* Posts by Voland's right hand

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BENDY iPhone 6, you say? Pah, warp claims are bent out of shape: Consumer Reports

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Re: Headline should read "Note 3 Twice as Strong as iPhone 6"

Quote: "Open invitation to Fandroids"...

I suspect all of you, consumer reports and the people who are reporting bending it are right.

Consumer reports (and your less scientific test) can be summarized as "you are holding it wrong". It clearly does not bend if:

1. You apply force in the middle

2. If you apply force evenly

3. If you apply force at a right angle to the phone

This does not mean that it does not have a specific structural weekness which allows it to bend if you twist it, apply force to a corner, etc.

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Japanese volcano eruption reportedly leaves 31 people presumed dead

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Indeed

It has been a while since I have re-read Sakyo Komatsu, "The Death of a Dragon"...

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Be your own Big Brother: Keeping an eye on Mum and Dad

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Tried that

I have had some basic sensors at my mom's house for 4 (or 5) years - bluetooth scan to see if her phone is around and on (she refuses to use a "smart" phone wants a simple clamshell), CCTV, etc.

The problem is that there is a very high rate of false positives and bitrot. If you do not tend to it regularly you will find another glazed china mouse collecting dust right in front of the motion sensor or the cctv camera exactly when you need them to work.

In any case, the setup misses the most reliable indicator that your fav pensioner is all right. Tracking that is trivial. All you need is LIRC with the correct files for her remote controls. If a 70 years old has not touched the TV for more than 3 hours, that usually means trouble.

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Turn OFF your phone or WE'LL ALL DI... live? Europe OKs mobes, tabs non-stop on flights

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There is also timing advance to consider

Not just that - GSM has a top speed at which an object can move towards or from tower. While 3G does not have the equivalent of the timing advance it cannot alter the power fast enough. LTE in theory can, but you have to do some interesting stuff which the a regular phone is incapable of (not all of US plane broadband is satellite, some is LTE with specialized receivers now).

So with the exemption of a short period after takeoff and before landing (when the airlines are likely to prohibit calls anyway) you cannot use the phone anyway. So anyone yapping on the phone will be yapping via the onboard femtocell and will be paying "ferry" roaming fees for that in the 1-3Eu per minute range.

It has taken 10 years and lots of lobbying to get there (first test of ip.access 2G BTS on a plane was circa 2003). In fact we finally got there only because the 1Eu per minute has become a great temptation for operators. It is lots of money when you compare it to the backdrop of mandated roaming tariffs.

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Bad boy builds beastly Bash bug botnet, boxen battered

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Even perl has some resemblance of CGI security

Even perl has a resemblance of the applicable security features you need for CGI. In fact, it is probably better on that front than PHP.

Bash has none. It does not belong in a CGI end of story. Any idiot sticking bash in a CGI is frankly asking for it and they are most likely exploitable via 20 other different ways besides Shell Shock.

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Let it go, Steve: Ballmer bans iPads from his LA Clippers b-ball team

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Interesting

So... How does a Blue Basket of Death look like... Oh.. sorry... probably like a slam dunk with a chair...

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Hackers thrash Bash Shellshock bug: World races to cover hole

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Re: Eyes on the code? Not.

Eyes are on code, but elsewhere.

Shell of any form is executed as standard by various Unix processes only if you invoke system(). That is the first think to check for during audits and it has been audited out and replaced by various safe pipe and fork+exec tachinques in 99.9% of the software.

Further to this, bash has been identified as too complex to audit properly by the debian project (and from there by Ubuntu) long ago and it was one of the decisions on why it is not the default root shell and is strictly prohibited for use in any shell scripts which are part of the core system. In addition to that everyone and their dog cleanses environment like there is no tomorrow because of previous bugs dynamic loaders, locale, etc.

So frankly, this is blown out of proportion. Sure, some CGIs written by an idiot without a clue somewhere will be vulnerable. However if they are vulnerable to this, they will be vulnerable to a gazillion of other things.

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Are you a fat boy? Get to university NOW, you PENNILESS SLACKER

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Re: The curse of a slow metabolism and a fast pie-arm

@CADMonkey.

4 packets of grapes (cheap ones), 4 packets of oranges (cheap ones), 12 cucumbers, 6 packets of tomatoes (cheap ones are unedible in the UK), 4 melons, a box or two of cheap strawberries, and other fruit and veg. That is 70+ quid using the cheapest ones. Two brats that do not eat chocolate and two adults which end up eating the same stuff as that's what is in the house will go through that in 3-4 days. Add to that meat (not the expensive one either, definitely not prime cut beef) and you are looking at 160+ 2 times a week.

