT* file systems they should support. Why should they support any flavour of EXT* instead of RFS, for instance? And I'd say that it would be likely that any court would regard having to support _all_ the various file systems available for, say, Linux and BSD as being, well, an unreasonable expense. One of the reasons why many Tuxers like Linux is because there is vast choice available in just about any and every subsection of the OS, including the file systems. Choice is good... except when you have to support all possible choices.
Unfortunately, non-FAT* file system support will almost certainly be limited to a small number of 3rd-parties who provide support to the file systems they favor and that's it. OS vendors will probably merely stay out of the way of these projects, and let them sink or swim on their own. Right now the only EXT* supporter who seems to be swimming is Paragon, and they want cold hard cash for their system.
of course, if anyone knows of a way to enable EXT* file system support in Windows or OS X _without_ installing a 3rd-party system, feel free to point it out.
Re: I think that's why NEXUS have no sd card slot
"As for MACs and Windows PCs - open source drivers should be readily availabe, or at least not too difficult to implement."
The first problem is that FAT drivers are built into Windows and Mac O/Ses, so that any vendor would have to provide the EXT* drivers. Development costs would push up the prices of devices using non-FAT file systems.
The second problem is that FOSS EXT* driver development for Windows and Mac seems to have halted years ago. There were, for example, at least two different drivers for MacFUSE. Not only are those drivers dead (or at least I can't find signs of life, I'd love it if someone could show that I'm wrong on this) but it seems that MacFUSE itself ain't with us no more either. The MacFUSE page (http://code.google.com/p/macfuse/) doesn't seem to have been updated since 2007 except to note that MacFUSE is not compatible with Lion, OS X 10.7. Apple currently is pushing 10.8, and 10.9 is, allegedly, on its way out some time later this year.
It would be nice to have _some_ alternative to Paragon, but there doesn't seem to be anyone making the effort. And until that happens, vendors will NOT be shipping devices with EXT* file systems.
Re: I think that's why NEXUS have no sd card slot
"If I need my phone to use a FAT file system to operate with my Windows PC, then didn't I buy a license to use FAT when I bought my copy of Windows 7?"
You have a license to use FAT _on the system you installed Win7 on_. You don't have a license to use it anywhere else, such as on your phone, unless you somehow managed to install Win7 on your phone. And even then you'd need a separate license for each additional device (SD card, flash drive, etc) which you want to use FAT on.
Re: I think that's why NEXUS have no sd card slot
"Everyone should just move to EXT3/4 or something"... Well, NOT EXT4, 'cause it has, errm, 'limited' compatibility with Windows and Mac OS X. Why is this important? Many people want their phones to be able to connect to their computers... and the vast majority of desktop and laptop computers run Windows or OS X. I am willing to be corrected on this, but so far as I know the _only_ way to read/write EXT4 from a Mac is to buy a commercial product, from, I think, Paragon. And, that's better than Windows, as there appear to be ways to _read_ EXT4 from Windows, but not to _write_ it. If i'm incorrect in this, please point me to where I can get the required software, I would _greatly_ appreciate it.
EXT3 has its own compatibility problems, but those could probably be overcome. I know that Paragon (again!) has a commercial driver set which will allow Macs to read/write EXT2/3/4 but I can't seem to locate any open source driver sets which have been in development past around 2005/6 and which are therefore written for PPC, not Intel, systems, and which will therefore not work on current Macs. Perhaps someone who is deeper into the FOSS culture could enlighten me on the current state of FOSS Mac or Windows EXT2/3/4 driver sets?
The reason vendors use FAT file systems on a large number of different devices (flash drives, cameras, memory cards, etc) is that most O/Ses out there will read/write FAT file systems out of the box. No need to install new drivers. No need to use special apps to connect. Just plug the silly things in and go. Vendors will move to EXT* when they can reliably make money selling devices using EXT* file systems to the general public. You know, the people who don't know and don't care what file system their device uses, so long as when they plug it in, it bloody works.
Re: Build a better mouse trap...with cheese.
I like hyenas. They're cute. And much better behaved than politicians.
"are they going to be updated?"
Don't hold your breath. See, for example, this story http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/12/opinion/leon-ice-raid/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7 and note how many mentions there are of cops using bad, and known to be bad, data,,, and no warrants. And then there's this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston_shooting. I can't _wait_ to see what the NYPD does with its Droids.
(memo to self: don't visit New York for a while.)
Re: sounds absurd
Store A sells 100 BB. Store B sells 100 BBs. 110 people (40 who bought phones in Store A, 70 who bought phones in Store B) return their phones to Store B 'cause Store B happens to be on the way to somewhere else and the people who bought from Store A can't be bothered to drive all the way back to Store A. Store B has had 110 phones returned, having sold only 100.
Alternatively, some people bought BBs because they'd previously had one, and liked the brand, but were so disappointed that they not only returned the new one, they got rid of the old one while they were at it.
Ah... where _is_ my coat...
err... if they're doing so well, why are they closing the Shanghai store? Just askin'.
Re: It must be us old fogeys with no perception of speed or distance
"Do people really assume that automotive engineers are psychopaths intent on killing as many road users as possible or what?"
I've seen Smart Cars on the highway. I used to drive a Lada. I've seen the results of Mitsubishi Evo vs almost anything else with four wheels and Honda Life (a.k.a the four-wheeled motorcycle, or just Honda Death) vs anything on the road down to and including a motorcycle. I _know_ that some (many?) automotive engineers (especially German, Italian, and Japanese ones) are psychopaths intent on killing as many road users as possible.
if the boys from Customs are checking on you on your way _out_, you're in trouble. US Customs doesn't usually check people when they're leaving... unless there's a reason to do so. If Customs is looking at you on your way out, you're not getting on that plane. If Customs _and_ the FBI are looking at you on your way out, you need a lawyer. Quickly.
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