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You dont have to pay £17 a month line rental
Its only about £14 these days. Or a bit less if you pay for an annual contract
London (and mostly the city) pays a very high percentage of all Tax to the Government. This indirectly subsidises the rest of the country.
However all the work is done in the rest of the country. I mean real work, like growing and manufactir8ing food (products), making cars, designing chips, generating electricity, capturing and stiring drinking water, dealing with sewage waste, dealing with imports and exports, .
The country could well survive without London. The reverse is not true.
.. consider Barcelona as an alternative. “Certainly it’s much easier to recruit someone than in London, where there is fierce competition, especially for developers,” he says.
My java developer nephew left London for Sydney and 'twice the pay, half the work and better lifestyle'.
With the pound even lower against the Euro, being a developer in Barcelona must be complete rubbish.
After all, if cheap coders is what you want, India is the place to go.
Yup Cisco tried to sell this to my customer. 'Anywhere in the UK, sir'.
The customer was sceptical 'and how doe's that work in a gale when Guernsey airport is closed and the ferry cant dock, for three days due to high wind and seas?'
Instead, they carried a complete set of spares, themselves.
Haven't touched it since 1985.
Have you programmed any PIC's etc etc?
I can't see its relevance to run-anywhere processor/platform independence
IOT wont be made of run-anywhere processor independent code.
It might have a generic C library on top, but to talk to the (custom) hardware like as not you will need assembler, and to write the lowest level c library functions.
JC? You mean the messiah?
Because Chinese postal service is state run and massively subsidised.
....our servers are currently underclocked due to lack of wind.....
No, just levelling the playing field.
Euope no longer gets special status so india has to be considered in equivalent terms.
Watch Priti. One hell of a smart cookie.
We will have a deal with India before we have one with the EU...
Some good points raised.
The EU as currently constituted cannot allow free trade without free movement.
Ergo Britain will not get a free trade deal, as free movement is by and large what brexiteers voted against. And they WON.
However that doesn't mean no trade, and I suspect a compromise of 'low tariffs' and 'some movement of some people' will be hammered out.
Carny has signalled low interest rates and that's dumped the pound a fair bit but restored the FTSE.
A low pound might offset EU import tariffs, but the reverse is true. A low pound and an import tariff makes EU goods very expensive. Good for the trade balance. Bad for the ailing Eurozone economies.
The net effect of that will be that British exports are unaffected to the EU, and improve to the rest of the world, whilst the EU loses market share to e.g. the rest of the Anglosphere, which is queuing up to do deals.
French wine even more expensive. New Zealand wine cheaper?
The real answer is of course that the doom and gloom forecasts were based on a lot of assumptions, most of which are imponderable.
What happens next depends on how we proceed, far more than the fact of exit. And whether the considerable increase in the ability to act politically independently, is used wisely or not.
In a flat dive, a Sopwith Camel could got supersonic.
Er no. WE had to wait for WWII before manned aircraft were - if not going supersonic - at least getting close enough to destroy themselves. There is anecdotal evidence that maybe a late model spitfire or a tempest may have exceeded the sound barrier and lived to tell the tale, but no one really knows.
While a plane could be designed to handle more (including heat produced), it could also become heavier, losing some advantages.
Scale is then your friend.
A carbon fibre 3 ft wingspan jet could probably handle 50g+
WE are already at te stage where in terms of air combat, missiles have the edge over manned fighters Purely in terms of 'G'
Give them wings, and more fuel, and an AI equipped missile is simply unbeatable,
However all that does, is mean you send over unmanned AI equipped bombers with mach 17 AI equipped air to ground missiles.
I'll let you into a secret. A mounted knight is no match for a machine gun
I played a flight sim in a camel and shot down an ME109
Very manoeuvrable, is a camel.
Mmm,. And of course when the enemy ha AI, you just fight the fight in virtual reality.
However that's not the really alarming or exciting thing. Its just how much AI you can pack into a small computer.
That means a $500 autonomous drone could in theory be set loose to - well - assassinate someone.
And you might never know who was behind it.
It scuttles into a corner, plugs itself into the nearest USB socket charges itself up, connects to the internet (its INSIDE the firewall now) and looks like a USB flash drive, uploads anything useful, gets fresh orders, then extends legs and scuttles around before shooting a poison dart into an ankle.
