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So, Linus Torvalds: Did US spooks demand a backdoor in Linux? 'Yes'

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If memory serves me right Fins and Bulgarians are the only people wave their head horizontally when saying yes. So that is the harmless explanation. The not so harmless... Well... Linus is renowned for his body language ya know...

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Everyone's waving their 5-inchers: BlackBerry outs new supersized Z30

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There is a better indicator that 5 inchers have come of age

My wife bought me a new pair of jeans off La Redoute last week. The IT angle - the rear pockets on them are now designed to accommodate anything up to a 6 inch phablet. So are most autumn models by other retailers coming out.

IMHO that means that we are now _EXPECTED_ to carry a 4+ inch blower around - clothes are being designed for that. Anything smaller (f.e. your wallet or anold nokia 3xxx ) will slip half the way down your thigh past your bottom and be right pain in the a*** (literally) to carry.

So the fact that BB is shipping one should not come as a surprise to anyone.

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Apple beckons fanbois back into its golden era... of, er, 2010

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Re: Apple support versus an Android

Nexus is not the only one which is updated. However with the other manufacturers you usually have to go to a CM build.

For example, all of my household Xperias once they are past manufacturer updates go onto CM. That means CM-10 at least (4.0), going up to 4.2 for most of them even things as ancient as Xperia Mini Pro (1.6-era phone with a physical slider kbd).

What you really need to do when considering Android is to check if the bootloader is locked and unlockable. If it is locked and the manufacturer does not unlock it turn around and leave. That's all it takes to keep up to date with Android :)

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Bill Gates again world's richest, tops in US for 20th straight year

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Re: It's time

Recession is quite clearly non-event too.

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In MASSIVE surprise, world+dog discovers Nokia checked out Android

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Re: Thank god!

It will run the spyware abomination known as WIndows Mobile.

Not that much difference actually - they are aiming for the same business model. MIcrosoft is simply being less successful in their execution.

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Apple’s iOS 64-bit iUpgrade: Don't expect a 2x performance leap

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Re: So why bother with a 64-bit chip at all?

I have no opinion on Arm. In Intel/AMD land rebuilding for 64 bits gives you 3-7% speed-up for day-to-day network applications. That is not insignificant.

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Re: iOS-based laptops?

Not necessarily.

Now Arm based MacBook air using A7 with OSX rebuilt for Arm... That's a thought... In fact this is my first thought when reading the announcement. Apple is setting up the stage for that.

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Corel re-animates zombie brand for patent case

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Re: See?

That is Corel, not Novel. Different zombie trying to "leverage" its "glory days".

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Intel reveals new Haswell-based Chrome OS kit from old, new partners

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Re: how does battery life compare to windows?

My Samsung based Exynos when running Debian lives to its promise - it delivers ~ 7-8h as a browsing typewriter on wifi. I have not tried 3G. I would expect that to be marginally better.

In any case - a chromebook in developer mode with Debian or Ubuntu installed is presently the best value for the money as far as low end notebooks are concerned. You get a 1360x768 (or better) screen and 7-8h of battery life for ~ 220£. My only concern is the Atom. I have been burned by bad graphics and CPU performance on Intel crippleware more than once. So I'd rather stick with the arm variety for now despite it having a number of minor hardware support niggles.

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Torvalds suggests poison and sabotage for ARM SoC designers

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Re: He's right.

Seconded.

After trying to debug why my arm Exynos notebook wakes up immediately after going to sleep last week I am going wholeheartedly agree with Linus on this one. Every SoC is different, in order to do something as basic as going to sleep the kernel has to write a block of magic numbers into registers the size of average firmware. Basic functions like mmc, usb, ethernet are one-offs imlemented slightly differently by each SoC designer. One architecture my a***

The worst bit - it will only get worse from there on. Arm is there. MIPS has been there for ages (we all know how entertaining development of openwrt and friends gets because of that). Power recently joined the club and Intel joined yesterday by announcing Quark. In a couple of years time everything will be a f*** SoC and every second one of them will have at least one feature added by a person which fits Linuses description.

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Microsoft says axed certificates were FAILING its software biz

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Let me see if I understand this

So a software company is not capable of grading an exam for a certification using software and has to do it pen and paper? That actually says everything that there is to be said about Microsoft and software methinks.