People seriously have no idea what an expense is a healthy kid which eats fruit and does not eat chocolate, candy and junk. They should try feeding one for a month.

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Re: Flaw in the argument

Pizza is expensive my a***.

Try having two healthy, no-fat-anywhere - only muscle, borderline hyperactive kids which are not interested in chocolate, live on fruit, vegetables and steak and do 3-4 sports each (f.e. my older one does basketball, fencing and waterpolo). If you live in the UK or norhtern Europe, you will cringe every time you pay the bill at the shopping till in a supermarket. You will also want to take Jamie (the celebrity healthy eating cook) and bash his head into the table every time you see him or every time you see your credit card bill.

There is a vicious feedback look here at work:

1. Junk food is relatively cheap per amount of calories it provides. A healthy shopping bill is 4-6 times higher than junk food (at least in the UK).

2. Obesity goes hand to hand with stress and depression. You do not expect depressed people to climb up the ladder and try to get a better salary. They are usually too depressed for that.

3. As you go more depressed and do the KungFu Panda routine of "I eat when I am upset", you go more obese, get less money and so on. More junk food, more depression, less money, more junk food.

So unless you can find someone to inspire you and do a "Panda you can eat now, haver a dumpling", you are only going to continue down the slippery slope.

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Man's future in space ... Barack Obama: Mars. Narendra Modi: Mars. Vladimir Putin: Er, Moon

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Moon is a harsh mistress

Quote:Quite why Russia has its sights set on the Moon,

1. It is a perfect place for a slingshot. Throwing bloody big rocks too. So what was that about the sanctions once again.

2. If they are not there, the Chinese will be - read their Moon and near space exploration plan.

3. Going to mars still looks like a one-way ticket whose benefits are solely scientific. Compared to that a moon base may have some ROI.

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Good grief! Have you SEEN BlackBerry's SQUARE smartphone?

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Re: want one

+1.

If this shows up in the UK for Xmas the daughter may get my old Xperia Arc as a hand me down and I may switch to this.

If Sygic, Kindle and a few other Android apps I use run on it, they will definitely have me as a customer. It has the perfect size screen for a SatNav too (no, I am not out of my mind - my phone holder is mounted on my A-pillar which as in most modern car is thick enough to accommodate a 7 in tablet without obstructing the driver's view any more than it already is).

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Le whoops! Microsoft France boss blows lid off 'Windows 9' event

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@ MyffyW

Athlon XP runs Wheezy just fine as long as you do not try to enable PAE and its dear friedn the 3_LEVEL_PAGETABLES. You need to either rebuild the kernel or use the "486" image even if this means that you will sacrifice some RAM in the process. Rebuilding is better as you can come up with a set of options which allow you to use that amount of RAM without sacrificing 99% of the performance.

Otherwise the GP is right - Windows 8 for the first time in 2 decades requires less resources, not more. This is one of the reasons why the channel hated it as it did not actually force an upgrade cycle.

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Bracelet could protect user herds from lurking PREDATORS

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Re: Handcuffs?

This is for jobs which require continuous proximity authentication. If you are in one of those, then handcufs on your wrists while doing your work will not be out of the ordinary (same as retina authentication to a device which has a gun connected to it to blow your brains out if it fails).

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Range Rover to fit trendy new SUV with FRIKKIN' LASER HUDs

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Re: Call me sceptical

Yeah, the sign recognition is a german gimmick - used to be a popular option on the higher end Mercs. There it makes sense as there is no speed limit unless stated. UK - not so much.

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Re: Call me sceptical

And who needs a reminder of what gear they are in?

Standard nag nowdays I am afraid. You are driving in 4th while I think you should be driving in 5th to be greener.

For some cars it is a necessity by the way. I drove a VW Polo Blue Slumber (anyone calling it motion is out of his mind) two weeks ago and it was equally gutless and incapable of accelerating in any gear from 3rd to 5th. The engine sound was pretty much the same too. So funnily enough I found the nag useful (at times).

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Samsung abandons Chromebooks, laptops, PCs in Europe

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Re: Where to buy?

Recurring story. Their channel management sucks rocks sidewize through a thin straw.

Every time I have looked at buying something Samsung that is not a phone, finding someone who stocks it has been rather difficult.

Software - I seriously tried to buy OpenMail for a company a while back after they tooked over it from HP (and before they made a dogs breakfast of it).

