Re: So I have to ask
I think you meant Vomiting after reading the review! Flaws like no micro sd slot, nothing special battery, ordinary camera for such a pricey phone; were glanced over.... an android love in review if I ever read one...
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I think you meant Vomiting after reading the review! Flaws like no micro sd slot, nothing special battery, ordinary camera for such a pricey phone; were glanced over.... an android love in review if I ever read one...
To be fair I have had issues with Google drive and file / folder syncing on the iPad aswell. All these services have their minor niggles however in general they all work great considering they have to work across such a variety of poor inconsistent internet connections. Plus do not get me started on iCloud and the inflexibility of viewing files in a simple web browser!
Obviously The Reg is going to highlight the errors in the Microsoft service.
The limitations of the iPad are becoming apparent its basically a content consumption device, useless for creation.
Plus I see it with my grandmother the apple walled garden makes simple tasks like archiving all your photos to local storage, in cases where its your only device its a bit of a pain. Its still only a secondary device, where you need a PC (whatever OS) or Mac as your primary device.
For once the Reg headline has it spot on iFad.
God what an insignificant "flaw" in an otherwise what seems a super budget phone. Removal battery, 128GB Micro SD slot, apps installable on SD, new windows 8.1 .....
I suppose we should appreciate the fact that the camera in the Moto E being so dire is acknowledged.
So make a call reviewer, which phone is better, where is the famous out of 10 score for both!
Or any kind of decent camera..
A first the reg criticising Android gear, we can only assume the Camera must be so shockingly bad a review without mentioning it would not be credible journalism, or else it would be glossed over....
"I would if your goal was accuracy and not negativity.
You must be new here."
Brilliant; EL Reg is the anti-Microsoft, fandroid lovers tech news source of choice. Do not expect even the smallest bit of positive (or even balanced Microsoft news and comments here). I am convinced El Reg must be all staffed with old ex Novell, Netscape employees with that rusty olde axe to grind away with...
My Lumia 925 on Three network updated without issue. Did notice the beamer update not available though...
As usual we do not expect the REG to depart from its PC market grave dancing, the truth about today's numbers is that PC market is not nearly as bad as reported here; MSFT stock up 1.44% today after the numbers. One source:
Of course that does not stop the REG and its usual anti-microsoft bias, chromebook anything Android love in to continue.
As other posters have pointed out the PC still remains the most productive device available. Tablets have their place however their peak market penetration in developed world anyway is approaching.
No doubt the Surface 2 is not selling near the quantities of the iPad which wins as the best tablet for messing about on the couch after a days work. The Nexus being the best android offering, almost all other cheap Android tablets are useless and will be broken by the end of January.
However its sales are growing, the majority of users who have purchased one (The Surface RT / 2) use it as a combined tablet and laptop replacement ideal for work like editing documents, presentations, emails and ease of access to you files on the full size USB port.
The surface is the most innovation and distinct tablet in the market currently, ok some parts of windows RT have a few rough edges however that is progressing as can be seen in the 8.1 upgrade.
The Reg from the get go have been trying to blacken the Surface and Windows RT from the start, this article is more of the same.....
As per usual The Reg will NEVER publish any semblance of a good news story regarding the Surface tablet.
A few days ago it was widely reported that the device had sold out in the US, sourced from various retailers not just Microsoft marketing. Of course no mention of it here..... only sniping anti-Surface news welcome.
Here ye go for a bit of balance:
In a nutshell Chromebooks are crap.
Its a decent thought provoking article. Cheap tablets in the 3rd world will only work with availability of reliable internet access. Currently they do not have even reliable power never mind internet.
This is where Microsoft deserves some credit the Surface RT is the best offline, laptop replacing tablet, of course its to dear however that can be addressed. Also all the dirty big servers supplying the tablet information; here Microsoft is still the biggest stake holder.
I do not buy that Microsoft is out of the game and all is lost; remember Microsoft has history on its side. Change is a coming no doubt about that....
Another day, another anti-Microsoft article full of the usual bile and hatred; yesterday it was the PS4 is outselling and trouncing the xBox one and all the minor bugs with the device. This on top of the sniping of the Surface tablet, Windows phone, NSA friendly access, the crap CEO and general state of the company and its imminent demise. I am only assuming El Reg hire ex Novell or Netscape staff.
