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Re: "... and Chromebooks?"
In a nutshell Chromebooks are crap.
Decent though provoking article.
Its a decent thought provoking article. Cheap tablets in the 3rd world will only work with availability of reliable internet access. Currently they do not have even reliable power never mind internet.
This is where Microsoft deserves some credit the Surface RT is the best offline, laptop replacing tablet, of course its to dear however that can be addressed. Also all the dirty big servers supplying the tablet information; here Microsoft is still the biggest stake holder.
I do not buy that Microsoft is out of the game and all is lost; remember Microsoft has history on its side. Change is a coming no doubt about that....
El Reg the home of anti-Microsoft bile and hatret another day at the office
Another day, another anti-Microsoft article full of the usual bile and hatred; yesterday it was the PS4 is outselling and trouncing the xBox one and all the minor bugs with the device. This on top of the sniping of the Surface tablet, Windows phone, NSA friendly access, the crap CEO and general state of the company and its imminent demise. I am only assuming El Reg hire ex Novell or Netscape staff.
While Google remains largely unscathed, and praised where possible read yesterday’s review of the Moto G; Android can do no wrong. I waiting about a month after Christmas and when all those cheap useless Android tablets are generating resentment will we have a bit of critique?
Seem really good but?
Seems really good except for no micro SD slot and its hard to beat the Nokia Here maps for SAT NAV. In my book that just keeps the Lumia 520 ahead.
I am of course assuming the never version of Android has been cleaned up and users have been protected from ruining their phones by loading them up with slow, poor apps; Androids weakest point on low end hardware.
Well said a balanced friendly comment
Well said Rallicat a nice comment, well balanced and offensive to nobody. Maybe its the season of goodwill on the Reg after all!
Re: Own and use a Surface RT excellent laptop replacement
Then you have the issue of a measly 16GB storage on the base iPad or spend a lavish amount for the apple robbery options of 32GB or 64GB..... even Wozinak bemoaned Apples's attitude to storage.
I think the Surface is a better option storage wise.
Own and use a Surface RT excellent laptop replacement
Most commentators here have net given the Surface RT tablet a chance, I have.
It is the most flexible device of the lot out their as a laptop replacement and a tablet. No other device comes close. Of course its not as good as an iPad as a pure tablet for playing with on the couch at the end of the day. However disconnect the magnetic keyboard and it almost as good.
Attach the keyboard, add in an external USB NIC and VGA lead to the bag and for most people it will do all the tasks of a portable laptop perfectly for 1/2 the price. Couple that with the improved 8.1 update (Outlook, offline Skydrive file access), a MICRO sd card slot (usual 64GB recommended) and you are sorted. You can load up the device with all those old MP3's (from the now defunct laptop) and movies from torrent sites unlike the iTunes walled garden.
Add in that like the iPad is will not get viruses however unlike the iPad all flash sites are supported you have a far better all-rounder device
So in this recessionary times its the ideal device for anyone wanting to buy one productive value device. Of course most of the contributors here have no issue buying a iPad air for the train, an android device for the home have a laptop for those big meetings with possible a media server for their media content. Unfortunately not everyone is made of money like the IT boomers here....
And don't get me started on all the xmas €100 bargain junk Android tablets, I expect most to be broke and in landfill by the end of January.
Have to agree with Balmer
Their is no sense in ditching either Bing or xBox, people now join an ecosystem, and Microsoft has one of the most complete ones with options in all areas unlike its competition. This is its greatest strength and over time it will make a difference this can be seen already in the Windows phone growth.
Of course the Reg and a lot of its anti-MS posters would love to see a breakup, hence why they argue such a strong course of action. A successful company like Microsoft always has its share of haters.
Cost cutting, redundancies, low staff morale and short sighted decisions destroy technology companies like a cancer, example HP.
Lumia 520 and 620 getting the sales they deserve...
Great to see the Lumia 520 & 620 getting the sales they deserve. 2 Great, fast, affordable smartphones that will do 80% if the tasks of an iPhone / S4 for 1/4 of the price.