Components - SSDs are stocked only by a handful of suppliers, hard disks when they made them were also available only from people I'd rather not shop at (Dabs).

Laptops and PCs - with the exemption of Chromebooks Samsung lappies in UK were almost impossible to buy.

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Surprise: if you work from home you need the Internet

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Washing ton Post

Quote: “cities with gigabit connections reported 1.1 per cent higher per-capita GDP than their slower counterparts”.

Cause, meet effect, effect meet cause, allow me to introduce you to each other.

The more likely explanation is that nobody will put the investment into a GPON service into a neighborhood with a low GDP in the first place.

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Man buys iPHONE 6 and DROPS IT to SMASH on PURPOSE

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Re: Apple & Milk

Liquid metal will not help you as far as the overall design direction is concerned. You can thank sir Johny for that.

Apple has been expanding the screen to the very edge and there is absolutely no space left to crumple or deform if the phone is dropped and hits on-edge. In addition to that, the wonderful metal "ring" around the phone edge as in all iPhones from 4 onwards immediately transfers all the shock from the impact onto the glass. As a result an impact on-edge after falling from 1m onto concrete without a case is nearly guaranteed to shatter the glass. So are most recent phones due to the "fashion" to make them all glass. Compared to that a more "classic" phone which has space for buttons on the bottom and a plastic section on top for the camera, etc is considerably more shock resistant.

Things are only going to get worse from here - judging by the latest patent filings they intend to wrap the screen around the edges. That has "guaranteed fracture" written all over it with or without sapphire.

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In any case, my old Xperia has survived plenty of similar drops

Frankly, I am not impressed. My obsolete (by today's hardware standards) Arc has survived 10s of drops like that including quite a few without a case. Its screen is still intact 3 years after I bought it despite all the drops. Compared to this it will pass for "bombproof".

Otherwise I agree with you, while the phones are advertised as beatiful svelte objects of desire, by the time they are in our pocket they have grown chubby, rounded and look nothing like the ads.

It is the reality - unless you get the JCB phone, you either have to get a case or your new gadget will be broken by the end of the week.

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Oracle's Larry Ellison quits as CEO – new bosses are Hurd'n'Catz

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Re: Sympathies to Oracle

Engineering will still report to Larry.

So, the death by a thousand Hurds of any R&D in Oracle is postponed for the duration.

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SHINY NEW GADGETS! No, we're not joking, here's a load of them

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Re: Just wondering

Assuming the same tech you can find in any chemistry lab the answer is:

1. Yes it can stir porridge.

2. In theory, you can measure the current required to rotate (or switch magnetic field orientation) on the anchor under the plate. It can be used as a proxy for viscosity so you can indeed sound an alarm that the porridge needs more water (if the stirrer has stopped moving or needs a lot of energy to move).

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40y old lab mixing comes to the kitchen

Magnetic stirrers have been a cornerstone of any chemical or biological lab for the last 40 years (if not more). They are as old as I remember and the sole thing preventing their use in most kitchens is that the pans are made of steel.

Any aluminium or glass pan can be happily stirred this way so excuse me while I yawn and remember my university days...

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Does this float your boat? Dead Steve Jobs to hijack yachts from BEYOND THE GRAVE

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Just grab any Sci Fi video from last 20 years (Stargate Atlantis comes to mind) and there will be at least one guy controlling a boat (OK, granted a space one) with a tablet.

Granting a patent to this one is frankly... nuts... Which cave did the examiner live in?

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Citadel Trojan phishes its way into petrochem firm's webmail

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Pinch of salt

Considering who issues the report I will take it with a pinch of salt :)

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Every billionaire needs a PANZER TANK, right? STOP THERE, Paul Allen

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Re: Picking the nit...

The T34 and T34/85 numbers include the numbers for the post-war production runs, license runs to other countries (North Korea, Warsaw pact), etc all the way until production was terminated ~ 1953.

While the Soviet army had a core of IS2s by end of war and some IS3s produced thereafter, etc there was an enormous pile of T34s and T34/85s produced for the role of cannon fodder in a semi-conventional WW3. That number skews the stats quite a bit.

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Hackers-for-hire raided 300 banks, corporates for TWELVE YEARS

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Welcome to the UK

I get on average (after passing a fairly comprehensive antispam filter set) 1-2 emails a day that look like they originate from a fully legitimate UK company. They are extremely well done. No grammar errors, professionally drafted letters, content looks 100% legit. The only give-away is uninteligible one-off domain name under co.uk.