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Headmaster calls cops, tries to dash pupil's uni dreams - over a BLOG

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Well, the student has adolescence as an excuse

I really do not see what is the headmaster's excuse. Pink Floyd reenactment perhaps?

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Give us a break: Next Android version to be called 'KitKat'

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Re: How long til the "deep fried mars bar" build?

It is silicon valley we are talking about here, not Glasgow.

More interesting question - how long until the Candyman starts to hand out candy not just out of the boxes on the counter, but from the rolls on the wall. Oh... sorry... he already does... And the world tastes good...

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Intel readies server-grade Atom for microserver ARM wrestling

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Re: Yeah But...

1. ECC memory is not that expensive nowdays.

2. 32GB ECC DIMMs are commonplace. It is in fact readily available. It is the non-ECC at high capacities which is a problem.

IMHO, here Intel is not gunning for Arm, but for Fusion. Arm is a future threat, while AMD Fusion is clear and present danger. Nearly all Fusion MBs including measly sub-notebooks like my Vaio can address 16G per DIMM slot of non-ECC memory . Unfortunately you can buy only 8G DIMMs for the time being (which limits my subnotebook to measly 16G of RAM). People (including datacenter ones) have started to notice that and have started to look at it in earnest. This is what has made Intel grudgingly release the first Atom to be able to address a decent amount of RAM.

As far as Intel making a "super chip", that should be with quotes, right? To put things into perspective - last week I converted an Arm ChromeBook to Debian. It runs circles around any Atom/Core i3 notebook I know. I already have a decent Fusion notebook. That runs circles too. Based on first hand experience, if I buy something next 2 years I will now chose Arm, followed by Fusion for any of my desktop/laptop/microserver needs. Intel simply does not qualify on all counts - performance, addressable memory size, price, etc. I suspect I am not alone here too. In fact, I am surprised that we do not have an arm based Macbook Air yet. Based on the performance of my Samsung Exynos based machine, I would expect a hypothetical Arm Air to last 24h, not 11 while being ice cold all the time.

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Facebook strips away a bit more of your privacy – but won't say why

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Re: Scripts

And this is exactly why I use noscript and adblock and will continue to use them.

I am not on f***book and shall never be. Linkedin is not in my noscript whitelist and shall never be for the same reason. Ditto for google. So they can map diddly squat.

F***book is also one of the main reasons why all of my household phones are always bought unlocked and only after a double-check that I can unlock the bootloader. Zap cyanogen, rinse repeat.

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Microsoft cans three 'pinnacle' certifications, sparking user fury

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Re: What the Frack!

Quote: "US seems to lack a clear legal framework on professional titles."

Actually some of the states do. If memory serves me right, you cannot call your self an engineer or architect unless you are "proper old school" engineer or architect in Texas and a few other states. Old school == civil engineering/brick and mortar architecture :)

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Fandroids blow $200,000 on secret PANIC BUTTON for their smartmobes

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Re: I think the novelty is in the application

Quote "and the application to poll/monitor for presses and register the click pattern."

Application is linux kernel. Headphone presense on Android phones is reported via the /dev/input subsystem same way you would have had a keyboard. It is simply a matter of hijacking the event later on in android.

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China confirms plans for first Moon visit later this year

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Re: I honestly do not care who does it...

That is not the plan.

1. They do not want to go to the moon for fun - they want to use its resources (read their space program roadmap). So I would not expect them to be in a particularly sharing mood with regards to that.

2. They also quite clearly state that they intend to do it alone. So once again, sharing is not to be expected.

So the only thing "sharing" nations can (and should) do about it is to clean the dust off the 35 year old drawings and get something on the assembly line. Stat.

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'Kim Jong-un executes nork-baring ex and pals for love polygon skin flick'

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Re: It's not agressive atheist - it is an agresive theocracy

Quote - "ALL communist regimes have been aggressively anti-religion."

Almost correct. That is because they had an existing religion integrated into the state already so they were aggressively anti-other-religions.

A lot of people in this thread quote the cult of personality as an example of the religion. It is not quite correct - it is the theocratic artefact of religion in the ex-Soviet States. The religion itself was what the Soviet States referred to as "communism". It was a state religion same as in ancient Egypt and other theocracies. Anyone questioning it and not believing it was dealt with swiftly once and for all.