Apple missed a trick not having a low end mass market phone and Android OS needs a cleanup for the low end phones as its performance is dreadful on phones like the Galaxy Ace. Reports are saying the new version is a big improvement whether it will be available to compete with the Lumia's for christmas is another question.
Interesting times and good for the consumer.
The doomed Surface RT even selling...
I also see the Surface RT selling since price reductions and the improvements in Windows 8.1.
I think Wozniak mad a very interesting point yesterday why the iPad Air has such little storage relative to its price? Not everybody wants to be in the ICloud where we never own content and its all DRM hobbled.
This is where the Surface RT and 2 can compete as old legacy laptop users who want to bring their MP3 and movies can do fairly easily in the Surface versus an iPad, plus when the Surface fills up they can just plug in an external hard drive, or swap SD cards, ok you can access your content over a wireless hard drive in the iPad however its not as neat and does not suit the traveler or the user who just wants basic plug and play then copy.
Great times for the consumer as this 3 way competition is brilliant and will drive innovation in all companies and platforms. Lets have a small bit of credit and balance when analyzing all platforms.
Re: You guys.....
Have to agree; reading a lot of the Reg's contributing journalists and most posters you would swear Android's world domination is assured with the iStuff for the rest mostly richer folk.
A thinner tabler is that it, how robust, it will need a bulky case????
My god talk of little innovation and small progression, a thinner tablet with an incremental processor upgrade??
Most people bulk out the iPad with a protective case so their is little point in a thinner tablet. Especially since you have spent so much money on a thin tablet you are going to buy the obligatory bulky protective case since we can only assume it will be near impossible to fix should you let it drop.
A bit of an own oxymoron from Apple a thin, weak, expensive device that users will bulk out with a protective case to protect it.
Another RT user on 8.1 see the improvements
I have the Surface RT with the type cover and for my work its perfect.
Windows 8.1 RT has some nice new features like the ability to add your MP3's and movies (AVI, mpeg files etc) to your music and video library really easily from SD card now, unlike before.
The new mail program is a revelation compared to the old, so much so I have barely looked at Outlook on the RT. Also the idea of all the apps below the main start screen is neat. Split screen multi tasking also works really well.
Have seen a few issues with IE11 though nothing worth the headlines, and the speed of the browser, flash support plus the ability to flick forward and back pages is so handy.
I also have to say the offline skydrive file access really works well.
My biggest gripe with Microsoft's surface is that these should have all been their on version 8. Personally I would not pay for the Surface Pro premium if all you want is a tablet that will also replace most of your laptop needs. If you are on a budget and get the old stock Surface RT devices at a good price its a no brainer; Carrefour in France were selling it for €339.
All the old advantages are still their; full size USB port, direct VGA output for presentations on powerpoint, full MS office.
Ignore those that knock the device without giving it a chance and all those with a Microsoft grudge.
Upgraded the RT to 8.1 pre my holiday no issues
I updated the Surface RT to 8.1 with zero issues on the morning of the release.
Used it constantly while away last 3 days and on an 18 hour boat trip that had dial up speed satellite broadband (gave up on that), I was watching away from my wide choice of movies on the 64GB SD card, had a friend of mine kindly fill it with the latest releases.
The offline skydrive folders worked perfectly I synced all the content to the device and it cached it fine.
The mail apps seems much improved, so much so, that I did not fiddle with the new outlook yet.
Overall 8.1 seems a fine upgrade on the RT.
Legacy of Carly Fiorina and Mark Hurd
Hollow out all the engineering and development to cut costs; in the short term this will drive the share price and appease investors, long term it destroys the company; HP is a text book example. Hope they write a chapter for all those business degree courses. 2 of the worst tech CEO's in history: Carly Fiorina and Mark Hurd
I just hope Microsoft's new CEO does not embark on the same strategy.
No challenger to Google Nexus and Nokia Lumia 520 / 620 low end.
No challenge to the low end smartphone market which is growing rapidly in all markets, the Google Nexus 4 and Nokia Lumia's 520 / 620 have a clear run into the Christmas market, and will do well when people realize they perform most smartphone tasks for 1/3 of the price.