While Google remains largely unscathed, and praised where possible read yesterday’s review of the Moto G; Android can do no wrong. I waiting about a month after Christmas and when all those cheap useless Android tablets are generating resentment will we have a bit of critique?
Seems really good except for no micro SD slot and its hard to beat the Nokia Here maps for SAT NAV. In my book that just keeps the Lumia 520 ahead.
I am of course assuming the never version of Android has been cleaned up and users have been protected from ruining their phones by loading them up with slow, poor apps; Androids weakest point on low end hardware.
Well said Rallicat a nice comment, well balanced and offensive to nobody. Maybe its the season of goodwill on the Reg after all!
Then you have the issue of a measly 16GB storage on the base iPad or spend a lavish amount for the apple robbery options of 32GB or 64GB..... even Wozinak bemoaned Apples's attitude to storage.
I think the Surface is a better option storage wise.
Most commentators here have net given the Surface RT tablet a chance, I have.
It is the most flexible device of the lot out their as a laptop replacement and a tablet. No other device comes close. Of course its not as good as an iPad as a pure tablet for playing with on the couch at the end of the day. However disconnect the magnetic keyboard and it almost as good.
Attach the keyboard, add in an external USB NIC and VGA lead to the bag and for most people it will do all the tasks of a portable laptop perfectly for 1/2 the price. Couple that with the improved 8.1 update (Outlook, offline Skydrive file access), a MICRO sd card slot (usual 64GB recommended) and you are sorted. You can load up the device with all those old MP3's (from the now defunct laptop) and movies from torrent sites unlike the iTunes walled garden.
Add in that like the iPad is will not get viruses however unlike the iPad all flash sites are supported you have a far better all-rounder device
So in this recessionary times its the ideal device for anyone wanting to buy one productive value device. Of course most of the contributors here have no issue buying a iPad air for the train, an android device for the home have a laptop for those big meetings with possible a media server for their media content. Unfortunately not everyone is made of money like the IT boomers here....
And don't get me started on all the xmas €100 bargain junk Android tablets, I expect most to be broke and in landfill by the end of January.
Their is no sense in ditching either Bing or xBox, people now join an ecosystem, and Microsoft has one of the most complete ones with options in all areas unlike its competition. This is its greatest strength and over time it will make a difference this can be seen already in the Windows phone growth.
Of course the Reg and a lot of its anti-MS posters would love to see a breakup, hence why they argue such a strong course of action. A successful company like Microsoft always has its share of haters.
Cost cutting, redundancies, low staff morale and short sighted decisions destroy technology companies like a cancer, example HP.
Great to see the Lumia 520 & 620 getting the sales they deserve. 2 Great, fast, affordable smartphones that will do 80% if the tasks of an iPhone / S4 for 1/4 of the price.
Apple missed a trick not having a low end mass market phone and Android OS needs a cleanup for the low end phones as its performance is dreadful on phones like the Galaxy Ace. Reports are saying the new version is a big improvement whether it will be available to compete with the Lumia's for christmas is another question.
Interesting times and good for the consumer.
I also see the Surface RT selling since price reductions and the improvements in Windows 8.1.
I think Wozniak mad a very interesting point yesterday why the iPad Air has such little storage relative to its price? Not everybody wants to be in the ICloud where we never own content and its all DRM hobbled.
This is where the Surface RT and 2 can compete as old legacy laptop users who want to bring their MP3 and movies can do fairly easily in the Surface versus an iPad, plus when the Surface fills up they can just plug in an external hard drive, or swap SD cards, ok you can access your content over a wireless hard drive in the iPad however its not as neat and does not suit the traveler or the user who just wants basic plug and play then copy.
Great times for the consumer as this 3 way competition is brilliant and will drive innovation in all companies and platforms. Lets have a small bit of credit and balance when analyzing all platforms.
Have to agree; reading a lot of the Reg's contributing journalists and most posters you would swear Android's world domination is assured with the iStuff for the rest mostly richer folk.
My god talk of little innovation and small progression, a thinner tablet with an incremental processor upgrade??