The Manifest is a wonderful piece of Utopia, but fundamentally there is nothing wrong with it. Das Kapital builds on it and while its first part makes sense, towards the 3rd it its total drivel, bollocks and unjustified conjectures. Lenin's scribblings on top of that are complete and utter bollocks (and uncomprehensible towards the end which is normal for someone with 3rd stage syphilis). I am not going to even characterise the "development" of these during the 70 years of soviet rules by paid philosophers. The only way to accept all of these as a fundament to society was to believe (usually in a very simplified "layman" form). Nobody in his sane mind would have accepted these rationally and logically.

So rather unsurprisingly, 90%+ of signage, posters, slogans, etc in the ex-Soviet block were about belief or belief based. We believe in the Bright Future under Communism. We believe in the victory of the people. We believe... believe... believe... period. Whoever does not believe, the holy inquisition will deal with him (insert appropriate local name for it here).

The personality cult was just a topup on that - the pharaon as a manifestation of the single state religion merged into the state in a theocracy. They were not the religion per se. The religion was "communism" (quotes intended as it has nothing to do with what Marx and Engels wrote in the Manifest). This religion treated all other religions the way all state religions usually do.

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It's not agressive atheist - it is an agresive theocracy

Minor correction.

While other communist theocracies were at least trying to pretend that they are not theocracies, Nork does not even do that. One Kim reincarnating as another Kim to lead the nation to the glory of communism. Atheism my a***... This is something from the days of the pharaons waving the atheist banner.

As far as Bible being a heinous crime... Well, what do you expect. "Other" religions are always a heinous crime in a theocracy.

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Punter strikes back at cold callers - by charging THEM to call HIM

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Re: Really

Let me guess - you are on BT.

My BT number used to be ex-dir and on TPS. It was still called on a regular basis - 10-20 calls a month.

Over the years I have switched the house to new numbers on Sipgate (total 3 of them now - generic house number, my home office and junior's personal number). _NONE_ of them ever gets a called call. The BT phone has been kept for DSL backup. As I am moving the DSL backup to mobile on 3 that number will be exterminated with extreme prejudice within the next couple of days.

Correlation does not equal causation... Usually... At least so the phormal saying goes...

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Amazon.com trumps other online retailers' sales by HOW much?!

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Re: Monopoly and an agency model

There is little basis to go after.

1. People keep calling Googlers UmpaLumpas. The real UmpaLumpas are Amazon. It has built its entire business from the ground up so it is viable at a ~ 5% margin. A true case of "Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-da. If you're not greedy, you will go far". The other retailers operate online at their store margin. That is 15% (at least) so rather unsurprisingly the population is voting for Amazon with their wallets.

2. Amazon has voluntarily created a layered infrastructure model and has opened all of their infrastructure to hum and sundry on a wholesale (and retail) basis. That usually takes the regulator goons years to achieve with other monopolies (and they still refuse to play fair). Compare Amazon web services to the wholesale/unbundling of any T(elecom).

And so on. Sure, they are destroying all competition. The only thing which the regulator can do is put some anti-dumping covenants on their behaviour. Anything else? They have already done it themselves so the regulator looks at it and their reaction is "WTF? What do we do here? All the stuff we usually do - business separation, mandated wholesale, etc has already been done".

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Nintendo is FLATLY UNHINGED: New 2DS is a handful of game

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Re: Better than tablet gaming

You are mixing up touchscreen controls and tablet gaming in general. These are not entirely equivalent. You are also assuming equivalence of games on both platforms. That is not entirely true either.

I suggest you pick up a real tablet game (not a lame port of a console oldie) like Sleepy Jack which has been designed from the ground up to use the accelerometer. Try playing it as it should be played (using tilt controls). There are a couple of other games in the same category (mostly racers and flight sims).

Compare to physical controls. You will notice that physical controls actually suck bricks sidewize through a thin straw compared to the real thing when the game is a real tablet game. My only complain against this control method is that you need to find a really good case for the tablet (otherwise junior is bound to break them at a mindboggling rate).

Similarly, try playing a moderately complex RTS or turn based strategy using physical and touchscreen. A good example here will be StrikeFleet Omega or Wesnoth.

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Amazon's weekend cloud outage highlights EBS problems

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Re: One region? What's the big deal?

It is not just single region.

Amazon core services including amazon.co.uk itself (accessed from Virigin in the UK) have been temperamental (to put it mildly) whole weekend long. My initial suspicion was Virgin (as usual).

However, it looks like it may be the other usual suspect.

