276 posts • joined 6 Jul 2011
Because it's always another's fault.
That's government all over.
Rubbish people managing to construct a disaster at our expense.
Because it's government you knew it was going to be a disaster (for us).
The anonymised data will be able to be deanonymised, as if by magic (but you just know that system was designed from her start to be insecure)
"We're from the government, we're here to help you"
It is not the mistakes that bother/worry me, it is the deliberate actions taken to avoid the requirements of the DPA . Such as the data sold from the hospitals being de-pseudoanonymised, deliberately, in order to put a name to the data.
Although many have pointed out the method of anonymisation seemed to have been chosed so that it COULD be associated with the original person!!
Re: Healthcare information stored on Google?
Oh look...my house on google earth now has my NHS number by its side....and I just click on it to find my appointment for the GUM clinic..
Re: Damned easily predictable
Except that your data will be extracted along with everyone elses....is you are lucky your dissent for use of and dissent from disclosure for codes will take effect after that. However, it is guaranteed that if a large number of opt-outs happen, and they are sufficient to materially affect the data adequacy, the codes will be legislated away.
Nothing is more temporary with gov data than confidentiality.
Good job the NHS isn´t US-based!
Re: One big database
The data is extracted as-is. Even the opt-out only refers to the data when it is on HSCIC system.
You can bet your ass that the opt-out is worth less than an ice creams lifespan in a volcano.
Re: Do you trust the Government to oversea a sucessful IT scheme?
I think they´re trusting ATOS. What could be wrong with that?
Re: Fine then.
Perhaps they should really anonymise the data. Not pretend-anonymise. It is almost as if it was anonymised in a way that could easily be de-anonymised if wanted. I mean, birthdate, gender and full postcode. Never attribute incompetence to a government, when you can as easily attribute malignacy to it. Government employs enough people with univ degrees to get it right, to get it wrong has to be deliberate.
¨ I'll suffer the less-employment in the meantime in order not to work for an employer performing potentially ILLEGAL activities¨
Sounds like an average working day in the small and medium enterprises sector!
Any criminal record of a person up to age 18 is not carried into adulthood, apart from serious crimes such as a serious sexual offence/murder etc.
CRB checks no longer exist, the CRB and ISA organisations have become one, and now it is the Disclosure and Barring Service. It is the usual gov response to being told they cannot allow information exchange between departments.
Re: I'd pass that test
Several large organisation get DBS clearance via Scotland, where the basic clearance does not exist.
Re: Why does anything identifiable need to leave the GP?
They are going to get your data anyway, no matter what codes you ask to be attached to your file/s.
The data is going to be extracted anyway, it is just that your attached codes forbid forwarding to others. Theoretically. Your data IS going to HSCIC irrespective.
Note also that doctors have no read access to the data held by HSCIC.
The only thing I ever noticed about women is that once you have figured out what they want, they change what they want, and want what you haven´t got.
And I have yet to see any research that has persuaded me that women know what they want, ever.
Re: How could we have been so stupid? @ Paul Ireland
It could be worse. He may have gone into climate science, a financial black hole from which no cash reappears.
Re: Scary Stuff
Or you can use a motorcycle.
Mines the BMW.
Cars registered to disabled persons are zero-tax, so that would show in a dvla query.
As for terrorit detection...maybe the car is registered to a Mr BinLaden?
Re: If there was any doubt
Most times not anything.
Now, about all that extremely sensitive data on your/my/their children that crapita also manage?
Re: If you think it is bad now
Actually, circle health and virgin health...
So the smartcard was in the slot?
The one attached to the long lanyard.......
Re: Everything you need to know ...
Anonymous. That´s a laugh. Date of birth, gender and postcode. Even in a crowded city that amounts to an identifier.
Opt-out ALSO given to the GP surgery.
Dissent from secondary use of patient identifiable data
I am writing to give notice that I refuse consent for my identifiable information to be transferred from your practice systems for any purpose other than my medical care.
As you are probably aware, on the direction of NHS England you can now be required to transfer patient-identifiable data from the electronic medical records that you hold to the Health and Social Care Information Centre (HSCIC), via the General Practice Extraction Service (GPES) or other means. This is to be done without seeking my explicit consent and for purposes other than my medical care.
There are substantial concerns about the privacy and confidentiality of any information transferred to HSCIC, not least because NHS England has been given legal exemptions to pass identifiable data gathered by HSCIC between itself and a range of regional processing centres, local area teams and commissioning bodies that came into force on April 1st 2013. I am also disturbed to note that HSCIC provides access to patient data, some in identifiable form, to a range of ‘customers’ including private companies.
I do not believe that these widely distributed systems with so many potential users and such a wide range of uses, some as yet undefined, can be regarded as secure. And no guarantees can be given as to the future re-identification of pseudonymised or de-identified data; indeed HSCIC admits this is a risk.
I cannot know what specific information my medical records might come to hold but I regard the entirety of my medical records, existing and future, as private and personal.
Please take whatever steps necessary to ensure my confidential personal information is not uploaded and record my dissent by whatever means possible.
This includes adding the ‘Dissent from secondary use of GP patient identifiable data’ code (Read v2: 9Nu0 or CVT3: XaZ89) to my record as well as the ‘Dissent from disclosure of personal confidential data by Health and Social Care Information Centre’ code (Read v2: 9Nu4 or CTV3: XaaVL).
I am aware of the implications of this request, understand that it will not affect the care I receive and will notify you should I change my mind.
I recognise the need for health care providers to be paid for services provided to me. I believe the limited information required for such purposes can be wholly anonymised by the provider, before it is released to the relevant commissioning authority. Please ensure that any of my information used for these purposes is treated in this way, and that any other providers are made aware of this mandate, e.g. by forwarding a copy of this letter along with my information when it is passed to them.