I have not noticed any spears in them - they so far do not have attachment and I never visit any of the links advertised, but I would not be surprised if some of them are spearfish too.

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In a spin: Samsung accuses LG exec of washing machine SABOTAGE

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and that other German brand who's name escapes me

Probably Bosch. I have had quite a bit of fun disassembling the hinges on a Bosch dishwasher half a year ago (it is necessary if you need to replace the door gasket). The washing machine hinges by Bosh (who also OEMs for Siemens) are even more bomb-proof. I am not surprised that you can tow the dishwasher using those.

So frankly, if Samsung's hinges could be damaged by an exec (unless that exec was capable of saying "I'll be back" with an Austrian accent), they are utter crap. No thanks, that is never entering my house.

Going back to a proper washing machine (Bosh). Bosh washing machines are practically indestructible as long as you change the brushes in time. It takes ~ 5 years of hard use to wear down the original ones to the point where they damage the motor. Most third party replacements last 3 years or thereabouts. By the way - the machine will indicate that the brushes are so worn down that they are shorting (error code 24 if memory serves me right).

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Read The Gods of War for every tired cliche you never wanted to see in a sci fi book

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Re: Ian M

Do not understand me wrong - I am a great Ian M Banks fan. However, in most of his books the war is a backdrop for the actual character development. It rarely takes the front stage.

The Uplift series and specifically StarTide Rising... that is probably the best description of Space war on the grandest scale. I cannot think of anything that gets anywhere near that.

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Gaming supremo creates maps that turn real world into Sim City

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It will be the first thing for me to turn off on my GPS

The last thing you want on a navigation map is irrelevant or distracting detail. Key landmarks you can use for navigation are fine, making 90% of what you see irrelevant to the task at hand (get from point A to point B) is a disaster in the making.

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Slough isn't fit for humans now, says Amazon. We're going to Shoreditch

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Sorry... BS...

Quote: "Indeed, but the market for potential employees will be a lot smaller in that case"

Sorry, I call BS.

There are plenty of places outside London which have larger local population than what you can hire if you are based in Central London or one of London satellite towns (once you take into account the fact that you have to jack up salaries so people can commute). MK (which grew on the back of Unisys UK operation so if you sneeze you end up sneezing on someone who can do enterprise buses and COBOL), Cambridge (anything you want - you can find someone to do it - virtualization, mobile, telecoms, etc), Guildford (mobile, embedded, etc). If you go further away from London there are significant local IT populations in a few other places too. Slough is in that category too, but for a different reason - it is in a good location to hoover up anything and everything spare as resource in the M4 corridor. Most people who work there would rather work in Newbury, Reading or somewhere else, but as they say in some countries: "When there ain't any fish, the crayfish is a fish".

So if you base your business there, you can get _MORE_ qualified candidates than you will get if you base it in Shoreditch because you get all people who are willing to commute + significant local population. The sole reason for Shoreditch are tax breaks and subsidies related to inner town redevelopment, so whatever Amazon "creates" as job tax income, we probably (as the taxpayers) have to hand back as various tax break backhanders.

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Italy's High Court orders HP to refund punter for putting Windows on PC

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Re: If

I bought the car and I did not like the air freshner because I am allergic to the crappy brand used by the vendor is a better analogy.

Car engine is something which takes a considerble effort (a man day or so usually) to replace. It takes no effort to replace an OS (unless you have deliberately sabotage the process which MSFT has been known to do).

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Ferraris, Zondas and ... er, a bike with a 500hp V10 under the saddle

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Re: fugly

They're not all ugly.

Indeed. Along with an old Porche and a "Phantomas" issue Citroen (forgot the exact model - first on the right). All are lovely cars and a demonstration of how what used to be art degenerated over the years. Not surprising - they were built in the days when the overall design was done by engineers not artists sticking a shell on a piece of engineering. As a result you got either utilitarian hideously fugly wagons (with some bells and whistles added as an afterthought) or true pieces of engineering as art (like the original Porche or the E-series).

The hideous ones are all long scrapped and recycled. The really beautiful "hits" of this approach look better than anything coming off the factory line today.

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Lenovorola TRIPLE-ola: New Moto G, Moto X and 360 wristputer UNZIPPED

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Back to obscurity

The googly Motos had a single selling point for me - you could maintain them for ages after that with Cyanogen (besides their own software updates).

Cyanogen is hit and miss (9 was excellent 10-10.1 so so, 10.2 unmitigated disaster, 11 excellent again). However, when it hits - f.e. with 11 (4.4 kitkat) on my Sony Xperia Arc, it provides your phone with years of life after the manufacturer has stopped supporting it.

