Posts by Anonymous Coward 101

Re: The last time I checked

I agree the claim was overblown, but Nokia still sell loads of their S40 based phones around the world. I suppose other mass market manufacturers sell loads of Java based phones as well.

Re: One of two COOs

Which COO did Saddam invade?

COO 8.

Re: I think the new plan is...

I don't know why they haven't done this before. Remember, Nokia get money from >Apple< with their patents.

Re: Excellent

'Not saying that restructuring is going to defineatlly save them but how does a company that turns $2.8 billion revenue in a single quarter just fail?'

By spending more than $2.8 billion every quarter.

Re: Surely...

My understanding was that Android was going to be a Blackberry clone originally, until the iPhone arrived.

I look at Nokia more in sorrow than in anger. They clearly failed to turn Symbian into something pleasant to use in a timely manner - and don't tell me 'you can do more with Symbian'. The stock browser on the N8, released in the second half of 2010, was still inferior to that of the browser in the first iPhone.

Re: "Volume matters to a certain extent, but ultimately it's all about profit."

"It's true that Symbian sales were slowing, but it's also true they dropped off a cliff post Feb11."

Market share was dropping off a cliff in the six months previous to Feb11. Unit sales of Nokia smartphones increased, but only because smartphone sales in general were exploding. When the smartphone market only increased by a small percentage in the first quarter of 2011, Nokia smartphone sales would have utterly collapsed anyway.

Re: Flops mission is complete.

Nobody has explained why Nokia would sell MS their patents and other IP on the cheap. It's just a baseless assertion. And the idea that MS would go out of it's way to kill Symbian and MeeGo strains credulity. They would kill iOS and Android in a heartbeat, but not a dying OS or a non-existant one.

Re: Flops mission is complete.

OK - this is what I don't get.

Elop might be (or might not be ) incompetent, but what does Microsoft have to gain by destroying Nokia? I can see they have much to lose if Nokia die, because they are actually trying to market Windows Phone, unlike HTC and Samsung who are clearly only interested in Android.

Is it so that they can bankrupt them and get their patents on the cheap? But why would any liquidator not sell them to the highest bidder?

Is it so Microsoft could get rid of Symbian and MeeGo? Don't make me laugh. The one was dying and the other didn't exist at the point of Elop's takeover.

And why would Elop risk serious jail time by deliberately ruining a company he was running? I mean, he was extremely rich before taking over Nokia. Why would he risk it all by deliberately ruining them? So he could cackle in an evil manner?

If someone can explain - using facts and logic - how Microsoft stand to gain by Nokia's demise, I'll be glad to hear it.

"Where's the incentive for Microsoft to deliver something decent?"

Because if they are not decent, people will buy Android and iOS products instead?

Re: N900

Nokia's actions between 2007 and 2010 amounted to self-defilement. For example, the premium priced N97 in 2009 had the same cheap hardware as the mid-priced 5800 from 2008. This was jaw-droppingly arrogant and suggested Nokia thought their customers were fools.

They had the time and the money to either tart up Symbian and get Maemo up to speed. They could have had the N9 and the later versions of Symbian out by 2010, certainly. They didn't. Customers and developers moved on.

Re: Sad

"Anyone holding shares now is nuts."

Dunno. If Nokia nail it with new Windows 8 devices that share price will multiply. The shares can be compared to lottery tickets now.