The Apple I-Spy (lethal upgrade)
It's absolutely certain that what they say you are going to vote for is not going to be the same thing as what you get after you have voted.
I think that anyone who isn’t 17 years old and terminally stupid gets that.
IN the end the question was 'do you want an uncertain future inside, or an uncertain future outside the EU with less, or more control over the politicians who will, after they have exhausted every other alternative, finally hit upon if not the right thing, something that doesn't result in the total destruction of our nation'?
After due consideration, looking at the complete and utter mess the EU has made of trade deals with anyone but itself, the Euro disaster, the Debt and banking disaster, the migrant disaster, people decided that actually perhaps we were better off alone. The lifeboat may be smaller, but it isn’t sinking.
It was a finely balanced decision, taken with far less data than necessary to make an informed decision either way. Welcome to the real world. The point is that Euroscepticism had reached a point at which the conflict was more damaging than the resolution would be, either way.
So a binary decision had to be taken. The status quo was unstable. Arguing over whether it was the 'right' or 'wrong' decision is in the end pointless. No one knows. Democracy, British style was developed not to give direction of the country to its peole, but to ensure that whichever set of oligarchs had the reins, did not have absolute power. Because getting out from under people who have absolute power is bloody revolution, beheaded kings, destruction of property, and and decades of bitterness that last longer then the memory of what the quarrel was all about.
It was agreed that in the end, its less a matter of who wins, than minimising the destruction of a bloody conflict, and to this end we had, a parliamentary democracy. Until we (almost) handed that power to Brussels.
AS it is, it will be a little bloody, and will result in some destruction of wealth.
But it is a reassertion of the fundamental principle of British democracy, that you can't ignore the feelings of the little people forever, even if they are totally wrong about everything, they still need to be listened to. Or they will kick you in the nuts. After all, they have very little to lose. Except the feeling that the place they were born, and the community they were born in, belongs to them.
what happens is we are out with no deal.
and can charge WTO tarriffs in European imports.
So boosting UK economy.
designed in bombay and built in kolkotta
who taught you to hate your country?
Perhaps you should leave it.
the point was about cars made in Britain, not car companies owned by pension funds
I dont think negotiations with the EU CAN last more than 2 years unless everybody in the EU wants them to.
And the signs are that a quick divorce is what they want.
as opposed to 56mph?
Have you told NIssan and Toyota and Jaguar that? To name but three.
There seems to be an entire industry growing around spouting Brexit bollocks.
Well there you go, it's a new employment opportunity!
German cars would become more reassuringly expensive.
And correspondingly rare.
Heck Jaguar could reverse engineer an Audi..
Anyone who thought good would come five days after the vote had seriously not understood things. On the optimistic scenarios, then maybe in five or ten years. Possibly. Perhaps.
But lots of good stuff is happening:
Cameron is toast,
Corbyn has revealed what sort of swine he really is
Labour is toast.
We get to see Farage hammering it to the EU apparatchiks, and them revealing what swine they are too.
We get to see Scotland grovelling to the EU, and being told to eff off.
We get to see BBC 'experts' being wrong, then wrong again, and finally completely wrong.
And to cap it all there is the possibility the whole EU itself could implode.
Bob Geldof will never be taken seriously again.
It's like a massive episode of 'Little Europe' - 'The people say 'Noooowooo''
The gift that keeps on giving.
So nothing to do with brexit at all.
It's what a Britain, free of EU restrictions, chooses to do with it.
Business will go where the conditions allow them to profit.
A low pound, less restrictions on operations, tacit acceptance of unregulated hosting, access to a skilled labour force, easy work permits on demand for 'trusted' firms, could create a massive IT boom
Or different arrangements could wreck it,
Brexit, I hope, is done and dusted.
The debate begins. What now?
Don't panic, FX is normalising.
If the powers that be can make us without damaging their own interests, yes.
Pour encourager, les autres
HOWEVER if - and is a big IF - I read this aright THEN TPTB are not a monolithic tinfoil hat illuminati conspiracy.
Just a loose alliance of various factions that have done well out of a powerful EU and centralised unaccountable power in general.
City financial institutions
The International Left
The Ecological lobbies.