Re: Just buy the cheap iPad2 16GB....... all very dull new products
Here's hoping Apple amaze the world with a truly innovate product like the original iPhone and iPad.
Its been quite a while since Apple have pulled any new rabbits out of the hat, even the most ardent blinded Apple fan would have to admit its been more of the same on product announcements since Steve Jobs died (pipeline was obviously drying up before his death).
The iPad is a classic case in point; boring increments not making one wanting rid of the old one.
Just buy the cheap iPad2 16GB....... all very dull new products
I think the iPad is a terrific product its just all so dull on the new products front. Why would anyone bother waiting (never mind queuing!) for just more dull Apple incremental upgrades that provide no additional functionality.
Remember Apple products are about look and feel; not the boring specs like processors, a few more pixels on the already perfectly adequate screen....YAWN
Re: The lumia range sure beat Android landfill@ A Butler
Adding a bit of balance to an overwhelming anti-Microsoft bias from most posters on the site.
My posting on this thread is based on using a variety of phones, transferring contacts, settings up email and general usage and problems over a period of time until the user is familiar with their functionality. The biggest headache devices are cheap Android ones. I rarely ever have any grief with iPhones (except users complaining about reception) or any of the Windows 8 Lumia's once setup. The high end Android devices are fine aswell: S4/S3, HTC One.
The standout value for money smartphone currently is the Lumia 520 all it is missing to be unbeatable is a better camera and flash but that would probably drive up the price. Most smart phones are used as a phone, camera, with email and web access and a few apps, Nokia have hit the sweet spot on the entry level and deserve credit for it.
The lumia range sure beat Android landfill
The Lumia's 620 & 520 are the big story here they are a brilliant phone, are the right price that are really easy to use and unlike crap Android phones like the Samsung Ace or Sony Xperia early models they always run fluid; load up a few apps on the low end Android devices and watch them crawl.
Plus backed with Office and the excellent outlook.com ecosystem they are a serious 3rd option. Competition is hotting up.
The message is getting out, no need to spend €600 on a smart phone (or a 2 year €50 a month contract) a prepay unit like the Lumia 520 will do 90% of the main smartphone tasks for 1/3 of the price its a no brainier.
Apple need a low range phone model and Android needs to clean up the OS speed wise for entry level phones to compete with Nokia's Lumia 520 & 620.
Until that time arrives the Lumia's 520 & 620 have the entry level smartphone market to themselves.
Re: Bad for people...
Are the right people being left go? No problem with some like basic support, but leaving a while enterprise team including engineers and developers smacks of something Mark Hurd (of HP cutting fame) would encourage. Remember strip away the wrong people, engineers in R&D and all you are left with is a hollow brand.
Good for shareholders however long term its a cancer within the company. Dangerous times for Dell.
Ballmer not a bad CEO give some credit
All the negativity against Ballmer; he was a good CEO his greatest strength was he was not the usual cut costs, slash R&D merchant; look at the state of HP right now because of Hurd and Carly Fiorina.
He kept the culture of keeping with products even though they were initially not successful however he gave them time to develop and improve, cases include the XBox and Bing.
I do hope the same ethos is kept and products such as Windows Phone, RT and even Windows 8 are improved and maintained.
The company is in a very healthy state in almost every other area: Server Tools, Development, Office
The very last thing Microsoft needs is a slash and burn drive the share price to the detriment of R&D type CEO. Of course that is what a lot of the Android fanbios here would love to see...
Re: Microsoft is too late
iPad is still a toy for the guy in finance or sales to play with, that should not be taken seriously in business, or the useless director drawing the big bucks that just wants the boardroom synopses and can return to the game of golf while laughing at the fools doing real work.
Yes I accept productive employees are the real fools in all this, however no self respecting company employee that claims any engineering excellence or long term addition to their prospective companies future in their job will use their iPad as their primary technology tool of choice; artists and the creative types go for the MAC, hard workers for the laptop / PC and engineering wants the biggest most powerful workstation.
The surface RT could pick a niche where a productive tablet is required, provided MS does not f**K it up as its doing now.
Do not get me wrong at the end of the day for pricking around on the couch the iPad is the winner.