Further information for GPs can be found on the BMA website at:
Signature _________________________________________ Date ________________
Information to help identify my records (please complete in BLOCK CAPITALS)
Title _______ Surname / Family name ____________________________________
Date of birth ________________________
NHS number (if known) ___________________________________
Re: Bomb us back to the stone age please
Unfortunately the reduction of CO2 by fewer children also leaves a rapidly aging population with fewer ¨workers¨.
The problem is insoluable without acceptance of one reality: those of an age unable to work and be productive are a burden on those able to work, and on the resources of the planet.
That, in the near future, is going to be the single largest problem that will be irreconcilable; the best way to get on is to recognise that your parents are the problem.
Re: one small problem : "both halves of the debate"
Re: What A Crock of SHIT
The law/s may have changed, but a lot of society has not.
At the ¨upper¨ levels of society, sharing the mattress with a partner of the same sex was frowned upon if it became general knowledge. Otherwise it was just another day. At the lower levels it was an invitation to be admitted to A&E. And women loving women has never been illegal in the UK anyway.
Doubtless we can be amused at the amount of MPs´ wandering around Hampstead Heath and inspecting the bushes.
¨came on the heals¨
Or even on the ¨heels¨....
Re: that ship has sailed
You think they´d tell that weak-kneed little drip, or the other WKLD, Cleggosoros?
No point in being in security if you tell politicians anything!
Re: The filtering isn't my main issue
Quite probably all those on the let me see p0rn list will be reported to the dbs gestapo.
Re: RF Noise Levels are already very high.
Around here (Beds) the 80M noise level is S7+-, the 160M is also S7.
And thatś just through the powerline BT stuff.
thatś ¨wattsupwiththat.com¨ finished then.
Gotta be extremist ´cause it doesn´t agree with climate con, sorry, change.
"I guess the one hope that it becomes more interesting lies with quantum mechanics"
More interesting, or more incomprehensible?
Re: How else is the NHS supposed to do this?
Since the NHS is now a collection of private companies operating under the "NHS" umbrella, one is compelled to wonder exactly how they are supposed to access your medical information if data-sharing consent is withdrawn (as mine was initially, and now will have to be again).
Unless you have missed it, your GP will now offload any treatment needed to another provider. Minor eye surgery, such as cataracts, may well be done by a private hospital and paid for by the NHS (it is locally).
Where NHS hospital physiotherapy departments were once the first choice when needed, now private physio is the first choice (get five sessions free, pay for the remainder @ £76/Hr) (been there, been done by that). GPs' get a kick-back for referrals....
Of course, if there was separation of medical service provision and other uses of the information then this would not be a concern. Except there is no such separation. At present even the local councils taxation department has access to your information.
Re: How sad
That's a loser. Then the competitors spend nothing on R&D. You'll obviously be a success in business.
Re: Hm, seven times more likely to get hit by an asteroid?
Not hit him, be specific; HIT CLEGG
I'm waiting for the blame to be apportioned to climate change.
Maybe the cash-cow of global climate change/warming/cooling is not attracting the cash anymore: quick switch to splatting meteors?
It ties in quite well to military spending as well, never forgetting that space spending is not increasing as much.
What would he have to say that anyone would want to listen to?
In fact I should imagine that everyone who is anyone in international espionage would rather listen to a cat crapping rather than Willy.
As for GCHQ modifying his phone...........why bother.........let everyone listen, after they've been bored by his blather as long as the rest of us have been, they'd be candidates for suicide watch.
Re: The triumph of commerce over democracy
When did they pass that?
Since when have "they" ever listened to the people?
Now, if it was a green thing, we would be knee-deep in FotE/Greenpeace(assuming any are out of jail yet) and everyone with windmills on their estates.....
Maybe we should be thankful for small mercies?
If you want DAB cancelled you'll have to suggest it contributes to global warming.
You can never really trust governments that sell their people down the road, can you?
Maybe that's why the NSA don't trust the EU?
None who live in it do either!
Re: side note
They eventually reach the compromise that suits the EU burocracy, not necessarily the citizen.
HMG didn't give them the money, or lend it to them, they bought-back their own bonds.
Re: As I said in that published paper
Maybe it will slow the use of algos' as market-riggers though.
I mean, 10,000 transactions in the final milliseconds of the market......we could do with a spanner in those works!
Re: I have a related question
If you insist on a car analogy:
They're not putting sand into an engine. They're increasing the fuel tax and putting a limiter on the engine.
Hopefully a tracker will be engineered in as well!
Re: This deserves support
They'll build a working, secure system, then the consultancies can crap on it at great expense ad-infinitum.
Re: Cheaper huh?
Don't knock those shitty stations, they are the only way to get into the jobcentres.....the phone is no good (at local-call-rate, and never answered)...you have to go onto the JC terminal/phone to actually talk to anyone.
Re: Variety is the spice of life
As the years go by, and the companies providing the service/s enlist MPs' as "executive arse-wipers", you will realise that it will be, along with others, the poster-boy for another way to bleed the taxpayer dry to enrich the rich further.
With inbuilt back/front/side/top/bottom doors for NSA/GCHQ, and loads of other multi-letter combinations to extract data and sell it.
..you mean CRAPita, that well-known public-money-spent-in-India company?
The one that "outsources" all the child data it holds to third-world countries for processing?
Re: A few details
The City of London is a state alone within the UK.
It's police, government and industry are intertwined to a degree above corruption and more like symbiosis.
I will be able to call for help while I'm freezing my arse off on a FCC train because the heating is off in winter, after nearly dying of heatsroke in summer because the heating was on ?
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