The Meeja, especially that which gets huge dollops of cash from governments
The Academic community
The Public sector
Now, the first three finance everything by and large. And its not in their interests to see markets collapsing wild currency fluctuations and banks put at risk.
And that I trow, is why Gideon and Mark have been quiet, and have meekly indicated their determination to Do The Stability thing.
The rest are more, or less dependent on that gravy train. And they have failed to deliver a meek compliant population to the the first three.
They are desperately trying to fix that, because they know that if they fail that is the end of their usefulness to the top 3.
And their jobs.
The ones near the bottom will survive stripped down, so they may be the first to break ranks.
But the ones in the middle have nothing to lose and everything to gain by all out massive no holds barred propaganda warfare.
They have shown themselves to be very scared and unbelievably vicious.
I have an EU wife and child.
That sucks. Its that a treatable condition.?..I had a ghastly wife, but she was human.
If they actually required a majority, I doubt we would get any MPs elected at all.
I think you should get a Nobel Peece prize for that.
After all how many wars are NOT started by politicians?
WE have been getting this wrong. To ensure peace in Europe, we dont need to get rid of the nation state, but the politicians!
Stands to reeson dunnit?
And lets face it, the bigger the nation state, the bigger a war you can have! Look at Iraq. One Hell of a fine big Halliburton shaped war! Plenty of money to be made supplying the army with the tools of the trade..
World peace achieved by abolishing the USA and the EU and all politicians!
you know it makes sense.
My guess is that after extensive negotiations we will end up with a worst deal than we have now
Of course we will. the price of 350m a whatever and unlimited Latvians serving you Starbucks overpriced pathetic excuse for coffee, was for free trade.
Since we decided in our xenophobic racist way that the game wasn't worth the candle, and the EU brought us nothing else of benefit at all, that's the EUs only bargaining chip.
So we trade under WTO rules same as the rest of the world.
Its no big deal
The fall in the pound already means our exports are better placed than before, and if german cars go up 10%, well buy a Jaguar instead.
"Good car to drive, after a war"
And if the mortgage on your Provençal property just got massive well my heart bleeds for you, you selfish unpatriotic bastards, You could have invested that in a British company,
And if the French repossess it, well there you go, That's the sort of reason we left the EU innit?
Its full of racist xenophobic frogs and krauts after all.
No doubt you'll go to that country where politicians always tell the truth, and always follow through with manifesto pledges.
That would be where, exactly?
Zimbabwe. It never pretended to be anything other than naked greed, homophobia, political expedience, self interest and racism.
He said he would take all the land from white farmers and give it to black men, and that is exactly what he did.
"Democracy is one man, one vote, and I am that man"
Its pretty easy to check for valid postcodes and even addresses - after all this is information in the public domain, but I am less clear that there is central electoral roll, or if the software exists to consult it in the time available since the issue arose.
Therefore I surmise that '65,000 fraudulent entries have been detected' means little more than what it say. There may be 3 million, but we have only identified 65,000 to date'
And I cannot believe that this is even receiving serious consideration. Project fear seems to have struck home completely but only in about one third of the population.
WE are leaving the EU. Like most political decisions that make a difference it's a step into the unknown. Life is not all gay marriages and foxhunting. I dont recall us having a referendum on going to war in Iraq. Project fear worked then on a cowed house of commons. The people were not consulted.
AS with any such a decision, you make it to the best of your ability with the information you have, and if that information is not supplied then the decision will be made in relative ignorance. However having made it, you must move on and make the best of it.
The unbelievable whining and spilt milk toys out of pram and sheer vindictive nastiness being levelled by the people who 'lost' is something more disgusting and contemptible than anything Mr Farage or Mr Johnson might have said.
Politics has reached a new low. And the only thing to be amused by, is the sight of the two main political parties tearing themselves apart and the European Union casting around for scapegoats, and blaming each other, whilst being agreed that punitive terms of a totally irrational nature be applied to Britain for daring to desire self determination.
If nothing else we have learnt just how rotten and corrupt the political system is, with the veil of virtue signalling moral high ground being ripped from the emperors naked torso, and the ugly sight of naked self interest ambition and greed being revealed in all its sordid mediocrity.
"Trust us, we are the experts?"