The xBox was an initial loss making disaster that took years to develop, now look at it.....
They might retail it now
Having used the Surface RT the past few months its a good product that has a lot of strong points, full size USB, micro HDMI (VGA & HDMI easy out), Office 2013, skydrive, expandable SD memory, Onenote, full flash support, true multitasking. 8.1 will improve on that with Outlook and full offline skydrive.
Anyway with Asus and Acer leaving the Windows RT OS, now is the time to launch the Surface 2 in retail from the start and take on the other tablets for xmas. They are not offending OEM's anymore.
Lack of Apps on RT not a serious issue - Flash works in browser
In the Surface RT the lack of apps not such an issue because flash sites work perfectly in the browser unlike the iPad. Remember is comes pre loaded with Office 2013 up to power point with Outlook on the way in windows 8.1.
That covers a lot of the app requirement issues.
Surface RT not a bad product - distribution was the let down
Microsoft made a mess of distribution and sales of the RT. The product itself is not a bad device however I can buy an iPad in my local Tesco to get a surface RT is hard work.
The one great strength of Microsoft throughout the years is persistence. The xBox being the last hardware example, initial this lost massive amounts of money for Microsoft, now look its the star performer.
They need more of the same attitude with the RT; improve it, market it and stick with it. It will come good.
Re: How much!
Buy the 32GB then add in 64GB micro SD memory. You also get 7GB cloud storage with a Microsoft Account and can plug in any memory stick directly to the full size USB 2.0 port.
Loads of expansion possibilities....
Re: Kinda grows on you
So did I, most critics here are just the usual blend of Linux morphed into Android fanbios with an profound hatred of anything Windows or Microsoft related.
With 8.1 on the way you are getting outlook 2013 and full offline folders on Skydrive, these are killer apps that will move the device well up in usage, note it already has a full size USB port, day long battery life, Micro SD expandable memory (up to 64GB), can attach directly to a projector via VGA, as well as HD video out, true multitasking (check some youtube reviews). Try doing any of that on an Ipad and some of those awful Android tablets. The touch type keyboard is just brilliant coupled with the kickstand.
I just see it as the most flexible exceptional quality tablet out their currently. The iPad is the more polished tablet for dicking around on the couch after a days work (I like the iPad) however for productive work the Surface RT wins hands down.
Samung Ace earlier device was awful
Hope that Samsung Ace 3 is better than the awful earlier ones. Also a neighbor got a low end Xperia and its a terrible phone he hates it; do not know which one I think its the Xperia E, so slow and so much lag between menus.
In that phone store of yours is the Windows phone sales poor because of no appetite or incentives among the operators and staff to sell the windows phone devices? Some operators such as Three will attempt to sell you anything except a Windows Phone.
I have moved a good few friends of mine from button phones to Lumia 620 or HTC 8S and they were very happy. Then again that is my small sample base....
Too man bad low end android smart phones... old high end ones good enough.
The best low end smart phones at the moment are the Lumia 520 & 620. No doubt when apple release a less than premium smartphone it will be good (probably not that cheap though), right now Nokia have the product they are just not pushing sales and shipping volumes. Why I do not know?
A lot of people just want phone functionality, email, browsing and a reasonable camera, they have no interest is a lot of the current bells and whistles of the S4, iPhone 5, Lumia 925, HTC One etc. with the 2 year contract and expensive tariff. Also like the PC desktop replacement cycle, people are not automatically replacing their IPhone 4's at the end of their contract, as functionality it is more than enough for them.
So the high end is being squeezed from current entry level smart phones, and the old high end phones (iphone 4, 4S, S2, HTC Desire).
Nokia are you watching let loose the Lumia 520 & 620
I hope Nokia are watching the time is right for them to flood the market with the Lumia 520 & 620. These are brilliant entry level smart phone that are snappy to use and are idea for the new smartphone user that just wants basic, fluid and stable functionality; why do you think Apple are rushing out a cheap iPhone to market even they know the high end is saturated.
Use the RT then comment.
How many of the critics here have actually used a Surface RT for a reasonable period of time and put aside the anti-Microsoft chip on their shoulder?