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Fear the JOBZILLA! 150ft STATUE of Steve planned 'lest fanbois forget'

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More likely to be on the territory of one of the FoxConn factories at this price tag. There is no way in hell to build a statue of this size for this amount of money unless you use Foxconn labour.

If it is in the Bay area you can safely multiply the size by at least 0.1 if not 0.01. In fact, if it is on public land the planning approval will cost more than that.

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Obama proposes four-point plan to investigate US data spooks

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Re: "Especially as a non-American I'm apparently not an "ordinary person""

That is not collective response - that is the sum of all precedent and interpretation by the US legal system of the 14th amendment of the USA consitutition. It is enshrined in US law and it is something you should always give a thought when dealing with USA legal system.

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Obama cancels meeting Putin in Russia, says Snowden 'a factor'

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Re: He could always invade Russia

Not so sure. Probably time to reread Catch 22.

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IBM opens up Power chips, ARM-style, to take on Chipzilla

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Re: Too Little, Too Late

Errr... excuse me... It is me being too thick this evening. Last time I recall Android was java that is not java but is kind of java but not java at all running on top of Linux.

That runs fine on x86, MIPS and shall run fine on Power too. The only advantage Arm ever had here was the ability to bake in various special hardware accels. MIPS moved to cancel this advantage a while back. Power did that now. I am going to take a very safe bet - x86 will follow.

That is as far as Android. As far as other stuff, Power has a _MAJOR_ advantage over arm. It has mature, time tested 64 bit architecture. So while I agree that it is a bit late to the party I would not be so sure about too late.

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Ultimate Radio Deathmatch: US Navy missile-defence radar vs 4G mobile mast

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Re: Call me stupid

Aegis in its missile defence capability is intended to be moored close offshore during flareups (and have the radar on).

Also, a minor correction to the article - Ticonderoga is not the missile drednaught of the 21st century (should be 20th as it is 40 y old design). While it has a BIG armoury, it can launch a fairly limited amount of it in a given interval. After that it has to reload. The title of biggest and baddest "missile gunboat" fare and square goes to Peter the Great (Kirov class) nuclear missile cruisers.

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Hundreds of UK CSC staff face chop, told to train Indian replacements

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Re: Redundancy?

Czech IT wage level is not that far off from the UK and in some IT sectors is even higher than in the UK. In fact, the Germans have moved into Czech republic to the rescue their early experiments in outsourcing to warmer climate driving up demand/supply situation to a level UK IT bods can only envy. That move has resulted in starting salaries for some positions (f.e. Unix sysadmin, etc) that are in fact higher than their UK equivalents.

So I would not be so sure about "Czech-wage-level-redundant" and the "rightful indignation" manifested by unions that it is going somewhere cheaper. That may indeed be the case. Or maybe not. I would not jump to a conclusion without seeing actual pay brackets and positions.

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Edward Snowden skips into Russia as Putin grants him asylum

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Re: The ex-KGB officer

Or Obama as "ex-CIA intern". Which he is if memory serves me right. Welcome to hotel California, you can check in any time of night, but you can never leave. Once you get into anywhere near any of the big Firms it is a relationship for life.

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Terror cops swoop on couple who Googled 'backpacks' and 'pressure cooker'

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Re: So don't shop while at work?

I do not know in which wonderland you live, but around these parts of the world what I do in any of my breaks is my own bloody business. If need to buy something and if it I can do it within the allocated time to me for my break I am entitled to do so.

In any case, the lunch breaks aside, the culture of fear and thinking of everything from the perspective of "Am I doing the right thing? will the cops come for me?" is what differentiated USSR, East Germany and Romania from the rest of the world (even from some other countries in the Eastern block for that matter). What goes around, comes around. 20 years later things have gone full circle. The noise you are hearing is Suslov, Brezhnev and Cheushesku giggling madly in whatever circle of hell is assigned to scum like them.

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Sony and Panasonic plan 300GB Blu-Ray replacement for 2015

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Re: The way it could become relevant...

First step for it to become relevant is to work reliably using bog standard devices and media you can go and buy in a computer shop (or off Amazon nowdays). I tried to use BR as backup media and gave up after a week of fighting with it. Average time to write one disk - 6-9 hours, failure rate 20%+. No thanks. It ended up cheaper to set-up a remote backup facility and backup remotely to an old NAS there.

The market for new optical media is dead. The only reason DVD is still out there is because of the massive legacy install base accompanied by a distribution channel.