This was the norm with Googly Moto - they are all on Cyanogen. The norm with Lenovo is the opposite - no support. So the moment they switch to the next model you can kiss your updated goodbye and congratulate yourself with another paperweight.

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Nvidia blasts sueballs at Qualcomm, Samsung – wants Galaxy kit banned

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How quaint...

Qualcom which is the ultimate example of a "house of lawyers" with a small engineering detachment is being nailed on IPR. How quaint...

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Re: Whither Apple?

Why was Samsung singled out?

Samsung makes Exynos and the Mali GPU. So its excuse "that is a suppliers'" problem was beyond disingenious. They are definitely not "using the chips like everyone else".

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Work in the tech industry? The Ukraine WAR is coming to YOU

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Re: Morals, ethics, principles...

You are mostly correct, just do not see why you are singling out Putin here. As in most civil war conflicts there is no right here - all are on the wrong side.

If you think that some of the characters on the Ukrainian side are any different, I suggest you revisit your statement when the conflict ends and they turn their newly acquired weapons and training onto the local minorities. After all not all of Odessa has emigrated to New York and Tel Aviv. There is some left for them to practice on and remember my word - practice they will. Same as they did in WW2.

Pogrom is a favourite past-time around that part of the world (in fact that is where the word comes from in the first place).

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VIA looks to be counting down to launch of Atom competitor

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Not any more. They fixed the performance around the time of going 64 bit

I have a VIA Eden X2 U4200 @ 1.0+ GHz (Dual Core 64 bit) courtesy of an HP thin client which has been modd-ed to install Debian on it.

It was originally bought for comleteness (so I can test some virtualization software on Intel, AMD and Via). It passed tests with reasonable results - more or less the performance expected from a dual core laptop 64 bit CPU at 1GHz. It has been relegated as a desktop for my daughter ever since and is doing that duty without any problem including running most of the kids flash games, iplayer, etc. It is always running a media center auto-logged in as an alternative user and that one is working fine too. I have not tried it for true HD, upscaling of DVD res to 1080p is without trouble.

It is not a spead daemon, but it is not slow by any means. In fact it is somewhere around the middle of the pack. It is faster than older E series APUs, faster than older Atom, not as fast as recent A series laptop/thin client APUs.

So I would not be so dismissive - with all the cloud going back to micro-server land (as exemplified by the recent NEC announcement) they will have their niche.

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Hot Celebrity? Stash of SELFIES where you're wearing sweet FA? Get 2FA. Now

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Client certificates

Out of all cloud providers Apple is in the only one in the unique position where it can easily deploy client side x509 (or at the very least client side keys). All devices are known, all software is controlled, it is a closed ecosystem - adding client side strong crypto into the authentication is a piece of cake.

From there on it becomes a matter of simple ACL management based on certs - do you allow Apple ID XXXX-ZZZZ known as AAAA belonging to YYYY access to your account (Yes, No, Think Different).

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Apple, FBI: YES we're, er, looking into the NAKED CELEBRITY PICS. Aren't you?

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Re: Apple does not limit the number of password entry attempts users could can make

@Destroy All Monsters

Indeed, it will be a welcome distraction helping the media to continue keeping our attention from the fact that a lot of the "Little Green Men" on one east side of the Ukrainian conflict are speaking Serbian and their equivalent "Little Green Men" on the west side of the conflict are speaking Croatian and they are replaying the same conflict for the 3rd time in the last century. Score so far is 1:1, popcorn to observe the outcome of the third one. Disclaimer - I have seen some of them myself this summer taking a short stop in one of the few remaining Eu cities that still has flights to Ростов на Дону.

It has been extremely entertaining watching the Western mainstream media go to extreme length on ensuring that this "entertaining" detail is not aired in any "news". In fact they have been better at that than previously (during the Kosovo war the video footage often contained the Chechen, Syrian and Lybian "volunteers"). After all, if you air it will become clear what will be next (NATO bombing) and how long it will last (15 years and counting).

It is lovely when we have a "disaster" like that - it helps keep the attention of the sheeple from what is really happening out there. Bring it on, let's have more celebutard leaks.

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Re: If you don't want any naked pix

Just do not upload them. Yes, I know - a bit difficult with an iThing which will sync everything to the Apple cloud regardless of do you want it or not. Maybe the Chinese got a point there on the security aspects.

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Facebook, Google and Instagram 'worse than drugs' says Miley Cyrus

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Re: Well?