I have and find it an excellent tablet V's the iPad. And with full Outlook coming with the Windows 8.1 release it will be a real good business traveler device considering Office is free plus no file compatibility issues.
It has a full size USB 2.0 port , easy output to VGA / HD Video (for your protector and tele), capacity expandable to 64GB, will work with most printers simply.
As a productive tablet it takes some beating.
Lenovo should buy HTC
Lenovo should buy HTC, they would be cheap enough to acquire an ideal fit.
-Windows 8 will be fixed for the desktop with the "blue" update (even though I do not find Windows 8 bad at all)
-Their will be a large amount of quality OEM Windows 8 tablets for the Autumn / xmas 2013 market at the right price and quality point that will sell on mass.
- The iPad fad will fade rapidly when individuals realize the limitations of the devices, its starting to happen already like the iPhone fad passing...
Order will be restored. Maybe?
Lumia 820 rocks even easy to fix.
Just last week my wife broke the screen on her Lumia 820, thought it was the end of the world, she had to suffer an olde button handset for 3 days while it was fixed.
On the plus side it was an easy, relatively cheap fix, dropped it off at a local Nokia repair center they ordered the outer layer touch part of the screen fixed it up all for 70euros. The service guy said the phone is lovely to repair and really serviceable.
She is now happy, just raves about the phone, even droid and iphone users really like the package.
Their is a lot of old button phone users and this is where the Lumia 620 comes in, Nokia just needs to believe in the product and flood the worldwide market at the right price with the device and it will sell, Windows phone 8 is the best OS when upgrading from an olde push button phone.
Apple have nothing at the 150euro price point, all almost all the Android devices are cheap and nasty; the horrible Samsung Ace comes to mind.
Re: Tablets - Google, Android partners and Apple clean up. MS and Nokia lose.
"Disclaimer, I bought a Nexus 7 tablet last week and love it."
Come back in a months time and tell us how you are getting on, you are in the initial delight phase. I bet for serious productive long work stints you will / are using a PC / laptop in some form: Windows, Mac or Linux.
Re: Laptops for Christmas?
Agree 100% I am seeing the post 2012 tablet buzz starting to fade. They devices were purchased in vast quantities however from what I have seen usage has dropped a lot, even including the worshiped iPad.
I would love some current web browsing stats on their usage.
Initial Tablet fizz fading....PC still No 1 for productive work
From what I am seeing the 2012 Christmas tablet buzz has faded. People who bought tablets over christmas now see their limitations, they like the convenience of them, however they realize their only a secondary device and not capable of long duration serious work.
The PC / Laptop (be that Windows, Mac or Linux OS) is still the defacto primary productive choice for 99% of individuals.
Windows 8 is actually fine once you learn a few shortcut keys.
The ultrabook prices are finally starting to drop, Dell Inspiron 15z is an example of a quality device well priced.
When touch becomes the norm on mainstream laptops I expect a jump in demand.
Still plenty of life in the PC / Laptop market once the product innovates like Windows 8.
All hardware eventually fails and you ask anyone doing productive work what is their choice they will choose a laptop or PC (Windows, MAC, Linux: flavor of OS your choice) any day over a tablet.
The tablet is a secondary device used for messing around with while chilling on the couch, or commuting.
The PC market will pick up again when low priced touch and type laptops are available in abundance cheaply and that will happen this year. Windows 8 will be the route to this upgrade for most people.
I laugh when I read all those Windows doom mongers. Windows 8 is cheap stable and fast, metro takes a small bit of getting used to but nothing like the steep curve suggested by some people.
Running since launch on main desktop, no major probs
Been running on my main desktop, basic Fujitsu with Windows 7 32-bit pro, upgraded without issue since release date. Revise a few windows shortcut keys, setup a free Hotmail account and away you go.
I do not see the big issue, plus a friend of mine who bought a new laptop with Windows 8 (in his fifties that is not a techno head) adapted to the OS quiet well and was impressed with the way the Hotmail account linked to his Lumia 610 (basic phone I know) brought in all his contacts, calendar and mail all by supplying logon credentials, no need to search for POP3 settings and the like, with the whole ecosystem joined up, it works really well.
