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6 posts • joined 13 Jun 2011

AMD Llano vs Intel Sandy Bridge

msroadkill

Not having read HP specs, it seems the intel is much heavier from the performance per pound bars. If so, can only be explained by bigger batteries methinks.

A choice between ~30% better cpu vs kick ass battery life (no gpu discrete), lighter & 200% better graphics. I know which I & I suspect most would prefer.

Integrated usb 3 is a big plus w/ amd chipsets too.

Assuming 500 vs 630 pounds is right - some say its a pittance over life of the unit, 2 years is not uncommon for these - when you consider the future worth of that money, its a big chunk of your next , way cheaper & better mobile device.

Due to a shortage & huge demand, amd prices are at a premium. expect lower once sorted.

Not sure what ram used but NB - going from ~1333 ram to ~1600 ddr3 pays huge graphics dividends. If you add a similar graphics radeon discrete GPU, expect a 75% graphics boost on amd APUs. There is no dual gpu mode for intel.

intels mantra about grunt cpus is getting as tired as muscle cars. Vast majority could do w/ a 10 yr old cpu for what they do - not so w/ graphics & power consumption tho. We are at a watershed where AMD/ATI can make intel dance to their tune cos no way intel can compete w/ ati graphics for years.

If, as you say, you are smart enough to need cpu grunt on a mobile, u should be smart enough to offload it to a server on the cloud or at the office.

AMD may be a bit slower on cpu, but intel grinds to a halt on some apps on its igp. I know which would annoy me most.

Wasnt there an obscure scandal about intels igp cheating at graphics conversions - they are lossy & crappy?

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AMD targets tablets and cloudbooks in Intel showdown

msroadkill

hope its ok to link - v on topic

http://blogs.forbes.com/rogerkay/2011/06/13/amd-fires-off-second-salvo/

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msroadkill

good thinking

"supplementing or replacing x86 cores in Fusion with ARM. That would still leave AMD owning most of the silicon on the die. Almost all Intel's value is the x86 core (no one willingly chooses an Intel GPU) so its not as attractive an option. AMD have more choices here -> can adapt faster."

good thinking - x86 drinks power i hear. Dont abandon it, but use it as little as possible.

My posts elsewhere here, fancy similar logic for servers. AMD cloud servers w/ 2 x cpu & 8 x gpu on 1 die, running open cl for the grunt jobs. The x86 cores act as traffic policemen & run legacy code.

Power is a big problem for these farms. A new approach is needed.

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msroadkill

brazos is 40nm - ok but not great - same as amd GPUs, about to go 28nm - brazos next?

brazos is 40nm - ok but not great - same as amd GPUs, about to go 28nm - brazos next?

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msroadkill

if thats brazos vs current similar intel offerings, thats not what I heard.

GMA? not sure? but if thats brazos vs current similar intel offerings, thats not what I heard. Yes, the x86 benchys are worse, but the overall user experience is way better.

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msroadkill

general amd stuff

I just bought AMD shares, minutes before reading this.

intelligent story & comments.

"vital that Intel and AMD make the shift, tapping into their entrenched positions in PCs, while refusing to be dragged down by the legacy."

well put. Odd for me to a bit negative, but amd especially so cos of their discrete gpuS. Fusion will slaughter the low end gpu business.

We all seem agreed on the merits of fusion, now if only AMD could do decent cloud servers. Thats where the money is.

How about a dual cpuS w/ 8 gpuS fused in, running open gl server apps.

As another said, brazos is a good product and selling now. Its 40nm, same as the discrete gpuS, which are due to shift to 28nm (brazos next?).

Hope it wasnt here I read it, but they got ~124 design wins for brazos & 145 for llano. Sounds impressive anyway.

AMD dont care much about the market, the real action is stealing share from intel, or new value conscious markets (india/china etc)

I read 400 smart phones or 120 tablets = 1 new server on the cloud.

Also good money in emerging markets tho, & AMD can kick ass.

Just a guess, but a hybrid lap/desk top llano which can handle a few hours of power outtage may sell well in 3rd world etc.

SB seems foolish to me. Who would want a grunt CPU & crap integrated graphics? Those guys go the discrete route.Hope I dont sound a shill. Just sayin

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