Most people bulk out the iPad with a protective case so their is little point in a thinner tablet. Especially since you have spent so much money on a thin tablet you are going to buy the obligatory bulky protective case since we can only assume it will be near impossible to fix should you let it drop.
A bit of an own oxymoron from Apple a thin, weak, expensive device that users will bulk out with a protective case to protect it.
I have the Surface RT with the type cover and for my work its perfect.
Windows 8.1 RT has some nice new features like the ability to add your MP3's and movies (AVI, mpeg files etc) to your music and video library really easily from SD card now, unlike before.
The new mail program is a revelation compared to the old, so much so I have barely looked at Outlook on the RT. Also the idea of all the apps below the main start screen is neat. Split screen multi tasking also works really well.
Have seen a few issues with IE11 though nothing worth the headlines, and the speed of the browser, flash support plus the ability to flick forward and back pages is so handy.
I also have to say the offline skydrive file access really works well.
My biggest gripe with Microsoft's surface is that these should have all been their on version 8. Personally I would not pay for the Surface Pro premium if all you want is a tablet that will also replace most of your laptop needs. If you are on a budget and get the old stock Surface RT devices at a good price its a no brainer; Carrefour in France were selling it for €339.
All the old advantages are still their; full size USB port, direct VGA output for presentations on powerpoint, full MS office.
Ignore those that knock the device without giving it a chance and all those with a Microsoft grudge.
I updated the Surface RT to 8.1 with zero issues on the morning of the release.
Used it constantly while away last 3 days and on an 18 hour boat trip that had dial up speed satellite broadband (gave up on that), I was watching away from my wide choice of movies on the 64GB SD card, had a friend of mine kindly fill it with the latest releases.
The offline skydrive folders worked perfectly I synced all the content to the device and it cached it fine.
The mail apps seems much improved, so much so, that I did not fiddle with the new outlook yet.
Overall 8.1 seems a fine upgrade on the RT.
Hollow out all the engineering and development to cut costs; in the short term this will drive the share price and appease investors, long term it destroys the company; HP is a text book example. Hope they write a chapter for all those business degree courses. 2 of the worst tech CEO's in history: Carly Fiorina and Mark Hurd
I just hope Microsoft's new CEO does not embark on the same strategy.
No challenge to the low end smartphone market which is growing rapidly in all markets, the Google Nexus 4 and Nokia Lumia's 520 / 620 have a clear run into the Christmas market, and will do well when people realize they perform most smartphone tasks for 1/3 of the price.
Here's hoping Apple amaze the world with a truly innovate product like the original iPhone and iPad.
Its been quite a while since Apple have pulled any new rabbits out of the hat, even the most ardent blinded Apple fan would have to admit its been more of the same on product announcements since Steve Jobs died (pipeline was obviously drying up before his death).
The iPad is a classic case in point; boring increments not making one wanting rid of the old one.
I think the iPad is a terrific product its just all so dull on the new products front. Why would anyone bother waiting (never mind queuing!) for just more dull Apple incremental upgrades that provide no additional functionality.
Remember Apple products are about look and feel; not the boring specs like processors, a few more pixels on the already perfectly adequate screen....YAWN
Adding a bit of balance to an overwhelming anti-Microsoft bias from most posters on the site.
My posting on this thread is based on using a variety of phones, transferring contacts, settings up email and general usage and problems over a period of time until the user is familiar with their functionality. The biggest headache devices are cheap Android ones. I rarely ever have any grief with iPhones (except users complaining about reception) or any of the Windows 8 Lumia's once setup. The high end Android devices are fine aswell: S4/S3, HTC One.
The standout value for money smartphone currently is the Lumia 520 all it is missing to be unbeatable is a better camera and flash but that would probably drive up the price. Most smart phones are used as a phone, camera, with email and web access and a few apps, Nokia have hit the sweet spot on the entry level and deserve credit for it.
The Lumia's 620 & 520 are the big story here they are a brilliant phone, are the right price that are really easy to use and unlike crap Android phones like the Samsung Ace or Sony Xperia early models they always run fluid; load up a few apps on the low end Android devices and watch them crawl.
Plus backed with Office and the excellent outlook.com ecosystem they are a serious 3rd option. Competition is hotting up.
The message is getting out, no need to spend €600 on a smart phone (or a 2 year €50 a month contract) a prepay unit like the Lumia 520 will do 90% of the main smartphone tasks for 1/3 of the price its a no brainier.