Ok metro can be annoying sometimes, however with a large monitor it gives a lovely browsing, app store experience.
Add in the low upgrade price, plus the speed of Windows 8 and it almost never crashes; this is no Vista OS its just their is a good few tech industry individuals with a Microsoft grudge.
Panasonic stuff bullet proof
Just talking to my local TV repair shop that has been in business over 30 years. He also repairs TV's and he swears by Panasonic, in all his time in business he has only one Panasonic TV that failed when in warranty and most are going 20-25 years after manufacture. They are one of the last manufacturers that actually makes all the components in their TV right down to the screws. Their R&D plant is also right beside their component manufacturing plant in Japan. No cheap Chinese lowest cost transistors allowed. A real shame their in trouble.
As for Sony they went the lost cost, buy cheap Chinese from the lowest price parts bin years ago so no surprise their....
" only run apps and MS office" that's the big beach head Microsoft have against the iPad.
They get the touch versions of Word and Excel bang on, they are on a winner because everyone still wants to use Word for docs and Excel for spreadsheets. All other office packages are 2nd rate...
Can see this giving Apple are right kick in the you know where?
Pricing and not pretty
To test the Apple fanbios wallets:
iPhone 5 UK Sim free pricing
iPhone 5 German Sim free pricing
Not pretty in this global recession.
NOKIA Up 4% in after hours trading today.
Of course no one reporting that these famous investment houses are now buying back in to Nokia up over 4% in after hours trading.
I think the new Lumia's look good. plus the Lumia 800 is a really excellent phone, have no issues with it whatsoever. Those criticizing Nokia should wait to see what Apple do with the iPhone 5 next week.
Smartphone running out of ideas
Its obvious the whole smartphone sector is starting to stagnate, Apple knows this so I cannot beat a competitor with innovation as the well is running dry, so it needs a victory in the courts.
The iPhone is rapidly heading down the iPod commoditization route so Apple needs massive market share but less profit per device to sustain the current share price.
Expect the iPhone 5 to be a damp squib. Hence the legal importance a bit of a pity really as Apple was once a great innovative company.
Can someone answer this question? Who is the outsource IT company responsible? Name and shame.
MS mad to support office in the ipad.
What a load of rubbish historically Microsoft has always played catch up; netscape, lotus 123, wordperfect, Novell, O2/2 I could go on however its always ended out on top.
Its like a big battle ship that takes time to maneuver in to place and fire back at new competing fronts, the guns are now trained on mobile and tablets and the game changer is Windows 8, Apple and everyone else knows it.
Windows 8 will run across PC, mobile and tablet and the rumour is that office (or a version of it) will be free on the tablet format to complement the mobile version.
So come this autumn we will have a flood of tablets from all the OEM’s running the excellent windows 8 ARM version with office fully integrated. Competing against the overpriced over hyped Ipad, and remember in this new world there is little loyalty so it the price and spec is right its Apple is the company that should be afraid.
In conclusion Microsoft would be daft to port office to the iPad. In “the noughties” Microsoft’s support of the Mac with office saved the ailing company no mention of that fact, they should not make the same mistake again.
Time Apple with their patent hungry lawyers got a good kick in the *******. Its coming.
"I can't wait until we leave this corrupt EU mess :)"
Yeah and dig up those fibre cables linking the london financial district to the rest of global financial economy; the UK biggest industry by far. Plus the euro goes down, it will pull every finance house in London down as well: Europes biggest financial services city and on to New York, the domino effect.
Oh yeah lets leave EU, like we do not need to be a trading global economy.
What gold fish bowl do you live in?
Best tablet that supports direct printing - HP not as dumb as you all think
I cannot believe no one has see the printing angle here, the touchpad has the best direct printing support of all tablets including the holy grail Ipad.
They get every punter to buy or hook a HP printer to the device then the money will come back on printer ink or toner.
For the record I paired my Touchpad with a HP Photosmart Wireless e-All-in-One Printer (CN245B) that once hooked up to my WI-FI, worked like a charm and at a brilliant price of 50euro.
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