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REVEALED: Hungry termites nibbling at Oracle's foundation

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Re: Postgres? No, thank you.

I believe you are referring to Postgress handling LOBs via overspill files and being able to do work only with their "heads" at high speed. If that is what you are referring to, it is a blast from the past. It used to do that many years ago. AFAIK it is not the case with the more recent releases - it can work with the data in the whole BLOB, not just its head.

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Boffins, Tunnel Tigers and Scotland's world-first power mountain

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If you hate the midges the same artifact exists in Bulgaria and was built at about the same time (early 60-es). It is the Belmeken-Sestrimo-Chaira accumulating hydroelectric. Bigger, better, located in the middle of a 2500+km sq national park with full public right of way across it (none of the wonderful british "fence me sheep grazing rights"). You can take pictures too. No plod to beat the camera out of your hands. You can even get a boat and go fishing on the main reservoir.

Though, the pictures, plod, etc are the minor differences. The big difference is what happened next.

After toying once with the idea Britain stopped. Converting to accumulation half of all those reservoirs built by victorians in the lake district (lake should really be in quotes) would have made all the discussions about windpower, etc redundant. Compared to the quite clear "stop" after the initial British project, Bulgarians continue to this day (despite a desperate shortage of money over the last 20 years). The collection capacity is now in the 100s of km runs covering most of the national park (doubles up for drinking water water collection in a few places). The most recent extension run and microhydro in the system came online last year (very neat too - small micro on a mountain stream + some pipework to exploit a 300m+ drop so you get tens of MW out of a rather measly mountain stream.

Sad really - invented in Britain, built first in Britain, then abandoned so that we can import Norwegian gas and have offensive Statoil ads around Heathrow.

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Knocking China with shocking phones and mocking tones

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Re: If you don't think 90% of Chinese output is crap...

Indeed. If you shop at Wallmart (Asda in the UK) or Tesco. That's also where you find beef labeled as horsemeat, too _AND_ that is not a mere coincidence. It is a natural result of the procurement strategy and methodology.

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UK investigators finger emergency beacon for 787 Heathrow fire

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Re: Wait

I do not see a problem with it - provided that its FAA certification is adjusted accordingly. I do not see how on earth, in hell or otherwise an aircraft which does not have a functioning beacon can have 270 minutes divert allowance (that certification without an operating record was insane in the first place). With a non-functioning beacon it should not be allowed the normal 60 which nearly all two engine aircraft have as it is.

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Linux 3.11 to be known as 'Linux for Workgroups'

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It was not 32 bit either

I ran it for a few years on a 25MHz Harris 286. It actually ran faster than than on most early 386-es.

It was the first Microsoft OS to allow installing additional 32bit runtime (under windows) which created a wonderful DLL hell as most Internet apps like Netscape, etc depended on it. It also run dos prompts/apps, etc in v386 mode utilizing one of the new features of 386. The core of windows itself however remained resolutely 16 bit and went 32 bit only with the release of 95.

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Ubuntu 13.10 to ship with Mir instead of X

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Re: BULL!

@bazza

Quote: "Thanks, I didn't know that; clearly I am a bit behind on the latest!" By about 10 years or so :)

Esound used to do remote sound even before pulse and network audio system was even before that.

I have been using pulse since ~ 2004-2005 on xterms and while it is reasonably good, I prefer to use its esound compatibility mode and set environment accordingly (trivial - just add an extra 3 liner in the xsession init) instead of the standard mode.

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Snowden leak: Microsoft added Outlook.com backdoor for Feds

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Re: You mean, above and beyond

Quote: "You mean, an audit above and beyond every line of code being visible to anybody who pulls down the kernel source from git.kernel.org..."

To put it bluntly, there are vast swathes of kernel code which are understood by ~ 5-10 people out there. There are whole arch/ trees that have even less people fully understanding all the fine points of how they function.

I have worked with various bits and pieces over the years. In each case, it took me half a year to get up to speed with the (rather small) areas I had to play with. None of them was anywhere near the complexity of SE linux.

So while the idea "it is in the open, someone should have noticed" has some merit, the idea "put some proper pros on it and do a proper audit" has considerable merit as well.

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BlackBerry gives Indian spooks BBM and BIS access

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Re: Aaannd...

No, here comes the reason why you should pay RIM more money - buy a proper BES install and stop w*nking about.