Apple need a low range phone model and Android needs to clean up the OS speed wise for entry level phones to compete with Nokia's Lumia 520 & 620.
Until that time arrives the Lumia's 520 & 620 have the entry level smartphone market to themselves.
Are the right people being left go? No problem with some like basic support, but leaving a while enterprise team including engineers and developers smacks of something Mark Hurd (of HP cutting fame) would encourage. Remember strip away the wrong people, engineers in R&D and all you are left with is a hollow brand.
Good for shareholders however long term its a cancer within the company. Dangerous times for Dell.
All the negativity against Ballmer; he was a good CEO his greatest strength was he was not the usual cut costs, slash R&D merchant; look at the state of HP right now because of Hurd and Carly Fiorina.
He kept the culture of keeping with products even though they were initially not successful however he gave them time to develop and improve, cases include the XBox and Bing.
I do hope the same ethos is kept and products such as Windows Phone, RT and even Windows 8 are improved and maintained.
The company is in a very healthy state in almost every other area: Server Tools, Development, Office
The very last thing Microsoft needs is a slash and burn drive the share price to the detriment of R&D type CEO. Of course that is what a lot of the Android fanbios here would love to see...
iPad is still a toy for the guy in finance or sales to play with, that should not be taken seriously in business, or the useless director drawing the big bucks that just wants the boardroom synopses and can return to the game of golf while laughing at the fools doing real work.
Yes I accept productive employees are the real fools in all this, however no self respecting company employee that claims any engineering excellence or long term addition to their prospective companies future in their job will use their iPad as their primary technology tool of choice; artists and the creative types go for the MAC, hard workers for the laptop / PC and engineering wants the biggest most powerful workstation.
The surface RT could pick a niche where a productive tablet is required, provided MS does not f**K it up as its doing now.
Do not get me wrong at the end of the day for pricking around on the couch the iPad is the winner.
The xBox was an initial loss making disaster that took years to develop, now look at it.....
Having used the Surface RT the past few months its a good product that has a lot of strong points, full size USB, micro HDMI (VGA & HDMI easy out), Office 2013, skydrive, expandable SD memory, Onenote, full flash support, true multitasking. 8.1 will improve on that with Outlook and full offline skydrive.
Anyway with Asus and Acer leaving the Windows RT OS, now is the time to launch the Surface 2 in retail from the start and take on the other tablets for xmas. They are not offending OEM's anymore.
In the Surface RT the lack of apps not such an issue because flash sites work perfectly in the browser unlike the iPad. Remember is comes pre loaded with Office 2013 up to power point with Outlook on the way in windows 8.1.
That covers a lot of the app requirement issues.
Microsoft made a mess of distribution and sales of the RT. The product itself is not a bad device however I can buy an iPad in my local Tesco to get a surface RT is hard work.
The one great strength of Microsoft throughout the years is persistence. The xBox being the last hardware example, initial this lost massive amounts of money for Microsoft, now look its the star performer.
They need more of the same attitude with the RT; improve it, market it and stick with it. It will come good.
Buy the 32GB then add in 64GB micro SD memory. You also get 7GB cloud storage with a Microsoft Account and can plug in any memory stick directly to the full size USB 2.0 port.
Loads of expansion possibilities....
So did I, most critics here are just the usual blend of Linux morphed into Android fanbios with an profound hatred of anything Windows or Microsoft related.
With 8.1 on the way you are getting outlook 2013 and full offline folders on Skydrive, these are killer apps that will move the device well up in usage, note it already has a full size USB port, day long battery life, Micro SD expandable memory (up to 64GB), can attach directly to a projector via VGA, as well as HD video out, true multitasking (check some youtube reviews). Try doing any of that on an Ipad and some of those awful Android tablets. The touch type keyboard is just brilliant coupled with the kickstand.
I just see it as the most flexible exceptional quality tablet out their currently. The iPad is the more polished tablet for dicking around on the couch after a days work (I like the iPad) however for productive work the Surface RT wins hands down.
Hope that Samsung Ace 3 is better than the awful earlier ones. Also a neighbor got a low end Xperia and its a terrible phone he hates it; do not know which one I think its the Xperia E, so slow and so much lag between menus.