Expert Godfathers, possibly.
And hate crime on the rise. Who would have thunk it.
"IN my heart are two wolves, one is dark and the other is light,and they are always at war"
"But which one will win Oh great Shaman?"
"Whichever one I feed..."
Irrespective of who started it, this has been a campaign of utter violent hatred. Mostly from the 'remain' camp. who have been absolutely unrelenting in their attack on the morals, motives and intelligence of anyone who voiced concern about the EU.
Those that live by the sword, die by the sword.
Those the sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
Any pleas for an actual reasonable rational approach or even a clear simple description of how the EU actually works have been met with scorn, derision sound bytes and obfuscation. In truth one suspects that no one actually KNOWS how the EU works, and the most telling comment I have had amounted to 'its all very complicated, too much for your pretty little head which is why we need experts like me to tell you how to vote'. Yeah, and you wont come in my mouth either, and you will still love me in the morning, and the cheque will be in the post too.
Quis custodies custodiet
As an engineer something that is so complicated that it cant be described, cant be analysed and is unreliable and unpredictable and not fit for purpose.
So I voted to leave it. This is no way to run a continent, and its failed to deal with a debt crisis, a migrant crisis, and its failed to deal with a plebiscite by making it perfectly clear why it was a better solution than brexit.
Perhaps it is, but project fear and relentless ad hominem attacks, appeals to authority and countless straw men just piss me right off. I wanted information, what I got was agitprop.
And I am afraid the only statement that seemed to be reasonably true was from the Leave campaign that said 'if you want information all you will get is agitprop'.
And now the final indignity, that after we have had the bloody thing, serried ranks of people who seem to have even less conscience than they have honour, are trying to either reverse the result, or ensure that it is a total failure, simply so that they can say 'I told you so'.
If that is the quality of people who support the EU., I dont care if I lose my entire life savings. I would rather be a pauper outside of such a corrupt and dark club, than be a member.
Feed the dark wolf if you must, and let him win, but you will live to regret it.
1984 was supposed to be a warning, not a bloody instructional manual.
Of course, once exited that will effectively prevent us from ever going back in, since the petitions calls for a referendum that is about as much uses as write only memory
After all, if 66% of 72% is achievable and on the cards, you dont need a bloody referendum in the first place
'Only the Educated can vote on this'
That's from the same people who regularly scream, 'elitists' at anyone who says that when its not what they want to hear...
Anyway I have it on impeccable authority that the code that is subverting this is known as :
'THE VIOLENT ELIZABETH BOT';
What happened to "smash the state!" , " revolution! ", " redistribute the wealth!" etc
That was fine until the EU started funding them.
What a superb example of the unadulterated bigotry you are so quick to accuse others of.
interersting to analyse your post.
'they' are ,'stupid', 'believed lies' and 'shouldn't have been allowed to interfere with the proper way of things'
a more heartfelt cry for undemocratic fascism would be hard to find.
Oh, hang on wasn't that one of the 'lies' the leavers were telling about the EU?
yeah. it's the death knell of the hypocritical virtue signalling politically correct Left.
And the Labour party.
'Voters defied warnings that a Leave vote would "destroy Western political civilisation", '
No. Voters voted to precisely destroy Western political civilisation
Everyone is BORED with whinging minging neo-marxists who in 60 years have failed to solve a single problem
Look at the comments. Emotional nonsense. From people who have bought into the Lefts Narrative.
Or are cynically using it to protect their privilege in an EU sponsored lifetstyle
Hanseatic league perhaps?
All economists are nearly always wrong because they have learnt the theories of Marx and Keynes. Which were approximately true during a brief phase of industrial expansion, but have ceased to be true for the last 15 years or so.
The Austrian school have somewhat better models, but they are not taught at the LSE.
OTOH if Geldof is in, I am out.
Life is so complicated
I do have a large heatsink stapled to my head to cool my brain down a bit - does that count?
Dunno, if its got a CPU and an arithmetic processing unit bolted to it, and is running the right software, I guess it does?
With one massive total exception.
WE can vote out a British government. every 5 years or less.
WE cant vote out the EU leadership. Ever.
All power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Always keep ahold of Nurse
For fear of something even worse.
Yeah, some of us grew up tho.