In fact, if you do not want to your comms to be intercepted your best choice is to buy a foreign company with an existing BES install using that wad of cash that ultimately started at a 3 letter agency a while back (if we did not finance and arm terrorists pretending to be "freedom fighters" to the tune of 20+ billion over the last 3-4 decades we would have never had the problems we do now).

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Samsung Galaxy S3 explodes, turns young woman into 'burnt pig'

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Re: Increased energy density leads to increased risk

"Or the risk of having essentially the same effect on those around me as a suicide bomber!"

They already are - if they are packing a laptop. Some of the bigger high capacity batteries are on par with a hand grenade as it is.

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Re: And THIS is why you bu an iPhone.

Quote: Charging tends to heat batteries so therefore is an occasion when the risk of combustion very slightly increases.

Err... All well designed lithium batteries have a thermal control on the charging circuit. In fact for some applications they _HAVE_ to have one. In any case, this one exploded not while being charged so this is not likely to have anything to do with charging.

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Gotcha: Oz Greens squeeze web snoop law confession

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Re: Spying is not the only answer

Quote: "Do we really want to have a system that would allow for such corruption?" First of all your info is a bit out of date. Second it has always been organized crime, etc not corruption which was the problem.

In any case Scandinavia, Baltic states, etc all operate similar database nation systems. So the system quite obviously has little to do with corruption and state transparency.

In any case. It is a simple matter of choice between having a central register with legal supervision and access control and even mere council clerks having sigint interception and surveilance powers as per the RIP act. When you add up all the "allowed to snoop, intercept, interfere, etc" clauses in the current UK and US law code and compare that to the case for "database nation" the choice becomes quite obvious.

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Spying is not the only answer

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

1. Option A - rebuild Stazi, Securitate and establish a total surveilance regime where the powers that be hold a massive dossier on every cittizen. Historically - this approach _ALWAYS_ ends up in blood. Be it a few puddles or a sea of blood like the overturn of Cheushesku, it has always ended in blood.

2. Option B - build a database nation. You are referenced by your number from birth and from there on your tax, health, social security, benefit entitlement, in fact everything which the government should hold about you - even your parking tickets is crossreferenced and held centrally with some reasonable level of access control. That amazingly enough _DID_ _NOT_ end in a sea of blood in Eastern European countries which had it (Bulgaria), just the opposite. In fact it is in there till this day. Same as in a lot of other Eu countries.

Food for thought... I'd rather have working option B which is under public scrutiny, with documented public control, etc instead of a bunch of Henrich Muller wannabies trying to build "law and order" to his golden standard.

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French snooping as deep as PRISM: Le Monde

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Re: It's okay, they're French...

You should have used a joke tag instead :)

The interesting thing about metadata trawling is that language is totally irrelevant. You may be speaking Navaho and you will still show up on the number cruncher as a "suspect of interest" if you talk to the "wrong" people. Once you have shown up on that trawl they will find someone who speaks Navaho (or Glaswegian), trust me.

Welcome to the brave new world. Actually, not brave new world, welcome to "This Perfect Day". We should probably thank Google for doing so much to advance the humanity towards that - after all they figured out how to trawl through the metadata morass in the first place. Viva la conditional probability. Alors enfants de la MapReduce.... Puts all those Schmidt rants about no privacy and nothing to hide in the right perspective...

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Idaho patriots tool up to battle Jihad with pork bullets

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Re: So much for respecting the religious beliefs of other people.

"It's called Greenbelt"

Err... Apples and oranges. That is organized by the _ONLY_ big church I know which adheres to the teaching of its founding father which explicitly specify that you can believe (apologies if I am misquoting) in god only by yourself and noone, never ever should force anyone to believe in god and how you reach that belief. This is the only big church that does not just preach religious tolerance, it leaves by it. The methodists.

I spent two years in a methodist run university in my youth. I quite vividly remember even today how the provost called "on the carpet" in his office some religious nutheads that were harrassing the atheists and agnostics club and threw the book (literally - showed them the actual pages from the Wesley book) at them. To put things in perspective - your average church of England school is 10s (if not 100s) of times more intolerant than a methodist event (despite all regulatory safeguards and limitations).

So first of all anyone stating that there is no such thing as intolerant religion is wrong. Methodists are a fine example, there are a couple of others (albeit smaller ones). These are however a minority. And so unfortunately are you sir :(

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