In that phone store of yours is the Windows phone sales poor because of no appetite or incentives among the operators and staff to sell the windows phone devices? Some operators such as Three will attempt to sell you anything except a Windows Phone.
I have moved a good few friends of mine from button phones to Lumia 620 or HTC 8S and they were very happy. Then again that is my small sample base....
The best low end smart phones at the moment are the Lumia 520 & 620. No doubt when apple release a less than premium smartphone it will be good (probably not that cheap though), right now Nokia have the product they are just not pushing sales and shipping volumes. Why I do not know?
A lot of people just want phone functionality, email, browsing and a reasonable camera, they have no interest is a lot of the current bells and whistles of the S4, iPhone 5, Lumia 925, HTC One etc. with the 2 year contract and expensive tariff. Also like the PC desktop replacement cycle, people are not automatically replacing their IPhone 4's at the end of their contract, as functionality it is more than enough for them.
So the high end is being squeezed from current entry level smart phones, and the old high end phones (iphone 4, 4S, S2, HTC Desire).
I hope Nokia are watching the time is right for them to flood the market with the Lumia 520 & 620. These are brilliant entry level smart phone that are snappy to use and are idea for the new smartphone user that just wants basic, fluid and stable functionality; why do you think Apple are rushing out a cheap iPhone to market even they know the high end is saturated.
How many of the critics here have actually used a Surface RT for a reasonable period of time and put aside the anti-Microsoft chip on their shoulder?
I have and find it an excellent tablet V's the iPad. And with full Outlook coming with the Windows 8.1 release it will be a real good business traveler device considering Office is free plus no file compatibility issues.
It has a full size USB 2.0 port , easy output to VGA / HD Video (for your protector and tele), capacity expandable to 64GB, will work with most printers simply.
As a productive tablet it takes some beating.
Lenovo should buy HTC, they would be cheap enough to acquire an ideal fit.
-Windows 8 will be fixed for the desktop with the "blue" update (even though I do not find Windows 8 bad at all)
-Their will be a large amount of quality OEM Windows 8 tablets for the Autumn / xmas 2013 market at the right price and quality point that will sell on mass.
- The iPad fad will fade rapidly when individuals realize the limitations of the devices, its starting to happen already like the iPhone fad passing...
Order will be restored. Maybe?
Just last week my wife broke the screen on her Lumia 820, thought it was the end of the world, she had to suffer an olde button handset for 3 days while it was fixed.
On the plus side it was an easy, relatively cheap fix, dropped it off at a local Nokia repair center they ordered the outer layer touch part of the screen fixed it up all for 70euros. The service guy said the phone is lovely to repair and really serviceable.
She is now happy, just raves about the phone, even droid and iphone users really like the package.
Their is a lot of old button phone users and this is where the Lumia 620 comes in, Nokia just needs to believe in the product and flood the worldwide market at the right price with the device and it will sell, Windows phone 8 is the best OS when upgrading from an olde push button phone.
Apple have nothing at the 150euro price point, all almost all the Android devices are cheap and nasty; the horrible Samsung Ace comes to mind.
"Disclaimer, I bought a Nexus 7 tablet last week and love it."
Come back in a months time and tell us how you are getting on, you are in the initial delight phase. I bet for serious productive long work stints you will / are using a PC / laptop in some form: Windows, Mac or Linux.
Agree 100% I am seeing the post 2012 tablet buzz starting to fade. They devices were purchased in vast quantities however from what I have seen usage has dropped a lot, even including the worshiped iPad.
I would love some current web browsing stats on their usage.
From what I am seeing the 2012 Christmas tablet buzz has faded. People who bought tablets over christmas now see their limitations, they like the convenience of them, however they realize their only a secondary device and not capable of long duration serious work.
The PC / Laptop (be that Windows, Mac or Linux OS) is still the defacto primary productive choice for 99% of individuals.
Windows 8 is actually fine once you learn a few shortcut keys.
The ultrabook prices are finally starting to drop, Dell Inspiron 15z is an example of a quality device well priced.
When touch becomes the norm on mainstream laptops I expect a jump in demand.
Still plenty of life in the PC / Laptop market once the product innovates like Windows 8.