Indeed - try job searching without a social profile. You are not going to get far.

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Neah...

It is "behave so badly that you are let out of the Hannah Montana contract" disorder. Successfully executed too.

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Volcanic eruption in Iceland triggers CODE RED aviation warning

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Re: Bring it on

If I have to chose between First or god forbid National Express versus EasyJet I would probably choose the latter.

So while a great idea in principle, you will have to re-regulate the railways first (as in most places where they have working rail on the continent) and then do this.

After that you will have to ensure that the truckers and other vested interest parties do not give the government yeat another set of "election donations", sorry backhanders to ensure that the government does not do something useful with taxpayers money. Example - the cost of the ultra-expensive useless toy trainset known as High Speed 2 in the UK (and the slightly more useful CrossRail) exceeds by an order of magnitude the cost of going along all main routes into London and raising the height and width of all bridges and tunnels. Why do that? Two reasons. The less important one - Eu commuter rail is all 2 floor, this will allow the train carriages to stop being "special order" and the cost will drop per supply and demand. Additionally the capacity will increase by 1.7 times overnight. The more important one is that UK goods rail is limited to "special" carriages and _CANNOT_ carry standard issue containers. They all have to go by road feeding truckers associations (which in turn provide handy backhanders) and producing pollution (which in turn is a massive backhander again in the form of pertrol excise duty).

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If you think 3D printing is just firing blanks, just you wait

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Actually... for once... I disagree

Kitchen printing is one useful application for a domestic 3D printer. For once.

There is no requirement for robustness, as long as it hold together until it is moved to the dining table it is OK and at the end of the day it will be eaten anyway. That is a much better scope/niche for 3D printiing compared to people trying to do DIY and print spare parts. Printed replacement for a gear sprocket? Printed replacement for a gear level? Printed replacement for a valve? No thanks. Rather not.

Printed "To the best mum" on a cake for mum's birthday? Why not if you have the money to waste, end of the day it costs less than a full set of celebrity cook endorsed kitchen tools.

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Alienware injects EVEN MORE ALIEN into redesigned Area-51 gaming PC

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Re: phew

Once you have access to Dell's supply chain and production faicilities, the cost of putting a plastic alien and making a whole plastic alien chassis is not that different. From there onwards the stuff which goes in is not that different. Stock MB, an upgraded CPU cooler to cope with an extreme edition CPU, stock (just bigger) power supply and an upgraded (but rather standard) set of cards.

I d not see anything revolutionary here. An embedded on-Ethernet NIC firewall with some accel functions would have been nice. Appropriate keyboard, mice, joysticks would have been nice too. Oops... These actually require development. Verrrrrrrrrrry dirty word for a "Buy-N-Large" shop.

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China building SUPERSONIC SUBMARINE that travels in a BUBBLE

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Re: I don't get it

Simple reason: Gatling guns, close-up interceptor defences, etc. It is a constant arms race. Presently, it looks like supersonic, sea skimming missiles like P700 and Sunburn have a slight advantage. That is probably short lived as anti-missile defences will be upgraded to deal with these. In any case - the situation there is a close call.

Compared to these a sufficiently _MANEUVERABLE_ long range (20 miles+) supercavitating torpedo is nearly impossible to intercept. You simply cannot build an interceptor which will pull the required Gs and speed under water to get itself into position to deal with it. So your only option is to saturate its entire approach sector with depth charges across the whole range of depths and pray. You also have to do it sufficiently far out just in case someone has put a 0.5Mt warhead on that bugger. That option by is presently unavailable - there is no fleet defence ship or aircraft capable of launching the required salvo size to the required distance (you are looking at something like the BM21 or similar missile launchers (20km+ range) with proximity/depth charge warheads using some guidance/at-depth loitering and most likely multiple of those per carrier group.

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Re: Because thats what sea life wants!

Sealife? I did not know that USA carrier groups counted as sealife.

Though with DF21 from above, this from below and a couple of imported Sunburns launched from cloned (or imported) Su-34s they will definitely be entering the endangered species book (at least as far as the Taiwanese straights and the Yellow sea is concerned).

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Experimental hypersonic SUPERMISSILE destroyed 4 SECONDS after US launched it

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Re: Re "which could potentially bypass missile defences"

On a more serious note, I'd say it could potentially bypass today's missile defences.

Today - yes, yesterdays' - no. I love the smell of hypervelocity missiles encountering a baloon barrage early in the morning. It smells... it smells... like burning money...

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